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More Wikileaks emails against Hillary, more evidence she's using her foundation for illegal activities with foreign countries ... indictment? Possibly. Conviction by Loretta Lynch? I doubt it
Americans live in a f'd up country where money and power buys you out of everything!


Julian Assange Claims Next Batch of Hillary Clinton Emails is Enough For Indictment


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqu73w2lp4I

https://richardcharnin./2016/06/24/smoking-gun-approximately-15-of-bernies-votes-were-flipped-to-clinton-in-california/

SMOKING GUN! APPROXIMATELY 15% OF BERNIE’S VOTES WERE FLIPPED TO CLINTON IN CALIFORNIA

http://usadailypolitics.com/california-counts-countless-provisional-mail-ballots-areas-switch-bernie-nine-superdelegates/

California Counts Countless Provisional And Mail-In Ballots, Areas Switch For Bernie And Nine More Superdelegates …

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/6/1511462/-CORRUPTION-How-Hundreds-of-Superdelegates-were-Literally-bought-by-the-Clinton-Campaign

How Hundreds of Superdelegates were "bought" by the Clinton Campaign.

http://alexanderhiggins.com/stanford-berkley-study-1-77-billion-chance-hillary-won-primary-without-widespread-election-fraud/

Odds Hillary Won Without Widespread Fraud: 1 in 77 Billion Says Berkeley, Stanford Studies


After applying various statistical models to subsets of 2016 primary voting data several academic researchers conclude Hillary Clinton’s win was only possible through widespread vote fraud.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNlkc92_NTE

https://alexanderhiggins.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Hillary-Fraud-One-in-77-Billion-300x186.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoGeDGHmwJU

Hillary Clinton's election fraud finally exposed. California stolen from Bernie Sanders!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK6ixvKxw7E

Hillary Clinton used to sound a lot like Trump on immigration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3zJQsLYB4c

Here are 24 times Hillary Clinton PRAISED the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) and helped implement it as Secretary of State. WATCH UNTIL THE END!

The following posts will expose the true face of Clinton: pathological liar & absolutely mendacious; conniving and manipulative; an unrepentant violator of the law which she treats with contempt; an elitist with imperialistic tendencies, lack of empathy & borderline sociopath that shrieks in delight at the cold blooded murder of a Head of State.

Hillary Clinton is the establishment's choice and it should come as no surprise that the same establishment controlled mainstream media is working overtime pushing Clinton to the forefront of the American political discourse, making it seem like she is indeed a popular candidate when this can not be further from the truth. Americans are tired of big money, paid-for and bought-over politics and many of them want a change in the status quo hence the rise of extremely popular candidates such as Bernie Sanders and the Libertarian Party candidate who is currently polling at an incredible 11%.

From being beholden to powerful interest groups such as Wall Street and Corporate America; the Military Industrial Complex which then outgoing American president so ominously warned about at this farewell speech; the Israel Lobby; etc to a series of disastrous and failed foreign policies, it lives little to doubt that Americans would be making a grave mistake if this despicable woman is makes it to the White House.

Good luck to them!

The article is quite lengthy and with a lot of links to other articles. All can't be posted here so I would suggest you visit the URL below:

http://www.davechandler.info/2016/05/the-thinking-persons-guide-to-why-hillary-clinton-is-not-fit-to-be-president-of-the-united-states.html


MAY 26, 2016
A Thinking Person's Guide To Why Hillary Clinton Is Not Fit To Be President Of The United States
By Dave Chandler

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There are scandals, but it isn't mostly about scandals.
It isn't about woman versus man.
It isn't about age, looks, or demeanor.

The reasonable, rational case against Hillary Clinton for President of the United States is about lack of faithfulness to principles and trustworthiness.

To put it simply, Hillary Clinton has been on every side of almost every major issue confronting the country over the past two decades. You cannot believe her today because what she says today is likely different than what she said she believed last week, or last year, or when she was a Senator, or when she was First Lady.

We expect a certain level of “evolution” on issues from all politicians – that can be an indication of responsiveness to the changing will of the people. However, there is a level of trying to be all-things-to-all-people that speaks to a certain kind of manipulative character. Hillary Clinton's flip-flop list is too long and encompasses too many important subjects to be anything other than evidence of a deeply flawed personality.

