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Missy89:
Kinzer argument has been shredded to pieces by the "neo con" already. There is no need to start digging for his pay master. That will be an overkill

Maybe If he write something else.


Which one do u prefer?

"Maybe If he write something else."? Lmao......His background biko, Missy........Please

Besides, I do not see any shredding. How exactly? All I see is propaganda. Akin to "Russian Aggression", "Putin's billions", "Paedophile Putin", "Putin's missiles brought down MH17", "Putin ordered the disappearance of MH370", "Russia is bombing only the moderates" and so and so forth. Same ol' relentless, absurd propaganda from a myriad of so called investigative journalists and think-tanks...

His background...

vedaxcool:
Seeing the trashing he is recieving he need to summon scummy to chant Zionist zionist like broken record.

Calm down. What trashing? Don't see any here. Apparently people don't seat around the internet all day debating. I for instance can only find time mostly on weekends to check nairaland out.
Perhaps he's out, perhaps he's sleeping, perhaps he's busy, perhaps he's ignoring you. I don't see Appleyard around as well, do you? People have lives away from here brah.

Whilst we await the next round, I would really like you and Missy89 to refute the allegations (lies you call them) ofTulsi Gobbard, Joe Biden, Wesley Clark, Roland Dumas, Senator Black and all

Missy89:
Really?

How about you deal with his counter argument and not his resume? Tell me what is wrong with what he said. I am not interested on who he works for. I can easily dig up conflict of interests on steven kinzer as well. But I decided not to.

And what so u mean this is his thread? You should read his first post and tell me how many time he tagged me.

Are we not suppose to post our own understanding of events on threads anymore now?

This is a very weak argument.

Come on now

Of course his resume has everything to do with what he writes. Come on! In this case, he serves the goal of his neocon paymasters. It's that simple. You can't have the likes of Richard Perle, William Kristol and write anything contrary to their agenda. On that note please feel free to dig up conflict of interest on Kinzer and please do make sure you share.

That he tagged you also doesn't mean you have to reply him and on top of that, dictate how many posts he should make in a certain time.

Missy89:
Underground is here to give him moral support

On the contrary I am not. I can tell that he can handle himself just fine. I only aired my own views.

Missy89:
Really? Take it easy men. Seems like you are in over your head. I posted a rebuttal for ur article already.

Stop spaming the thread and post ur counter argument based on the link I gave you

Kyle Orton by the way - in the words of Paul Craig Roberts -is a presstitute who would write what his masters pay him to write. Have you even bothered to look up who is backers are and which of the think-tanks (in the mold of AEI, Brookings Institute, IRI, etc) he belongs to? He is an associate fellow with Henry Jackson Society.

Who are the Henry Jackson Society? Excerpts:

HJS is actually a little known but powerful right-wing British think-tank set up with the support of American neoconservatives, understanding begins to dawn.

Except, just how much influence HJS wields in policymaking circles is an open question, the fact that it is extremely well-connected with the financial, business, political, security and energy industry elite in the US and UK speaks volumes about their agenda and objectives.

While touting their support for freedom, liberalism and democratisation as their core organisational remit, in practice they appear to be a neocon trojan horse for the very opposite: state-expansionism, state-militarisation, interventionism, rampant market deregulation and privatisation in the interests of Western investors, coupled with anti-Muslim hostility and white supremacism.

Initial signatories to HJS' principles include William Kristol, James Woolsey, Richard Perle (all members of Project for the New American Century), and other hard core neo-cons.


This is Nairaminted's thread by the way...How is he spamming it for you?

Missy89:
Ultimate meltdown

How so? All he has done is provide numerous articles and videos buttressing, re-affirming, corroborating, cementing, etc the original article which is the massive war of disinformation which from the looks of things is falling apart.

Are you now going to refute the other reports and articles or you will wait till Kyle Orton pens a rebuttal of each one?

Help me out here, Missy89. You post an anti-Russian article detailing the "origins and motives of Russia’s current domestic and foreign behavior." Yet it's on record that you have declared your support for Putin's actions in Syria.

So are you pro Russian as far as their actions in Syria go only but anti-Russian (or maybe Russophobic) in the grand scheme of things? What's the deal? Shed some light on this contradiction.

Secondly, if you are indeed in support of Putin's actions in Syria, why in Heaven's name are you picking up squabbles on several threads "refuting" what's been posted there as far as the events in Syria go? It just seems to me like your stance/message is incoherent and vacillating and you are just flailing all over all picking up fights that lead nowhere.

Are you going to "refute" what those US senators and congressmen/women, generals and intelligence officers, diplomats and journalists, etc have been saying about the origins of ISIS, their supporters and the need to withdraw support for this myriad of "rebel" groups and/or cooperate with Russia in Syria?

You guys are hilarious. From the way some of y'all be waxing lyrically and so passionately, I am sure Missy89 is wondering just what kinda online fray she has gotten herself into. She had better not bail though like the rest of her buddies in from the Anglozionist crew. Lol!

Missy, it is well. These niggas just be feening for ya.

The importance of these Chechen special forces fighting for Russia cannot be overstated cos these Chechens are Muslims which means they understand the culture and psyche of the Chechen wahhabi crazies that are fighting for ISIS.
If indeed they have managed to deeply infiltrate ISIS, this is would constitute a masterstroke.

By the way, great job you guys are doing in the struggle against the Empire’s propaganda machine!

Lol

Food for thought

Charlie Hebdo does it again.

The cartoon Charlie Hebdo shouldn’t have drawn


The heartbreaking image of the three-year-old Kurdish boy drew global attention to the plight of Syrian refugees and became a symbol of the global crisis, but now the iconic image has been twisted by stirring cartoonists.

- Not enough bombs to bomb Daesh but apparently enough to bomb Syrian government forces and Syrian infrastructure.
- Flatly refusing to acknowledge that Turkey is a major smuggler and financier of stolen Iraqi and Syrian oil despite the overwhelming evidence.
- Announcing 15/16 months ago that that their aim is to degrade and ultimately defeat ISIS but yet within those months, ISIS has seized more territory such as Palmyra. Those territorial gains were rolled back ONLY when Russia intervened.

And so on and on.....

We know who is really fighting terror and we can't be deceived any longer...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/21/opinion/saudi-arabia-an-isis-that-has-made-it.html?_r=2

Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/11/21/opinion/21daoud/21daoud-blog427.jpg

Black Daesh, white Daesh. The former slits throats, kills, stones, cuts off hands, destroys humanity’s common heritage and despises archaeology, women and non-Muslims. The latter is better dressed and neater but does the same things. The Islamic State; Saudi Arabia. In its struggle against terrorism, the West wages war on one, but shakes hands with the other. This is a mechanism of denial, and denial has a price: preserving the famous strategic alliance with Saudi Arabia at the risk of forgetting that the kingdom also relies on an alliance with a religious clergy that produces, legitimizes, spreads, preaches and defends Wahhabism, the ultra-puritanical form of Islam that Daesh feeds on.





Wahhabism, a messianic radicalism that arose in the 18th century, hopes to restore a fantasized caliphate centered on a desert, a sacred book, and two holy sites, Mecca and Medina. Born in massacre and blood, it manifests itself in a surreal relationship with women, a prohibition against non-Muslims treading on sacred territory, and ferocious religious laws. That translates into an obsessive hatred of imagery and representation and therefore art, but also of the body, unclothedness and freedom. Saudi Arabia is a Daesh that has made it.

The West’s denial regarding Saudi Arabia is striking: It salutes the theocracy as its ally but pretends not to notice that it is the world’s chief ideological sponsor of Islamist culture. The younger generations of radicals in the so-called Arab world were not born jihadists. They were suckled in the bosom of Fatwa Valley, a kind of Islamist Vatican with a vast industry that produces theologians, religious laws, books, and aggressive editorial policies and media campaigns.

One might counter: Isn’t Saudi Arabia itself a possible target of Daesh? Yes, but to focus on that would be to overlook the strength of the ties between the reigning family and the clergy that accounts for its stability — and also, increasingly, for its precariousness. The Saudi royals are caught in a perfect trap: Weakened by succession laws that encourage turnover, they cling to ancestral ties between king and preacher. The Saudi clergy produces Islamism, which both threatens the country and gives legitimacy to the regime.


One has to live in the Muslim world to understand the immense transformative influence of religious television channels on society by accessing its weak links: households, women, rural areas. Islamist culture is widespread in many countries — Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Mali, Mauritania. There are thousands of Islamist newspapers and clergies that impose a unitary vision of the world, tradition and clothing on the public space, on the wording of the government’s laws and on the rituals of a society they deem to be contaminated.

It is worth reading certain Islamist newspapers to see their reactions to the attacks in Paris. The West is cast as a land of “infidels.” The attacks were the result of the onslaught against Islam. Muslims and Arabs have become the enemies of the secular and the Jews. The Palestinian question is invoked along with the rape of Iraq and the memory of colonial trauma, and packaged into a messianic discourse meant to seduce the masses. Such talk spreads in the social spaces below, while up above, political leaders send their condolences to France and denounce a crime against humanity. This totally schizophrenic situation parallels the West’s denial regarding Saudi Arabia.


All of which leaves one skeptical of Western democracies’ thunderous declarations regarding the necessity of fighting terrorism. Their war can only be myopic, for it targets the effect rather than the cause. Since ISIS is first and foremost a culture, not a militia, how do you prevent future generations from turning to jihadism when the influence of Fatwa Valley and its clerics and its culture and its immense editorial industry remains intact?


Is curing the disease therefore a simple matter? Hardly. Saudi Arabia remains an ally of the West in the many chess games playing out in the Middle East. It is preferred to Iran, that gray Daesh. And there’s the trap. Denial creates the illusion of equilibrium. Jihadism is denounced as the scourge of the century but no consideration is given to what created it or supports it. This may allow saving face, but not saving lives.

Daesh has a mother: the invasion of Iraq. But it also has a father: Saudi Arabia and its religious-industrial complex. Until that point is understood, battles may be won, but the war will be lost. Jihadists will be killed, only to be reborn again in future generations and raised on the same books.

The attacks in Paris have exposed this contradiction again, but as happened after 9/11, it risks being erased from our analyses and our consciences.

And all that is "hidden" shall be revealed ONE DAY..

Here is the moment Joe Biden (whom I believe suffers from flashes of senility) even lashed out at Turkey and the UAE for sponsoring ISIS as reported by CNN itself...

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/05/politics/isis-biden-erdogan-apology/

Vice President Joe Biden apologizes to Turkey, UAE

Erdogan's comeuppance will surely come. This is a megalomaniac who has facilitated the activities of the murderous and evil Daesh/IS and whose son and daughter run IS's illicit oil trade and healthcare services respectively. Russia is absolutely within its rights to target those Turkmen that allow these trade and atrocious activities continue across the border. Erdogan is just ma.d that Russia is bombing his beloved "moderate terrorists" and destroying his lucrative business.

It is also possible that the Turkish military in all honesty couldn't identify the downed Russian plane ( just a small possibility) since Erdogan is actually using officers within the Turkish intelligence services to carry his nefarious activities. Erdogan has however systematically purged the military of officers that stand in the way of his plans.

Over the next couple of days/weeks, these are the possible scenarios that could play out:

1. Erdogan may be cra.zy (and desperate) enough to shoot or attempt to shoot down another Russian plane which I have no doubt in my mind that Putin this time around -despite his cautious and cool demeanour - will respond in kind by shooting down a Turkish jet (Failure to do so will be a big blow to Russia's prestige). If this happens, you can bet that Turkey and NATO will make a big issue out of it, protest and demonize Putin and perhaps slap more sanctions BUT just like in the case of a Russian jet being shot down in the first incident, that would be the end of it! It won't lead into a major hot war between NATO and Russia - at least not for now.


2. Erdogan conducts himself properly and refrains from shooting down or attempting to shoot down anymore Russian jets. However he will double down on his support for ISIS in order to suck Russia deeper into an untenable Syrian quagmire.

In either case, Russia will stay the course and will slowly but surely (despite increasing casualties)help the legitimate Syrian government recover territory lost to ISIS. All this happening as Russia also engages in asymmetric warfare by hitting Turkey where it really hurts - tourism (already happening), arming the PKK, covert assassinations, etc.

Again, I must stress that Russia will only respond with force if another Turkish aircraft poses an immediate threat to Russian aircraft. So those you that have been busy flaying all over the forum goading admirers of Putin and trying to score cheap points by stressing at every turn that Putin has failed to responded in kind, will remain sorely disappointed. The best revenge Putin can administer at the moment is to continue to bomb ISIS and their facilitators into oblivion. Putin will remain cool, calm and focused. He has in fact played a fantastic card by asking Turkey to join the anti ISIS coalition. Should Turkey fail to do so, it shall be laid bare for the whole world to see whose side Turkey is


By the way, I don't understand the hypocrisy when folks on here state that the Russian pilots were warned several times by the Turkish authorities when Turkey itself has violated Greek airspace, as of this morning, over 2244 times this year alone. Turkish, American, Canadian, French, etc planes have also violated Syrian and Iraqi airspace with abandon as well. I don't see anyone pointing that out!

Missy89:
Yes



How is Russia on the path to victory exactly?

The SAA is taking over territory one village/town at a time ever since the Russian intervention started. Also Turkey is throwing a fit cos it's lucrative black market crude oil business it has with ISIS is being blown to bits hence the blatant provocation.

Losers lash out..

Missy89:
If Russia can it should, But will that really happen?

I don't catch your drift. Are you saying that the stakes are too high hence Russia wouldn't do something as siilly as shooting down planes unauthorized to fly in Syrian airspace? No, they won't - expect if such a craft poses a direct and immediate threat to the Russians. They aren't gung-ho like Americans

I trust Putin to be a smart, pragmatic and patient man. There will be no brash reaction; rather he will could hit Turkey where it really hurts - tourism (already happening), arming the PKK, covert assassinations, increased and no holds barred bombardment of these Turkmen looneys and their black market crude oil lifeline, etc.

Russia is already on the right path to victory and Erdogan is sorely mistaken to think this outrageous provocation will get Putin to do something stu.pid or ostentatious to show just how "tough or fearless" he is.

So if you have been rubbing your palms in glee expecting to see Russia draw in more troops into a Syrian quagmire or the break out of a hot war between Turkey and Russia - and NATO consequently - I am afraid you'll be sorely disappointed.

vedaxcool:
Syria is a failed state habouring isil and other terrorists while at the same time inviting terrorists to kill its citizens. Russia should shoot down any plane and see how it gets what is coming to it.

Lol! My goodness.

My apologies for chatting you in the first place. My mistake. Lol!

vedaxcool:
Turkey should continue shoot down any violator. Putin cannot be supporting a murderer and butcher and still have the audacity to poking the eyes of others. Whatever Putin intends to do he should look closely at the soviet union and remember how mere cavemen brought down such abomination with ease no sophisticated weapons.

"Violator"? cos Turkey said so?

What about Israel, Turkey, US, UK, France etc that have been violating Syrian airspace all this while? Should Russia aid Syria and shoot those down as well?

vedaxcool:
Putin how market?

Rejoicing in the shooting down of an aircraft fighting extremists? Oh well....

The next hours and days may unfortunately be memorable in the worst possible way. May cool heads prevail.......

Turkey knows perfectly well that that aircraft presented no threat to Turkey. It was shot down because it was attacking ISIL terrorists operating in Syria and near to the Turkish border. Turkey shows which side it is on.

Let's see if these s.illy Charlue Hebdo guys will make a caricature of the recent Paris attacks. Karma is a b*tch ain't it?

Your thoughts Charix

Missy89:
I sent them to you already.

911 might be a flase flag, my point is no truther has the whole truth maybe bits and pieces so i wont take any theory they present as irrefutable prove. Some of their theories are just too ridiculous. Some believed that the plane that crashed to the buildings were holograms.

Hahahahaha! Yea those! Makes the whole thuther movement look s.i.lly and lose credibility.

Well, like any movement, no matter how noble, expect the crazies to pitch in as well! Lol!

Appleyard:
I quite agree with you. It was clearly a false flag, and as people try to put the pieces together, mistakes and incorrect assessment and analysis are bound to be made.
Infact, however way you want to look at it, every theory regarding the event sounds probable and seems to fit in one way or the other, though we may never know the real deal that marks the catastrophy of that day.

Exactly, the only people that can truly and completely connect the dots are the perpetrators themselves. They can tell us for sure what was used to bring down the towers. How long in advance they had been placed there. They can explain to us the true connections between the myriad of companies that are somehow connected to the the Trade Centers, the security at the airports, the radar management of the airports especially on the day of the attacks when war games were being held, etc.

The amount and years of planning and effort that was put into pulling off 911 is enormous and it is mind boggling that till now, NO ONE that was directly or indirectly involved in its execution within the military, intelligence or private sector - and from the agents within the planes themselves to those within Pentagon to those at the radar stations at the airports to those that rigged the buildings for demolition to those that secured the crime scenes afterwards - has slipped or turned! It's either the elite at the very top who pulled the strings have diabolical powers or the actors involved were compartmentalized (hence no single person can explain 911 in its entirety) in their assignments and executed afterwards.

The bottom line is 911 is obviously a false flag operation.
Truthers in their quest to piece together the events of that day and the actors behind those events, will undoubtedly be off the mark in some of their analysis. It's easy to point out holes in some analyses such as thermites (or some other material entirely used separately or alongside the termite to bring down the towers in a controlled manner) since it's hard to prove that it was indeed used in light of the debris being carted away.

Will be expecting the links.

Missy89:
Interesting. But do you know the truther community already pointed out errors and holes in her story a while back?

From the phone calls on ground to transponder being turned off to remote pilots and thermite taking down the buildings none of which she has responded to convincingly. Many great stuffs out there about the 911 false flag but Roth's work isnt one of them

What holes? The presence of thermites has been convincingly proven by the works of Steven E Jones and Robert Gage in the past.
The unbelievable coincidences that Roth has unveiled is hard to ignore.

Besides this supports Nairaminted's theory

You have to stop whatever you are doing and listen to this. All I can say is God bless this woman - and keep her cos I fear for her life

Missy89 Nairaminted Appleyard mazeltov Truthpallbearer ALISMILE thoth



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdP95oSoOFk

charix:
1. You're doing it now.
2. You want peer-reviewed sources? Give me half a day starting tomorrow.

Yes. Spending too much time on the internet blurs our perspective on reality - the internet becomes a second world to us where emotions escape unconsciously, thus why trolls exist; they believe people take the internet too serious. Multitudes of examples exist here where people's day gets destroyed by stringing together lines of text.

No, I am not offended by you. By Charlie Hebdo though, I was. I actually tried to stir your emotions & get u offended --and then rubbish your theory-- by the toss in a bin comment. You, I must say excelled in the test.

Anyway, to me getting offended has nothing to do with how many hours spent on the Internet. Rather it's a reflection of your core beliefs or value system.

charix:
Stop trying to sound deep, you'd only confuse yourself while talking in circles. Yes, I've seen disturbing things on the internet but I don't babble over how they ruined my day. I shrug it off as man's evil nature at work. Remember the religion you practice speaks of evil too, yes?

Still you haven't confirmed your theory: getting offended easily = spending to much time on net.

Simple yes or no.

I am agnostic.