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@muhsin

Salaam muhsin, hope u still remember me? yes its me, your good old pal,usisky. some time ago i was suspended from contributing to the forum by the moderators of the muslim section for no apparent reason. my guess is, the moderators did not like my own take on islam which aired-out. i just  decided to give my account a try and voila, its back on again. The only thing i got to say as i final word is this, God does not lead anybody to the truth of any matter, unless they themselves take a step toward that. the least i can do now muhsin is to share my email with u, this is so i can get some materials across to u, perhaps that will help in a way. i just don't understand why the muslims do not read the quran between the lines, how do they fail to see the quran warning that it will come to a time when ppl will abandon the teachings in the quran for man-made fabrications and conjectures. all u have to do to check yourself is look at what u practice against what the the quran commands, then see for yourself if u actually conform to it. the truth is, the muslims have long abandoned the quran for man-made fabrications called ahadith and or sunna. not more than some two centuries after the death of the prophet did such fabrications surface and then where attributed to the prophet. the arabs have long corrupted the religion before it came to us, and this fact is precisely prophesied in the infallible quran. i will just give u a few verses to ponder on using your intellect.


[17:36]  You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.

" ,  therefore congratulate my servants .They are the ones who examine all words, then follow the best. These are the ones whom GOD has guided; these are the ones who possess intelligence."[39: 17-18]


[9:97]  The Arabs are the worst in disbelief and hypocrisy, and the most likely to ignore the laws that GOD has revealed to His messenger. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.


[25:30] (On the day of judgment) The messenger will say, "My Lord, my people have abandoned this Quran."

"Shall we treat the muslims like criminals? what is wrong with your logic? How do you judge? Do you have another book that you apply? One that gives you anything you want?[68:35-38]

[6:112]  We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.


why would God allow ppl to fabricate lies attributed to every prophet when after they have delivered their message? the jews follow the conjecture called "mishnah and gemmarah" besides the torah revealed by God to mosses. the christians follow conjectures called gospels, which always starts with "according to", that is the third person perspective, meaning someone narrating supposedly what jesus said and did. it is only in the gospels that u find the authors with just their first names and nothing more. where in the world is a book accepted with only the first names of the authors, no where except in the bible. it was these same ppl that first mentionen jesus to be devine, where u have jesus continually saying he was a servant from God, and that all their acts of worship should be dedicated to God alone.this is even evident from the lords prayer that they sing all the time. but tell me, how many christians do u see keeping to jesus s' own words? non. how about the muslims? well they say we follow quran ,hadith and sunna, but in truth ,they do not even follow the quran.they follow the conjecture "hadith and sunna. this is evident from the many dilemma muslims find themselves in all the time.

God then gives the reason for the verse mentioned above,


[6:113]  This is to let the minds of those who do not believe in the Hereafter listen to such fabrications, and accept them, and thus expose their real convictions.

[50:45]  We are fully aware of everything they utter, while you have no power over them. Therefore, remind with this Quran, those who reverence My warnings.


In truth, all the religions have fallen victims of satans schemes. he has made all to commit to idolatry without even perceiving it at all.all of this people ,muslims, the christians the jews, all have one thing in common, they all say they believe in God alone.but they really do not do so without idolatry, and as a consequence are all destined for hell. the quran says it the bible says it.

[12:106] “The majority of those who believe in GOD do not do so without committing idol worship.”

so according to the above verse majority of believers in God are destined for hell, since according to quran, idolatry is the only unforgivable sin if maintained till death.


"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away
from me, you evildoers!'[matthew 7:21-23]

the above needs no comment. they have  made jesus the source of worship instead of God. he strongly warns them against doing so, but do they listen?

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.[matthew 7:13-14]

the metaphor above is quite clear, even though christians revere jesus so much and believe they have automatic salvation for believing in him, he still tells them that majority are going to hell.


all of these ppl. muslims, christians and jews will deny that they not committing idolatry, they deny in this life and will still deny it on the day of judgment. see  quranic verses below,

[6:22] “On the day when we summon them all, we will ask the idol worshipers, “Where are the idols you set up?”
[6:23] Their disastrous response will be, “By GOD our Lord, we never were idol worshipers.”
[6:24] “Note how they lied to themselves, and how the idols they had invented have abandoned them.”


the christian idolization of prophet jesus is much more obvious and pronounced than the muslims idolization of prophet muhammad. i will demonstrate that of muslims.

out of  muhammads mouth came the commandment of shahadaat(testimony of faith) approved by God, with only God mentioned in it, but the muslims decided muhammads named must be added.see verse below

[3:18]  GOD bears witness that there is no god except He(La ellaha ella allah), and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge. Truthfully and equitably, He is the absolute god; there is no god but He, the Almighty, Most Wise.

if God says this is his shahadaat, and even what the agels say, and u feel muhammad must be added, then u are not among the knowledgable(ullul ilm).

God says to us via muhammad, that ,the places of worship is for God alone so do not call on anyone besides God. do the muslims follow? NO. they call muhammad in azaan(call to prayer) , in tashahuud(sitting positions). this is idolatry without knowing it. most importantly, these commandments came out of muhammads mouth, meaning that is exactly what he adhered to.

[72:18]  The places of worship(masjid) belong to GOD; do not call on anyone else beside GOD.

[25:30] (On the day of judgment) The messenger will say, "My Lord, my people have abandoned this Quran."


there are countless of examples which i have stated here on this same forum, but it never mattered to most people,cos they are not really God fearing. the reason ppl have fallen satans victims , is simply cos they believe in following ancestors and tradition. this is clearly stated in quran. this is the complaint most ppl will give on that day.

[7:173] “Nor can you say, “It was our parents who practiced idolatry, and we simply followed in their footsteps. Will You punish us because of what others have innovated?”


people can't bear to hear God alone advocated, they must add their idol besides God before they become satisfied.unfortunately, this people they are idolizing beside God are not even aware that this is the case. little wonder God gave the following quranic verse as a reminder and a criterion to check ourselves.

[39:45]  When GOD ALONE is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter shrink with aversion. But when others are mentioned beside Him, they become satisfied.

[2:165] “Yet, some people set up idols to rival GOD, and love them as if they are GOD. Those who believe love GOD the most. If only the transgressors could see themselves when they see the retribution! They will realize then that all power belongs to GOD alone, and that GOD’s retribution is awesome.”

[matthew 22:37 ,mark 12: 29-30 ]29"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God,the Lord is one.Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'

FINALLY: MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION
In your mind, can God survive ALONE
Or, does God need Muhammad, in your mind, in order to be commemorated and worshiped
In your mind, can GOD ALONE survive?
Or, does God need a partner, in your mind, such as Muhammad, Jesus, Mary, or some saint(s)
Would you be perfectly happy and content if you knew about GOD ALONE, without Muhammad, Jesus, Mary, or any saint, or anyone, or anything?
Are you annoyed by talking about GOD ALONE?
When I keep talking about GOD ALONE, does this annoy you? Do you have to hear other names along with God? Can GOD ALONE survive in your mind?
When I repeat, and repeat, my talk about GOD ALONE, do you feel any repulsion? Or, are you happy and content with the talk about GOD ALONE Based on the Great Quranic criterion, as stated in 39:45, your answers to these questions provide the key to knowing yourself, and your destiny.

may God guide those who wish to be guided.

@muhsin

please moderators be fair, don't kick me out for no reason,i do not use fowl language neither do i throw insults. so pls be just. i only air my views , and they are open to criticism.

Salaam muhsin, hope u still remember me? yes its me, your good old pal,usisky. some time ago i was suspended from contributing to the forum for no apparent reason. my guess is, the moderators did not like my own take on islam which aired-out. i just  decided to give my account a try and voila, its back on again. The only thing i got to say as i final word is this, God does not lead anybody to the truth of any matter, unless they themselves take a step toward that. the least i can do now muhsin is to share my email with u, this is so i can get some materials across to u, perhaps that will help in a way. i just don't understand why the muslims do not read the quran between the lines, how do they fail to see the quran warning that it will come to a time when ppl will abandon the teachings in the quran for man-made fabrications and conjectures. all u have to do to check yourself is look at what u practice against what the the quran commands, then see for yourself if u actually conform to it. the truth is, the muslims have long abandoned the quran for man-made fabrications called ahadith and or sunna. not more than some two centuries after the death of the prophet did such fabrications surface and then where attributed to the prophet. the arabs have long corrupted the religion before it came to us, and this fact is precisely prophesied in the infallible quran. i will just give u a few verses to ponder on using ur intellect.


[17:36]  You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.

" ,  therefore congratulate my servants .They are the ones who examine all words, then follow the best. These are the ones whom GOD has guided; these are the ones who possess intelligence."[39: 17-18]


[9:97]  The Arabs are the worst in disbelief and hypocrisy, and the most likely to ignore the laws that GOD has revealed to His messenger. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.


[25:30] (On the day of judgment) The messenger will say, "My Lord, my people have abandoned this Quran."

"Shall we treat the muslims like criminals? what is wrong with your logic? How do you judge? Do you have another book that you apply? One that gives you anything you want?[68:35-38]

[6:112]  We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.


why would God allow ppl to fabricate lies attributed to every prophet when after they have delivered their message? the jews follow the conjecture called "mishnah and gemmarah" besides the torah revealed by God to mosses. the christians follow conjectures called gospels, which always starts with "according to", that is the third person perspective, meaning someone narrating supposedly what jesus said and did. it is only in the gospels that u find the authors with just their first names and nothing more. where in the world is a book accepted with only the first names of the authors, no where except in the bible. it was these same ppl that first mentionen jesus to be devine, where u have jesus continually saying he was a servant from God, and that all their acts of worship should be dedicated to God alone.this is even evident from the lords prayer that they sing all the time. but tell me, how many christians do u see keeping to jesus s' own words? non. how about the muslims? well they say we follow quran ,hadith and sunna, but in truth ,they do not even follow the quran.they follow the conjecture "hadith and sunna. this is evident from the many dilemma muslims find themselves in all the time.

God then gives the reason for the verse mentioned above,


[6:113]  This is to let the minds of those who do not believe in the Hereafter listen to such fabrications, and accept them, and thus expose their real convictions.

