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 Christianity Etc › Re: Twelve Complex Processes In Sexual Reproduction Debunk The Theory Of Evolution by Truthdefender66: 2:54am On Nov 21, 2019 |
Abdulgaffar22:Fantastic evidence 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Let All The Evolutionists Come And See Where The Problems Really Lie by Truthdefender66(op): 11:07pm On Nov 04, 2019*. Modified: 12:39am On Nov 05, 2019 |
@Blackjewelry, rottennaija, LordReed and kkins25. See below irrefutable evidence for the existence of God Premise 1: Atheism and theism cannot both be false. If one is false, then the other must be true because they are DIRECTLY OPPOSITE to each other. Of course if the statement "Nigeria is not part of Africa" is false, then the statement "Nigeria is part of Africa" must be true Premise 2: But atheism is false because it is self contradictory. See the reason below; According to atheism; Lifeless and physical universe cannot SEE, yet creatures that can SEE later emerged from the same very universe without any external influence. Lifeless and physical universe cannot HEAR, yet creatures that can HEAR later emerged from the same very universe without any external influence. Lifeless and physical universe has NO KNOWLEDGE about ITSELF yet creatures that have KNOWLEDGE about the universe later emerged from the same very universe without any external influence. Lifeless and physical universe is DUMB, yet creatures that can TALK and SPEAK over six thousands different languages later emerged from the same very universe without any external influence. Lifeless and physical universe cannot THINK, yet creatures that can THINK later emerged from the same very universe without any external influence. Lifeless and physical universe cannot MOVE voluntarily and controllably, yet creatures that can MOVE voluntarily and controllably later emerged from the same very universe without any external influence. Lifeless and physical universe is not INTELLIGENT, yet creatures that are INTELLIGENT later emerged from the same very universe without any external influence. According to atheism, lifeless and physical universe completely lack some certain FEATURES (like ability to see, ability to hear, ability to speak, ability to think, ability to know etc). But the same very FEATURES were later emerged from the same very universe without any external influence. This is self contradictory because if the universe completely lack some certain features, then how can universe later acquire those features all by itself without any external influence ? And if it can acquire it all by itself without any external influence, then those features are intrinsic properties of the universe. So the universe doesn't completely lack those features. Either of the ways you view it, atheism is self contradictory. Evolutionary process operating for billions of years cannot solve the problem of self contradiction inherent in atheism because irrespective of the process you want to use and irrespective of the time it would take, you can never give to your self what you doesn't have. You have to receive it from an external agent. Conclusion; theism must be true because atheism is false due to its self contradictory nature. Therefore, God must actually exist. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Let All The Evolutionists Come And See Where The Problems Really Lie by Truthdefender66(op): 3:10am On Nov 04, 2019 |
budaatum:Pls what do you actually believe ? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Let All The Evolutionists Come And See Where The Problems Really Lie by Truthdefender66(op): 2:43am On Nov 04, 2019*. Modified: 3:28am On Nov 04, 2019 |
@ Blakjewelry, LordReed, rottennaija, budaatum Let me give you my final evidence for the existence of God. It is now left for you to either accept it or reject it. See the evidence below If an engineer want to construct and assemble an engine of a car by following a set of information given in a particular manual, then he has to carry out the following processes listed below; 1. He has to read the information. 2. He has to interpret what he has read 3. He has to implement his interpretation by performing some active and specific movements towards the construction and assembling of the car engine. Now consider the following premises of argument Premise 1; From our experience as intelligent human being, we know that the process of reading an information, interpreting it and then implementing the interpretation to construct and assemble the different parts of any complex system (like an engine of a car) is a work of intelligence. Premise 2; During embryonic development, the information on the DNA template is usually read, interpreted and implemented to construct and assemble different parts of human body from a very tiny ball of cell called zygote Premise 3; Therefore, the transformation of a very tiny zygote into a beautiful new born baby all by itself during embryonic development is definitely the work of intelligence (follow from premise 1 and premise 2). Premise 4; But intelligence cannot be the owner of itself; it must be owned by an intelligent being Premise 5; Hence, there is intelligent being behind the transformation of a very tiny ball of cell called zygote into a beautiful new born baby during embryonic development. It is this very intelligent being that many people described as God Please for the sake of sincerity, which of the five premises stated above is wrong and explain the reason why it is wrong. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Let All The Evolutionists Come And See Where The Problems Really Lie by Truthdefender66(op): 3:49pm On Nov 03, 2019 |
