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@realtol

"the truth that set men free is for the most part the truth men prefer not to hear"

thanks for your excellent question.

please,please ,  read everything. i took my time to put this down. i do not knw if God chose this forum to guide u or anyone, and thats why i try so hard to make ppl see the truth. luv most of your comments.

firstly let me address your question. the "sunna" goes along with what is called "hadith". most often they infact are one and thesame.
the "sunna" in arabic simply means "way of or course of conduct". As regards muhammad, it simply means the way he lead his life as a muslim. However it must be noted that the socalled sunna of muhammad were inventions by the muslim scholars some 250yrs after the death of the prophet. he never imposed or praccticed such things reported in such books like "hadith" which reports his way of life. not all muslims believe in sacalled sunna, and those of us who do not accept it are the most hated in the community of islam. it amazes me how ppl choose to follow the words of men over the word of God(quran). the quran never imposed all this restrictions( long beards, degrading women to the level of masqurade etc.).  today the muslims have become the most intolerant creatures on earth simply because they chose to follow man-made teachngs that promote violence.  The quran affirms that the prophet was our parfect xmple in his conduct according to the quran. God says he abided by the quran. infact the quran forbade accepting teachings outside the quran. see verses below

"Shall I seek OTHER THAN GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed THIS BOOK FULLY DETAILED? , The word of your Lord is COMPLETE, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words; He is the hearer, the omniscient. Yet, if you obey the majority of people, they will take you away from the path of God. That is because they follow CONJECTURE, and they fail to think." (sura  An’am ch- 6, v 114-116)

"They insist upon following conjecture, when the guidance is given to them herein from their Lord." (sura  At-Tur  ch- 53, v 23)
How  is it  that  those  who  read the Quran can’t  really  understand  the  words  of  GOD, from  the above  you  can  clearly  see  that  Allah  says  that  if  you  follow  the  majority  of  people, they  will  lead  you  astray, because  they  are  not  following  strictly  Allahs  command(Quran),  they  follow  assumptions, conjectures(Hadith), and they  fail  to  think.

Allah  prohibits  the acceptance  of  any  hadith apart  from the  Quran:

“Such  are the  signs  of  Allah,  which  We  rehearse  to  thee  in  truth:  then in what  other  Hadith(exposition)  will  they  then  believe  after  Allah  and  His signs?  Woe to  each  sinful  imposter.”  (sura   Jathiya   ch -45, v 6-7)

"Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all the things God has created? Does it ever occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which HADITH, besides this (Quran) do they believe in?"( 7:185)

"God has revealed herein the BEST HADITH; a book that is consistent and points out both ways (to heaven and hell). The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for God's message. Such is God's guidance; he bestows it upon whomever He wills. As for those sent astray by God, nothing can guide them." (39:23 )

"Let them produce a HADITH like this (Quran) if they are truthful."( 52:34 )
"Which HADITH other than this do they uphold?" (77:50 )


God  forbade the  prophet  from  uttering  anything  outside  of  the  Quran, infact if he ever said anything outside the quran he will face retribbution:

“That  is verily  the word  of  an  honoured  messenger;  it  is  not the word  of  a poet: little  do  you  believe!  Nor  is  it  the  word  of  soothsayer:  little  do  you  receive  admonition. This  is  a  message  sent  down  from  the  Lord  of  the Worlds. And  if  the  messenger  were to  invent  sayings  in  our  name, We should  certainly  seize  him  by  his  right hand, And  We  should certainly  then  cut-off  the  artery  of  his  heart:  Nor  could  any  of  you  withhold  him  from  our  punishment.” (sura  Al- Haqaat  ch-69, v 40-47)

“And  their  purpose  was  to  tempt  you  away  from  that  which  We  had  revealed(Quran)  unto  you,  to  substitute  in  Our  name  something  quite  different: (in  that  case) behold!  They  would  certainly  have  made  you(their)  friend!  And  had  We  not  given  you  strength, thou  would  have  nearly  inclined  to  them  a little. In  that  case  We  should  have  made  you  taste  double  portion(of  punishment)  in this  life,  and  equal  portion  in  death:  and  moreover  you  would  have  found  none  to  help  you  against  Us!” (sura  Isra  ch-17, v  73-75)


pls reltol, use your own logic here. do u think this same person(muhammad) would have done anything outside the quran. the socalled "sunna and hadith" were concocted to defame him and islam. they are transgrsssions agaist his person.  let me cite some of the narrations in this scalled divine books so u be the judge if it can ever be something this xmplary person would have done. see below, i will quote from the socalled sahih(uthentic) ones, that is  sahih Bukhari.

At the outset, please know that a great scholar of Islam, Ubaidullah Sindhi concedes, "I cannot teach Bukhari hadith to any youngster, or to a non-Muslim because of shame" (Preface to Ilham-your-Rahman). Let’s explore why he said this…

Mahmood bin Rabe narrates, “I still remember when I was five years old, the Holy Prophet rinsed his mouth and then poured the water into mine” (Kitabul Ilm vol.2, hadith 77). Could the Exalted Prophet hold any human being at that level of inferiority?

Aisha said to the Prophet, “Won’t you rather graze your camel onto a tree whose leaves have not yet been grazed?” Arwa bin Zubair said that Aisha meant she was the only virgin the Prophet had married (Bukhari, Book of Nikah 3:55).

The Prophet disapproved of his companion Jabir’s plan to marry a widow and asked, "Why did you not marry a virgin so that you played with her and she played with you?" (reference same). The Holy Prophet was extremely compassionate to widows and divorced women.

After the fall of Khyber, people described the beauty of Safia Bint Hui, the new bride of a slain enemy soldier. The Prophet chose her for himself. On the way to Madina he stopped and had intercourse with her. His companions did not know if she was a wife or a concubine. Later, a veil was drawn between her and the men-folk and they came to know that she was a wife (Bukhari, Book of Sales and Book of Nikah 3:59). Elsewhere, the narrator of the wicked story states that Safia was initially given to Wahia Kulbi, but because of her beauty, the Prophet chose her for himself, and asked Wahia to pick another woman. An important reminder: The Qur'an (47:4) ordains that prisoners of war are to be freed either for ransom or as an act of kindness. There is no third option. How could the Prophet and his holy companions enslave human beings?

The Prophet said, “Bad luck, misfortune and doom can exist in a wife, a home and a horse” (Bukhari, Book of Nikah 3:60).

“After my time, the greatest tribulation for men will be women” (Bukhari, Book of Nikah 3:61).

The Prophet said to a man, "I make you the owner of this woman because you can recite some Surahs of the Qur'an" (Bukhari, Book of Nikah 3:69).

“A woman presented herself to the Prophet. He intently gazed at her from head to toe and then lowered his head” (meaning she did not interest him) (Bukhari, Book of Nikah 3:71).

Have you noted the degradation of women in the above five ahadith? Could these be the words and deeds of the Holy Prophet? The Qur’an testifies that the Exalted Prophet was the best in conduct (68:4) and a model for all mankind (33:21).

I saw that most of those entering the gate of hellfire were women (Bukhari, Book of Nikah 3:97).