[50:45]  We are fully aware of everything they utter, while you have no power over them. Therefore, remind with this Quran, those who reverence My warnings.


In truth, all the religions have fallen victims of satans schemes. he has made all to commit to idolatry without even perceiving it at all.all of this people ,muslims, the christians the jews, all have one thing in common, they all say they believe in God alone.but they really do not do so without idolatry, and as a consequence are all destined for hell. the quran says it the bible says it.

[12:106] “The majority of those who believe in GOD do not do so without committing idol worship.”

so according to the above verse majority of believers in God are destined for hell, since according to quran, idolatry is the only unforgivable sin if maintained till death.


"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away
from me, you evildoers!'[matthew 7:21-23]

the above needs no comment. they have  made jesus the source of worship instead of God. he strongly warns them against doing so, but do they listen?

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.[matthew 7:13-14]

the metaphor above is quite clear, even though christians revere jesus so much and believe they have automatic salvation for believing in him, he still tells them that majority are going to hell.


all of these ppl. muslims, christians and jews will deny that they not committing idolatry, they deny in this life and will still deny it on the day of judgment. see  quranic verses below,

[6:22] “On the day when we summon them all, we will ask the idol worshipers, “Where are the idols you set up?”
[6:23] Their disastrous response will be, “By GOD our Lord, we never were idol worshipers.”
[6:24] “Note how they lied to themselves, and how the idols they had invented have abandoned them.”


the christian idolization of prophet jesus is much more obvious and pronounced than the muslims idolization of prophet muhammad. i will demonstrate that of muslims.

out of  muhammads mouth came the commandment of shahadaat(testimony of faith) approved by God, with only God mentioned in it, but the muslims decided muhammads named must be added.see verse below

[3:18]  GOD bears witness that there is no god except He(La ellaha ella allah), and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge. Truthfully and equitably, He is the absolute god; there is no god but He, the Almighty, Most Wise.

if God says this is his shahadaat, and even what the agels say, and u feel muhammad must be added, then u are not among the knowledgable(ullul ilm).

God says to us via muhammad, that ,the places of worship is for God alone so do not call on anyone besides God. do the muslims follow? NO. they call muhammad in azaan(call to prayer) , in tashahuud(sitting positions). this is idolatry without knowing it. most importantly, these commandments came out of muhammads mouth, meaning that is exactly what he adhered to.

[72:18]  The places of worship(masjid) belong to GOD; do not call on anyone else beside GOD.

[25:30] (On the day of judgment) The messenger will say, "My Lord, my people have abandoned this Quran."


there are countless of examples which i have stated here on this same forum, but it never mattered to most people,cos they are not really God fearing. the reason ppl have fallen satans victims , is simply cos they believe in following ancestors and tradition. this is clearly stated in quran. this is the complaint most ppl will give on that day.

[7:173] “Nor can you say, “It was our parents who practiced idolatry, and we simply followed in their footsteps. Will You punish us because of what others have innovated?”


people can't bear to hear God alone advocated, they must add their idol besides God before they become satisfied.unfortunately, this people they are idolizing beside God are not even aware that this is the case. little wonder God gave the following quranic verse as a reminder and a criterion to check ourselves.

[39:45]  When GOD ALONE is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter shrink with aversion. But when others are mentioned beside Him, they become satisfied.

[2:165] “Yet, some people set up idols to rival GOD, and love them as if they are GOD. Those who believe love GOD the most. If only the transgressors could see themselves when they see the retribution! They will realize then that all power belongs to GOD alone, and that GOD’s retribution is awesome.”

[matthew 22:37 ,mark 12: 29-30 ]29"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God,the Lord is one.Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'

FINALLY: MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION
In your mind, can God survive ALONE
Or, does God need Muhammad, in your mind, in order to be commemorated and worshiped
In your mind, can GOD ALONE survive?
Or, does God need a partner, in your mind, such as Muhammad, Jesus, Mary, or some saint(s)
Would you be perfectly happy and content if you knew about GOD ALONE, without Muhammad, Jesus, Mary, or any saint, or anyone, or anything?
Are you annoyed by talking about GOD ALONE?
When I keep talking about GOD ALONE, does this annoy you? Do you have to hear other names along with God? Can GOD ALONE survive in your mind?
When I repeat, and repeat, my talk about GOD ALONE, do you feel any repulsion? Or, are you happy and content with the talk about GOD ALONE Based on the Great Quranic criterion, as stated in 39:45, your answers to these questions provide the key to knowing yourself, and your destiny.

may God guide those who wish to be guided.

my email ad:  usisky1@yahoo.com

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@isale_gan2


"The truth that set men free, is for the most part the truth men prefer not to hear"

All truth passes through three stages:

1)firstly it is ridiculed
2)secondly it is violently opposed
3)and finally it is accepted as self evident


sallaam.

I want to answer your questions because i sensed some honesty in it.

firstly; all my beliefs are based on the quran(word of God). As a muslim(in the true sense), i believe the quran is the first source to be considered before even looking elsewhere. Now, if that is true, then what happens if the quran tells me that i should seek no other source for religious teachings outside of it. do i believe God or the men who fabricated lies against the prophet.


secondly; i do not belong to any sect whatsoever . i am one of those who have found the truth realizing that a true muslim should "submit" to God whole heartedly. Remember God warns us against divisions amongst ourselves. it was those who corrupted islam years after the prophet that began such thing as sectarianism in islam.

[6:159] Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with you. Their judgment rests with GOD, then He will inform them of everything they had done.

Everything i say is supported by quranic proofs. i do not take the word of any scholar or group of scholars over the word of God. i swear by Allah, Quran explains all we need to know and live by as human beings and muslims(submitter to God Alone). But those who do not believe God as per the Quran are blinded from the truth.

[18:54] We have cited in this Quran every kind of example, but the human being is the most argumentative creature.

thirdly; i am a nigerian. i reside in Abuja, nigeria, and i am also proudly Nigerian.

fourthly; the issue of shahadah. yes! u yourself confess that it is something we all have been duped into accepting as a pillar to accepting God in islam. it is not easy to just leave something you have been indoctrinated to accept right from childhood. But the truth is, anyone who strays out of the way of Quran, is by their own doing and not God's. Because God explains to us that we should all ponder on the quran, and He shall reveal the truth to those have an open heart for the truth. The shahadah that muhammad brought to us is clearly documented in the quran, unfortunately the muslims have been duped by "abu huraira" into accepting what is not quranic at all.

[3:18]  GOD bears witness that there is no god except He(La EllaHa Ellal Allah), and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge. Truthfully and equitably, He is the absolute god; there is no god but He, the Almighty, Most Wise.

All messengers before muhammad proclaim the same shahadah. Remember this is God teaching the Quran, not "abu huraira".

[21:25]  We did not send any messenger before you except with the inspiration: "There is no god except Me(La EllaHa Ellal Allah); you shall worship Me alone."

Sadly, today the teachings of "abu huraira", a mysterious person from the shadows of hadith literature,  has lead almost all the muslims worship muhammad alongside God against his will. people always tend to idolize the messenger after he has come and gone. Look at what the christians did to prophet Jesus for instance. jesus never taught any of those beliefs.

The Majority of Believers Destined for Hell

[12:106] The majority of those who believe in GOD do not do so without committing idol worship.

who are the majority? is the few like me who insists on Quran alone, without idolizing muhammad against his will or the vast majority who insists on commemorating muhammad alongside God.

Remember that shirk(idolatry) is the only unforgivable sin if maintained till death according to God in the quran.

The prophet never taught anything outside of the quran. the hadith were fabrications aimed at defaming him. the hadiths are blasphemous in nature. all u have to do is to study the contents of those literatures and u'll come to know what i am talking about. mind u, i am talking about the socalled sahih(authentic) hadiths.

Let me give u one good example of corruption in islam today. As u know in the muslim communities, its been taught that the dog is a dirty(najis) animal. therefore are not a good companion to have. also that the angels do not visit the homes of those who possess dogs. the hadith kept on narrating incidents where the prophet ordered the killing of dogs. But if u look at this in the light of the Quran however, u'll come to see a different thing entirely.

If  you read  the  Quran  you’ll  see  that  Allah  HIMSELF  spells  out  the need  to  appreciate dogs. It is interesting to know that dogs are mentioned in the Quran 5 times, not just once, 7:176, 18:18, 18:22 (three times). NO WHERE does God call the dogs dirty animals or give any indication that they should be avoided or treated the way many Muslims think they should. Actually the story of the people of the cave, in Sura 18, gives the indication that we should appreciate them.  The people of the cave, 3, 5 or 7 were mentioned in the Quran and every time God insists on letting us know that their dog was there with them. Their story can be as complete without the mention of the dog, but God did, Why ?

The story in the sura mentioned above(sura kahf  18), talks about a certain righteous people who denounced idol worship and sort out to live in a cave away from the society, so they could worship God alone(islam), as their people were all mushriks(idolaters).

I can write a book out of the corruption of today's islam, which has nothing to do with prophet muhammad. today's islam has degraded women, insulted the prophet and even blaspheme against God, like in the shahadah and also while observing contact prayer(sallaat). see below


[b]After the fall of Khyber, people described the beauty of Safia Bint Hui, the new bride of a slain enemy soldier. The Prophet chose her for himself. On the way to Madina he stopped and had intercourse with her. His companions did not know if she was a wife or a concubine. Later, a veil was drawn between her and the men-folk and they came to know that she was a wife (Bukhari, Book of Sales and Book of Nikah 3:59). Elsewhere, the narrator of the wicked story states that Safia was initially given to Wahia Kulbi, but because of her beauty, the Prophet chose her for himself, and asked Wahia to pick another woman. An important reminder: The Qur'an (sura Muhammad ch-47: v 4) ordains that prisoners of war are to be freed either for ransom or as an act of kindness. There is no third option. How could the Prophet and his holy companions enslave human beings? This  is  a  fat  lie.

The Prophet said, “Bad luck, misfortune and doom can exist in a wife, a home and a horse” (Bukhari, Book of Nikah 3:60).

“After my time, the greatest tribulation for men will be women” (Bukhari, Book of Nikah 3:61).

“A woman presented herself to the Prophet. He intently gazed at her from head to toe and then lowered his head” (meaning she did not interest him) (Bukhari, Book of Nikah 3:71).[/b]


Could all these be the deeds of our prophet muhammad. u are obliged to accept anyone or group as sincere, but note, the word of God precedes any other.

u can ask any question u wish. Remember, if u are already biased before approaching matters, then it becomes pretty difficult to see the truth.

may Allah guide us All.

@muneer

salaam!

firstly; i want u know that no Hadith or sunna can ever be equated to GOD's. the prophet muhammad adhered strictly to GOD's hadith(quran) alone. Remember that it is not i who warns against following teachings outside of the quran, but it is God Himself who says we should not.

Secondly; the socalled Hadith and sunna were never authorized by the muhammad. they were falsely attributed to him. it was years, at around  250 years after his death that wicked people(satan) began collecting these oral teachings called hadith and sunna. thats why when u read the hadith you alwaz hear the chains of narations go back as far as eight genrations across the dead before you finally get to muhammad. how is this possible, if it was something he himself attested to, it would not be narrated instead it will be a documented statement just like in the case of the quran. the fact that you here the narrations go as this; i heard so and so said the apostle said, ??
this shows that he was not even a witness to what is attributed to him. infact, the hadith is a transgression and a blasphemous attack on the greatness of prophet muhammad. i guess u have never taken your time to really ponder on such illogicalities documented in the hadiths. the prophet could never have done those things mentioned in the hadiths, he will never disobey God.

now look at what the God has to say about accepting teachings outside of Qur'an:


[6:38]  All the creatures on earth, and all the birds that fly with wings, are communities like you. We did not leave anything out of this book. To their Lord, all these creatures will be summoned.


[6:114]  Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.
[6:115]  The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.
[6:116]  If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of GOD. They follow only conjecture; they only guess.


[45:6]  These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith(Qur'an) other than GOD and His revelations do they believe?
[45:7]  Woe to every[b] fabricator[/b], guilty.

[18:27]  You shall recite what is revealed to you of your Lord's scripture. Nothing shall abrogate His words, and you shall not find any other source beside it.


God specifically says to muhammad to remind people using the Qur'an Alone. why did God not say warn with Qur'an and your Hadith. see below,

[50:45]  We are fully aware of everything they utter, while you have no power over them. Therefore, remind with this Quran, those who reverence My warnings.

It is important to note that all through the Qur'an God never talks about anything of the muhammd's hadiths or sunna. people justify following these mad-made sources by saying the quran says obey the messenger. they for seem to forget that obeying the messenger is infact obeying the Qur'an, because the quran came out of muhammad's mouth giving us all the reminders i have detailed above.

God told us why He infact allowed people over time to make such fabrications, both before and after muhammad. see below,

[6:112]  We have permitted the enemies of every prophet- human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.
[6:113]  This is to let the minds of those who do not believe in the Hereafter listen to such fabrications, and accept them, and thus expose their real convictions.


It worth mentioning here that even the hadith people follow forbids hadiths itself. see below

The prophet said" Do not write anything from me except the Qur'an"(Ahmed,vol.1,page 171, and Sahih muslim)


Also u made a comment to Abuzola, saying that , the enemy withing is much more dangerous. let me make things clear to u. i do not practice what u practice, so therefore i am not amongst u. my islam is far from what u call your own islam.  i only worship God alone, and also obey his commands alone. i do not idolise the prophets(jesus, muhammad, moses etc) agaist their will. i do not idolise te socalled saints either. so as u can see, u can not possibly say i practice what u practice, so therefore i am not withing.

I do not know how else to admonish people, but all u have to do is read the quran earnestly and also read the socalled hadiths using your "sixth sense" the truth will reveal itself to u if that is what u quest for, if God wills.

Sallaam.

@lagosboy

do not hesitate. when the time is right i will summon u. am kind a really engaged dis days dat i hardly have time on the forum. but do not be mad at me for not turning up. God is in control of all things. when d time is right u will hear from me. for now just read the following verses, if Allah wishes, He will make things clear to u.

(3:81 , 33:7). imran first, then Ahzab. in 33:7 , muhammad is one the prophets who took the covenant. what covenant? the covenant of prophets taken in 3:81. therefore, 3:81 could not possibly refer to muhammad. i told u the quran calls itself a kitaab(book), therefore should be read as one. read the chapters sequentially without skipping, if Allah wills he will show u the truth.

also (72: vs 25-28)

[72:25] Say(O muhammad), "I do not know if what is promised to you will happen soon, or if my Lord will delay it for awhile."
[72:26] He is the Knower of the future; He does not reveal the future to anyone.
[72:27] Only to a messenger that He chooses, does He reveal from the past and the future, specific news.
[72:28] This is to ascertain that they have delivered their Lord's messages. He is fully aware of what they have. He has counted the numbers of all things.

In the above verses God is ordering muhammad to tell his ppl that he possesses no knowledge of the past or future, that such knowledge belongs to God, and God never lets anyone know such secretes except a messenger chosen by God. the question is if it is not muhammad then who could this messenger be. perhaps he is yet to come, or he has already come and gone but the ppl fail to believe just like in the case of every messenger. every messenger of God is supported by God with irrefutable proofs. Have u ever verified what Dr. Rashad khalifa presented to the world?

also(33:40). this is where God a called muhammad the last prophet. read the verse clearly.


[33:40] Muhammad was not the father of any man among you. He was a messenger of GOD and the final prophet. GOD is fully aware of all things.

if u note, God used the sentence "a messenger" and the "final prophet". God is distinguishing btw messenger and prophet to us in that verse. the verse would be complete without using the word "a messenger", but God insists on putting it there, why? in the quran, there is a difference btw rasool(messenger) and nabiy(prophet). thats why u see God thruout the quran teaches us the difference. however, all prophets are automatically messenger but not all messengers are prophets. if u read(3:81), God gives us the definition of the two; prophets come with new scripture, while the messenger confirms existing scriptures.

the quran renders its tafsirs by itself. no wonder God says He is the teacher of the quran. be waiting for ur response.

sallaam!

@true seeker

firstly; if u are muslim, then u would believe in the quran. if however u are a non-muslim, then u still would believe in God. not unless u are of no faith what soever . Based on the facts mentioned, it is clear to those who follow any religion that God possesses certain qualities, like God is omnipotent and also omniscient. that is , He has power over all things as well as He possess the knowledge of the future. if u do understand and believe in this qualities of His, then u will realize that it is possible for Him to document future Events in a tablet, in this case the Quran well ahead of time.

ppl. believe someone like nastradamus , yet when it comes to God we deny Him. Not only the Qur'an is with God, all the scriptures He ever sent to man is in fact in a master record with Him.

@Abuzola ; thanks for ur understanding. fairness is very important when we discuss issues concerning religion on forums like this. thanks again.


@lagosboy; u keep saying i used the word "demise" thats why my posts were deleted. let me ask u dis, what does the word mean? it doesn't necessarily connote beheading someone. in the context i used it, it don't mean what u think. if u took it wrongly then am sorry, thats not what i intended.

@MODERATOR

SAlaaaaam!

i left the forum for sometime now cos i realised it is not a fair ground to participate in. u tend to favor some folks views just cos they share similar beliefs with you and then disregard others like me cos i don't resonate at the same tone as you do. i thot dis section was meant for those who call themselves muslims to share their own kind of islam with others, so where did the friction now come from that u had to send me the following message,

Salam alaikum usisky,
You have been going about the forum making some statements that are not only alien to orthodox Islamic creed but also de-Islamizing.

Are you sure you are a Muslim? Are you a Shiite? Pls let's know your ideology as I cannot continue to allow such misinformation as the custodian of the thread. Pls don't mislead people, don't pollute the Islamic ideaology.

To say we should abandon hadith is most criminal. You have uttered other blasphemous statements.

Be careful

Cc: Lagosboy, Muhsin, Olabowale



firstly; i am no shiite. and my ideology is simple;worshipping God Alone(islam) is what i stand for. i do not idolise the prophets(jesus, muhammad, moses, Abraham  e.t.c) or the socalled saints, cos that will constitute shirk(idolatry).

secondly; if u are so sure of what u practice, then there is no need u been afraid of "pollutants" like me. those who u think i am polluting their islamic ideologies, why don't u give them what u feel is the right thing. why are u afraid of what i got to say, after all, u are the one on the right lane. just give what u have and let me give what i've got and let the audience decide for themselves. that's a fair proposition right there!


thirdly; i never said we should abandon the ahadith. it is the Qur'an that commands us not to accept any ahadith outside of it(the Qur'an). so i am just going by Gods words. Why is it that when one repeats what is mentioned in the scriptures ppl tend to term it as blasphemous? is it that we do not believe it is Gods words or what?

today, upholding such fabrications as "Ahadiths and sunna" have lead the "muslims" to become the most agressive and intolerant ppl on earth. infact the worst of ppls. on earth. where do u think ppl like, Bin laden, farouk and the rest get their ideologies from. certainly not from the Qur'an. These traditions are full of absurdities and several illogicalities that promote hatred toward a fellow human being. they were never the sayings or deeds of prophet muhammad. ppl tend to look at the good sides of those traditions forgetting that it also contains several bad sides. the question an intelligent person should ask is; how can the two co-exist at the same time(i.e good and bad).

lastly; Lagosboy did challenge me to a debate and i never turned up. i've got my reasons. i really thot careflully and deeply, wondering why is it that ppl can't see the truth about all the things i speak about. i then thot i should grant him some more time to verify most of the posts i made perhaps he will have a change of heart.

the debate would have been an easy run for me, cos i have done most of my home work long ago, but, i realized there is more to it. the EGO, yes the ego.  the egotistic tendency of man makes them blind from the true path in virtually all affairs of this world.

pls pls pls , in the name of God, i want u guys to study the Qur'an earnestly. study it like the book that it is, read it from chapter to chapter in an orderly manner from 1 to 114. If ALLAH wills he will show the sincere seeker the light they quest for.

Tell me of what u make of the following verses.(3:81,     33:7)

may God continue to guide us aright, and may we have an open heart without biases or prejudices in seeking the truth.