rottennaija:There is one important thing you have left behind. What really make us distinct from all other animals ? What really create our ability to acquire all those scientific knowledge you made mention of ? Without going far, the obvious answer lies in the fact that we have developed brain. But what really make up our brain ? Without any iota of doubt it is made up of matter ARRANGED IN A PARTICULAR WAY. It is this "VERY ARRANGEMENT" that make the brain different from all other organs that exist in the biological world. Now this is my question; Do you think a "MERE ARRANGEMENT OF UNCONCIOUS MATTER" in a particular way is enough to account for all the MIRACULOUS FUNCTIONS (like seeing, hearing, speaking, smelling, thinking, learning, feelings, voluntary moving etc) performed by the brain ? Is it possible for such a brain that designed an aeroplane and the most intelligent computer to arise by ACCIDENT without being designed by someone ? Can you give an example of how an ACCIDENT can give rise to INTELLIGENCE from our day to day experience in the physical world ? Of course, if the human brain did not have beginning, then there is no need for us to be asking all these question. But it does have the beginning. Therefore, it must have a beginner that brought it into existence. So our advance in our scientific knowledge can never erase our intuitive knowledge that God actually exist. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Let All The Evolutionists Come And See Where The Problems Really Lie by Truthdefender66(op): 3:47pm On Nov 03, 2019 |
LordReed:Ensatina salamander species have no lungs because lungs is not one of the vital systems that make up their own body plan Their body was planned in such a way that they breathe by cutaneous respiration rather than pulmonary respiration. That is to say, instead of breathing through their lungs, they breathe through their moist skin and through the tissues lining their mouth. What makes this cutaneous respiration to be possible is the BROAD NETWORK OF CUTANEOUS CAPILLARIES that facilitates gas exchange between their MOIST skin and their environment. Without "the broad network of cutaneous capillaries" situated very close to their skin, this type of respiration would be impossible. Therefore, it is this very "broad network of cutaneous capillaries" situated very close to their moist skin that compensated for the absence of lungs in their body plan. So here are two different body plans ; one body plan uses "lungs" as the respiratory organ while another body plan uses "broad network of cutaneous capillaries" situated very close to the skin as the respiratory organ. But one of the major problem I am adressing in this post is how to SWITCH from one body plan to another body plan by gradual darwinian evolution that has no purpose and direction ? For example, if one body plan ( without lungs) was to evolve into another body plan (with lungs), many intelligent and simultaneous adjustments must be effected in a single generation; 1. Lungs must came to exist 2. Pulmonary artery that will carry the oxygenated blood from the new lungs to the heart must came to exist. 3. Pulmonary vein that will carry the deoxygented blood from the heart back to the new lungs must came to exist 4. The heart itself has to be modified to resume its new function of pumping the oxygenated blood from the lungs. 5. The nervous system that will control the new lungs and the modified heart must be adjusted to also perform its new function. 6. Even the volume of the thoracic cavity, to provide a space for the new lungs, has to be changed. These are the most obvious adjustments ( talkless of the hidden ones) that must be effected in a single generation if the new body plan ( i:e one with lungs) must survive to exist. Now tell us, how "all these intelligent and simultaneous adjustments that must be effected in a single generation" can be accomplished by unintelligent gradual evolution over millions of years ? Honestly, what we observed in CAMBRIAN EXPLOSION (i:e the biology's big bang) is enough to prove that unintelligent gradual evolution of new body plan from the old body plan through slight modifications over millions of years is far away from the truth. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Let All The Evolutionists Come And See Where The Problems Really Lie by Truthdefender66(op): 4:25am On Nov 03, 2019 |
angelEmade:My friend you're perfectly correct. Given enough time, ordinary stone can break the rule and norm of gravity and start flying in the air all by itself. Even given enough time, a tornado can assemble the pieces of car engine parts left in a backyard and leave the engine in a state of perfect working condition. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Let All The Evolutionists Come And See Where The Problems Really Lie by Truthdefender66(op): 4:21am On Nov 03, 2019 |
Blakjewelry:But acquired traits cannot be transferred from parents to their offspring. Besides, how does this explanation of yours prove that evolution of a new body plan from old body plan is possible ? How does this explanation resolve the contradiction between the theory of gradual evolution and the fact of Cambrian explosion ? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Let All The Evolutionists Come And See Where The Problems Really Lie by Truthdefender66(op): 4:19am On Nov 03, 2019 |
budaatum:What exactly do you want us to infer from this ? That gradual evolution of a new body plan from the old body plan is possible ? That there is no any contradiction between the theory of gradual evolution and the fact of Cambrian explosion ? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Let All The Evolutionists Come And See Where The Problems Really Lie by Truthdefender66(op): 4:17am On Nov 03, 2019 |
rottennaija:Are you now saying the two serious problems explained up there are not real simply because we are yet to physically observe the existence of God ? 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Let All The Evolutionists Come And See Where The Problems Really Lie by Truthdefender66(op): 9:12am On Nov 02, 2019*. Modified: 1:34am On Nov 13, 2019 |
Consider the following groups of animals 1. Protozoans – single-celled organisms such as amoebas and paramecia. 2. Annelids – earthworms, leeches. 3. Echinoderms – starfish, sea urchins, sea cucumbers. 4. Mollusks – snails, octopi, squid, snails 5. Arthropods – insects, spiders, crustaceans such as shrimp, crabs, lobsters. 6. Fishes – tilapia, sharks 7. Amphibians – frogs, toads 8. Reptiles – lizards, crocodiles 9. Birds – parrots, eagles 10. Mammals – goats, cows All the ten different groups of animals listed above have DIFFERENT BODY PLANS. A body plan simply describes how different parts (or systems) of an organism are assembled to form the entire SHAPE and SIZE of the organism. A body of an organism usually consists of many vital systems which are structurally and functionally linked together[/b]such that it is impossible for some of these vital systems to be absent without affecting the viability of the organism. According to the theory of evolution, all the different life forms on earth descended from a [b]single common ancestor through slight modifications brought about by mutations and natural selection acting together over a long period of time . Therefore, if this theory of gradual evolution through common descent is true, then one body plan of an animal has to be evolved gradually from another body plan. But the gradual evolution of one body plan into another body plan would face two serious problems: 1. Problem of mutations in the developmental genes which are universally accepted to be extremely disadvantageous. 2. Problem of constructing a series of reasonable intermediate organisms. Now let me explain these two problems one after the other. THE FIRST PROBLEM: Changing from one body plan to another is a MORPHOLOGICAL change which can only be effected by mutations in the developmental gene regulatory networks (that function as integrated circuits during development of embryo from a fertilized egg) All examples of evolution (like virus antibiotic resistance and peppered moth evolution) usually cited by evolutionists are mere BIOCHEMICAL changes which are brought about by mutations in the structural genes. But structural genes tend to have little effect on the development of a body plan. Simply changing a protein here and there by mutations in the structural genes cannot change the entire body plan. For a body plan to morphologically change from old one to a new one, mutations in the developmental genes are not only require but necessary. But as agreed by all scientists, mutations in the developmental genes are extremely disadvantageous because the developing embryo is very sensitive to early developmental mutations . Wallace Arthur, a staunch evolutionist, wrote: "Those genes that control early developmental processes are involved in the establishment of the basic body plan. Mutations in these genes will usually be extremely disadvantageous, and it is conceivable that they are always so." In fact, Wikipedia submits as follows; " The development of a fertilized egg into an adult is a complex and delicate process of interaction between genes and the environment that must be carried out precisely and if there is any alteration in the usual process caused by the absence of a necessary gene or the presence of a different one, it can arrest the normal development.... " All available observational evidence establishes that developmental Gene regulatory networks ( DGRNs) do not tolerate random perturbations to their basic control logic. Indeed, mutagenesis experiments conducted on the genes present in dGRNs have repeatedly shown that even modest mutation-induced changes to these genes either produce no change in the developmental trajectory of animals (due to pre-programmed buffering or redundancy) or they produce catastrophic (most often, lethal) effects within developing animals. Disrupt the central control nodes, and the developing animal does not shift to a different, viable, stably heritable body plan. Rather, the system crashes, and the developing animal usually dies. As developmental biologist Eric Davidson has noted: There is always an observable consequence if a dGRN subcircuit is interrupted. Since these consequences are always catastrophically bad, flexibility is minimal, and since the subcircuits are all interconnected, the whole network partakes of the quality that there is only one way for things to work. And indeed the embryos of each species develop in only one way." But it is this very mutations in the developmental gene regulatory networks that is required for one body plan to evolve into another body plan. This simply shows that evolution of one body plan into another body plan by developmental gene mutations is impossible. However, evolutionists for decades have been studying mutations in the structural genes which can only deal with how organisms survive as they are (microevolution), and it doesn’t tell us how they got to be the way they are (macroevolution). THE SECOND PROBLEM: Another serious problem facing the gradual evolution of old body plan into a new body plan is how the series of reasonable intermediate organisms can be constructed throughout Along the way, functional organisms must pass through the stage of intermediate forms. But even the functionality of these intermediate organisms transforming from one body plan into another has long puzzled even the most dedicated evolutionists. For example, S. J. Gould, the late Harvard paleontologist, asked; "But how can a series of reasonable intermediates be constructed (during the transformation of the old body plan into a new body plan) ?" In other words, a stage must be reached ( may be half-way) when the significant parts of the old body plan would have been disappeared while the new body plan would be yet to complete. But, at this very stage, the viability of such an intermediate organism would be zero because there is no way for the remnants of the old body plan to harmonize perfectly with the rudiments of the new body plan. When one vital system (like circulatory system) in the old body plan has to be enlarged and modified for effective functioning and perfect incorporation into the new body plan, many other vital systems ( like respiratory system, nervous system, etc) in the old body plan have to be simultaneously enlarged and modified in the required proportion for perfect harmony to take place As you can see, all these intelligent and simultaneous adjustments must take place in a single generation if the new body plan must survive to exist. But if "gradual evolution through slight modifications over many generations that has no purpose and direction" is the rule of the game, then how is it going to be possible to achieve all these intelligent and simultaneous adjustments in a single generation ? If properly understood, these two problems are enough as theoretical evidence to prove that gradual evolution of new body plan from old body plan is impossible. The practical evidence that confirmed this theoretical evidence is the existence of CAMBRIAN EXPLOSION, a term used to describe the relatively short period in the fossil records when almost major animal phyla with different body plans suddenly appeared without any traces of preceding intermediate organisms. Berkeley University’s Professor Philip Johnson describes the open inconsistency between the theory of gradual evolution and the fact of Cambrian explosion by saying, "'Darwinist theory assumes that a species develops within “a triangle of increasingly expanding diversification.” According to this, life began from the first living organism or primitive animal species, diversified increasingly and gave rise to higher categories of biological classification. But animals fossils show us that this triangle actually stands upside-down: Phyla existed all together from the first moment, their numbers declining subsequently.'” As Philip Johnson has said, rather than phyla developing gradually, all phyla appeared at once and the same time, with some of them later becoming extinct. And all these very different life forms appearing suddenly means they were created rather than evolved. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Let All The Evolutionists Come And See Where The Problems Really Lie by Truthdefender66(op): 9:05am On Nov 02, 2019 |
Consider the following groups of animals 1. Protozoans – single-celled organisms such as amoebas and paramecia. 2. Annelids – earthworms, leeches. 3. Echinoderms – starfish, sea urchins, sea cucumbers. 4. Mollusks – snails, octopi, squid, snails 5. Arthropods – insects, spiders, crustaceans such as shrimp, crabs, lobsters. 6. Fishes – tilapia, sharks 7. Amphibians – frogs, toads 8. Reptiles – lizards, crocodiles 9. Birds – parrots, eagles 10. Mammals – goats, cows All the ten different groups of animals listed above have DIFFERENT BODY PLANS. A body plan simply describes how different parts (or systems) of an organism are assembled to form the entire SHAPE and SIZE of the organism. A body of an organism usually consists of many vital systems which are structurally and functionally linked together[/b]such that it is impossible for some of these vital systems to be absent without affecting the viability of the organism. According to the theory of evolution, all the different life forms on earth descended from a [b]single common ancestor through slight modifications brought about by mutations and natural selection acting together over a long period of time . Therefore, if this theory of gradual evolution through common descent is true, then one body plan of an animal has to be evolved gradually from another body plan. But the gradual evolution of one body plan into another body plan would face two serious problems: 1. Problem of mutations in the developmental genes which are universally accepted to be extremely disadvantageous. 2. Problem of constructing a series of reasonable intermediate organisms. Now let me explain these two problems one after the other. THE FIRST PROBLEM: Changing from one body plan to another is a MORPHOLOGICAL change which can only be effected by mutations in the developmental genes (i:e the genes that control the development of embryo from a single fertilized egg). All examples of evolution (like virus antibiotic resistance and peppered moth evolution) usually cited by evolutionists are mere BIOCHEMICAL changes which are brought about by mutations in the structural genes. But structural genes tend to have little effect on the development of a body plan. Simply changing a protein here and there by mutations in the structural genes cannot change the entire body plan. For a body plan to morphologically change from old one to a new one, mutations in the developmental genes are not only require but necessary. But as agreed by all scientists, mutations in the developmental genes are extremely disadvantageous because the developing embryo is very sensitive to early developmental mutations . Wallace Arthur, a staunch evolutionist, wrote: "Those genes that control early developmental processes are involved in the establishment of the basic body plan. Mutations in these genes will usually be extremely disadvantageous, and it is conceivable that they are always so." In fact, Wikipedia submits as follows; " The development of a fertilized egg into an adult is a complex and delicate process of interaction between genes and the environment that must be carried out precisely and if there is any alteration in the usual process caused by the absence of a necessary gene or the presence of a different one, it can arrest the normal development.... " But it is this very mutations in the developmental genes that is required for one body plan to evolve into another body plan. This simply shows that evolution of one body plan into another body plan by developmental gene mutations is impossible. However, evolutionists for decades have been studying mutations in the structural genes which can only deal with how organisms survive as they are (microevolution), and it doesn’t tell us how they got to be the way they are (macroevolution). THE SECOND PROBLEM: Another serious problem facing the gradual evolution of old body plan into a new body plan is how the series of reasonable intermediate organisms can be constructed throughout Along the way, functional organisms must pass through the stage of intermediate forms. But even the functionality of these intermediate organisms transforming from one body plan into another has long puzzled even the most dedicated evolutionists. For example, S. J. Gould, the late Harvard paleontologist, asked; "But how can a series of reasonable intermediates be constructed (during the transformation of the old body plan into a new body plan) ?" In other words, a stage must be reached ( may be half-way) when the significant parts of the old body plan would have been disappeared while the new body plan would be yet to complete. But, at this very stage, the viability of such an intermediate organism would be zero because there is no way for the remnants of the old body plan to harmonize perfectly with the rudiments of the new body plan. When one vital system (like circulatory system) in the old body plan has to be enlarged and modified for effective functioning and perfect incorporation into the new body plan, many other vital systems ( like respiratory system, nervous system, etc) in the old body plan have to be simultaneously enlarged and modified in the required proportion for perfect harmony to take place As you can see, all these intelligent and simultaneous adjustments must take place in a single generation if the new body plan must survive to exist. But if "gradual evolution through slight modifications over many generations that has no purpose and direction" is the rule of the game, then how is it going to be possible to achieve all these intelligent and simultaneous adjustments in a single generation ? If properly understood, these two problems are enough as theoretical evidence to prove that gradual evolution of new body plan from old body plan is impossible. The practical evidence that confirmed this theoretical evidence is the existence of CAMBRIAN EXPLOSION, a term used to describe the relatively short period in the fossil records when almost major animal phyla with different body plans suddenly appeared without any traces of preceding intermediate organisms. Berkeley University’s Professor Philip Johnson describes the open inconsistency between the theory of gradual evolution and the fact of Cambrian explosion by saying, "'Darwinist theory assumes that a species develops within “a triangle of increasingly expanding diversification.” According to this, life began from the first living organism or primitive animal species, diversified increasingly and gave rise to higher categories of biological classification. But animals fossils show us that this triangle actually stands upside-down: Phyla existed all together from the first moment, their numbers declining subsequently.'” As Philip Johnson has said, rather than phyla developing gradually, all phyla appeared at once and the same time, with some of them later becoming extinct. And all these very different life forms appearing suddenly means they were created rather than evolved. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Must We Test For The Existence Of God In The Science Laboratory ? by Truthdefender66(op): 5:12am On Oct 27, 2019*. Modified: 7:32am On Oct 27, 2019 |
See below what evolutionary scientists say about construction and shaping of human brain during embryonic development; "The making of the human brain from the tip of a 3 millimeter neural tube is a marvel of biological engineering. To arrive at the more than 100 billion neurons that are the normal complement of a newborn baby, the brain must grow at the rate of about 250,000 nerve cells per minute, on average, throughout the course of pregnancy. But it is not the volume of growth alone that makes the production of a human brain staggering to consider. The great number of functions that the brain reliably carries out and the specificity with which these are assigned to one or another type of cell or small location in the whole assembly are stunning in their complexity; yet the feat of growing a human brain occurs in hundreds of millions of individuals each year. The brain's 100 trillion or so interconnections provide the physical basis for its speed and sophistication. But how is such an intricate network constructed in the first place? Does the genetic material of the fertilized egg already contain a full set of building specifications for the human brain, in which every cell is created as a minute increment in the overall design? And if the set of instructions is indeed so closed and specific, how could chance or random mutations or the influence of the environment have played a role—as they so evidently have done and continue to do—in the emergence of the first human brains? From these questions, it is easy to see that any scientific account of the development of the human brain has to meet a formidable challenge. For such an account must not only explain a sequence of development of great orderliness and efficacy but also allow room for the creative effects of chance—in the form of random mutations and the ensuing natural selection—that have led to the propagation of this particular form of brain in the first place." Here is the reference; https://googleweblight.com/i?u=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK234146/&hl=en-NG See how they have already assume that our brain was created by evolutionary process of chance (mutations) through natural selection despite the fact that they were using words and phrases which implies intelligent design of human brain We are told that brain must grow at the rate of about 250,000 nerve cells per minute. By calculation, this implies that over 4,000 nerve cells are created in one second during embryonic development. See the unimaginable speed at which the nerve cells are created; over 4000 nerve cells per one second. Yet according to our evolutionary scientists, this speed was achieved by process of chance despite their admission that this is a marvel of biological engineering. Can a process of chance produce a marvel of engineering in our technological world ? No, it is impossible. But, according to evolutionary scientists, this is possible in the biological world simply because they don't to want to accept that there is another intelligence which is greater than that of human being. Instead of allowing the theory of evolution to be led by the evidence, it is the evidence that is now being led by the theory. So no matter how the evidence for intelligent design abound in the biological world, evolutionary process of chance must surely and always be the correct answer. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Must We Test For The Existence Of God In The Science Laboratory ? by Truthdefender66(op): 9:12am On Oct 26, 2019*. Modified: 10:02am On Oct 26, 2019 |
