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garfield1:
It means you wrote the exam and actually passed through secondary school.we are wasting time on buhari qualification which the tribunal wont even touch just like osun.the case will likely be decided on the preliminary objections.there too many judicial obstacles for atiku.funny enough,buhari has shown more proof that he's qualified than atiku that shows that he's not a birth citizen

It means so many things ie identity theft,forgery but certainly not a valid proof!

garfield1:
Deep inside you,it is also your position.you just hate admitting defeat

What do you mean by defeat? We ain't in any contest or are we?

garfield1:
Isn't it obvious that all the elections will always be flawed and that atiku case isn't as compelling as others

That is your position and you are entitled to it.

Afamed:
You can't rewrite history. A confused alarmist like you

I already defined you pls. No need to respond.

Afamed:
I have known you to be a full time confusionist /, alarmist on Nairaland since the day of Adam. Your Arguments are always neither here nor there. Only those that don't know your background that will waste time to engage you in any political debate

Your problem is that of IQ,EQ and SQ!

garfield1:
Mind you,in all presidential petition cases in nigeria,its always a split decision not unanimous

Because the petitioners always have compelling cases. Isn't it obvious that the elections have always been flawed?

garfield1:
Its not variancy but proof of education to secondary level my friend.why so empty? The law cannot be activated except someone petitions it,why cant you just get this simple fact boyyyyyyy!!!

Concerning the oath,there is no proof that its a lie or false and even if there is,its a civil/criminal matter and outside the jurisdiction of an election tribunal.even if its within its powers,its not injurious,fatal or grave to his defence.moreover,it has been overtaken by new events.in the words of the supreme court,its time and status barred.case closed.down Atiku forever

If you are required to prove that you are a graduate as garfield1, then after claiming the cert is with your employer, you suddenly produce. 3 certs one with first class another with 2:2. And another more with 2:1 yet two read garford with transcript.
You certainly have proved nothing.

garfield1:
Thats the problem with them.buhari has successfully counteted all the issues raised by atiku.any other lingering issues were not raised by atiku meanwhile his fans are ignorantly clsiming that he did

Buhari countered nothing. Let the PEPT decide and uphold buhari's victory unanimously then, you can say that. What split ruling means is that the both sides are right but, more agree with A or B.

Afamed:
That lad is a confused fellow. He will be neither here nor there

You must time display youthful exuberance instead of substance.

garfield1:
You sound pained over my clear superiority in intelligence over you.you are trying to downplay my knowledge claiming that it's from other forum.funny.no be me say make you no dey learn.down atiku

Superiority my foot!!!!

ejimatic:
. If this raises an issue and there is no supportive evidence the law requires the use of affidavit as aback up...case closed...Atiku himself knows Buhari certificate is just a distraction for it cannot make him win

The law requires buhari to produce affidavit of change of name or whatever of 1962. Not that at the pendency of trial in 2019, 3 variants of cert suddenly surfaced with inconsistencies..

Case opened!

engineerboat:
Are you telling me

Austin and Augustine in the certificate will be accepted as the same name.

Or

Debby and Deborah

Or

Taye and Taiwo will be accepted as the same.

In legal document they are differents name

The irony of it all, is that the buhari/apc defense started by even challenging Dr Livy's license to practise. Saying he can't sign with an alias while his name is livinus! These defenders of absurdities always should fear God and love nation.

ejimatic:
. Spelling is important in documents. it can make a person two in identity.However there are names that have different orthographies but they still refer to same person. Aba Kiyeri said before tribunal that Mohammed and Mohammodu refer to same person...Taiwo and Taiye mean same in Yoruba lang too....In my opinion it holds no matter.

You don't use different variants of same name as a legal Tender! Okay let Taiwo Mohammed go and collect Taiye Muhammadu's money in the bank.

garfield1:
Nothing is fundamentally flawed.you are just trying to twist things or rather deliberately misunderstand issues.i will engage you in this argument not to just educate you but others because while you are learning,others are reading and appreciating.when you comment,know that others are reading and learning hence the dragging and insulting comments you received.

I will use myself as an example.i am contesting for elections but i lost my originals and photocopies but i swore an affidavit attesting that to that and that i am educated up to secondary school cert level.an opponent drags me to court saying that i did not attach my certs and qualifications to the inec form cf001,therefore i dont have the nevessary certs and am not qualified.he did not plead forgery.what am i to do? how do i prove to the court that i am qualified and that indeed i was possessed the documents i claimed to get.i have to go to my former school to get an attestation from them,a picture or proof that i wrote waec there or was in class 5.some of my class mates at then were brought to testify in my favour,a broadsheet,attestation letters and transcripts from waec and neco are brought to the court.

There are three differsnt results and one has my name fully.i have proven that i wrote waec and was educated up to school cert level.if the certs were forged or any discrepancy noticed,it cannot be entertained by the as what was pleaded was non qualification and not forgery.



You do not know the word compelling,just accept it.or lets say strong.adeleke case was stronger,he almost won.he won the main election,was declared winner by the tribunal,proved clearly to the tribunal that there were errors in the result sheets,proved to the court that cancelled units were done by the rec instead of presiding officers.what has atiku successfully proven?

The problem with you is that you only want argument. Buhari's affidavit is first stale cos it was 2014. And he was publicly issued an attestation by WAEC prior last year.

Again, obtaining evidence during pendency of trial is flawed by the evidence act. You don't seek office claim awaiting result or missing result cos you have all the time to seek a ctc of said cert. Suddenly you are presenting same during pendency of trial. Indolence is not rewarded by the court

Atiku has a compelling case except you don't know what it meant. Any case that has spilt decision is compelling. This case will have such a ruling.

Your cockiness of claiming knowledge is actually ignorance! Cos the frontier of your knowledge is the beginning of others. You haven't shown any knowledge or expertise but, bringing other people's thoughts from some forum for submission without acknowledging them. I know your type. That we are in cyberspace and you support the party in power doesn't make you any more knowledgeable than anybody you hear!

engineerboat:
Which of the Result.

Which one did he tender.

Lets start from there

Buhari didn't tender any results at the filing of his form and even on commencement of trial in march but, suddenly came up with a bogus result during the pendency of trial. Such procurement of evidence is flawed in law. It is of no effect and value let alone the numerous contradictions therein.

Afamed:
Clever by half. Did Jonathan challenge PMB certificate before he withdrew the case in the court. in 2014/2015? Yes or No

He and even pdp made issue out of buhari not having certs that led to the army publicly denying having the said certs. However, buhari instead of providing the certs raised a team of SANs to defend himself dragging the issue till the elections.

Once the elections were done and results known, Jonathan in Godly wisdom congratulated buhari and asked the pdp to discontinue any legal tussle. It was exemplary cos challenging buhari further with issue of cert under the very volatile situation would have led to bloodbath. FACT.

Today, it is not a christian minority southerner against the almighty buhari and his cult followers but, same against same! This is why for the first time the cert issue has reached this level of judicial scrutiny.

It is now up to the judiciary to put the matter to bed once and for all. The judgement will be a landmark in the annals of our jurisprudence on the interpretation of qualification.

Whether Atiku wins or not, evolved citizens are too interested in what the position of the courts will be for posterity sakes. All thanks to Atiku. What most won't be happy with is a technical judgement.

QuotaSystem:
Atiku can only dream of the presidential corridors that Lauretta catwalks.

Her good works are appreciated by the Presidency and I bet she is coming back with more pepper for the ever-pained wailers and inconsolable haters of our amiable President .

This one will be a like a Y shaped fish bone in the throat of the already celebrating wailers. Who God has blessed, no man can curse

Atiku was in presidential corridor as VP for 8yrs. He wasn't a hireling like laurentia!

Afamed:
Jonathan also raised certificate before he withdrew the case at the 11th hour

Jonathan didn't challenge Buhari's victory he rather, congratulated buhari even before the final declaration of results. It has never been done anywhere! So how is that most statemanly conduct of any nexus here?

garfield1:
The server issue which might have called for inec presenting witnesses has been settled,only one witness talked about wrongful collation and the lawyers punctured his claim.

The most serious cases are that bordering on qualifications.before the tribunal considers atiku's petition,they will first look at all preliminary matters including the qualification of atiku.if he is not qualified,then the matter ends the.he needed to have prevented strong facts showing that he's a citizen by birth

All the issues raised are serious. The result/certificate stuff is engaging more attention cos most people are lazy brains who rather cherry pick the easiest item on the table.

With the cert it appears straightforward that is why even the buhari team were clearly jittery and shakened! The hurried procurement of documents during pendency of a trial is fundamentally flawed.


All the legal team is trying to do is to muddle the petitioners case for which the petitioners reffused to take their baits. Atiku's petition is far more compelling than Adeleke's.

Afamed:
The problem with both of you. The day Atiku case is thrown out of court for lack of merit and frivolous claims. Democracy will suddenly under threat

Again, it is only people like you that scream democracy under threat where judgement of court goes against them.

Democracy is in motion and continue to evolve. The court rulings are part and parcel of democracy. They are the final caps. A ruling today becomes a basis for another tomorrow. Those who benefit from it today, may be on the receiving side tomorrow.

So why is democracy in danger?

Cajal:
..in fact his witness worked significantly against Atiku

Lame cos inec and apc needed their own witnesses to debunk atiku/pdp's allegations. Just cross examination alone is not enuff.

Afamed:
You are looking for soft landing right?

I am too evolved beyond your exuberance!

garfield1:
Its not everytime you must support engineer canoe,try and be neutral.did you see me in the firs case?

Hey stop coaching. I am at liberty to support anyone's position at anytime. He took his time to update and those without updates are simply using foul languages as argument just so they may make comments.

In the matter at hand, the written addresses were in response to what happened at the trial with judicial references. Each party responded to one another's grounds why not folks here stick to what is now in the open but, simply insult.

Buhari is already the president and the worst that can happen to atiku/pdp has already happen any ruling that addresses the grievances of the petitioner will be massive even if buhari's victory is affirmed.

As an evolved man, I take most insulting comments to be from younger generations aka youth. Some days in the future, they will become measured in utterance rather than exuberant!

garfield1:
I Was getting to that.atiku did not present any good case except maybe in the qualifications of buhari.the ruling will not be unanimous,i see one or two judges ruling against buhari.i suspect that the tribunal chair will likely rule against buhari while the other 4 led by abdul aboki will rule for buhari.seems your far learned than this oluwole engineer

Once the ruling at PEPT and supreme court ain't unanimous making the petition to be worthless, any fair minded person will find Satisfaction.

It will be earthquake for the PEPT to rule in favour of Atiku/PDP. In fact, the jubilation will be spontaneous across Nigeria not minding that the supreme Court may upturn it!!!!

So far, the petitioners have a compelling case irrespective of the make believe of buhari/apc/inec.

Afamed:
Ignore Engineerboat. I have sampled the guy yesterday. He's not just wack but totally empty.
Just few days from now, Atiku case will be thrown out of court for lack of merit and frivolous claims. You can bookmark this thread

Just like you sampled and insulted everyone on Kyari and FIRS in arrogant display of ignorance!

engineerboat:
Go and check PEPT 16th and 17th July proceedings.

It will cure uour ignorance

Don't mind them they ain't informed!

garfield1:
Mere hearsays and speculations backed with no evidencial facts.no documentary proofs that his parents are nigerians,even his two witnessed failed him.he has failed to prove that hes a nigerian by birth.

all he needed to do was to present the dates of birth of his parents,friends or peer group of his parents,witnesses that knew his parents,his uncles and aunties,his date of birth and clear evidences that jada was never in cameroun.

Inec/apc abandon their defense then went dismissive in their written addresses. Chai! Isn't it contradictory on your part demanding for witnesses in defense of Atiku's citizenship but, accept that Inec didn't have to quash Atiku's submissions and allegations regarding server,and wrongful collation by calling on its own witnesses.

It is now up to the PEPT to deliver judgement.

garfield1:
You are becoming desperate.why not rest? You didsame during adeleke case and failed woefully.adeleke even had a stronger case but failed.how many threads do you want to open on this case? Is it insomnia that is driving you? Please go and sleep and stop disturbing people.
Cc afamed,yarimo,doyin2,ejimatic

Adeleke's case didn't fail woefully rather the alleged absence of a judge on a particular date was used to thwart justice under technicality of proceedings. It was. Never the fault of Adeleke's defense but judicial Flaw punished on the litigant!


It therefore goes without saying that #teamAtiku have a compelling case and we wait for the technicalities this time that buhari/apc have up their sleeves.

We expect split decision one way or the other not unanimous one.

ItsMeAboki:
How is he above the law when the constitution does not demand him or anyone to have or produce a certificate to be eligible into elective office.

Some of you blindly follow beer parlour and PDP concocted lies and propaganda as gospel truth without cross checking or reasoning - simply because such lies are repeated over and over again through the (mainly PDP dominated) media.

Attached is what the constitution says; in fact the last paragraph of the said provision, more less left the whole matter at the discretion of INEC.

Atiku doesn't have a case in hell to over turn Buhari's election victory; his lawyers are just deceiving him and feeding fat on his dubiously acquired wealth - 1st they sold him a dummy on the 'phantom' INEC server; then now on the issue of certificate, where any idiot can easily decipher that Buhari is even over qualified for the presidency in accordance with the requirement of the law.

For you to be debating the issues raised since march till date without a definitive end, shows how deep and germane the issues are! It is now left to the tribunal/supreme court to decide it one way or the other. This will then be the precedence!

[quote author=engineerboat post=81480978][/quote]Hehehehe. Comrade fire on. Leave them to their technical judgement for itt is obvious to even them that justice was denied.

Afamed:
Your seating paymaster president in 2015 knew why he withdrew Buhari certificate from court. Your rant here is inconsequential

How is GEJ action a validation of that? GEJ did his heroic and leave the rest for posterity. An election extremists were ready to burn Nigeria was defused by the sitting president for love of country.

Thank God it is now same hausa/fulani against themselves and the matter will be settled one way or the order by the courts.

Doyin2:
You lack comprehension.

If the military seized Buhari certificate during a coup and a witness ignorantly says they were not required to submit certificates .Who lied?

BTW,the words of a witness a can never be taken as the gospel truth against that of a respondent.Only the court can determine who to believe.

Was that what he swore to under oath? The coupists who overthrew him are still alive to have been called as witnesses.