@lagboy

sorry i never saw ur post. its a shame u called yourself a sunni. meaning u do have a sect. let me ask u this, what sect was the prophet muhammad?

u claim to have overwhelming insight on islam. u think quoting hadiths and tafsirs can rescue u when the truth is hot on your tail? NO man it can't.

as for me, i call myself a muslim, cos thats what Abraham, the founder of islam named us. it was the name God himself aproved of.


[16:123] Then we inspired you (Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham, the monotheist; he never was an idol worshiper.

[6:159] Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with you. Their judgment rests with GOD, then He will inform them of everything they had done.

Do not think my purpose is to win an argument, but rather to rescue a soul from eternal retribution. my commnts are not necessary directed at u, but to others who are ernestly following, cos it just might save someone someday. cheers!

Give ur terms and date, and God willing i'll be available. my conditions are simple, we debate only in the light of the quran. Nothing can ever equals God's words as u youself can attest to, unless if u feel otherwise. the words of men remain the words of men, therefore are always prone to error. thats why u see in the quran, muhammad was ordered to adhere strictly to the quran.

At some point in their  lives everyone capable of thinking is bound to ponder about the creation of themselves, of everything they see around them, and the existence of a creator. It is natural for people to ponder upon their origins and the purpose of their existence. For some,explanations provided to them by the religion they were born into are sufficient, while others might be satisfied with the theory that life evolved on the planet because of its particular circumstances. However, many people, including those who believe in religious doctrines or scientific theories, are doubtful, perhaps subconsciously, of the explanations provided to them. Although they entertain many unanswered questions in their minds, the majority of these people follow the crowd - suppressing their doubts and questions. Only a minority actively searches for the truth and tries to find answers to these age-old questions.
For many people the order, harmony and the perfect design of the things around them make it impossible to believe in the theory of evolution without  a designer. Thus, they feel like Professor Edwin Conklin who once said;
"The probability of life originating from an accident is comparable to the probability of the Unabridged Dictionary resulting from an explosion in a printing factory." Yet, when these people turn to religion, they realize that most of their questions are unanswered. Besides, there are so many different religious faiths, each preaching theirs to be the right way. This makes the choice extremely difficult.
Today all religions are nothing but various sets of traditions, rather than  facts s. Such corruption in religion has been caused by human ego and inventions that eventually distorted the truth for political and economic gain. Because of this, people who want to turn to the basics of religion are considered out of line with society.
Many of us feel that the questions in our minds about the existence of God would be resolved if we witnessed a miracle from God, similar to the ones performed by Moses(pbuh) or Jesus(pbuh) that we read about in the scriptures. We may also think that it is not really fair to our generation that God does not send down miracles any more. Yet, let us be serious. With all the scientific and technological advancements that we have today, who would believe in the ancient type of miracles such as healing the sick, or reviving the dead? It would be more logical for God to send down a miracle that is more compatible for the minds and the life styles of the people in this day and age.
The lack of a modern miracle contradicts the idea that God is the Most  Wise. It also gives the impression that God is not adaptable to our higher levels of thinking. Is God only capable of miracles for simpler, more ancient minds? Did God deliver His miracles to a few small generations, while our generation is greater in number, and there are larger generations to come?                             
We live in an age of science and computers. We consider ourselves intelli-gent beings who do not accept ideas which cannot be proven. On the other hand, we accept on faith many religious notions that defy common sense. We are proud of ourselves because we know more about science and technology than our parents and ancestors. We readily accept what is better and more advanced than what our parents have had. Yet, many of us do not hesitate to follow our parents blindly in religion, even if it means doing something we do not fully believe in.  For  most  people,  they  are  christians  because  they  were  born  into  christianity.  They  are  Muslims  because  they  were  born  into  islam. They  are jews  because  they  were  born  in judaism. As  such  man  is  made  to believe  that  the faith he  was  born into is the true  way  to  salvation.  Such  kind  of  belief  is  called  blind  faith. All this is because they fail to think and consequently are subject to error but are not willing to accept.

The peak of human knowledge is science. And it is my belief that God gave this knowledge to us for no other reason but so we can use it to better understand Him. unfortunately as man grew in knowledge, he became arrogant and then denies God, all this is because his ego is killing him while he is unaware of it. why then can't we apply this gift given to us by God to find the truth about Him. the reality is people don't really believe in God. Because if they do then at all cost you would get up and find the truth for yourself and not the unrealistic salvation preached to you.

The reason most people can't arrive at the truth is because they never ask themselves some fundamental questions in life, and this question has to do with the phrase, what if?

what if there is God,  what if He wants to be worshiped,  what if our fathers have been in error,  what if i am doing the wrong thing.  All this questions is how one can discover the truth for himself if he is honest.

if anyone of you has ever given much thot to how u ended up been a christian or a muslim today, then u'll come to know there is nothing special to it. God wanted it that way thats why. what makes one think that God has favored him over the other by making him a christian or a muslim. Do you think God is unjust?  in fact God is not at all. what people don't understand is that we all stand equal tests in the sight of God, be u a jew, christian or hindu or a muslim. you all keep claiming you are right while the other is wrong. tell something, if the christian missionaries never set foot in nigeria would most of you be christians today. the same goes for the muslim, if usman danfodio didn't come to nigeria or some how, would u have been a muslim today. so what makes u think one is better over the other. God wants us all to quest for the truth rather than blindly following religion, even when some things defy common sense, u are told to believe on faith. Do u thing God is an illogical being. No wonder he sets science for us as the standard to go by. use your head and dont be deceived.

The common test God has given all of us is to denounce idolatry(believing that anything or anyone beside God can benefit you). But the devil is aware of this, so he commits virtually all people towards that path. if the devil could deceive Adam and eve then i wonder who we think we are to be immune from satan's deceptions. The muslims are guilty of idolatry , the christians are also guilty of the same sin.  see verses below from the bible and the Qur'an that highlights this gross sin.

Bible: (Deutronomy 6:5, matthew 22:37, Mark 12:30 and Luke 10:27)[/b]in the verse above , jesus is clearly commanding the christians to worship God with all your heart, and all your soul, and all your mind and all your strength. this clearly is telling the christians, if they need salvation this is what they must do. jesus did not say worship me or any other entity, but God.
the truth is , 90% of the bible is actually the word of God, and in this 90% consistently you see jesus not at all claiming divinity , but instead ascribing all events to God. unfortunately, the 10% which is the word of the so called inspired men of God, who ascribe divinity to jesus is what the majority of christians have absorbed.this constitutes idolatry. you are idolizing jesus against his will. there's no where in the bible where jesus himself says i am God and that he should be worshiped. But those who don't desire the truth can't see that.

[b]Qur'animran 3:18, baqara 2:285, jinn 72:18)
For the muslims, this three verses suffices. in the first verse(3:18), God gives us the correct shahadah(proclamation of faith), but today the muslims have been tricked into putting muhammad's name next to God. how do u end up doing this, i'll tell u. your ancestors are responsible, but that does not negate the fact that you should seek truth. by adding a name besides God's name, this is flagrant idolatry. and thats why He teaches you the correct thing in the quran. the second verse(2:285), all  their lives, muslims recite this verse and yet can't adhere to it. in that verse, God says all his messengers(moses,noah,jesus,muhammad,solomon, etc) are all equal in his sight, and that no one should make any distinction amongst them. today muslims are tricked to believe mluhammad is God's favorite prophet, and besides why do u not add the other prophets names to the shahadah. this is violation of God's command. the third verse(72:18), commands the muslims that they should not call on any name besides God in the places of worship. but do the muslims really abide. they go to the mosque, they call God and then next to Him they put a human creature of his.they idolize muhammd against his will. how did all this happen?  certainly not from the Qur'an, because it has been confirmed to be God's words. The truth is, the so called hadith and sunna are the genesis of all this idolatrous innovations. the hadith and sunna were concocted by satan to make the muslims worship muhammad alongside God. and any muslim knows that shirk(idolatry) is the only unforgivable sin in the sight of God if maintained till death.

I am a man of science , and was born a muslim, but i dont practice my islam the way most muslims do, thats cos i didn't leave my faith and fate for others to decide for me. i had to find the truth and when God saw how earnestly i quested for an answer, He saved me from the bunch. but thats because i put tremendous effort in seeking the truth.

the reason people are divided today in the world, fighting and killing each other is all because of the human factor involved( jesus, moses, muhammad  etc). the moment we can look beyond that , people would be united through the worship of God alone and associating(idolatary) with  Him nothing else.

God did send a miracle to us in this age of scientific advance. And this miracle is embedded withing one of  the scriptures of God.this same miracle use to be embedded in other scriptures too, but since they are all now translations and the original one in its language can't be found. this miracle unlike the previous miracles is perpetual and can be observed in any generation. the bible talks about the miracle of jesus, moses and others, but today a lot of people deny it all because it can't be proved to have ever occured. the Quran too did talk about the miracle of jesus, moses and others, but this too can't be proven. so therefore, if their have to be a miracle in this age of scientific advancement, it has to be something that is compatible with our way of thinking and it has to be readily verifiable. i'll share with u this super human intelligence embedded in one of God's scriptures as the thread heats up.

I have studied the bible to some extent, not because i wanna make a mockery of it, but because i was questing for truth. the truth is there are christians and muslims who quest for truth, and God has guided them to unveiling the truth. such people have come to realise that neither  jesus nor muhammad should be worshiped alongside God. and such are the kinds of people God says in the Qur'an will be granted their recompense. All this patriarchs of faith, jesus , moses, or muhammad , should be reverenced as due but not over doing it to the point of idolatry. Remember jesus himself said in the bible, the road to heaven is narrow, while the road to hell is very wide. the quran also affirms that. it only takes little thought to realize that it will take much more than blind belief to go to heaven. your destiny is in your hand, just like they say.
i will end here, but there are still much to be ironed out but for now lets make this an introduction.