Does Hillary not know what she really believes? Does she have ideological beliefs that she dare not share with us? Or are her principles so psychologically malleable that she sincerely changes her beliefs for political expediency, for her own advancement? Does she really even have political principles?

But there is this ... when examining the trajectory of Hillary Clinton's political history and governmental activities, it is abundantly clear that she and her husband are fully ingrained in the elitist cadre of Wall Street speculators, international banksters, military contractors, a myriad of powerful corporate special interests, and political insiders. Hillary Clinton is not one of us by any measure, she is indeed, emblematic of the .001 percent. What her fluidity on issues reveals is that she will say whatever is advantageous to her ambition and the best interests of the rarified elites with whom she has become so much an established member.

New_NixonFor the nation a leader with such dubious qualities can have serious consequences – we impeached a President for such -- and I'm not referring to Hillary's husband.

Presidential difficulties with honesty can have devastating consequences for the republic. For his slipperiness Richard Nixon was called 'Tricky Dick' and the line “Would you buy a used car from this man?” was (perhaps apocryphally) originated by comedian Mort Sahl to describe Nixon. My political intuition say there is a lot of Richard Milhouse Nixon in Hillary Clinton.

For Democrats and for liberals/progressives the alliances that the Clinton political machine has made have sapped the very soul and purpose out of the party of Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, and John Kennedy. I cannot recommend strongly enough that these folks read the new book by Thomas Frank, “Listen, Liberal or What Ever Happened to the Party of the People.” (Amazon)

I was born during the Eisenhower administration; since 1968 I have been interested and active in politics (yes, I volunteered on my own in Wyoming during the Humphrey-Nixon contest); I've read history and politics extensively; and I've been a candidate for public office, so, I have some experiential depth – if we are indeed saddled with Trump and Clinton this will be by far the absolute worst choice of presidential candidates we have seen in my lifetime – it maybe one of the worst presidential election offerings in all of U.S. history.

For most of my life in politics I have tended to favor the honest, principled candidate over loyalty to any party or even strict adherence to political ideology. I will vote for a genuinely honest and forthright candidate before I choose one that merely fills in the check boxes on my issues list. I have voted for Democrats, Republicans, Greens, Libertarians, and independents – an honest and candid elected official, even one with whom I disagree, at least gives me a fighting chance to be heard and let's me know where I stand. An honest and principled elected official means that the compromise and checks-and-balances intrinsic to the governmental theory of the U.S. Constitution should protect us from destructive laws and policies. Conversely, with less than honest, only self-interested officials -- no matter how loyal they are to 'party' -- all bets are off for good or even tolerable outcomes.

* * *

The list of Hillary Clinton flip-flops is truly astonishing, especially from someone who takes herself so seriously and expects the voters to do likewise. She is not honest, she is not trustworthy.

For me this is a disqualifier for the office of President of the United States.

As of today, however, I offer no advice on what to do if we are so unfortunate as to have Trump and Clinton as the major party nominees. This is an unusual election thus far … I will just wait and see what transpires.

Putin, hasn't sided with with any candidate. He, as he has done several times in the past has asked that no matter who emerges as president, that the U.S. respects international law & national sovereignty of countries and sees Russia as equal partners working together towards solving the world's problems.

And about the U.S. presidential elections, below is true face of Clinton: pathological liar & absolutely mendacious; conniving and manipulative; an elitist with imperialistic tendencies, lack of empathy & borderline sociopath that shrieks in delight at the cold blooded murder of a Head of State. America missed out on Sanders and now they have to choose between a pompous, racist m0rOn & the head w1tch of the coven.

Good luck to them!

https://www.facebook.com/numbersusa/videos/1135342756522418/

I agree with Madame Le Pen.

On a side note, this is the choice that awaits Muslims should Trump and Clinton emerge as the two standing contenders. Lol!

All conciliatory moves, proposal for cooperation in fighting terrorism together and arriving at a detente emanating from the Kremlin has been turned down.