"The Prophet ordered the killing of dogs (Bukhari, Beginning of Creation 2:247). Elsewhere it says the killing of all black dogs was ordered.

Note:  today  most  muslims over the world have  this  natural repulsion  or  distastefulness when ever  a  dog  is  around  them  because  they  have  been  made  to  believe  dogs  are  not a good companion they  are  dirty(Najis), and that Angels dont visit homes with dogs. But  infact  if  you read  the  Quran  you’ll  see  that  Allah  HIMSELF  spells  out  the need  to  appreciate dogs. It is interesting to know that dogs are mentioned in the Quran 5 times, not just once, 7:176, 18:18, 18:22 (three times). NO WHERE does God call the dogs dirty animals or give any indication that they should be avoided or treated the way many Muslims think they should. Actually the story of the people of the cave, in Sura 18, gives the indication that we should appreciate them.  The people of the cave, 3, 5 or 7 were mentioned in the Quran and every time God insists on letting us know that their dog was there with them. Their story can be as complete without the mention of the dog, but God did, Why ? this ppl of the cave were righteous ppl, so tell  me does it mean that the angels never visit them?

there are hundreds of xmples fo draw from but let me end here. As u can see this can't be the words or deeds of the exalted messenger of God muhammad.
There are consequencies when u abandone the words of God(Quran) for the words of men(hadith and sunna). 

Remember what moses commanded the jews in the "Torah(old testament)";

(Deutronomy 4:1) Hear now, O Israel, the decrees and laws I am about to teach you. Follow them so that
you may live and may go in and take possession of the land that the LORD, the God of
your fathers, is giving you.
(Deutronomy 4:2)Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract
from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you.

however , many years after the death off moses, the jewish rabbis began to collect oral traditions falsely attributed to moses, this are called the "mishnah".  later the rabbis added their commentaries called the "Gemarrah", together this book is called the "Talmud". just like the hadith and sunna.  they calim without the talmud they can't understand the "torah". today the talmud takes precedence over the torah.  words of men(talmud) over the words of God(torah).

But God is merciful, so he sends another prophet,   Jesus  with the Gospels.  this is what jesus said, ,

(Acts 2:22)"Men of Israel, listen to me: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you
by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you
yourselves know.

here is what happened, ,  when the jewish scholars asked jesus why his diciples did not follow the oral traditions(mishnah).

(Mark  7: 6-13) He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: " 'These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.
You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men."
And he said to them: "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!
For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother, and, 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'But
you say that if a man says to his father or mother: 'Whatever help you might otherwise
have received from me is Corban' (that is, a gift devoted to God), then you no longer
let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your
tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that."

their respose to jesus was to persecute him , infact they even killed him by crucifying him. just because he commanded the jews to follow the words of God and do away with the words of men. thus christianity was established.

unfortunately, soon after his death, a man named paal or Tarsus began proclaiming a very different message. That jesus "came him and was in the form of God, but emptied himself and was in the form of a servant, being born in the likeliness of men.
in other words jesus was God. pauls gospel was very different from jesus' gospel. paul taught that "jesus died for our sins, thus protecting us from the wrath of God".

in the year 325 A.D.  christian scholars(priests  e.t.c) convene at Nicene conference to decide what christianity was going to be like. The outcome of the meeting officially deified jesus against his will.  today jesus' gospel is fragmented, thus incomplete.

they chose to follow the words of men over the words of God. if they only realised what jesus meant when he said,

(matthew 7: 21-23)"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of God, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

even when God sends the last prophet, muhammad with the Quran the same thing happened. 250 yrs after his death, they started compiling what they called the sunna and hadith,  yes,  they also did the same thing.  fortunately the quran is still intact, and indeed the words of God. it can be proven to be words of God from all angles, but ppl rather follow the words of men. so it is upto ppl to either follow the word of God and gain his mercy or follow the words of men and gain retribution. its their choice.

note: there is a tiny jewish sect who are most hated for upholding only the words of God, just like some muslims who chose only to follow the quran. i can assure you, me following the quran alone never made me popular.


So my dear Realtol, there you have it.

plese visit the following thread, "reassessing our faiths".  ppl don't wanna comment there cos it speeks the truth, pls do.  i think it is on the 5 or sixth page now, i don't knw, but pls. if u need any more info on anything concerning islam or christianity, pls feel free to ask.

i just want u 2knw there is God and i can prove that scientifically to u. we don't have to follow religion blidly even when some thigs soud so illogical and absurd to us. God is not illogical, and that is why He gave us the knowledge of science so we may better know Him.

@realtol

i made a post to u, but the moderators deleted it. maybe cos they afraid of the truth.
but anyways i'll repost it again. i thot wisely wen i decided to save it, cos it is really important and educating.

@mushin


sorry if i hurt your feelings in anyway. i truly apologise.
the truth is i can't just sit and watch ppl propagate what they think is islam, which is infact the reason the non-muslims always have something to say about islam. they think that these corrupt practices that ppl propagate is islam. i am not the author of the verses i cited. God is. if u do not agree with them , then i don't knw what to say,

i don't trade insults, cos i believe ppl who do that do it out of ignorance. u don't have to ingnore me cos i am saying the truth, but rather ignore me cos that's what u feel like doing.

no problem, if u wanna trade emails so we can share facts, then no qualms. however when i make comments on this forum, i do not do so cos of a particular group, but rather for all who are interested in the truth of the issue.

peace on you, ! sincerely.

@realtol

"the truth that set men free is for the most part the truth men prefer not to hear"

thanks for your excellent question.

please,please , read everything. i took my time to put this down. i do not knw if God chose this forum to guide u or anyone, and thats why i try so hard to make ppl see the truth. luv most of ur comments.

firstly let me address your question. the "sunna" goes along with what is called "hadith". most often they infact are one and thesame.
the "sunna" in arabic simply means "way of or course of conduct". As regards muhammad, it simply means the way he lead his life as a muslim. However it must be noted that the socalled sunna of muhammad were inventions by the muslim scholars some 250yrs after the death of the prophet. he never imposed or praccticed such things reported in such books like "hadith" which reports his way of life. not all muslims believe in sacalled sunna, and those of us who do not accept it are the most hated in the community of islam. it amazes me how ppl choose to follow the words of men over the word of God(quran). the quran never imposed all this restrictions( long beards, degrading women to the level of masqurade etc.). today the muslims have become the most intolerant creatures on earth simply because they chose to follow man-made teachngs that promote violence. The quran affirms that the prophet was our parfect xmple in his conduct according to the quran. God says he abided by the quran. infact the quran forbade accepting teachings outside the quran. see verses below

"Shall I seek OTHER THAN GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed THIS BOOK FULLY DETAILED? , The word of your Lord is COMPLETE, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words; He is the hearer, the omniscient. Yet, if you obey the majority of people, they will take you away from the path of God. That is because they follow CONJECTURE, and they fail to think." (sura An’am ch- 6, v 114-116)

"They insist upon following conjecture, when the guidance is given to them herein from their Lord." (sura At-Tur ch- 53, v 23)
How is it that those who read the Quran can’t really understand the words of GOD, from the above you can clearly see that Allah says that if you follow the majority of people, they will lead you astray, because they are not following strictly Allahs command(Quran), they follow assumptions, conjectures(Hadith), and they fail to think.

Allah prohibits the acceptance of any hadith apart from the Quran:

“Such are the signs of Allah, which We rehearse to thee in truth: then in what other Hadith(exposition) will they then believe after Allah and His signs? Woe to each sinful imposter.” (sura Jathiya ch -45, v 6-7)

"Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all the things God has created? Does it ever occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which HADITH, besides this (Quran) do they believe in?"( 7:185)

"God has revealed herein the BEST HADITH; a book that is consistent and points out both ways (to heaven and hell). The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for God's message. Such is God's guidance; he bestows it upon whomever He wills. As for those sent astray by God, nothing can guide them." (39:23 )

"Let them produce a HADITH like this (Quran) if they are truthful."( 52:34 )
"Which HADITH other than this do they uphold?" (77:50 )


God forbade the prophet from uttering anything outside of the Quran, infact if he ever said anything outside the quran he will face retribbution:

“That is verily the word of an honoured messenger; it is not the word of a poet: little do you believe! Nor is it the word of soothsayer: little do you receive admonition. This is a message sent down from the Lord of the Worlds. And if the messenger were to invent sayings in our name, We should certainly seize him by his right hand, And We should certainly then cut-off the artery of his heart: Nor could any of you withhold him from our punishment.” (sura Al- Haqaat ch-69, v 40-47)

“And their purpose was to tempt you away from that which We had revealed(Quran) unto you, to substitute in Our name something quite different: (in that case) behold! They would certainly have made you(their) friend! And had We not given you strength, thou would have nearly inclined to them a little. In that case We should have made you taste double portion(of punishment) in this life, and equal portion in death: and moreover you would have found none to help you against Us!” (sura Isra ch-17, v 73-75)


pls reltol, use ur own logic here. do u think this same person(muhammad) would have done anything outside the quran. the socalled "sunna and hadith" were concocted to defame him and islam. they are transgrsssions agaist his person. let me cite some of the narrations in this scalled divine books so u be the judge if it can ever be something this xmplary person would have done. see below, i will quote from the socalled sahih(uthentic) ones, that is sahih Bukhari.

At the outset, please know that a great scholar of Islam, Ubaidullah Sindhi concedes, "I cannot teach Bukhari hadith to any youngster, or to a non-Muslim because of shame" (Preface to Ilham-ur-Rahman). Let’s explore why he said this…

Mahmood bin Rabe narrates, “I still remember when I was five years old, the Holy Prophet rinsed his mouth and then poured the water into mine” (Kitabul Ilm vol.2, hadith 77). Could the Exalted Prophet hold any human being at that level of inferiority?

Aisha said to the Prophet, “Won’t you rather graze your camel onto a tree whose leaves have not yet been grazed?” Arwa bin Zubair said that Aisha meant she was the only virgin the Prophet had married (Bukhari, Book of Nikah 3:55).

The Prophet disapproved of his companion Jabir’s plan to marry a widow and asked, "Why did you not marry a virgin so that you played with her and she played with you?" (reference same). The Holy Prophet was extremely compassionate to widows and divorced women.

After the fall of Khyber, people described the beauty of Safia Bint Hui, the new bride of a slain enemy soldier. The Prophet chose her for himself. On the way to Madina he stopped and had intercourse with her. His companions did not know if she was a wife or a concubine. Later, a veil was drawn between her and the men-folk and they came to know that she was a wife (Bukhari, Book of Sales and Book of Nikah 3:59). Elsewhere, the narrator of the wicked story states that Safia was initially given to Wahia Kulbi, but because of her beauty, the Prophet chose her for himself, and asked Wahia to pick another woman. An important reminder: The Qur'an (47:4) ordains that prisoners of war are to be freed either for ransom or as an act of kindness. There is no third option. How could the Prophet and his holy companions enslave human beings?

The Prophet said, “Bad luck, misfortune and doom can exist in a wife, a home and a horse” (Bukhari, Book of Nikah 3:60).

“After my time, the greatest tribulation for men will be women” (Bukhari, Book of Nikah 3:61).

The Prophet said to a man, "I make you the owner of this woman because you can recite some Surahs of the Qur'an" (Bukhari, Book of Nikah 3:69).

“A woman presented herself to the Prophet. He intently gazed at her from head to toe and then lowered his head” (meaning she did not interest him) (Bukhari, Book of Nikah 3:71).

Have you noted the degradation of women in the above five ahadith? Could these be the words and deeds of the Holy Prophet? The Qur’an testifies that the Exalted Prophet was the best in conduct (68:4) and a model for all mankind (33:21).

I saw that most of those entering the gate of hellfire were women (Bukhari, Book of Nikah 3:97).

"The Prophet ordered the killing of dogs (Bukhari, Beginning of Creation 2:247). Elsewhere it says the killing of all black dogs was ordered.

Note: today most muslims over the world have this natural repulsion or distastefulness when ever a dog is around them because they have been made to believe dogs are not a good companion they are dirty(Najis), and that Angels dont visit homes with dogs. But infact if you read the Quran you’ll see that Allah HIMSELF spells out the need to appreciate dogs. It is interesting to know that dogs are mentioned in the Quran 5 times, not just once, 7:176, 18:18, 18:22 (three times). NO WHERE does God call the dogs dirty animals or give any indication that they should be avoided or treated the way many Muslims think they should. Actually the story of the people of the cave, in Sura 18, gives the indication that we should appreciate them. The people of the cave, 3, 5 or 7 were mentioned in the Quran and every time God insists on letting us know that their dog was there with them. Their story can be as complete without the mention of the dog, but God did, Why ? this ppl of the cave were righteous ppl, so tell me does it mean that the angels never visit them?

there are hundreds of xmples fo draw from but let me end here. As u can see this can't be the words or deeds of the exalted messenger of God muhammad.
There are consequencies when u abandone the words of God(Quran) for the words of men(hadith and sunna).

Remember what moses commanded the jews in the "Torah(old testament)";

(Deutronomy 4:1) Hear now, O Israel, the decrees and laws I am about to teach you. Follow them so that
you may live and may go in and take possession of the land that the LORD, the God of
your fathers, is giving you.
(Deutronomy 4:2)Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract
from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you.

however , many years after the death off moses, the jewish rabbis began to collect oral traditions falsely attributed to moses, this are called the "mishnah". later the rabbis added their commentaries called the "Gemarrah", together this book is called the "Talmud". just like the hadith and sunna. they calim without the talmud they can't understand the "torah". today the talmud takes precedence over the torah. words of men(talmud) over the words of God(torah).

But God is merciful, so he sends another prophet, Jesus with the Gospels. this is what jesus said,

(Acts 2:22)"Men of Israel, listen to me: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you
by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you
yourselves know.

here is what happened, , when the jewish scholars asked jesus why his diciples did not follow the oral traditions(mishnah).