For easy understanding, consider the following premises. Premise 1; From our experience as intelligent human being we know that the process of reading an information, interpreting an information and implementing an information to construct and assemble the different parts of any system is a work of intelligence. Premise 2; During embryonic development, the information on the DNA template is usually read, interpreted and implemented to construct and assemble different parts of animal body. Premise 3; Therefore, the transformation of a very tiny single ball of cell (known as zygote) into a new born baby during embryonic development is definitely the work of intelligence. Premise 4; But intelligence cannot be the owner of itself; it must be owned by an intelligent being Premise 5; Hence, there is intelligent being behind the transformation of a very tiny zygote into a new born baby during embryonic development Please for the sake of sincerity, which of the five premises stated above is wrong and explain the reason why it is wrong. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Must We Test For The Existence Of God In The Science Laboratory ? by Truthdefender66(op): 10:06pm On Oct 25, 2019*. Modified: 5:21am On Oct 26, 2019 |
hakeem4:Honestly, you have seriously overlooked the major point of my argument which simply says "construction and assembling of different parts of a complex system(like a car engine or human body ) by FOLLOWING SOME KIND OF INFORMATION" is a work of intelligence because; 1. It would require you to READ the information. 2. It would require you to INTERPRET what you have read. 3. It would require you to IMPLEMENT your interpretation by performing some kind of active and specific movements. And we know from experience that these three processes ( reading, interpreting and implementing an information) can only originate from an intelligent mind. That is to say, the very act of reading, interpreting and implementing the information on the DNA template to construct and assemble the different parts of animal body during embryonic development is definitely the work of intelligence. So this is the basis of my argument. It is NOT the issue of "complexity" as you think but the issue of " reading, interpreting and implementing an information" to create that complexity. Hope you understand it now ? So it has nothing to do with evolution or complexity of a wrist watch But if you still fail to understand my point of argument, then there is nothing I can do to assist you. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Must We Test For The Existence Of God In The Science Laboratory ? by Truthdefender66(op): 5:26pm On Oct 25, 2019*. Modified: 6:19pm On Oct 25, 2019 |
hakeem4:Whether evolution is a fact or not, this doesn't affect my argument because reading, interpretation and implementation of information on the DNA template to construct and assemble different parts of animal body during embryonic development require intelligence. In other words, the transformation of a very tiny zygote into a comparatively huge and marvelous new born baby is definitely the work of intelligence. And intelligence cannot be the owner of itself. If life had no beginning, then you should have made a tangible point by saying life also had no creator just like our ultimate designer who created an information processing system in a living cell. But alas, life came to exist about 3.5 billion years ago. Therefore, life must definitely have a creator because it began to exist. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Must We Test For The Existence Of God In The Science Laboratory ? by Truthdefender66(op): 4:08am On Oct 24, 2019 |
hakeem4:But one particular thing is certain; if an information on the DNA template managed to be evolved and changed with time by a certain natural process, then READING, INTERPRETATION and IMPLEMENTATION of this very information to construct and assemble different parts of animal body during embryonic development can never also evolved by a natural process because we know from experience that these three processes (reading, interpretation and implementation of an information) can only originate from an " intelligent mind " 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Why Must We Test For The Existence Of God In The Science Laboratory ? by Truthdefender66(op): 12:07am On Oct 24, 2019 |
Why must we test for the existence of God in the science laboratory ? The zygote of a cockroach can only develop into a cockroach The zygote of a tilapia fish can only develop into a tilapia fish The zygote of an alligator can only develop into an alligator The zygote of an ostrich bird can only develop into an ostrich bird The zygote of an elephant can only develop into an elephant. The zygote of a gorilla can only develop into a gorilla. The zygote of a blue whale can only develop into a blue whale. The zygote of a human being can only develop into a human being. This implies that zygote of a particular animal species must possess a particular set of encoded information representing the physical and behavioral characteristics of that very species of animal. It is this very encoded information that scientists described as DNA. This DNA template contains a lot of biological information on how to construct and assemble different parts of animals'body during embryonic development Since all the