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1Sharon:
They also rejected the NT and your Jesus.

Now are you going to reject those also?

You're sounding hypocritcal.

The Jews rejection of Jesus was a divine prophecy. The same OT also prophesied that at the end they will accept Jesus

unanonso:
The apocrypha books were written after the book Malachi.
The NT writers quoted from Gen. to Malachi.

Even the Jews rejected the Apocrypha that is why you can not find them in the Hebrew Bible which contains only the OT.

1Sharon:
This is not what we are arguing about.

Was the apocrypha quoted in the Bible? YES

Did I prove it? YES

If they were not divine, why were they quoted in the Bible?

The Bible has been altered, deal with it.

The apocrypha books were written after the book Malachi.
The NT writers quoted from Gen. to Malachi.

1Sharon:
I thought you said Moses wrote the 5 books?

Now you are changing mouth and bringing out Joshua?

Read my post again.

Moses wrote the five book excerpt the account of his death and what follows after. 8 verses in all.
Deuteronomy 34:5 So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. 34:6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day. 34:7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated. 34:8 And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended. 34:9 And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses. 34:10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face, 34:11 In all the signs and the wonders, which the LORD sent him to do in the land of Egypt to Pharaoh, and to all his servants, and to all his land, 34:12 And in all that mighty hand, and in all the great terror which Moses shewed in the sight of all Israel.

1Sharon:
Adam and Eve had to fit into one of the races, they were not green, were they?

Adam and Eve were the parents of humanity. They were the first humans on earth.
Different races came from the three sons Noah Shem, Japheth and Ham after the flood.

Genesis 10:1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. 10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. 10:3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah. 10:4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations...
Genesis 10:32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.

Pls, read Gen. Chps. 10 and 11

Genesis 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

1Sharon:
And he wrote about his own death, does that make sense to you?

It talks about Enoch being taken up to heaven, so wher did genesis get that narrative from??

Moses did not write about his own death which was recorded in Deuteronomy.

Deuteronomy 34:5 So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.

Many believed it was written by Joshua.

Deuteronomy 34:9 And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses.

You see, it makes perfect sense that the last verses of the book of Deuteronomy were completed by Joshua.

1Sharon:
Did you read what I posted??

I read what you posted.

Apocrypha books were written by historical people but the books they wrote were rejected as divine words of God.

1Sharon:
Ok Cain married his sister? Makes perfect sense.

What race were they by the way?

Humans were not divided by race by that time

1Sharon:
And Moses wrote the Tanakh and recorded his own death?

There you go, even Genesis references the book of Enoch.

Moses wrote Genesis to Deuteronomy.

Genesis did not reference the book of Enoch. However it wrote about Enoch.

Additionally the books of Jasher is MENTIONED in Joshua 10:13 and 2nd Samuel 1;17-19[/quote]The book of jasher was mentioned in the Bible but we don't have any canonical book of Jasher.

1Sharon:
LOL. You know that alot of so called quotes of Jesus were taken from the apocrypha??

The NT validates the apocrypha and both books are similar to each other than the OT and NT.


Matthew 27:43 – if He is God’s Son, let God deliver him from His adversaries
Wisdom 2:18 – if the righteous man is God’s child, he will help him, and will deliver him from the hand of his adversaries

Luke 1:52 – He has brought down the powerful from their thrones, and lifted up the lowly;
Sirach 10:14 – The Lord overthrows the thrones of rulers, and enthrones the lowly in their place.

Ephesians 6:13-17
Stand therefore, and fasten the belt of truth around your waist, and put on the breastplate of righteousness. As shoes for your feet put on whatever will make you ready to proclaim the gospel of peace. With all of these, take the shield of faith, with which you will be able to quench all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
Wisdom 5:17-20
The Lord will take his zeal as his whole armor,
and will arm all creation to repel his enemies;
he will put on righteousness as a breastplate,
and wear impartial justice as a helmet;
he will take holiness as an invincible shield,
and sharpen stern wrath for a sword,
and creation will join with him to fight against his frenzied foes.

Matthew 23:37 – Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often have I desired to gather your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing!
2 Esdras 1:30 – I gathered you as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings. But now, what shall I do to you? I will cast you out from my presence.


Additionally the books of Jasher is MENTIONED in Joshua 10:13 and 2nd Samuel 1;17-19

You are missing the point.
I told you before that these book are not among the canonical books of the Bible.

The NT Apostles were not quoting from apocrypha they were quoting from Genesis to Malachi. The apocrypha is an inter testimental book. The Bible did not copy from it It was the other way round. The apocrypha was rejected by canon.