History will judge

This video also I recommend people watch


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0

Shym3xx:
Missy89

USA
GDP: $17.419 trillion
Debt: $19.3 trillion
Foreign reserve: $118 billion
Population: 318.9 million

Russia
GDP: $3.493 trillion
Foreign reserve: $392 billion
Debt: $538.1 billion
Population: 143.5 million

If I were to choose between the two - I'd rather be Russia than US right now. And even if they were to sell the US - they won't be able to pay back the enormous debt. Leading a fake life doesn't make you a boss - how debt free you're makes you one.

P.S: don't bother to reply - I'm not interested in reading amala propaganda from an Ibadan chic living on a PC in Langley.

Out.

The way you have put it in this perspective speaks volumes.

Floyd Mayweather(USA) is worth upwards of $500 million ($17.419 trillion) and spends his money on [s]Bugattis, luxury clothing and accessories & maintains a bevy of baby mamas and side b*tches[/s] (perpetual war, worldwide military bases, larger population) he caters for. We know even though he (USA) exudes a lot of wealth and power, his expenses ($20 trillion national debt, $4-6 trillion tab for Iraq/Afghan war alone) is outta control and it's only a matter of time before he goes the day of others (Great Britain) that have come before him.

Compare Floyd to another celebrity who is perhaps not as wealthy but reins in spending and adventurism, saves and invests in trust funds and other investment opportunities and is generally savvy about what he should spend money on and has little or no hanger-ons to cater for.

Rising Stocks:

Back in the 2008, stocks soared early on in the year deceptively protraying a pospering economy when in truth the economy was about to unravel as we found out later that year.

"Rising stock" doesn't mean a thing when businesses are closing, job cuts were 35% more in April than they did in March, corporate earnings have declined for four consecutive quarters now, profits for companies listed on the S&P 500 are down 7.1 percent and the U.S. economy grew by just an annual rate of 0.5% Q1- the 3rd time in a row that the GDP has declined compared to the previous quarter.

There is global economic slowdown and its only a matter of time before that reality reflects as well on the US stock market which at the moment I see as nothing more than a bubble.


Federal Reserve:

The Fed is an entirely privately owned institution. The 12 Federal Reserve banks are 100% owned by private banks or individuals. The US goverment has 0% ownership in the Fed.

Contrary to what a lot of people believe, the Fed's monetary policy decisions do not have to be approved by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branches (that is the presidency and the US congress for those that need further explanation) of government.

Also within the Fed is the powerful and important Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) which makes key decisions about interest rates and
the growth of the United States money supply. It is key to note that although this FOMC consists of 7 members of the presidential appointed Board of Governors (Janet Yellen being the present Chairman), it also consists of five members of the twelve Federal Reserve Bank presidents (private and NOT appointed by the President.
Also, the Fed will attempt to coat it's activities in a veneer of being subject to the will of the American people by stating:

"....the Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by Congress, which periodically reviews its activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute. Also, the Federal Reserve must work within the framework of the overall objectives of economic and financial policy established by the government,"

when in reality the control that the Congress weilds over it is very limited. Who recollects how ertswhile Fed Chairman Bernanke was summoned before the US Senate and when asked to reveal how the bailout funds engineered by the "too big to fail" banks - who railroaded the Obama administration into signing - was disbursed, flatly refused to disclose those details? Right there on the Senate floor! So then, what "authority" does the Fed derive from or "oversight" is it subject to from the US congress? Why is it labeled a private/public hybrid and not really being “owned” by anyone? Why the ambiguity? Why are certain parts of these so-called audits - which only started in 1978 by the way - private? Even if a substantial part of its profits is paid back to the US Treasury why are stocks issued to its member private banks and 6% dividend paid to them? Who owns these banks? My guess is the same people that own Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, Morgan STanley Chase, Citigroup, Wells Fargo, JP Morgan. Ever wondered why it is a revolving door between Wall Street and
Washington?

The smoke and mirrors game being played here is simple: let government officials nominate members and talk big like politicians always do.
Then let the Fed governors go about their business, serving their shareholders - as they should.

Just because they give most of the profits to the Treasury, it doesn't mean that the Treasury owns the Fed or that the Fed is a government agency.

The Fed Reserve also isn't needed in the scheme of things as far as the money supply is concerned. The US fared well (1907 crisis nonetheless) prior to the introduction of the Fed in 1913 and I am sure it will continue to fare well if the Fed is abolished. To say that they Fed is needed lest the government becomes insolvent is frankly horsesh*t! JFK for example in 1963 (executive order 11110) bypassed the Fed and ordered the US Treasury to issue debt free United States notes to the tune of $4.5 billion.



And yes, money is indeed printed out of thin air - in the US and in virtually every country on earth. The gold backed monetary system was abandoned by the Nixon govermnment back in 1971 and replaced by the fiat system which in fact is the system adopted by all countries BUT since the dollar being the world reserve currency pegged to gold and now oil (Nixon/Saudi agreement) hence the birth of the petro-dollar.

..

You are set in your views and consistently fail to answer questions directly or possess the ability to differentiate between rhetoric and a direct question. There's no point really.

You still have failed to answer the question my dear.

Is Saudi Arabia threatening the U.S. or not?
Does Saudi Arabia have something to hide or not?
Would you like to get to the bottom of 911 or not?

You do not seem to find anything disturbing about this turn of events. To you, there is a rationale explanation or justification behind anything Uncle Sam does...

As to if $750 billion is what Saudi assets or investment amounts to in the US or whether they can make good on an "empty threat" and actually pull off a sudden divestment of these assets is besides the point. Do not digress the issue at hand by pointing out the "unlikeliness" of that happening.... The Saudis obviously are complicit in the events of 911...

Engage in an intellectually discourse for once and address the elephant in the room...Again, one can't take you seriously when you take a left turn and go crackpot conspiracy theory (reptilians and sh*t) in an attempt to avoid the question.. I believe the other chap once accurately summarized your MO and its holding true

ValerianSteel:
Saudi Arabia overtook Russia only in Defense Spending and not military strength.

Russia won't see the light of the day in a war with NATO I expect my brothers from the other side will quote me on this.

Then they should by all means attack Russia. I don't get all this posturing and chest beating from afar. All we hear is Russian aggression, Russian aggression!

It's a shame -and amusing really - how you guys attempt to discredit a fact as a conspiracy by citing other outlandish conspiracies as a counter argument. Is this the best you can do? Lol! Address the issue at hand squarely.

How did reptilians, Jews, the Rothschild - or any crackpot conspiracy you can muster whilst avoiding the question - get into this again? Who is talking about control in high places?

Is Saudi Arabia blackmailing the U.S. or not?
Pretty straight forward question.

Of course they can afford to snub the puppet that he is. They have him by the balls and a $750billion noose over his head.

America, all powerful and proud, made to eat the humble pie.

https://www.facebook.com/BenSwannRealityCheck/videos/1102373009827648/

Reality Check: Saudi Arabia Terrified of Release of "28 Pages" in 9/11 Report

Watch the video below.

Meanwhile the puppet Obummer is in Saudi Arabia as we speak to spend the next six days to beg the Saudi government and assure them of his cooperation not to release the evidence linking higher-ups in the Saudi government ( and consequently collaborators within the US and Israeli government) to 911.

The wishes of the evil, misogynistic Saudi regime trumps the wishes of Americans that are trying to get to the bottom of 911. Obummer promised transparency and honesty while campaigning. It seems his lords and masters have instructed otherwise.

What a sad turn of events.

https://www.facebook.com/BenSwannRealityCheck/videos/1102373009827648/

ebamma:
When i look at America, all i see is a country run by the moneyed class,
The didn't waste time in taking Iran to court, and giving a verdict of $10.5billion fine, for their role in a 9/11 the weren't involved in,

But since the Saudis have invested so much in the banks and major corporations that have many congressmen in their pockets, the are almost untouchable,

I won't be suprised, if the bill isn't passed.

The wish of patriotic Americans to get to the bottom of 9/11 has been trumped by the demands of a repressive, tyrannical country in the make of Saudi Arabia. The US government will lie that these classified information which I have no doubt will implicate several high ranking members of the Saudi government and spark a trail all the way to the uppper echelons of the US government, can't be released in the interest of "National security"

19 of the 21/22 hijackers were Saudis yet Amerika went on a bombing adventure in Afghanistan and Iraq and further destroying those countries.

The government of the people, by the people and for the people no longer holds true as its now obvious that the agendas and interests of the mega-corporations and special interest groups is all that matters now. The nature and talking points of the ongoing presidential campaign further reinforces this reality.

The Land of the Free and Home of the Brave is no more

fineguy11:
tell us F@G,what will happen in january 2017.?

Killary would have been sworn in as president and then proceed to kicking Russia's butt as Obama has woefully failed in that department. Well, all I can say is, if several cities in Europe and the United States are ready to be reduced to radioactive dust, by all mean sir, by all means!

Sanctions are falling short of the desired objectives - and time is running out; provocations aren't getting them Ruskies to act irrationally; Russia in the middle of all these even launched a military campaign; massive propaganda of "Russian aggression" and complicity in criminal acts is failing woefully - people just ain't buying it; Putin seems to always be several steps ahead of his Western counterparts in tact, decisiveness and strategy; and so on........

True, true, agbada don hook for barb wire

For Israel’s Sake The Israel Lobby Must Be Held To Account — Paul Craig Roberts

For Israel’s Sake The Israel Lobby Must Be Held To Account

Paul Craig Roberts

It was ten years ago that the London Review of Books published an article on the Israel Lobby by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt, distinguished scholars at two of America’s top universities. The following year the publisher, Farrar, Straus and Giroux found the courage to publish The Israel Lobby, a book with 357 overwhelmingly 5 star amazon.com reviews.

The Israel Lobby is an understated critique of the enomous influence that the tiny state of Israel, which consists of land stolen by fire and sword from the helpless Palestinians, exercises over United States foreign policy. The crazed Israel Lobby went berserk. Mearsheimer and Walt were demonized as anti-semetics who wanted to bring back Hitler.

Also in 2006 former President Jimmy Carter’s book, Peace Not Apartheid, was published by Simon & Schuster and became a New York Times bestseller with 846 overwhelmingly 5 star amazon.com reviews. Carter, who as US president did his best to bring Israel and Palestine to a settlement, truthrully explained that Israel was the barrier to a settlement. The Israel Lobby demonized Carter as an anti-semite, and the Jews on the board of the Carter Center resigned.

No member of the Israel Lobby has the stature and distinction of Mearsheimer, Walt, and President Carter. The Lobby’s operatives are people of no significance who make a living slandering, libeling, and trying to destroy the reputation of everyone who makes the slightest criticism of Israeli government policies.

This tells us that the Israel Lobby knows that Israel’s behavior is so atrocious that it cannot stand the slightest examination. We can criticize Moscow without being labeled “anti-Russian,” and we can criticize Washington without being labeled “anti-American,” but we cannot criticize Israel without being labeled an “anti-semite” and accused of wanting to restart the holocaust.

Nevertheless, just as the Gestapo was untruthful but effective, the Israel Lobby is untruthful but effective. The Lobby has established its hegemony over the US publisher, McGraw-Hill. The cowardly publisher was forced to burn its own books and to destroy all copies of a widely used textbook, Global Politics: Engaging a Complex World. The book had to be destroyed, because it contained accurate maps showing the transformation of Palestine from a land inhabited by Palestinians into a land occupied by Zionists, sprinkled with a few Palestinian ghettos.

These maps are available all over the Internet, and any remaining professors sufficiently brave to call them to the attention of students can refer students to the Internet. Here is the URL to an article by Lawrence Davidson about McGraw-Hill’s submission to censorship that contains the maps:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44487.htm

The behavior of the Israel Lobby indicates that far stronger criticism of the Lobby is warranted than supplied by Mearsheimer, Walt, and President Carter. In 2007 the Lobby was able to reach into a Catholic University, DePaul, and overturn the decision of the tenure committee to award tenure to Norman Finkelstein, a distinguished Jewish scholar of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, who was declared by the Lobby to be an enemy of Israel. The craven cowardice of the DePaul University president, administration, and trustees indicates the power that the Lobby is so proud to have but consistently denies having.

In 2015 the Israel Lobby was able to reach into the University of Illinois and have rescinded the tenured appointment extended to Steven Salaita and accepted by him. Salaita resigned his tenure at Virginia Tech and sold his home, only to have his appointment resinded by University of Illinois chancellor Phyllis M. Wise and the university trustees, who apparently were offered large monetary donations to the university in return for reneging on the university’s contract with Salaita. Salaita had tweeted some criticism of the Israeli government’s behavior, and this transformed the scholar into an anti-semite.

Of all the countries in the world, only Israel cannot be criticized, not even by experts on the basis of established facts. This kind of power is illegitimate and unconscionable. The fact that American universities and publishers submit to it indicates the death of free speech and academic inquiry in the United States.

The Lobby’s power is a danger to Israel. The Lobby’s reliance and that of the Zionist government on force majeure alienates the rest of the world, but creates a hubristic sense of invulnerability in Israel itself. The pride that Israeli politicians express in their ability to control US foreign policy and the pride that the Lobby enjoys in its influence over US academic appointments, journalism appointments,and decisions of textbook publishers leads to an arrogance that eventially over reaches. In the meantime Israel is busy at work eliminaing friends whose constructive criticisms are intended to save Israel from a future of woe and misery. The result for Israel will be isolation.

Brilliant article. America's hubris and brinkmanship captured masterfully in one article. Too bad they didn't put in a word or two about Sep 911 but that alone we know is an entire book.

Great job guys! Really all I need do is sit back and enjoy the show. Lol!

Missy89:
Underground

You should have hanged on to your self proclaim victory when you think you have it.

First if what you wrote is what you call a rebuttal. I cant help but laugh hard.

1. I don’t understand how working for new york times and Boston globe makes a journalist incorrigible (By the way, aren’t these the same mediums you and your crew always cite as propaganda outlets? or are they propaganda only when they say what you don’t like?

2 Again, the first line of Orton's argument reads "While President Obama said Assad must “step aside” in August 2011" He quoted a NY times editorial ( reputable according to you) to point out that Obama never had the intention of going all into Syria because of the US over investment in the Middle east. And even pointed out that Obama told Iraqi PM ( who has ties with Iran) that the US has no intention to intervene militarily. But in your "rebuttal" the only thing you did was quote the same thing Orton said (Assad must “step aside” in August 2011) without supporting it with how Obama has been working day and night to implement the policy and you only ended up humoring yourself

3 You claimed his number was probably fictitious, yet you did not support your argument with the "probable correct number". Then you went on a Libya, WMD, NATO, empire agents and Viagra rant and try to make your point by assuming correlation equals causation

4. Now this is the most funny one of your so called "rebuttal".

Orton was talking about March/April's cease fire plan by Annan. You are quoting the peace plan of February which is not even true

You claim Russia in February proposed a three-point plan, which would bring the Syrian government and opposition to the negotiation table and result in Assad stepping down as president. US, Britain and France rejected that proposal, being convinced that fall of Assad's government was inevitable.

A line associated to Martti Ahtisaari. But you left out the part where this claim cant be verified and there is no shred of evidence to prove it was true. You should read the next sentence from where you lifted that line or let me help you with the whole article here where diplomats pointed out why the claim is not even logical

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/15/west-ignored-russian-offer-in-2012-to-have-syrias-assad-step-aside

Orton's article clearly was talking about how Kinzer was blaming the US for the failure of the April cease fire even thou it was broken by Assad in Houla on May 25

So the only thing you did here is debunking yourself. and talking about an unverified incident that is irrelevant to the discourse

5. Orton was only doing the same thing you did. If you think his argument is invalid because he is a neo con. Apply the same logic to Kinzer. He only pointed out his second opinion bias


Congratulations on your hatchet job. Please try again

LWKMD! Like Nairaminted has already stated: no ves

Missy89:
What are the questions? MAKE THEM CLEAR AND PRECISE. And when i post a response dont go all conspiracy theory on me

HumbledbYGrace, mukina2 and co please close this thread seeing Missy89 is unable to answer the questions or mount a response to my rebuttal of Orton's rebuttal ramblings which she had presented as a "rebuttal" to what the Boston Global had published in concurrence to what an increasingly number of Western news media are now publishing or saying - together with the likes of Gobbard, Clark, Black, Biden, Dumas, etc.