"Surely, those who believe, those who are jewish, the christians and the converts; anyone who 1)beleives in God 2) beleives in after life 3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord; they have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve" ( sura  2:62   &  sura 5:69)

At some point in their lives everyone capable of thinking is bound to ponder about the creation of themselves, of everything they see around them, and the existence of a creator. It is natural for people to ponder upon their origins and the purpose of their existence. For some,explanations provided to them by the religion they were born into are sufficient, while others might be satisfied with the theory that life evolved on the planet because of its particular circumstances. However, many people, including those who believe in religious doctrines or scientific theories, are doubtful, perhaps subconsciously, of the explanations provided to them. Although they entertain many unanswered questions in their minds, the majority of these people follow the crowd - suppressing their doubts and questions. Only a minority actively searches for the truth and tries to find answers to these age-old questions.
For many people the order, harmony and the perfect design of the things around them make it impossible to believe in the theory of evolution without a designer. Thus, they feel like Professor Edwin Conklin who once said;
"The probability of life originating from an accident is comparable to the probability of the Unabridged Dictionary resulting from an explosion in a printing factory." Yet, when these people turn to religion, they realize that most of their questions are unanswered. Besides, there are so many different religious faiths, each preaching theirs to be the right way. This makes the choice extremely difficult.
Today all religions are nothing but various sets of traditions, rather than facts s. Such corruption in religion has been caused by human ego and inventions that eventually distorted the truth for political and economic gain. Because of this, people who want to turn to the basics of religion are considered out of line with society.
Many of us feel that the questions in our minds about the existence of God would be resolved if we witnessed a miracle from God, similar to the ones performed by Moses(pbuh) or Jesus(pbuh) that we read about in the scriptures. We may also think that it is not really fair to our generation that God does not send down miracles any more. Yet, let us be serious. With all the scientific and technological advancements that we have today, who would believe in the ancient type of miracles such as healing the sick, or reviving the dead? It would be more logical for God to send down a miracle that is more compatible for the minds and the life styles of the people in this day and age.
The lack of a modern miracle contradicts the idea that God is the Most Wise. It also gives the impression that God is not adaptable to our higher levels of thinking. Is God only capable of miracles for simpler, more ancient minds? Did God deliver His miracles to a few small generations, while our generation is greater in number, and there are larger generations to come?
We live in an age of science and computers. We consider ourselves intelli-gent beings who do not accept ideas which cannot be proven. On the other hand, we accept on faith many religious notions that defy common sense. We are proud of ourselves because we know more about science and technology than our parents and ancestors. We readily accept what is better and more advanced than what our parents have had. Yet, many of us do not hesitate to follow our parents blindly in religion, even if it means doing something we do not fully believe in. For most people, they are christians because they were born into christianity. They are Muslims because they were born into islam. They are jews because they were born in judaism. As such man is made to believe that the faith he was born into is the true way to salvation. Such kind of belief is called blind faith. All this is because they fail to think and consequently are subject to error but are not willing to accept.

The peak of human knowledge is science. And it is my belief that God gave this knowledge to us for no other reason but so we can use it to better understand Him. unfortunately as man grew in knowledge, he became arrogant and then denies God, all this is because his ego is killing him while he is unaware of it. why then can't we apply this gift given to us by God to find the truth about Him. the reality is people don't really believe in God. Because if they do then at all cost you would get up and find the truth for yourself and not the unrealistic salvation preached to you.

The reason most people can't arrive at the truth is because they never ask themselves some fundamental questions in life, and this question has to do with the phrase, what if?

what if there is God, what if He wants to be worshiped, what if our fathers have been in error, what if i am doing the wrong thing. All this questions is how one can discover the truth for himself if he is honest.

if anyone of you has ever given much thot to how u ended up been a christian or a muslim today, then u'll come to know there is nothing special to it. God wanted it that way thats why. what makes one think that God has favored him over the other by making him a christian or a muslim. Do you think God is unjust? in fact God is not at all. what people don't understand is that we all stand equal tests in the sight of God, be u a jew, christian or hindu or a muslim. you all keep claiming you are right while the other is wrong. tell something, if the christian missionaries never set foot in nigeria would most of you be christians today. the same goes for the muslim, if usman danfodio didn't come to nigeria or some how, would u have been a muslim today. so what makes u think one is better over the other. God wants us all to quest for the truth rather than blindly following religion, even when some things defy common sense, u are told to believe on faith. Do u thing God is an illogical being. No wonder he sets science for us as the standard to go by. use your head and dont be deceived.

The common test God has given all of us is to denounce idolatry(believing that anything or anyone beside God can benefit you). But the devil is aware of this, so he commits virtually all people towards that path. if the devil could deceive Adam and eve then i wonder who we think we are to be immune from satan's deceptions. The muslims are guilty of idolatry , the christians are also guilty of the same sin. see verses below from the bible and the Qur'an that highlights this gross sin.

Bible: (Deutronomy 6:5, matthew 22:37, Mark 12:30 and Luke 10:27)[/b]in the verse above , jesus is clearly commanding the christians to worship God with all your heart, and all your soul, and all your mind and all your strength. this clearly is telling the christians, if they need salvation this is what they must do. jesus did not say worship me or any other entity, but God.
the truth is , 90% of the bible is actually the word of God, and in this 90% consistently you see jesus not at all claiming divinity , but instead ascribing all events to God. unfortunately, the 10% which is the word of the so called inspired men of God, who ascribe divinity to jesus is what the majority of christians have absorbed.this constitutes idolatry. you are idolizing jesus against his will. there's no where in the bible where jesus himself says i am God and that he should be worshiped. But those who don't desire the truth can't see that.

[b]Qur'animran 3:18, baqara 2:285, jinn 72:18)
For the muslims, this three verses suffices. in the first verse(3:18), God gives us the correct shahadah(proclamation of faith), but today the muslims have been tricked into putting muhammad's name next to God. how do u end up doing this, i'll tell u. your ancestors are responsible, but that does not negate the fact that you should seek truth. by adding a name besides God's name, this is flagrant idolatry. and thats why He teaches you the correct thing in the quran. the second verse(2:285), all their lives, muslims recite this verse and yet can't adhere to it. in that verse, God says all his messengers(moses,noah,jesus,muhammad,solomon, etc) are all equal in his sight, and that no one should make any distinction amongst them. today muslims are tricked to believe mluhammad is God's favorite prophet, and besides why do u not add the other prophets names to the shahadah. this is violation of God's command. the third verse(72:18), commands the muslims that they should not call on any name besides God in the places of worship. but do the muslims really abide. they go to the mosque, they call God and then next to Him they put a human creature of his.they idolize muhammd against his will. how did all this happen? certainly not from the Qur'an, because it has been confirmed to be God's words. The truth is, the so called hadith and sunna are the genesis of all this idolatrous innovations. the hadith and sunna were concocted by satan to make the muslims worship muhammad alongside God. and any muslim knows that shirk(idolatry) is the only unforgivable sin in the sight of God if maintained till death.

I am a man of science , and was born a muslim, but i dont practice my islam the way most muslims do, thats cos i didn't leave my faith and fate for others to decide for me. i had to find the truth and when God saw how earnestly i quested for an answer, He saved me from the bunch. but thats because i put tremendous effort in seeking the truth.

the reason people are divided today in the world, fighting and killing each other is all because of the human factor involved( jesus, moses, muhammad etc). the moment we can look beyond that , people would be united through the worship of God alone and associating(idolatary) with Him nothing else.

God did send a miracle to us in this age of scientific advance. And this miracle is embedded withing one of the scriptures of God.this same miracle use to be embedded in other scriptures too, but since they are all now translations and the original one in its language can't be found. this miracle unlike the previous miracles is perpetual and can be observed in any generation. the bible talks about the miracle of jesus, moses and others, but today a lot of people deny it all because it can't be proved to have ever occured. the Quran too did talk about the miracle of jesus, moses and others, but this too can't be proven. so therefore, if their have to be a miracle in this age of scientific advancement, it has to be something that is compatible with our way of thinking and it has to be readily verifiable. i'll share with u this super human intelligence embedded in one of God's scriptures as the thread heats up.

I have studied the bible to some extent, not because i wanna make a mockery of it, but because i was questing for truth. the truth is there are christians and muslims who quest for truth, and God has guided them to unveiling the truth. such people have come to realise that neither jesus nor muhammad should be worshiped alongside God. and such are the kinds of people God says in the Qur'an will be granted their recompense. All this patriarchs of faith, jesus , moses, or muhammad , should be reverenced as due but not over doing it to the point of idolatry. Remember jesus himself said in the bible, the road to heaven is narrow, while the road to hell is very wide. the quran also affirms that. it only takes little thought to realize that it will take much more than blind belief to go to heaven. your destiny is in your hand, just like they say.
i will end here, but there are still much to be ironed out but for now lets make this an introduction.

"Surely, those who believe, those who are jewish, the christians and the converts; anyone who 1)beleives in God 2) beleives in after life 3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord; they have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve" ( sura 2:62 & sura 5:69)

@muhsin

All respects to u, 4give me if i ever irritated or angered u in any form. my efforts are not to win an argument, but rather to save a life from eternal damnation.

i will finalise all arguments today, insha Allah(God willing). i will prove to u that the "sunna and hadith" u follow is responsible for the deviation of millions of muslims from the way of God(Qur'an).

i will start by reminding u two things:

1) all will be judged in accordance with the quran on the day of resurrection and not Ahadith. because quran is the furqaan(criterion)
2)God mentions in the quran that on the day of judgment, muhammad will complain to Him that his followers abandoned the quran. it is interesting to note he wouldn't complain about abandoning his hadith but rather the quran?

[25:27] The day will come when the transgressor will bite his hands (in anguish) and say, "Alas, I wish I had followed the path with the messenger.
[25:28] "Alas, woe to me, I wish I did not take that person as a friend.
[25:29] "He has led me away from the message after it came to me. Indeed, the devil lets down his human victims."
[25:30] The messenger said, "My Lord, my people have deserted this Quran."

The proof that You and all those who insist on following hadith and sunna have Desrted the Quran: see questions below:

Point1:

1) The shahadaah(proclamation of faith): how do u recite ur shahadaah? do u accept that in the Quran or the ones mentioned in the hadiths? if u don't recite it as written in the Quran, then verse(18:57) applies to u.

The Most Important Commandment(correct shahadaah acording to God, the angels and those who posess knowledge)

[3:18] GOD bears witness that there is no god except He(La Ellaha Ell Allah), and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge. Truthfully and equitably, He is the absolute god; there is no god but He, the Almighty, Most Wise.

[21:25] We did not send any messenger before you(muhammad) except with the inspiration: "There is no god except Me(La Ellaha Ell Allah); you shall worship Me alone."



As u can see from the shahadaah according to God, there is no muhammads name attached to it. no where in the quran do u see God put a name besides His own name. it is those who idolize muhammad against his will that included his name. this is shirk(idolatry) by definition. God lets us knw that it is the hypocrites who do that.see below

[63:1] When the hypocrites come to you they say, "We bear witness that you are the messenger of GOD[b](muhammad Rasool Ell Allah)[/b]." GOD knows that you are His messenger, and GOD bears witness that the hypocrites are liars.

it is important to note that (muhammad rasool ell Allah) means , muhammad is a messenger of God. how is it possible that muhammad would say to himself "muhammad "is" a messenger of God. Also we knw he is dead now, so why do we keep saying he "is" a messenger of God. can a dead man be a messenger of God? Even using common sense, the correct statement shoul've been (muhammad "was" a messenger of God). in arabic it will be(muhammad "kana" rasool ell Allah).

Point2:

2) Do u or do not call on muhammads name in ur sallat(contact prayers) while at the masjid(mosque)? as u knw the traditional muslims idolize his name in(azhaan and sitting position). if u do that, then it means u do not the verse stated below(72:18), therefore u nullify ur sallat. and verse(18:57) applies to u.

[72:18] The places of worship(mosque) belong to GOD; do not call on anyone else beside GOD.

The verse stated above came out of muhammads mouth, commading w muslims to only mention God in the mosques. do the muslims abide? no. they insist on comemmorating muhammads name Besides God's. this is flagrant idolatry without realizing it.

Point3:

3) Do u or do u not recite all ur noon sallat(contact prayers) silently?. if u do, it therefore means u don't agree with verse of God(17:110). this then means that verse(18:57) applies to u.

Tone of the Contact Prayers (Salat)

[17:110] Say, "Call Him GOD, or call Him the Most Gracious; whichever name you use, to Him belongs the best names." You shall not utter your Contact Prayers (Salat) too loudly, nor secretly; use a moderate tone.

As u can see from above, u have another god(hadith and sunna, SATAN) Besides God who told u to observe ur noon salat(contact prayers) silently.

Point4:

4) Do u or do u not observe ur wudu(ablution) as stated in (5:6)? if not, then it means u don't agree with the Verse of God. it therefore means verse(18:57) applies to u.

[5:6] O you who believe, when you observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), you shall: (1) wash your faces, (2) wash your arms to the elbows, (3) wipe your heads, and (4) wash your feet to the ankles. If you were unclean due to sexual orgasm, you shall bathe. If you are ill, or traveling, or had any digestive excretion (urinary, fecal, or gas), or had (sexual) contact with the women, and you cannot find water, you shall observe the dry ablution (Tayammum) by touching clean dry soil, then rubbing your faces and hands. GOD does not wish to make the religion difficult for you; He wishes to cleanse you and to perfect His blessing upon you, that you may be appreciative.

this is the correct ablution as prescribed by God. anything outside that is from satan.

Divine Intervention

[18:57] Who are more evil than those who are reminded of their Lord's proofs, then disregard them, without realizing what they are doing. Consequently, we place shields on their hearts to prevent them from understanding it (the Quran), and deafness in their ears. Thus, no matter what you do to guide them, they can never ever be guided.

[17:46] We place shields around their minds, to prevent them from understanding it, and deafness in their ears. And when you preach your Lord, using the Quran alone, they run away in aversion.

[39:3] Absolutely, the religion shall be devoted to[b] GOD alone[/b]. Those who set up idols beside Him say, "We idolize them only to bring us closer to GOD; for they are in a better position!" GOD will judge them regarding their disputes. GOD does not guide such liars, disbelievers.


Critical information given by God:

those who do not believe , are those that take God's servants(jesus, muhammad, moses, mary e.t.c) as protectors besides God. their portion is hell. they think that they have been righteous, but all their works(salaat,zakat, hajj, saywm) will be in vain. All cos they never believe God is sufficient for them, and they also deny His verses.(sura kahf ch-18, v 102-106).

[18:102] Do those who disbelieve think that they can get away with setting up My s[b]ervants[/b] as gods beside Me? We have prepared for the disbelievers Hell as an eternal abode.
[18:103] Say, "Shall I tell you who the worst losers are?
[18:104] "They are the ones whose works in this life are totally astray, but they think that they are doing good."
[18:105] Such are the ones who disbelieved in the revelations of their Lord and in meeting Him. Therefore, their works are in vain; on the Day of Resurrection, they have no weight.
[18:106] Their just requital is Hell, in return for their disbelief, and for mocking My revelations and My messengers.

There are only two verses in the Qur'an that describes the prophet muhammad as "no more than a human being like all of us". is it a coincidence that both verses forbid idolatry at the end to them.
(sura kahf ch-18, v 110)
(sura fussilat ch-41, v 6).

i have said over and over again that the "sunna and hadith" were never from the prophet. it is from satan. Satan is aware that the only unforgivable sin, if mentained till death is shirk(idolatry). And he knows that going contrary to the quran is infact shirk, because u have another god telling u to do other than the Quran. Do muslims really think theey will not be put to the test? We all have a common test to pass, that is denouncing idolatry. be u muslim or christian or whatever. that test is the most difficult to pass. God asked similar Question in the quran, that do the believer think that they won't be tested. if u think by just been a muslim u are saved, then am sorry , read the Qur'an sequentially from chapter1 to chapter114, the message will reveal itself to u , only if u don't deny any of Gods verses.


However u try, u can never anwer my questuions above. u know why? because, see below

"when truth is hurled over falsehood, falsehood perishes. For falsehood by its nature is bound to perish"

Subhana Allah(Glory be to God)!

@Niyi
@olabowale
@Abuzola
@muhsin

This is in response to an earlier post on a thread by niyi. i gave a reply there, but figured it be better if i made it a fresh topic.

please, i beg u guys in the Name of God, read all of it,. i truly appreciate the guys i mentioned their names above- sincerely.

Brother Niyi, i must commend u for your astute, intelligent and good understanding of the verses of the glorious quran.  I try to make the "muslims" realize that most of those who translated the quran were under the influence of their corrupted traditions. Any intelligent person will observe that there is no indication whatsoever that jesus will be returning to this life again in the light of the quran. does God violate his laws? no! no man would after more than two thousand years of departing this world return again; it's against God's natural laws. in fact, lets apply common sense here: how would we know jesus when he comes back?. who would believe him to be jesus? What miracle would he provide in this age of technological revolution where no reasonable mind accepts such ancient type miracles anymore. There are people who even claim to perform similar miracles. how different will that of the "returning jesus" be like?

[48:23]  Such is GOD's system throughout history, and you will find that [b]God's system is unchangeable[/b].

The verse u quoted(sura 3:55), the word "mutawwafika" means to terminate or put to death. Influence of Hadiths forced the Quran translators into mistranslating it to suit the idea of second coming of jesus.

Here, i'll prove that jesus is in fact dead according to the quran:


[3:55]  Thus, GOD said, "O Jesus, I am terminating your life, raising you to Me, and ridding you of the disbelievers. I will exalt those who follow you above those who disbelieve, till the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is the ultimate destiny of all of you, then I will judge among you regarding your disputes.

     The Righteous Do Not Really Die:

[3:169]  Do not think that those who are killed in the cause of GOD are dead; they are alive at their Lord, enjoying His provisions.

according to the above verse All  The Righteous Do Not Really Die. the question now is: was jesus a Righteous man? if so; then the verse equally applies to him. little wonder God made similar statement in sura 2. That explains what God meant when He said in sura 4:157, that jesus was never killed.

     Crucifying "the Body" of Jesus:

[4:157]  And for claiming that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of GOD. In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him - they were made to think that they did. All factions who are disputing in this matter are full of doubt concerning this issue. They possess no knowledge; they only conjecture. For certain, they never killed him.

Consistently in the Quran, God refers to the[b] soul[/b] as the real person. As far as God is concerned the body is just a host for the real you...the Soul. the body only serves us in this world, but after our death, the soul lives on. for the righteous as soon as they die God raises them to Himself. for the unrighteous, they wait until the day of judgment. in fact the jews did kill jesus, but jesus the "body". prior to that, God already raised his soul to Himself, i.e the real person....Jesus the "soul".

No wonder when u read (4:157), God said "they were made to think they did". meaning : the jews did certainly crucify him....at least from their own perspective, He died.But according to (3:169, 2:154), he never truly died. A righteous soul never dies.


                             Death: From the Quranic perspective

Death is a great mystery to most people. Not so for the students of the Quran. We learn that death is exactly like sleeping; complete with dreams (6:60, 40:46). The period between death and resurrection passes like one night of sleep (2:259; 6:60; 10:45; 16:21; 18:11, 19, 25; 30:55).

At the moment of death, everyone knows his or her destiny; Heaven or Hell. For the disbelievers, death is a horrible event; the angels beat
them on the faces and rear ends as they snatch away their souls (8:50, 47:27, 79:1).

             
Give good news to those who believe and work righteousness that they will have gardens with flowing streams. When provided with provisions
of fruits therein, they will say, "This is what was given to us in the past." They will be given similar provisions, and they will have pure
spouses therein. They abide therein forever. (2:25)

Do not think that those who are killed in the cause of God are dead; they are alive at their Lord, being provided for. (3:169)

Do NOT say about those who are killed in the cause of God, "They are dead." For they are alive, but you do not perceive. (2:154)

O you who believe, you shall respond to God and the messenger when he invites to what keeps you alive. (8:24)

Those who emigrate in the cause of God, then get killed or die, God will surely provide for them a good provision. (22:58)

They do not taste death, beyond the first death, and God spares them the retribution of Hell. (44:56)

He was told, "Enter Paradise." He said, "I wish my people (on earth) know; that my Lord has forgiven me and honored me." (36:26-27)
     
THE RIGHTEOUS DO NOT DIE; when their lives on this earth come to the predetermined end, the angel of death simply invites them to leave their earthly bodies and move on to Heaven, the same Paradise where Adam and Eve once lived. Heaven has been in existence since Adam and Eve. We learn from 89:27-30 that God invites the believers' souls: "Enter My Paradise.

                         THE DISBELIEVERS

As for the disbelievers, they know at the moment of death that they are destined for Hell. The angels beat them up on the faces and rear
ends (8:50 & 47:27), order them to evict their souls (6:93), then "snatch their souls" (79:1). The Quran teaches that the disbelievers
go through 2 deaths (2:28 & 40:11). They will be put to death - a state of nothingness during which they see Hell day and night in a
continuous nightmare that lasts until the Day of Judgment (40:46). Hell is not yet in existence (40:46, 89:23).

                   Of Course, the Righteous Depart

As far as people are concerned, the righteous "die." People do not realize that the righteous simply leave their bodies, and move on to Paradise. The verses shown above are self explanatory. They tell us that the righteous die only once - the one death we have already experienced as a consequence of the great fued (38:69). In 36:26-27, we see the best evidence that the righteous go to Paradise, while their friends and relatives are still living on earth. Like going to Hawaii and waiting for us there.  See also 16:32 & 6:60-62.

@Niyi
@olabowale
@Abuzola

please i beg u guys in the Name of God, read all of it, or simply copy it to your system so u can refer to it when less busy. thanks.

Brother Niyi, i must commend u for your astute, intelligent observations and understanding of the verses of the glorious quran.  i keep trying to make the muslims know that most of those who translated the quran were under the influence of their corrupted traditions. Any intelligent person will observe that there is no indication what so ever that jesus will be returning to this life again in the lights of the quran. does God violate his laws? no, no man will die and then come back from the dead again, it is against God's laws. infact lets use common sense here, how would we know jesus when he comes"back". who would believe him to be jesus. What miracle would he provide in this age of technological advancement where no reasonable mind accepts such things as miracles anymore. ppl perform what they call miracles day in day out, how different will that of the "comming jesus" be like. lets just think for a while ppl. God never violates his Rules. see below,

[48:23]  Such is GOD's system throughout history, and you will find that GOD's system is unchangeable.

this is what happens when u try to xpain the quran using outside sources. God prohibits such, He told us d quran is detailed(6:144-116).
the idea of him comming for the second time is unfounded.

The verse u quoted(sura 3:55), the word "mutawwafika" means to terminate or put to death, but because of the influence of hadith and other sources, the translators of quran are forced to change it.

now i'll prove to others that jesus is infact dead according to the quran. i'll start from quoting the verse u mentioned.


[3:55]  Thus, GOD said, "O Jesus, I am terminating your life, raising you to Me, and ridding you of the disbelievers. I will exalt those who follow you above those who disbelieve, till the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is the ultimate destiny of all of you, then I will judge among you regarding your disputes.


it is interesting to note that exactly 57 verses ahead in that sura(i.e 112) God gave a hint to something  concerning this:

[3:112]  They shall be humiliated whenever you encounter them, unless they uphold GOD's covenant, as well as their peace covenants with you. They have incurred wrath from GOD, and, consequently, they are committed to disgrace. This is because they rejected GOD's revelations, and [b]killed the prophets u[/b]njustly. This is because they disobeyed and transgressed.

the next clue given by God is also mentioned exacly 57 verses ahead of (112  i.e 169):

     The Righteous Do Not Really Die

[3:169]  Do not think that those who are killed in the cause of GOD are dead; they are alive at their Lord, enjoying His provisions.

according to the above verse All  The Righteous Do Not Really Die. the question now is, is jesus amongst the  Righteous? if so, then the verse also applies to him. little wonder made similar statement in sura 2. now that xplains what God meant when He said in sura 4:157, that jesus was never killed.

     Crucifying "the Body" of Jesus

[4:157]  And for claiming that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of GOD. In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him - they were made to think that they did. All factions who are disputing in this matter are full of doubt concerning this issue. They possess no knowledge; they only conjecture. For certain, they never killed him.

Consistently in the Quran, God refers to the soul as the real person. As far as God is concerned the body is just a host for the real you"the real person. the body only serves us in this world, but after our death the soul lives on. for the reighteous as soon as they die God raises them to Himself. for the unreighteous, they wait untill the day of judgmnet. infact the jews did infact kill jesus, but jesus the "body", but prior to that God has already raised his soul to Himself, i.e the real persson, jesus the "soul".

No wonder when u read (4:157), God said i"it was made to appear so". meaning , the jews did crucify him, atleast that is what they thought.

Further read sura mariam"mary" i.e sura 19. in that sura , jesus actually mentions that he will die, and be resurrected(the day of judgment). see below,

[19:27]  She came to her family, carrying him. They said, "O Mary, you have committed something that is totally unexpected.
[19:28]  "O descendant of Aaron, your father was not a bad man, nor was your mother unchaste."
[19:29]  She pointed to him. They said, "How can we talk with an infant in the crib?"
[19:30]  (The infant spoke and) said, "I am a servant of GOD. He has given me the scripture, and has appointed me a prophet.
[19:31]  "He made me blessed wherever I go, and enjoined me to observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and the obligatory charity (Zakat) for as long as I live.
[19:32]  "I am to honor my mother; He did not make me a disobedient rebel.
[19:33]  And peace be upon me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I get resurrected."


As u can see in the last verse above(19:33), jesus clearly talks about the day he will die. remember he was prophetic from birth. God neveer violates His laws, no man will die and then come back to life again in this life.

Please read the below verses about death accordign to the Quran. pls pls pls .



                             Death

Death is a great mystery to most people. Not so for the students of the Quran. We learn that death is exactly like sleeping; complete with dreams (6:60, 40:46). The period between death and resurrection passes like one night of sleep (2:259; 6:60; 10:45; 16:21; 18:11, 19, 25; 30:55).

At the moment of death, everyone knows his or her destiny; Heaven or Hell. For the disbelievers, death is a horrible event; the angels beat
them on the faces and rear ends as they snatch away their souls (8:50, 47:27, 79:1).

             
Give good news to those who believe and work righteousness that they will have gardens with flowing streams. When provided with provisions
of fruits therein, they will say, "This is what was given to us in the past." They will be given similar provisions, and they will have pure
spouses therein. They abide therein forever. (2:25)

Do not think that those who are killed in the cause of God are dead; they are alive at their Lord, being provided for. (3:169)

Do NOT say about those who are killed in the cause of God, "They are dead." For they are alive, but you do not perceive. (2:154)

O you who believe, you shall respond to God and the messenger when he invites to what keeps you alive. (8:24)

Those who emigrate in the cause of God, then get killed or die, God will surely provide for them a good provision. (22:58)

They do not taste death, beyond the first death, and God spares them the retribution of Hell. (44:56)

He was told, "Enter Paradise." He said, "I wish my people (on earth) know; that my Lord has forgiven me and honored me." (36:26-27)
     
THE RIGHTEOUS DO NOT DIE; when their lives on this earth come to the predetermined end, the angel of death simply invites them to leave their earthly bodies and move on to Heaven, the same Paradise where Adam and Eve once lived. Heaven has been in existence since Adam and Eve. We learn from 89:27-30 that God invites the believers' souls: "Enter My Paradise.

                         THE DISBELIEVERS

As for the disbelievers, they know at the moment of death that they are destined for Hell. The angels beat them up on the faces and rear
ends (8:50 & 47:27), order them to evict their souls (6:93), then "snatch their souls" (79:1). The Quran teaches that the disbelievers
go through 2 deaths (2:28 & 40:11). They will be put to death - a state of nothingness during which they see Hell day and night in a
continuous nightmare that lasts until the Day of Judgment (40:46). Hell is not yet in existence (40:46, 89:23).

                   Of Course, the Righteous Depart

As far as people are concerned, the righteous "die." People do not realize that the righteous simply leave their bodies, and move on to Paradise. The verses shown above are self explanatory. They tell us that the righteous die only once - the one death we have already experienced as a consequence of the great fued (38:69). In 36:26-27, we see the best evidence that the righteous go to Paradise, while their friends and relatives are still living on earth. Like going to Hawaii and waiting for us there.  See also 16:32 & 6:60-62.

@olabowale
@muhsin

salaam! please i beg u guys in the name of God, visit the following websites. pls pls pls pls pls pls.

www.submission.org

www.miracleof19.org

muhsin:
@Usisky,

I still don’t forget; you deceitfully evaded my questions on how you perform those Islamic duties.

Here are more questions to answer:

*Among the Prophet’s, may Allah exalt his mention, companion only Zaid’s name is mentioned in the Qur’an. How do you know the names of some others?

*The Prophet, may Allah exalt his mention, had married many wives during his lifetime: do you a name of any? If your answer is yes how did you?

*What do you know/believ of Prophet, may Allah exalt his mention, Night Journey, i.e. Isra’ee and Mi’iraaj?

*Broadly speaking, how was Qur’an compiled? Who did the work? Or it’s created?

Let me read your answers before I continue. Thanks

i delibrately evaded them. thats cos the answers are mathematically coded according to Gods law in the Qur'an. u wouldn't knw anything about it now, would u?  but i did highlight to u the main issue, that is the rituals have existed prior to muhammads appointment as a prophet .therefore it has been a tradition. i will find time to firstly introduce you to the signs and wonders of the quran b4 that. otherwise u may end up confused. salaam

@muhsin

i indeed read all your reply which you think has refuted my earlier posts. firstly let me let u knw that all the sources u quoted above are all books and exposition i myself have read before. they are not new to me. i swear by Allah(God), if u choose to follow the words of men over that of God u will definately end up in manifest error. Any astute reader of all my post will note that all my sources were directly from the Quran. it is not i who said the quran is easy to grasp ,but God. it is not i who says that it is God who xpalains the quran, but God. so i don't knw where u have a problem with me.
All this scholars u have chosen to take their word upon God's are no more than human like u. u are even more intelligent cos u are more advanced than them in this age.

u ask how u can knw the companions of the prophet and so on if there where no hadith. u have forgotten that there are islamic history books. these books do not teach religion but rather what happened during the prophets time. hadith should never be used as a source of religious law. those who compiled the hadith used history  books too.  really i don't even knw how to answer u, cos it appears to me u never confirmed or even read what i posted carefully using your own intellect instead of others. no offense!!!