1Sharon:
Where is that in the Bible?


And where did the people of Nod come from?

Genesis 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

This does not mean that there were inhabitants there. Remember that the book of Genesis was written by Moses thousands of years after Cain by then the location had a name.

1Sharon:
Hebrews 11:5, "By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death

Mentions not just Enoch's name but what actually happened in the book of Enoch.

I have told you already that the book of Enoch was written by pseudo writer.

The writer of the book of the Hebrews wrote that by inspiration from the account of the book of Genesis not from the book of Enoch.

Genesis 5:21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: Genesis 5:22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: Genesis 5:23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

1Sharon:
Hebrews 11:5, "By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death

Mentions not just Enoch's name but what actually happened in the book of Enoch.

I have told you already that the book of Enoch was written by pseudo writer.

The writer of the book of the Hebrews wrote that by inspiration from the account of the book of Genesis not from the book of Enoch.

1Sharon:
Added by the Catholic church?? You mean SUBTRACTED by the protestants?

I ask you to show me where Jesus or Apostles quoted from the apocrypha

1Sharon:
LOL. You only fight against the apocrypha because you were taught to do so. If you were Catholic you would not be saying this.

You don't know for yourself that the apocrypha isn't God-breathed, you were just taught it wasn't.

And you think Moses wrote the Tanakh and recorded his own death?? Makes perfect sense.


Why doesn't genesis make any sense?? Because there are missing books of the Bible!

Why do freethinkers scratch their head at where Cain got his wife from?? because Adam isn't the first human but genesis never told you that.

Inspired by God my foot. Why would God let his word be infiltrated. Allowing millions of people to be confused.

who told you that Genesis doesn't make any sense?

He don't need free thinkers to tell that Cain married his sister

1Sharon:
PS: Enoch pre-dates Adam.

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Adam was the great, great,great... grandfather of Enoch.

The prophecy made by Enoch was recorded in the book of Jude in the NT but the book of Enoch was never referred to.
Know this also, the book of Enoch was written by a pseudo writer.

1Sharon:
LOL bless your heart.

The book of Enoch was referenced in the NT.

Pls, can you show me? And do not confuse the mention of the name Enoch with the book of Enoch.

1Sharon:
Why is it in the Catholic Bible?

It was ADDED by the Catholic church.
The apocrypha were historical books they were not among the inspired Word of God. And that is why Jesus and the Apostles never quoted them.

1Sharon:
Ever heard of the apocrypha? My dear, your Bible is incomplete.

I have. But apocryphal books are not among the canonical books of the Bible.

RapistOnBail:
You can’t reason logically without quoting the story book

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Mayniaa:
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Why are you laughing

RapistOnBail:
I feel for you bro.

Pls, explain.

Mayniaa:
The Yahweh own?

Yes. The Almighty YAHWEH

RapistOnBail:
Can you argue with your common sense rather than bringing up a passage from a story book?

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Mayniaa:
Which one?
Yahweh or Zeus or Poseidon or Allah?

God Almighty the creator of Heaven and Earth.

ModestGal:
Ode, you were there when he was first God abi?
The way you quoted bible that he was God, is the way they can also quote their scripture that the man was once God before. You are both fools,you worship men that ate, deficated, hungry, normal human being like you

2 Corinthians 4:4 ... the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

IamNumeroUno:
How can you make an argument about religious differences by quoting from the religious book of just one religion? I wonder what they teach in schools these days.

Counter his argument with a stronger logic not quotations from the bible which only belongs to Christians.

By the way, I am a Christian and believe in Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Saviour, I just hate lazy arguments.

There is only one God and Savior His name is Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Mayniaa:
Your pastor didn't tell you?

You should read up on the origin of bible


You know bible literally means collection of books

I still don't get you at all.
Do you believe in God or not?

TheChildOfGod:
Hey, you need to calm down. You're condemning them for worshipping a man as God simply because you were taught to only worship another man (Jesus) as God.

If Jesus could be born of a mortal, live as a mortal and die like a mortal and be God, why can't someone else be? That your own God is different doesn't necessarily make theirs to be false...you were just taught differently.

At the end we are all going to hell in another man's religion, so let's learn to be tolerant.

Pls, never worship man and never support the worship of man.
As for Jesus, He first God before He became man to save man from sin.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Mayniaa:
All scripture except for the ones the Catholic removed?

Which ones are you referring to?

Mayniaa:
What do you expect from a book that justifies rape, killing and mayhem?

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: