^^^ you expect me to believe all this?

Use your objectivity. . . .Did i mention 'deny' anywhere in my post?

Oh olabowale! THANK YOU!
I can see you're a genius in psychology.howd you know my issues?
I really envy you and those 4 wives you molest,beat,rape and divorce by blabbing 3 times. I hope you haven't married any six year old like your prophet? I hate pedophiles o.

Isn't it quite funny yaour first and by implication your most important reason is ''fair reward''. I didn't see anywhere you wrote 'i'm a christian coz i love the lord'' -its quite evident you worship to be rewarded and he doesn't oppose your millionaire dreams. So god is now like the mafia who you keep happy to gain protection and wealth. Well done! (even i would fight the way you do for anything that'll make me rich)
You mentioned the OT is an interesting book and people can deduce what they like yet you claim to love humanity,wome and children rights. CONGRATULATIONS!!! you're now a bonafide christian where HYPOCRISY is trademark.
Only a hypocrite would see the clear genocide,looting stealing and infanticide in your bible and deduce otherwise. . .
''why are you not on his side''- did your god reveal himself to those tribes and they rejected before moses and co. Started their ethnic cleansing?
BTW if you've got no evidence to support your god theory come out plain and say it.no one is gonna crucify you-instead of waiting around for atheists to come prove your god whom they've neva seen.

Casinos don't promise you divine wealth,health and success from a man in the clouds. Doing so constitutes fraud.

No matter how queer it may sound its entirely possible. People lie for different reasons some very bizzare.

Good for him. He should put the stolen money back into the community.

Good for him. He should put the stolen money back into the community.

Naturalistic explanation? O.k he's lying,it don't get more natural than that does it?

Oh please!
I've mentioned some naturalistic explanations above including he might be lying or faking it. These are true possiblities you conviniently fail to acknowledge. I'm sure if your pastor who you respect and believe in so much reverts and says theres no god and all the miracles,teachings are false,you'd definately brand him a liar.

@dominique
i have a good life thanks for asking.
What are you doing here also, don't you have to go and be a third or fourth wife to some alhaji?
@mr crakles and mushin
both of you can take first class tickets to mecca and blow yourselfs for all i care!

Blabs787 all you mentioned above doesnt change the fact that islam is a bloodthirsty,savage and barbaric religion where the violent and terrorist acts of its followers have reduced them to animals worse than pigs.

I'm interested in this topic too.
How does one know the supernatural?
Who hasg the right to declare an occurence supernatural?
That we don't understand a phenomena doesn't make it supernatural. We need to completely understand the 'natural' before we can proclaim something 'supernatural' and i don't think we're there yet.

Who the hell is safran? There are millionaires who shoplift, religious leaders who lie and fornicate even anti-gay crusaders who're gay. . . .you talk as if safran is the holy and sinless messiah.
Bottomline as long as he's human, we CAN'T take his word for it. If you have any other proof bring it not bringing claims lie prone men.

His eyes are pure and cannot behold iniquity indeed. . . .
I'm guessing he covered his face when moses,joshua and gideon were stealing lands and comiting genocide. . .

I just took a look at the john safran story and it hardly demonstrates anything out of ordinary.
I mean there numerous natural explanations first and foremost he could be faking it probably to hype and increase sales. Do you have hard evidence he's telling the truth?
He could also have been druged,hypnotised or have induced psychosis or hallucinations- there are countless possibilities.

I'll pay my respects too but i'd like to ask, why didn't pastor chris deliver/heal his own father? Is his faith not strong enough? If god wanted to take him i'm sure theres many chariots of fire to come whisk him away to heaven.
Basic principle; we ALL die and no pastor or magician can give you long life.
Rest in peace dude.

I couldn't care less if people were hearing ghost recordings or whatever. It doesn't prove or disprove anything- it just means one more thing to find natural answers for.
I'm pretty sure if you travel back in time to father abraham with two magnets,he'd probably think its ''supernatural''. Electricity was ever existent till itwas discovered by faraday. Different phenomena might be present,the fact we don't know what they are doesnt scream 'supernatural'
crop circles have been found supposedly made by aliens,there're well documented reports of UFO sightings with radar operators sighting supersonic crafts. . .we still haven't declared extra terrestrial existent.
So calm down,strange or unknown isn't equal to supernatural.

I couldn't care less if people were hearing ghost recordings or whatever. It doesn't prove or disprove anything- it just means one more thing to find natural answers for.
I'm pretty sure if you travel back in time to father abraham with two magnets,he'd probably think its ''supernatural''. Electricity was ever existent till itwas discovered by faraday. Different phenomena might be present,the fact we don't know what they are doesnt scream 'supernatural'
crop circles have been found supposedly made by aliens,there're well documented reports of UFO sightings with radar operators sighting supersonic crafts. . .we still haven't declared extra terrestrial existent.
So calm down,strange or unknown isn't equal to supernatural.

No2atheism
i think you're wrong,this isn't a debate about the bible against evolution but your religion against my atheistic disbelief.
Personally i believe evolution hasn't all the answers yet. . .
The bible might have made some good scientific calls however there're not so accurate ones. For example we now know you cant produce spotted goats by breeding them over stripped sticks. . .
There's research going on with animal and human embryo,it's only a matter of time before human organs are cultured from them.

Pilgrim,
I actually was about typing my answers a good look at your supposed answer. ''I don't believe but don't deny the existence''- what the hell is that?
That was a smart but cowardly approach to a simple yes or no question. Typical isn't it? Just trying to stay on both side of the fence.
You fail to realise that for your own god to be the ultimate creator,the concept of an allah( the supposed creator according to the islamists) should be non-existent. Your religion stands based on the fact theres no OTHER god except yours. If allah hypothesis does exist (since you don't deny its existence) ,it means your god is bullshit coz we can't have two creators,two most powerful and all loving beings.your faith makes no room for that possibility.
Similar to what you stated,my atheistic views aren't based on the need to disprove your god hypothesis rather i weigh your postulations to see if they hold water,are logical and try to make sure contradictions to xteristcs of your entity like the ones found in your bible don't exist. Since your religion fails to meet my criteria,well. . . . .
I'm very glad you agree with my point ''you don't expect me to provide evidence for the hypothesis of others'' -i think you should be given an award for this.
But i find it funny though you expecting me to provide evidence for the islamic hypothesis and in essense yours.
We've seen it time and time again with you religionists who fail to provide evidences to support your claims yet you expect us to show contrary,what'd you expect us to work with?

Youngman, lion and tigers have been cross bred to form LIGER, horse and zebra have also been interbred. It might not support evolution,it doesn't support your theory either
And i'm pretty sure the koran,torah and verdas also mention the earth hanging.

No2atheism
the fact our hypotheis is wrong doesn't make yours right.
kindly list the scientific evidences you claim support your faith.

No2Atheism, o.k let me confess i have no answers to your questions above. It's only a matter of time before science comes up with better answers,remember not long ago we thought diseases were caused by evil spirits,rainbows were god's covenant and even thunder was the voice of god not until it was shown to be caused by +ve and -ve charges.
I agree,i don't have all the answers as to the origins of our world. However since you're SURE god created all,kindly answer these;
Who created god,how did he start?
Where was god before he created the heavens and the earth?

How did god create the billions of planets and galaxies?
Why did he choose earth amongst the zillions to create life?
. . . .more questions to follow if you satisfactorily answer these.

Oh soludo! Soludo!
Soludo the eye of the tiger,
the powerful son who killed an elephant like the proverbial ant
the charging naked warrior who fears not the cold
as tall as the iroko yet wise like the tortoise
and so on. . . . .

Sorry blabs,you too far gone.no school can help you now not even allah.
You're doomed to remain a slowpoke for life

Pilgrim i find this hard to understand. In course of our discourse i asked a simple question,do you believe in the existence of allah,yet you throw back my question unanswered.
If thats the way you debate,then what a shame.

Pilgrim i asked for a simple yes or no answer. Is that so hard?

Pilgrim i asked for a simple yes or no answer. Is that so hard?

Set synagogues on fire,destroy the jewish prayerbooks,forbid the rabbis from preaching. Also seize their property and money,smash up their homes so that these poisonous envenomed worms would be forced into labour or expelled for all time - spirit led Martin Luther.

Pilgrim i want you to come out straight and answer the question
DO YOU BELIEVE ALLAH THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH,THE ALL POWERFUL,OMHNIPOTET AND MERCIFUL GOD,WHO SENT HIS PROPHET MOHAMMED FOR THE LIBERATION OF THE WORLD? Yes or no

Pilgrim.
Good. Now can you then tell me why you don't believe in the supremacy of zeus, allah or buddha? What 'credulous reason' do you have not to believe in them?