organs that make up the body of animal do not form at the same time, the construction of various organs during embryonic development has to follow each other in a sequential manner. Therefore, all the different information on the DNA template has to be read, interpreted and implemented sequentially for different organs that make up the body to be constructed and assembled. For example, after the construction of the the three germ layers ( endoderm, mesoderm and ectoderm), the first organ to be constructed during embryonic development is the heart. According to embryology, there are 5 stages involved in the construction of the heart during embryonic development. Stage 1: formation of the heart tube. Stage 2: looping of the heart tube Stage 3: formation of the heart chambers ( left and right atria, left and right ventricles) Stage 4 : development of the outflow tracts like ascending aorta and pulmonary trunks Stage 5: formation of the heart valves ( bicuspid and tricuspid valves) Molecular studies have shown that more than 500 genes are involved in the development of the mammalian heart. This implies that those five stages involved in heart development are being controlled by more than 500 strands of information on the DNA template. So how did relevant encoded information manage to be read, interpreted and implemented to create all the complex events involved in the five stages of the heart construction ? It is like you are being asked to construct an engine of a motor car by following a set of information given in a particular manual. If you're not a perfectly trained engineer, then how are you going to read, interpret and implement these set of informations to construct and assemble different parts of the car engine ? Therefore, if an untrained but intelligent human being cannot just read, interpret and implement a particular information to construct and assemble different parts of a complex system, then how did an untrained and unintelligent natural process manage to READ, INTERPRET and IMPLEMENT the set of information in the human DNA to CONSTRUCT and ASSEMBLE different parts of human body ( like head, eyes, ears, nose, mouth, hands, chest, stomach, thigh, legs, tongue, teeth, gullet, lungs, heart, liver, kidney, spleen, testes, hypothalamus, thyroid etc ) without being guided by any intelligence ? From our experience as intelligent human being, we know what it takes to CONSTRUCT AND ASSEMBLE DIFFERENT PARTS OF A COMPLEX SYSTEM by following a set of instructions. 1. You have to read the instruction 2. You have to interpret what you have read 3. You have to implement your interpretation by carrying out some active and specific movements. Therefore, even if we assume that information on the DNA template managed to be evolved and changed with time by unguided processes of nature as the evolutionists want us to believe, then are we to assume again that reading, interpretation and implementation of these different information to construct and assemble different parts of bodies of animals ( like cockroach, tilapia fish, crocodile, ostrich bird, elephant, gorilla and blue whale) during embryonic development also managed to be evolved by unguided processes of nature ? But one particular thing is certain; if an information on the DNA template managed to be evolved and changed with time by a certain natural process, then READING, INTERPRETATION and IMPLEMENTATION of this very information to construct and assemble different parts of animal body during embryonic development can never also evolved by a natural process because we know from experience that these three processes (reading, interpretation and implementation of an information) can only originate from an " intelligent mind " Hence,automatic transformation of a very tiny zygote (which is smaller than the size of a mustard seed ) into a comparatively huge and beautiful new born baby during embryonic development must definitely be the work of an intelligence even if we cannot test for the owner of this very intelligence in the science laboratory. Of course we know intuitively that intelligence cannot be the owner of itself. It is the owner of this very intelligence that many people described as God. Therefore, God must actually exist no matter how evolutionary scientists and their colleagues wish for His non existence. O man! What has deceived you concerning your Lord ? Who created you, fashioned you and then made you symmetrical? In whatever Form He wills, does He assemble you together (Qur'an 82:6-9). For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb. I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made (Psalm 139:13-14). 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Greatest Irrefutable Evidence For The Existence Of God. by Truthdefender66: 5:38pm On Oct 21, 2019*. Modified: 6:17pm On Oct 21, 2019 |
nwabekeyi:But you suppose to make enquiry how did his God warned him. Do you think the guy would just stop suddenly to argue with you without any reason especially when he swore by his God ? As for me, I want to see your answer to his question. Pls explain how asexually unicellular organisms evolve to become male and female multicellular organisms. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Design Of Urogenital System In Vertebrates Nullify The Theory Of Gradual Evoluti by Truthdefender66(op): 3:51am On Oct 15, 2019*. Modified: 4:09am On Oct 15, 2019 |