(Mark 7: 6-13) He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: " 'These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.
You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men."
And he said to them: "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!
For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother, and, 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'But
you say that if a man says to his father or mother: 'Whatever help you might otherwise
have received from me is Corban' (that is, a gift devoted to God), then you no longer
let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your
tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that."

their respose to jesus was to persecute him , infact they even killed him by crucifying him. just because he commanded the jews to follow the words of God and do away with the words of men. thus christianity was established.

unfortunately, soon after his death, a man named paal or Tarsus began proclaiming a very different message. That jesus "came him and was in the form of God, but emptied himself and was in the form of a servant, being born in the likeliness of men.
in other words jesus was God. pauls gospel was very different from jesus' gospel. paul taught that "jesus died for our sins, thus protecting us from the wrath of God".

in the year 325 A.D. christian scholars(priests e.t.c) convene at Nicene conference to decide what christianity was going to be like. The outcome of the meeting officially deified jesus against his will. today jesus' gospel is fragmented, thus incomplete.

they chose to follow the words of men over the words of God. if they only realised what jesus meant when he said,

(matthew 7: 21-23)"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of God, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

even when God sends the last prophet, muhammad with the Quran the same thing happened. 250 yrs after his death, they started compiling what they called the sunna and hadith, yes, they also did the same thing. fortunately the quran is still intact, and indeed the words of God. it can be proven to be words of God from all angles, but ppl rather follow the words of men. so it is upto ppl to either follow the word of God and gain his mercy or follow the words of men and gain retribution. its their choice.

note: there is a tiny jewish sect who are most hated for upholding only the words of God, just like some muslims who chose only to follow the quran. i can assure you, me following the quran alone never made me popular.


So my dear Realtol, there you have it.

plese visit the following thread, "reassessing our faiths". ppl don't wanna comment there cos it speeks the truth, pls do. i think it is on the 5 or sixth page now, i don't knw, but pls. if u need any more info on anything concerning islam or christianity, pls feel free to ask.

i just want u 2knw there is God and i can prove that scientifically to u. we don't have to follow religion blidly even when some thigs soud so illogical and absurd to us. God is not illogical, and that is why He gave us the knowledge of science so we may better know Him.

The below statements need no comment except that only a foolish mind can accept them as coming from the wisest man the planet has ever known.

Azan, (the call to prayer), puts Satan to flight, expelling gas as he runs away (Bukhari Beginning of Creation 2:237).
Satan rests at night in your noses (Bukhari, Beginning of Creation 2:241).

A rooster sees angels, and a donkey sees Satan (Bukhari, Beginning of Creation 2:213).

Rats are the lost tribe of Israel because they drink not the camel's milk, but drink goat’s milk (Bukhari, Beginning of Creation 2:244). The camel was prohibited as a food source for the Israelites.

The below statements need no comment except that only a foolish mind can accept them as coming from the wisest man the planet has ever known.


Azan, (the call to prayer), puts Satan to flight, expelling gas as he runs away (Bukhari Beginning of Creation 2:237).
Satan rests at night in your noses (Bukhari, Beginning of Creation 2:241).

A rooster sees angels, and a donkey sees Satan (Bukhari, Beginning of Creation 2:213).

Rats are the lost tribe of Israel because they drink not the camel's milk, but drink goat’s milk (Bukhari, Beginning of Creation 2:244). The camel was prohibited as a food source for the Israelites.

@alloy-emeka

the reson the muslims don't all agree with each other is cos they have neglected the quran, and are following invented traditions which differ greatly in their teachings.

@zayhal

peace to you!

firstly i'd like to knw if u are a muslim or a non-muslim.
but my guess is that u are a muslim, cos the question u put forth with no offense, is the same question most ignorant muslims raise when ever u show them the verses where God tells us that the quran is complete and fully detailed and as such we should not find any other source outside of it.
pardon me, but the truth is, the reason all this muslims don't understand the quran is cos they don't really believe those verses. God says in the Quran the moment you habor any doubt about any verse in the quran, then u'll never have access to understanding it. there u have it, thats the reson millions of muslims have derailed from the teachings of quran.
before i answer your question let me cite the following verses,


[6:38]  All the creatures on earth, and all the birds that fly with wings, are communities like you. We did not leave anything out of this book. To their Lord, all these creatures will be summoned.


[6:114]  Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.



[18:57]  Who are more evil than those who are reminded of their Lord's proofs, then disregard them, without realizing what they are doing. Consequently, we place shields on their hearts to prevent them from understanding it (the Quran), and deafness in their ears. Thus, no matter what you do to guide them, they can never ever be guided.

plesase remember these are the words of God,the all mighty, all knowing. the greatest teacher of all.

     Muhammad Forbidden from Explaining the Quran

[75:16]  Do not move your tongue to hasten it.
[75:17]  It is we who will collect it into Quran.
[75:18]  Once we recite it, you shall follow such a Quran.
[75:19]  Then it is we who will explain it.


As u can see the explanation of the quran is by God himself. there is a verse whre God says all those who believe should wake up during part of the night and read the Qur'an and He God will give them the understanding of the Quran. i don't have the verse as am writting now, but i'll go thru the quran to find it and give it to u.
the xplanation of the quran is by God himself , this makes much sense because the wisdom and miraclous nature of the quran is perpetual, and not confined to a certain time. this xplains why things like the big-bag theory, the embryological stages, the invisible barrier btw salt and sweet water, and ultimately the mathematical coding of the quran where all discovered only when our level of thinking has developed well enough to understand them.
unfortunately the muslims have been decieved into thinking the quran is hard to understand, but easy if u consider the hadith and the tafsirs. however God said he maid it easy for all to understand. tell me, is it God u believe or the scholars who added innovations to the religion some centuries after the death of the prophet and are still doing so till date.

i swear by God the Quran is self explanatory. i am a scientist(engineer), and i believe in rational thinking(logic). thats why God made science the peak of human knowledge, so we may use it to better know him. unfortunately ppl take-in to different absurdities that defy common sense. they believe the illogicalities that are said to render the explantions to the quran.

Now let me address your Question,   if u read the quran carefully and intelligently, u'll agree with the following.

firstly God said the founder of islam is Abraham, this is strongly expressed even so that God commanded muhammad to follow the religion of Abraham, that is islam. Abraham is the founder of islam, contrary to what the majority of muslims knw. God throuhg out quran calls islam the religion of Abraham.

[2:130]  Who would forsake the religion of Abraham, except one who fools his own soul? We have chosen him in this world, and in the Hereafter he will be with the righteous.

     Submission (Islam): Abraham's Religion

[2:135]  They said, "You have to be Jewish or Christian, to be guided." Say, "We follow the religion of Abraham - monotheism - he never was an idol worshiper."

[3:95]  Say, "GOD has proclaimed the truth: You shall follow Abraham's religion - monotheism. He never was an idolater."

     Abraham: Original Messenger of Islam

[4:125]  Who is better guided in his religion than one who submits totally to GOD, leads a righteous life, according to the creed of Abraham: monotheism? GOD has chosen Abraham as a beloved friend.

[6:161]  Say, "My Lord has guided me in a straight path - the perfect religion of Abraham, monotheism. He never was an idol worshiper."

[12:37]  He said, "If any food is provided to you, I can inform you about it before you receive it. This is some of the knowledge bestowed upon me by my Lord. I have forsaken the religion of people who do not believe in GOD, and with regard to the Hereafter, they are really disbelievers.
[12:38]  "And I followed instead the religion of my ancestors, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. We never set up any idols beside GOD. Such is the blessing from GOD upon us and upon the people, but most people are unappreciative.

     Muhammad: A Follower of Abraham

[16:123]  Then we inspired you (Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham, the monotheist; he never was an idol worshiper.


The question any intelligent muslim or any person for tha matter should ask is; if Abraham is the founder of islam and muhammad is following is religion, then what practices did he contribute to islam?.  God lets us know in the quran that all rreligious duties(salaat,zakkat,hajj and so on) was handed to us via Abraham.

     Abraham: Delivered All
     Religious Duties of Submission (Islam)

[21:72]  And we granted him Isaac and Jacob as a gift, and we made them both righteous.
[21:73]  We made them imams who guided in accordance with our commandments, and we taught them how to work righteousness, and how to observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and the obligatory charity (Zakat).To us, they were devoted worshipers.

[22:78]  You shall strive for the cause of GOD as you should strive for His cause. He has chosen you and has placed no hardship on you in practicing your religion - the religion of your father Abraham. He is the one who named you "Submitters" originally. Thus, the messenger shall serve as a witness among you, and you shall serve as witnesses among the people. Therefore, you shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), and hold fast to GOD; He is your Lord, the best Lord and the best Supporter.

now u see why God never mentioned the way the contact prayers(sallat) is observed in the Quran. that is because the ppl of muhammad then did perform salaat, but they added innovations to it and they also added idolatary(shirk) by praying to God through such gods as; allat and manat, which were mentioned in the quran. however; anytime religion is been corrupted, God always sends a messenger to correct the ppls ways. thats what God did also in muhammad's case. if u look at Qura'an those parts that were corrected are mentioned. the corrections such as; ablution, no other entity should be mensioned in the presence of God, salaat(contact prayer) should not be in silence, all these are mensioned in the Quran. unfortunately the muslims do not follow, because the socalled hadith has obsecured their way of thinking, and they rather follow obey the words of men over the words of God.

And thats why u see in the very earliest suras,God commands the prophet to observe the salaat. so u see, it has been a tradition, so there was no need teaching something u already knw. but corrections where made. however go to the hadith, u will see the multiple fake account given there. an incident whre the prophet bargained with God over the units of the sallaat. As if God is not omnipotent and omniscient like we always sing. ppl dont know the meaning of this words.

let me give u a clear example; how does a yoruba native know his culture? does it have to be documented in book before he knows his culture? of course not! it is a tradition that has been passed down from generation to generation. similarly the salaat was very much the same. it is just like us today, we learn the salaat cos we met our parents doing it.

all the names of the salaat were mentiond in the Quran and also the specific times to observe them. i will give u that soon. for now see the following corruptions in the islam today.

1)adding muhammads name to the shadaat(proclamation of faith)
1)saying sallat in silence in the two noon salaat
3)wrong ablution

sorry i'll complete lata. got to go now

@olabowale

salaam!

"the truth that set men free are for the most part the truth men prefer not to hear"

really am sorry if any comment i make displeases u, but thats life. i am also a muslim, but the difference btw i and most other muslims is that i have found the truth. the truth been that all our acts of worship should be completely devoted to God alone. that is islam(total submission), no mension of any other entity when in the presence of God, just like God said in the Qur'an(sura 72:18).

[sura 72:18] “The places of worship belong to GOD; do not call on anyone else beside GOD”.

addressing your comment;

the hadith and sunna teachings are actually false attributions to the Prophet muhammad, he never witnessed such falsehood.
u don't have to take my word for it, but simply go find out when such traditions actually started. some 250 yrs after the death of the prophet, people began compiling teachings which they attributed to him.  infact, all u need to do is to really read this so called divine books yourself, and u'll come to know they never where from the prophet. more often than not the teachings in this traditions go against the teachings of God(quran).


the islam of today is so entrenched in this traditions that u can hardly know which is which. certainly what d muslims practice today is not exactly how the prophet practiced islam. the socalled hadith and sunna are responsible for the deviation. jsut like the jews, who neglected the torah for the socalled talmud(mishnah and Gemmerah).

the Qur'an vehemently prohibits following any other source for religious teachings other than the quran.
please Olabowale, consider this quranic verses and judge for yourself.

   

[sura  6:38]  All the creatures on earth, and all the birds that fly with wings, are communities like you. We did not leave anything out of this book. To their Lord, all these creatures will be summoned.

"Shall I seek OTHER THAN GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed THIS BOOK FULLY DETAILED? , The word of your Lord is COMPLETE, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words; He is the hearer, the omniscient. Yet, if you obey the majority of people, they will take you away from the path of God. That is because they follow CONJECTURE, and they fail to think." (sura  An’am ch- 6, v 114-116)

[sura 18:27]  You shall recite what is revealed to you of your Lord's scripture. Nothing shall abrogate His words, and you shall not find any other source beside it.

“Such  are the  signs  of  Allah,  which  We  rehearse  to  thee  in  truth:  then in what  other  Hadith(exposition)  will  they  then  believe  after  Allah  and  His signs?  Woe to  each  sinful  imposter.”  (sura   Jathiya   ch -45, v 6-7)

infact God forbade the prophet from uttering anything outside the Quran.

“That  is verily  the word  of  an  honoured  messenger;  it  is  not the word  of  a poet: little  do  you  believe!  Nor  is  it  the  word  of  soothsayer:  little  do  you  receive  admonition. This  is  a  message  sent  down  from  the  Lord  of  the Worlds. And  if  the  messenger  were to  invent  sayings  in  our  name, We should  certainly  seize  him  by  his  right hand, And  We  should certainly  then  cut-off  the  artery  of  his  heart:  Nor  could  any  of  you  withhold  him  from  our  punishment.” (sura  Al- Haqaat  ch-69, v 40-47)

form the above it is quite clear that only the Qur'an should be followed. however, some 250 yrs after the prophets death, people began collecting oral sayings which they atributed to him. just read the  socalled"sahih(uthentic) hadiths yourself, u see that they were concocted to defame him. they are blasphemies and transgression against him and the words of God(Qur'an).

the muslims do not do anything today as stated in the Quran(salaat,hajj,sayam,zakkat). today the muslims worship muhammad without knowing it, all because of this innovations. i know u would like to know more and even ask for some examples. no problem until then i will be hanging around.

i swear by Allah(God), it is easy to find out the truth, but why most ppl can't find it is, because of their ego.

i have written some articles, if u need them i can share. sallam!

@abuzola

i just wanna ask this, why is it that your approach is always edgy in a way? where did God ever say in the Qur'an that the arabs will be guided forever. God created all people(s) equally. you do not realise that the reason the muslims have deserted the quran and are holding on to man-made conjectures is because of the arabs. they are the ones who are responsible for the falsly attributed traditions to the prophet. infact, listen to the Qur'an and hear what it has got to say on your case.

firstly, God says on the day of judgment the messenger will say the muslims have abandoned the quran. which is exactly what has happened.

[25:30] The messenger said, "My Lord, my people have deserted this Quran."

God then goes on to tell us that if there are those who are likely to ignore the law of God(Qur'an), it will be no other than the arabs.


[9:97] The Arabs are the worst in disbelief and hypocrisy, and the most likely to ignore the laws that GOD has revealed to His messenger. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.

the arabs have succeeded in deluding the majority of the muslims into accepting things which has no basis in the Qur'an or islam.

@all the muslims
@all the non-muslims

yes! the muslim men and especially those in the northern Nigeria say they marry immature girls because they are following the footsteps of our beloved prophet, muhammad. Unfortunately, this incident is narrated in the hadith litteratures to have accured, muhammad marrying aisha at the age of 6, and finally their union was consummated and the age 9. see below;

"When the Prophet married Aisha, she was 6 years old, and the marriage was consummated when she was 9 (and he was 54) (Bukhari, Book of Nikah 3:75).

On the other hand, the Qur'an ties marriage to adulthood and mental maturity by declaring marriage a solemn covenant (sura Nisa ch-4:v 21). There is strong historical evidence contrary to Bukhari, but our Mulla(islamic teachers) loves nothing but trash of this kind. The Holy Prophet never did anything against the Qur’an.

over and over again, i try to prove to muslims that the socalled hadith and sunna was never from the prophet, they were concocted in many cases to defame him. unfortunately the muslims never see the truth and thats why u find many discrepancies in them. for example the Qur'an says the prophet never performed miralces and that the Qur'an itself is the miracle , on the other hand u haver all this hadith narrations of the prophet performing miracles. the hadiths contain so many myths which in the light of the Qur'an, all of them can be disproved.

@uplawal,

you say that the word "exposition" reffered to in sura jathiya(ch 45, v 6) does not mean hadith. then tell me what hadith means in english.

sorry to say this, but i suppose u have not read the arabic text yourself. just go throuth the arabic text and u'll see the word hadith there, and it clearly translates to exposition.

@abuzola,   u thot u have refuted the verses i qouted, which clearly forbids accepting teachings outside the quran. u ppl 4get one thing, "obeying the messenger" is per the quran. the quran came out of muhammads' mouth instructing we muslims to adhere stricly to the quran alone.
anyone with sense should ask himself this question, how come the socalled hadith and sunna of the prophet is never mensioned anywhere in the quran?

only those quranic verses are enough to prove to u dat the hadiths and sunna teachings where never from the prophet. but to further clear your arguments i will prove to u from your hadiths that they never where from the prophet. this attributions are actually isults,blasphemies,and transgression against him and the teachings of the quran.

just open a thread where we can rationally iron things out. also u called me a quranite, yes i don't mind been called that, as far as i know, it means i am following the words of God alone(Quran) as opposed to u who is following the words of men.
   

[6:38]  All the creatures on earth, and all the birds that fly with wings, are communities like you. We did not leave anything out of this book. To their Lord, all these creatures will be summoned.

i truly appreciate all of u, both the christians and muslims, but the way u promote ur idea of what religion is about is what i am against. i know it is not easy to filter through all the informations we have been indoctrinated to believe, but all that is required is just an open heart that is willing to listen and consider. i swear by Allah(God), if anyone can prove to me that the hadith is from the prophet in the light of the Quran, then i'll have no objection than to agree.
please also visit the following thread, "reassessing our faiths"

@muhsin
@abuzola
@all the "muslims

first of all let me introduce myself. my name is usama, and i am a muslim. normally i should be happy for such a thread used to promote what u think is islam, but really is not. i have visited most of the religious threads and have seeing how how slanderous the muslims and the non-muslims are at each other and it really disturbs me. this is because u all have paid little attention to yourselves. the xristians pose questions to u guys on the miracle the quran claims to be and u couldn't answer. then u run to this thread quoting hadith to be divine utterances of prophet muhammad. to cut the story short, the hadith was never from the prophet. the so called saheeh hadiths are actually an attack, transgression and blasphemies against the prophet. the hadith is from satan. satan knows that by following any other source for religious teachings outside the quran, this will constitute disobedience to God. in plain term, it will be idolatry(shirk), or associating other entities with God. the first ever hadith reported was some 250 yrs after the death of the prophet. now lets see whether the quran agrees with acceptance of any hadith or teachings outside of it. a thinking muslim should ask himself this question, how come throughout the quran not even a single reference to this so called hadith and sunna is mentioned? also remember the quranic verses which says that on the day on judgement the prophet will say to God "my followers abandoned the quran"(25:30).
any sane person who reads this verse should ask himself this, how do i know this has not happened yet?. well am sorry to say to u guys it has happened since a long time now, but unfortunately the muslims are oblivious to it just like the christians are unaware of theirs. i do believe that the quran is God's words, because i have been able to prove beyond doubt that it is. below are the verses that prohibit hadith or anything other than the quran.

"Shall I seek OTHER THAN GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed THIS BOOK FULLY DETAILED? , The word of your Lord is COMPLETE, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words; He is the hearer, the omniscient. Yet, if you obey the majority of people, they will take you away from the path of God. That is because they follow CONJECTURE, and they fail to think." (sura An’am ch- 6, v 114-116)

"They insist upon following conjecture, when the guidance is given to them herein from their Lord." (sura At-Tur ch- 53, v 23)

“Such are the signs of Allah, which We rehearse to thee in truth: then in what other Hadith(exposition) will they then believe after Allah and His signs? Woe to each sinful imposter.” (sura Jathiya ch -45, v 6-7)

"which hadith, other than this(Qur'an), do they uphold?(sur mursalat ch-77 , v 50).


to crown it up, God goes on to tell us that in fact the Qur'an is all we need, cos if He so wished He would have given us more than that. the verse below simply puts it in a term that those with brains would understand.

Say,"if the ocean were the ink for the words of my lord, the ocean will run out, before the words of my lord run out, even if we double the ink supply"(sura khaf ch-18, v 109).

unfortunately the muslims don't follow the Qur'an, and thats why they don't have access to understanding it. God says, the moment u deny a single verse of the Qur'an, then He will prevent u from further comprehension of it.

see(sura 18:57)

lastly:"surely, those who believe, those who are jewish, christians, the converts, anyone who,1)believes in God 2)believes in the hereafter 3) and leads a righteous life, will receive his recompense from their lord; they have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve."(sura 2:62 & sura 5:69)


it's shameful to see people promoting hadith and sunna, which is no different than the bible. As it contains more than enough contradictions and it goes contrary to the quranic teachings in many cases. if u notice, the times the xristians lash at u, they do that quoting hadiths. thats cos u can't find a single error in the Qur'an.

the muslims have been deceived just like the christians have been. your fate and faith is in your hands

there are one million and one things i have to say but i'll end here. i invite all sincere seekers to join the thread i will open soon, namely" reassessing our faiths"

i appologise if i hurt anyone's feelings. salaam!

@everyone on this thread. a challenge u to visit the following thread and seek the truth all ya have been yanking about.
"reassessing our faiths". yeah! that the name. abuzola invited, pilgrim.1 invited, vairo invited, in fact all are invited.
i am a muslim, but not the usual one most of u know. i also read the other scripures(bible, torah, vedas and geetas) too.

At some point in their  lives everyone capable of thinking is bound to ponder about the creation of themselves, of everything they see around them, and the existence of a creator. It is natural for people to ponder upon their origins and the purpose of their existence. For some,explanations provided to them by the religion they were born into are sufficient, while others might be satisfied with the theory that life evolved on the planet because of its particular circumstances. However, many people, including those who believe in religious doctrines or scientific theories, are doubtful, perhaps subconsciously, of the explanations provided to them. Although they entertain many unanswered questions in their minds, the majority of these people follow the crowd - suppressing their doubts and questions. Only a minority actively searches for the truth and tries to find answers to these age-old questions.
For many people the order, harmony and the perfect design of the things around them make it impossible to believe in the theory of evolution without  a designer. Thus, they feel like Professor Edwin Conklin who once said;
"The probability of life originating from an accident is comparable to the probability of the Unabridged Dictionary resulting from an explosion in a printing factory." Yet, when these people turn to religion, they realize that most of their questions are unanswered. Besides, there are so many different religious faiths, each preaching theirs to be the right way. This makes the choice extremely difficult.
Today all religions are nothing but various sets of traditions, rather than  facts s. Such corruption in religion has been caused by human ego and inventions that eventually distorted the truth for political and economic gain. Because of this, people who want to turn to the basics of religion are considered out of line with society.
Many of us feel that the questions in our minds about the existence of God would be resolved if we witnessed a miracle from God, similar to the ones performed by Moses(pbuh) or Jesus(pbuh) that we read about in the scriptures. We may also think that it is not really fair to our generation that God does not send down miracles any more. Yet, let us be serious. With all the scientific and technological advancements that we have today, who would believe in the ancient type of miracles such as healing the sick, or reviving the dead? It would be more logical for God to send down a miracle that is more compatible for the minds and the life styles of the people in this day and age.
The lack of a modern miracle contradicts the idea that God is the Most  Wise. It also gives the impression that God is not adaptable to our higher levels of thinking. Is God only capable of miracles for simpler, more ancient minds? Did God deliver His miracles to a few small generations, while our generation is greater in number, and there are larger generations to come?                        
We live in an age of science and computers. We consider ourselves intelli-gent beings who do not accept ideas which cannot be proven. On the other hand, we accept on faith many religious notions that defy common sense. We are proud of ourselves because we know more about science and technology than our parents and ancestors. We readily accept what is better and more advanced than what our parents have had. Yet, many of us do not hesitate to follow our parents blindly in religion, even if it means doing something we do not fully believe in.  For  most  people,  they  are  christians  because  they  were  born  into  christianity.  They  are  Muslims  because  they  were  born  into  islam. They  are jews  because  they  were  born  in judaism. As  such  man  is  made  to believe  that  the faith he  was  born into is the true  way  to  salvation.  Such  kind  of  belief  is  called  blind  faith. All this is because they fail to think and consequently are subject to error but are not willing to accept.

The peak of human knowledge is science. And it is my belief that God gave this knowledge to us for no other reason but so we can use it to better understand Him. unfortunately as man grew in knowledge, he became arrogant and then denies God, all this is because his ego is killing him while he is unaware of it. why then can't we apply this gift given to us by God to find the truth about Him. the reality is people don't really believe in God. Because if they do then at all cost you would get up and find the truth for yourself and not the unrealistic salvation preached to you.

The reason most people can't arrive at the truth is because they never ask themselves some fundamental questions in life, and this question has to do with the phrase, what if?

what if there is God,  what if He wants to be worshiped,  what if our fathers have been in error,  what if i am doing the wrong thing.  All this questions is how one can discover the truth for himself if he is honest.

if anyone of you has ever given much thot to how u ended up been a christian or a muslim today, then u'll come to know there is nothing special to it. God wanted it that way thats why. what makes one think that God has favored him over the other by making him a christian or a muslim. Do you think God is unjust?  in fact God is not at all. what people don't understand is that we all stand equal tests in the sight of God, be u a jew, christian or hindu or a muslim. you all keep claiming you are right while the other is wrong. tell something, if the christian missionaries never set foot in nigeria would most of you be christians today. the same goes for the muslim, if usman danfodio didn't come to nigeria or some how, would u have been a muslim today. so what makes u think one is better over the other. God wants us all to quest for the truth rather than blindly following religion, even when some things defy common sense, u are told to believe on faith. Do u thing God is an illogical being. No wonder he sets science for us as the standard to go by. use your head and dont be deceived.

The common test God has given all of us is to denounce idolatry(believing that anything or anyone beside God can benefit you). But the devil is aware of this, so he commits virtually all people towards that path. if the devil could deceive Adam and eve then i wonder who we think we are to be immune from satan's deceptions. The muslims are guilty of idolatry , the christians are also guilty of the same sin.  see verses below from the bible and the Qur'an that highlights this gross sin.

Bible:  (Deutronomy 6:5, matthew 22:37, Mark 12:30 and Luke 10:27)
in the verse above , jesus is clearly commanding the christians to worship God with all your heart, and all your soul, and all your mind and all your strength. this clearly is telling the christians, if they need salvation this is what they must do. jesus did not say worship me or any other entity, but God.
the truth is , 90% of the bible is actually the word of God, and in this 90% consistently you see jesus not at all claiming divinity , but instead ascribing all events to God. unfortunately, the 10% which is the word of the so called inspired men of God, who ascribe divinity to jesus is what the majority of christians have absorbed.this constitutes idolatry. you are idolizing jesus against his will. there's no where in the bible where jesus himself says i am God and that he should be worshiped. But those who don't desire the truth can't see that.

Qur'animran  3:18, baqara 2:285,  jinn 72:18)
For the muslims, this three verses suffices. in the first verse(3:18), God gives us the correct shahadah(proclamation of faith), but today the muslims have been tricked into putting muhammad's name next to God. how do u end up doing this, i'll tell u. your ancestors are responsible, but that does not negate the fact that you should seek truth. by adding a name besides God's name, this is flagrant idolatry. and thats why He teaches you the correct thing in the quran. the second verse(2:285), all  their lives, muslims recite this verse and yet can't adhere to it. in that verse, God says all his messengers(moses,noah,jesus,muhammad,solomon, etc) are all equal in his sight, and that no one should make any distinction amongst them. today muslims are tricked to believe mluhammad is God's favorite prophet, and besides why do u not add the other prophets names to the shahadah. this is violation of God's command. the third verse(72:18), commands the muslims that they should not call on any name besides God in the places of worship. but do the muslims really abide. they go to the mosque, they call God and then next to Him they put a human creature of his.they idolize muhammd against his will. how did all this happen?  certainly not from the Qur'an, because it has been confirmed to be God's words. The truth is, the so called hadith and sunna are the genesis of all this idolatrous innovations. the hadith and sunna were concocted by satan to make the muslims worship muhammad alongside God. and any muslim knows that shirk(idolatry) is the only unforgivable sin in the sight of God if maintained till death.

I am a man of science , and was born a muslim, but i dont practice my islam the way most muslims do, thats cos i didn't leave my faith and fate for others to decide for me. i had to find the truth and when God saw how earnestly i quested for an answer, He saved me from the bunch. but thats because i put tremendous effort in seeking the truth.

the reason people are divided today in the world, fighting and killing each other is all because of the human factor involved( jesus, moses, muhammad  etc). the moment we can look beyond that , people would be united through the worship of God alone and associating(idolatary) with  Him nothing else.

God did send a miracle to us in this age of scientific advance. And this miracle is embedded withing one of  the scriptures of God.this same miracle use to be embedded in other scriptures too, but since they are all now translations and the original one in its language can't be found. this miracle unlike the previous miracles is perpetual and can be observed in any generation. the bible talks about the miracle of jesus, moses and others, but today a lot of people deny it all because it can't be proved to have ever occured. the Quran too did talk about the miracle of jesus, moses and others, but this too can't be proven. so therefore, if their have to be a miracle in this age of scientific advancement, it has to be something that is compatible with our way of thinking and it has to be readily verifiable. i'll share with u this super human intelligence embedded in one of God's scriptures as the thread heats up.

I have studied the bible to some extent, not because i wanna make a mockery of it, but because i was questing for truth. the truth is there are christians and muslims who quest for truth, and God has guided them to unveiling the truth. such people have come to realise that neither  jesus nor muhammad should be worshiped alongside God. and such are the kinds of people God says in the Qur'an will be granted their recompense. All this patriarchs of faith, jesus , moses, or muhammad , should be reverenced as due but not over doing it to the point of idolatry. Remember jesus himself said in the bible, the road to heaven is narrow, while the road to hell is very wide. the quran also affirms that. it only takes little thought to realize that it will take much more than blind belief to go to heaven. your destiny is in your hand, just like they say.
i will end here, but there are still much to be ironed out but for now lets make this an introduction.

"Surely, those who believe, those who are jewish, the christians and the converts; anyone who  1)beleives in God  2) beleives in after life  3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord; they have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve" ( sura  2:62   &  sura 5:69)

@muhsin
@abuzola
@all the "muslims

first of all let me introduce myself. my name is usama, and i am a muslim. normally i should be happy for such a thread used to promote what u think is islam, but really is not. i have visited most of the religious threads and have seeing how how slanderous the muslims and the non-muslims are at each other and it really disturbs me. this is because u all have paid little attention to yourselves. the xristians pose questions to u guys on the miracle the quran claims to be and u couldn't answer. then u run to this thread quoting hadith to be divine utterances of prophet muhammad. to cut the story short, the hadith was never from the prophet. the so called saheeh hadiths are actually an attack, transgression and blasphemies against the prophet. the hadith is from satan. satan knows that by following any other source for religious teachings outside the quran, this will constitute disobedience to God. in plain term, it will be idolatry(shirk), or associating other entities with God. the first ever hadith reported was some 250 yrs after the death of the prophet. now lets see whether the quran agrees with acceptance of any hadith or teachings outside of it. a thinking muslim should ask himself this question, how come throughout the quran not even a single reference to this so called hadith and sunna is mentioned?   also remember the quranic verses which says that on the day on judgement the prophet will say to God "my followers abandoned the quran"(25:30).
any sane person who reads this verse should ask himself this, how do i know this has not happened yet?.  well am sorry to say to u guys it has happened since a long time now, but unfortunately the muslims are oblivious to it just like the christians are unaware of theirs. i do believe that the quran is God's words, because i have been able to prove beyond doubt that it is.  below are the verses that prohibit hadith or anything other than the quran.

[18:27] You shall recite what is revealed to you of your Lord's scripture. Nothing shall abrogate His words, and you shall not find any other source beside it.




"Shall I seek OTHER THAN GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed THIS BOOK FULLY DETAILED? , The word of your Lord is COMPLETE, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words; He is the hearer, the omniscient. Yet, if you obey the majority of people, they will take you away from the path of God. That is because they follow CONJECTURE, and they fail to think." (sura  An’am ch- 6, v 114-116)

"They insist upon following conjecture, when the guidance is given to them herein from their Lord." (sura  At-Tur  ch- 53, v 23)

“Such  are the  signs  of  Allah,  which  We  rehearse  to  thee  in  truth:  then in what  other  Hadith(exposition)  will  they  then  believe  after  Allah  and  His signs?  Woe to  each  sinful  imposter.”  (sura   Jathiya   ch -45, v 6-7)

"which hadith, other than this(Qur'an), do they uphold?(sur mursalat  ch-77 , v 50).


to crown it up, God goes on to tell us that in fact the Qur'an is all we need, cos if He so wished He would have given us more than that. the verse below simply puts it in a term that those with brains would understand.

Say,"if the ocean were the ink for the words of my lord, the ocean will run out, before the words of my lord run out, even if we double the ink supply"(sura khaf  ch-18, v 109).

unfortunately the muslims don't follow the Qur'an, and thats why they don't have access to understanding it. God says, the moment u deny a single verse of the Qur'an, then He will prevent u from further comprehension of it.

see(sura 18:57)

lastly:"surely, those who believe, those who are jewish, christians, the converts, anyone who,1)believes in God 2)believes in the hereafter 3) and leads a righteous life, will receive his recompense from their lord; they have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve."(sura 2:62   &  sura 5:69)


it's shameful to see people promoting hadith and sunna, which is no different than the bible. As it contains more than enough contradictions and it goes contrary to the quranic teachings in many cases. if u notice, the times the xristians lash at u, they do that quoting hadiths. thats cos u can't find a single error in the Qur'an.

the muslims have been deceived just like the christians have been. your fate and faith is in your hands

there are one million and one things i have to say but i'll end here. i invite all sincere seekers to join the thread i will open soon, namely" reassessing our faiths"

i appologise if i hurt anyone's feelings. salaam!

@rancetech. ppl like to brag just cos they can program using som high-level stuff, why not go down low. i.e. try ur hands on assembly language, dats where the real deal is. anyone who wants to get better at programming should learn some assembly lang, cos it lets u think better. assembly lets u understand what is going on within the computer itself, dats cos ur code is responsible for every step taking. all maths routines are done by u and not handled by somebody elses's code. underneath every compiler is always an assembler. what do u think most of ur OS is written in. it usually takes me two months to fully master any high-level lang, but i'v been writtin assembly for four yrs and still gives me headache. i come from the hardware background thats why i can't do without assembly. not all can learn assembly, but be sure it will improve ur coding. one advice for pure sotfware programmers, try using ur knowledge wisely. let me suggest two fields in which if u can master , then u are on ur way to the top. 1)data compression 2)crytography. try those, not some fake application that cant get u no where. naija suppose don pass all that level. we too get brain but we no won use am!!!

@aftatech, hope u are not trying to reverse engineer some licenced sofware . what da hell man, anywaz i don't blive in licencing. post ur email and u'll get a copy of win32dasm. cheers!!