These are all conspiracy theories -or worse, "Kremlin recruits"

Come on guys! This is a silly propaganda exploiting a mistake to fit a narrative for demonization.. Besides there is a difference between what a news broadcaster puts out (albeit in this case unknowningly false news) and the official stance of a government

Tony "Conman" Blair is one of the most revolting, repulsive, repugnant and repellent politician ever in the eyes of most British people. They feel he has turned the UK to the laughing stock of the western world. That he has weakened the country and turned it to the dumping ground for the trashiest individuals, scu.m of the earth and worst of humanity that have exploited the system to live in a western country undisturbed. That he has turned the UK into a puppet of Brussels just like he was a puppet of George Bush. That The UK due to its benefits culture, ridiculous human right laws and absurd health and safety laws - otherwise, popularly mocked as "elf and safety" - has become soft and allowed the likes of Abu Qatada; Abu Hamza; uneducated and unqualified eastern Europeans with criminal tendencies; British born Muslims of Asian ancestry who have stubbornly refused to fully imbibe the British culture and way of life and all sorts, unfettered access into the country and even worse, hard to kick them out - no thanks to the multicultarism and human rights agenda that he and his Labour party so aggressively pushed. They suspect that the only reason he is advocating that the UK stays in the EU is for selfish reason with such providing an opportunity for him to seek the presidency of the union - and further add to his and his wife's ever increasing portfolio and wealth.

The British see through his smokescreen and see him for what he truly is - lying, conniving, opportunistic fella. Wonder how many Africans do?

Missy89:
So wait, you want me to post the background of someone. Who wrote an article that was easily refuted by a neo con?

Isn't that counter productive?

I am sure u didn't read the link. He shredded steven with facts and he cited them.

So now I have read the link................................

Come on Missy! This what you call "shredding"? This is a rebuttal? Haba! You are actually not taking this Kyle Orton guy serious are you? Apart from his dodgy resume, I looked up his Twitter handle and I can tell you that he spends a considerable amount of time bashing Russia, Assad, Iran and anyone or any country whose stance is in opposition to the United States'. It's like he's obsessed with these topics.

Now, to the so called rebuttal he has written:

1. Introduction: According to him, Stephen Kinzer, a veteran journalist, including for The New York Times, who wrote in The Boston Globe,
and Jeffrey Sachs, an academic economist working at Columbia University, who wrote in The Huffington Post have both been recruited by the
Syrian government for the purpose of disinformation. Lol! Does he mean this literally or in context? In either case, you gotta applaud this
remarkable feat by the Syrian government and its allies by getting a journalist and an academic working for a top American
university and newspapers to pen this "disinformation" on behalf of the Syrian government.

2. A Matter of Framing: Mr Kyle Orton states that the US never sort "regime change" in Syria. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Honestly, I do not know whether to cry or laugh!
The US, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Britain, France have been singing the regime change tune from day 1! Stating how the "Assad regime" has "lost
its legitimacy", how the "Syria has no future with Assad in it", how the regime is "murdering his own people" and so on and on.Their exact
words; right from 2011 till now! As a matter of fact, just yesterday Obama repeated the call in the run up to the ongoing ceasefire agreement. Just what planet is this Mr Kyle Orton living on?!

"The US never sort regime change" Hahahahaha! At this point any reasonable person wouldn't continue reading this travesty of an article but just for the fun of it, I'll humour you.

3. Assad as Saviour: Mr Kyle Orton starts by quoting unsubstantiated (most probably fictitious) figures of the civilian casualties of
Russia's intervention and the "egregious" war crimes Russia has committed. Mr Kyle Orton - whom at this stage i conclude must be a raging
luna.tic - gives harrowing accounts of vile atrocities committed by the Iranian-run sectarian militia and other groups. Such sensational
stories we have learnt from past campaigns include totally fabricated accounts of how Libyan soldiers high on Viagra raped and killed women
when NATO "liberated" Libya ( of which Libya is in dire need of another round of "liberation" by the way ) and of course in Khan-Assal
(confirmed by a UN chief investigator, Del Pointe) and Ghouta in 2013 when the Syrian government was falsely accused of using chemical
weapons (rubbis.hed by Seymour Hersh, MIT, etc) - all now found out to be TOTALLY false.

What about other instances such as when some weeping girl posed as the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to Iraq and told a sensational
tale of how Iraqi soldiers pulled babies from their incubators, all part of the disinformation campaign and psychological warfare in the build
up to the Gulf War 1.0 and what about "Saddam has WMDs" spectacle in build up to the Gulf War 2.0?

The Empire and its agents would say and do anything as a pretext to bring about "regime change."



4. Shifting the Blame: Mr Kyle Orton tells a bold faced lie blaming the Syrian government for the dashed Kofi Annan lead peace process in 2012.

Missy89, in your desperation to win arguments, please at least take the time to vet the source of your news biko.


Haven't you heard of the "It was was an opportunity lost" phrase?
Russia in February proposed a three-point plan, which would bring the Syrian government and opposition to the negotiation table and result
in Assad stepping down as president. US, Britain and France rejected that proposal, being convinced that fall of Assad's government was
inevitable.

Then again in June 2012, Kofi Annan was able to draft a peace proposal setting up a "transitional government body with full executive
powers" comprising of members of the Syrian government and oppostion, which was supported by the US, UK and France but scuttled by Clinton herself inisisting that Assad couldn't be part of this transitional government.

Still on peace talks, guess what parties failed to show up at the last peace talks scheduled to hold a couple of weeks ago?


5. Lies and Delusion: Mr Kyle Orton ends this paragraph by attempting to label Mr Kinzer has borderline conspiracy theorist who is not to
be taken seriously by "serious people" by mentioning Mr Sachs's belief that JFK was assassinated by “hardline” elements of the U.S.
government. . Lol! Irrelevant, distracting and cheap!

About the constitents of these rebels, I won't even waste time on this. Have you already forgotten even how just a few days before the
RUssian intervention the head of the US Central Command General Lloyd Austin, while appearing before a US Senate's Armed Forces Committee
and asked about the so called moderates the Pentagon and CIA were training said, "We're talking four or five." Everyone knows that the
majority of these so called rebels are foreign backed proxy fighters. Nairaminted has provided several links about their origins, their
backers and their alliance with (or defection to) other jihadist groups. Mr Kyle Orton names reporters who have been on the ground in Syria
who have given a narrative that contradicts Mr Kinzer's. What about the narratives of reporters such as Serena Shim and or Germany's
international broadcaster Deutsche Welle (DW) video report that ISIS is supplied not by "black market oil" or "hostage ransoms" but
billions of dollars worth of supplies carried into Syria across NATO member Turkey's borders via hundreds of trucks a day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akbfplUcjLU

What's more, the recently retired head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, Michael Flynn, has said that the Obama regime made a “willful
decision” to support ISIS and use ISIS against the Assad government in Syria. That the violence in Syria originated in a US/ISIS conspiracy
against Syria.


I don't see how Mr Orton has "dismantled" anything or anyone. Rather he has dismantled and ridiculed himself with his poor grasp of
historical events as far as the Syrian crisis is concerned and by his obvious obfuscation and twisting of the facts on ground to suit his agenda. The narrative on Syria is falling apart (a dam bursting at the seams as The Saker put it) and the Empire's foot soldiers are scrambling, desperately trying to salvage any remaining bit of false reality they can wield over the people.

You were better served refuting Stephen Kinzer and Jeffrey Sach yourself rather depending on a piece of jun.k, group think article from Kyle Orton. So now - at the 3rd time of asking - I await your rebuttal of Senator Black's, COngresswoman Gobbard's, former NATO Supreme Commander General Wesley Clark, and others' allegations - but I am not counting on it....