According to Wikipedia, seventy-nine (79) organs ( lungs, liver, heart, hypothalamus, kidney, pancreas, spleen, thyroid gland, pituitary gland, adrenal gland, tongue, gullet etc) have been identified in the human body. Out of all these different organs, how did evolutionary process of chance (DNA mutations) managed to select the right organ (the storage tank for the urine known as urinary bladder) and put it exactly in the place where it is needed ? Being an unguided process of chance, mutations cannot "know" what the body needs and then supplies it. Of course, this unlikelihood of urinary bladder being put in its right location by a process of chance applies to all other organs in our body. And by calculation, the probability of arranging all the organs in human body in their right locations by a process of chance amounts to (1÷79)^ 79 = 1.223/10^150. This is equivalent to probability of zero. According to theory of evolution, a very complex system came to exist little by little over millions of years through slight modifications. But this concept of gradual evolution can never work for this very pattern of genito-urinary system found in all vertebrates including human . For example, can a pumping machine be useful without a connecting pipe through which water drawn by the machine will pass ? Similarly, if kidney exist without the pipe ( the ureter) through which urine produce inside the kidney will EXIT the kidney, then what do you think is going to happen ? The urine will cause the kidney to SWELL and BURST. This implies that kidney and ureter must came to exist at the same time. Again, can a storage tank be useful if both the inlet pipe (through which water will ENTER the tank) and the outlet pipe (through which water will EXIT the tank) were absent ? Similarly, if urinary bladder ( the storage tank) exist without the inlet pipe ( the ureter) through which urine will ENTER the bladder and without the outlet pipe (the urethra) through which urine will EXIT the bladder, then the urinary bladder is useless. This implies that the ureter, the urinary bladder and the urethra must also came to exist at the same time. Furthermore, an ejaculatory duct cannot just evolve without being linked perfectly with the urethra . Otherwise, semen would not be able to flow out from the penis during the time of ejaculation. Therefore, the ejaculatory duct that linked perfectly with the urethra must also came to exis at the same time. See how simutaneous creation of the different parts of genito-urinary system in a single generation completely nullify the theory of gradual evolution through slight modifications over millions of years. If the plumbing systems installed in our buildings cannot be created by gradual process of chance but through deliberate planning in the mind of a human plumber, then the plumbing system installed in the body of a male vertebrate must also have been created by deliberate planning in the mind of a supernatural plumber which many people described as God . 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Design Of Urogenital System In Vertebrates Nullify The Theory Of Gradual Evoluti by Truthdefender66(op): 3:48am On Oct 15, 2019*. Modified: 4:07am On Oct 15, 2019 |
Design of urogenital system in vertebrates nullify the theory of gradual evolution The urogenital system present in the body of a male vertebrate consists of the following ; 1. a pair of kidney, 2. a pair of ureter, 3. urinary bladder, 4. internal and external sphincter, 5. urethra, 6. vas deferens, 7. ejaculatory duct and 8. semen producing apparatus (testes and the accessory glands). The pair of kidney (which can be likened to two pumping machines) filter the waste from the blood and send it through a pair of inlet pipes called ureters into a storage tank known as the urinary bladder which has two taps at its inferior end. These two taps are called the internal and external sphincter. Then, another long outlet pipe (called the urethra) now runs from the inferior end of the bladder to the tip of the penis. It is through this outlet pipe that the urine exits the body. Again, there is another pipe called the ejaculatory duct coming from the semen producing apparatus (testes and the accessory glands) which link with the same urethra that carries the urine coming from the urinary bladder. During the period of ejaculation, one of the two taps ( i:e the internal sphincter) at the inferior end of the urinary bladder is involuntarily closed. Therefore, despite the fact that urine and the semen flow out of the body through the same pipe (the urethra) that runs through the length of the penis, they do not mixed together; the semen cannot flow backward into the urinary bladder . This backward flow is prevented by the first tap (i:e the internal sphincter) which normally close without our control during the time of ejaculalation. But the second tap (i:e the external sphincter) which can be open and close under our control enable us to urinate at any time we feel the need to do so. See the plumbing system installed in the body of a male vertebrate including human; The pumping machines (the two kidneys), the storage tank (the urinary bladder), the four connecting pipes ( the two ureters, the urethra and the ejaculatory duct) and the two taps ( the internal and external sphincters ) Yet some people have the mouth to proclaim as follows : "there is no any sufficient evidence to prove the existence of God and all the systems in human body were gradually brought into existence by evolutionary process of chance (DNA mutations) accumulated slowly over millions of years" But just take a look at how the pipe (i:e the ejaculatory duct) conveying the semen linked perfectly with the main outlet pipe ( i:e the urethra) carrying the urine . Yet the semen and the urine do not mixed together because of the two taps ( i:e the internal and the external sphincters) located exactly at the inferior end of the storage tank (i:e the urinary bladder). How many processes of chance (DNA mutations) do you think would be needed to form those "two pipes ( i:e the ejaculatory duct and the urethra ) and to establish that perfect linkage between them ? Again, how many processes of chance ( DNA mutations) do you think would be required before the "storage tank (i:e the urinary bladder)" can be put in place together with its inlet and outlet pipes ( i:e the ureters and the urethra) and before the "two taps( i:e the internal and external sphincter)" can be formed exactly at the inferior end of the storage tank ? 1 Like |
managed to be evolved from mitosis ( that is concerned with the production of other "body cells"
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