As regards the religious duties question, as u can see 4 yourself, its quite tedious. i wish we could see face to face and i will prove all aspects of the duties  for u using the quran. just a reminder, the quran is not for the muslims alone according to God. its for the whole mankind.  thats why God proved every statement he ever made in the quran, so that u don't just accept it cos u are a muslim. how about the non-muslim, do u think he will just accept what is in the quran cos its says its from God. u see why Gd proves all aspects of it. u do not have acess to it cos u dont agree with Gods staements.

have u ever wondered why inspite of all your effort to prove to the xristians that the concept of trinity was an innovation and illogical, yet they argue and even justify their arguments for u? they render to u the xplanations given to them by their scholars. they are told to accept on faith, because God is not always easy to understand and that He makes the scriptures hard to understand so we may no how supreme He is. no matter what u do, they will never agree, only few who God guides because they quest for truth and use their brains intead of emotions. Thesame goes for the socalled muslims, God says the quran is easy to understand if only we wished to learn. But u have all this sholars who lie to u , telling u that the quran is difficult to understand, unless u study their tafsir and hadiths. i wonder who u blive, God or the scholars?

see below, it is so emphatic that God repeateed it several times. i wonder why when one rpeats Gods statement in the quran ppl render them apostates.

[54:17]  We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn?
[54:22]  We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn?
[54:32]  We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn?
[54:40]  We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn?

Let me ask u this honest question. Do u really blive your God will send u a scripture that is hard to understand?
if so, then why would He call it a guidance for the whole of humanity?
it therefore means, if u get misguided in the process of studying the Sripture He sends to u for guidance, it really is not your fault, cos He made it difficult to understand in the first instance.
However, u can see from the verses i quoted above, that God never said such a thing. it is the idols(priests, imams, scholars etc) that u have set-up alongside God who tell u such lies.

Your God is the best teacher. it doesn't matter how many scholars agree or disagree with it. the word of God remains the word of God.

     Disbelievers Refuse to Accept the Completeness of the Quran

[18:54] We have explained in detail in this Qur'an ,for the benefit of mankind every kind of similtude: but man is in most things argumentitive".

   Quran: The ONLY Source

[17:46]  We place shields around their minds, to prevent them from understanding it, and deafness in their ears. And when you preach your Lord, using the Quran alone, they run away in aversion.


visit   www.submission.org   may God guide us all.

@smile4kenn

howdee? actually this is the answer i gave in the islamic section. so go thru.

please i just want u to realise that what those socalled muslim did is un-islamic and has no basis in the Qur'an or islam. the stonning to death of the adulterer and adulteress was added to islam by the corrupted scholars of islam some centuries after the death of muhammad.
if u look at that law, it is actually of biblical origin. Now lets see Gods' law according to the Qur'an.


[4:15] Those who commit adultery among your women, you must have four witnesses against them, from among you. If they do bear witness, then you shall keep such women in their homes until they die, or until GOD creates an exit for them.

According to God in the above verses; A woman witnessed by four people in the act of committing adultery on four different occasions, with four different partners, represents a danger to public health. Such a woman is a depository of germs, and a health quarantine protects the society from her. A good example of an exit that saves a quarantined woman is marriage - someone may wish to marry her, and thus protect her and the society.

As u can see, Gods law is always with wisdom. however, when ppl decide to do away with Gods law infavor of laws of men, then there will consequencies. see also the verse below.

[24:2] The adulteress and the adulterer you shall whip each of them a hundred lashes. Do not be swayed by pity from carrying out GOD's law, if you truly believe in GOD and the Last Day. And let a group of believers witness their penalty.

As u can see from above verse, (4:2) Social pressure, i.e., public witnessing of the penalty, is the basic punishment (see also 5:38). The lashes shall be symbolic, not severe. the essence is to scandalise the parties involved in adultry, i.e is to shame them in public so they may refrain from such act in the future. i am sure no sane person would want to be whipped in public, not especially for adultry.

Mathematical Proof Supports Quranic Justice

[5:38] The thief, male or female, you shall mark their hands as a punishment for their crime, and to serve as an example from GOD. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.

The practice of cutting off the thief's hand, as decreed by the false Muslims, is a satanic practice without Quranic basis. Due to the special importance of this example, God has provided mathematical proof in support of marking the hand of the thief, rather than severing it. Verse (12:31) refers to the women who so admired Joseph that they ``cut'' their hands. Obviously, they did not ``cut off'' their hands; nobody can. The sum of sura and verse numbers are the same for 5:38 and 12:31, i.e., 43. It is also the will and mercy of God that this mathematical relationship conforms with the Quran's 19-based code. Nineteen verses after 12:31, we see the same word (12:50).

(5+38 = 43) also (12+31 = 43). As u can see , the same word for the word "cut or mark" was used in the two cases, but most translators of the quran have decided to use the the word "cut" for (12:31) while they used the word "cut-off" for (5:38) due to the influence of their corrupted ancestors. But as u can see God in his mercy proved to us that infact what He meant is the same for both cases through his mathemaitcal coding of the Quran. This phenomenon of coding in the quran parvades the whole of quran.

hope u are satisfied, thanks.

@tunnytox

please i just want u to realise that what those socalled muslim did is un-islamic and has no basis in the Qur'an or islam. the stonning to death of the adulterer and adulteress was added to islam by the corrupted scholars of islam some centuries after the death of muhammad.
if u look at that law, it is actually of biblical origin. Now lets see Gods' law according to the Qur'an.


[4:15]  Those who commit adultery among your women, you must have four witnesses against them, from among you. If they do bear witness, then you shall keep such women in their homes until they die, or until GOD creates an exit for them.

According to God in the above verses; A woman witnessed by four people in the act of committing adultery on four different occasions, with four different partners, represents a danger to public health. Such a woman is a depository of germs, and a health quarantine protects the society from her. A good example of an exit that saves a quarantined woman is marriage - someone may wish to marry her, and thus protect her and the society.

As u can see, Gods law is always with wisdom. however, when ppl decide to do away with Gods law infavor of laws of men, then there will consequencies. see also the verse below.

[24:2]  The adulteress and the adulterer you shall whip each of them a hundred lashes. Do not be swayed by pity from carrying out GOD's law, if you truly believe in GOD and the Last Day. And let a group of believers witness their penalty.

As u can see from above verse, (4:2) Social pressure, i.e., public witnessing of the penalty, is the basic punishment (see also 5:38). The lashes shall be symbolic, not severe. the essence is to scandalise the parties involved in adultry, i.e is to shame them in public so they may refrain from such act in the future. i am sure no sane person would want to be whipped in public, not especially for adultry.

     Mathematical Proof Supports Quranic Justice

[5:38]  The thief, male or female, you shall mark their hands as a punishment for their crime, and to serve as an example from GOD. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.

The practice of cutting off the thief's hand, as decreed by the false Muslims, is a satanic practice without Quranic basis. Due to the special importance of this example, God has provided mathematical proof in support of marking the hand of the thief, rather than severing it. Verse (12:31) refers to the women who so admired Joseph that they ``cut'' their hands. Obviously, they did not ``cut off'' their hands; nobody can. The sum of sura and verse numbers are the same for 5:38 and 12:31, i.e., 43. It is also the will and mercy of God that this mathematical relationship conforms with the Quran's 19-based code. Nineteen verses after 12:31, we see the same word (12:50).

(5+38 = 43)  also  (12+31 = 43).  As u can see , the same word for the word "cut  or mark" was used in the two cases, but most translators of the quran have decided to use the the word "cut" for (12:31) while they used the word "cut-off" for (5:38)  due to the influence of their corrupted ancestors. But as u can see God in his mercy proved to us that infact what He meant is the same for both cases through his mathemaitcal coding of the Quran. This phenomenon of coding in the quran parvades the whole of quran.

hope u are satisfied,  thanks.

@realtol

your response to my former post was not quite encouraging. all u said was it is educating. if u didn't read all of it pls do.
then pls just tell me honestly what u think. do u think what i am promoting is falsehood or u think there are facts in them. pls do just that.
i started a topic "reassessing our faiths" on the main nairaland religious home page, i think it's on the 7th or what page now, no idea! but please chk it out.

@realtol

sorry i never made my point clearer. its cos i was busy somehow, !

i get your point now. the truth is, the crime this ppl commit in the name of islam, really has nothing to do with islam or the prophet muhammad(SAW).
islam advocates peace in all edeavors, the quran is my judge. when ever the quran talks of slaying the disbelievers, it really refers to those who were at war with the prophet during his time. he migrated to medina to avoid war, but his persecutors still wanted to battle him, and thats why he was ordered to put up a resistance. i can't immagine someone sending me out of my humble abode, then i go find some place else to stay and yet he still wants to opress me and then i remain silent; even when i have no where else to turn to.its done no where like that.

secondly, the boko-haram, bin laden and their likes, have no justification what so ever for the crimes they commit against humanity. i am i no way in support of such actions. God says in the Quran, "if anyone kills another person, it is as though he has killed the whole of humanity; and if anyone saves the life another, it is as though he has saved the whole of humanity".   that is how much God wants us to value the human life.

thirdly, i don't think  all muslims should be labelled as evil or terrorist just because of the actions of a few bad ones. take the example of Hiltler; Hitler committed the most heinous crime against humanity. he incinerated about two million jews. Hitler was a christian; should all christians be labelled as tyrants because of hitlers crime? no.

lastly, i don't support bin laden in anyway but; the socalled 9/11 was never by bin laden or al-qaidah.  the American government was responsible. i knw what u are thinking, ! but thats the truth. remember the video shown by CNN , where bin laden supposedly was confessing to the crime! if u look at that video, bin laden is shown writting witting with his right hand, while everyone knows that bin laden is infact left handed. the character in that video is a bit chunky than bin laden. Al-jazeera ntwk showed another video where bin laden is actually denying involvement, infact he was ill at the time. u may not blive me , but go to the internet(youtube.com) and  type 9/11 evidence. in the video that u'll watch u'll see an american conspiracy theorist proving beyond doubt that the 9/11 was staged by the americans. further more; go to the FBI website and look-up the top most wanted ppl, u'll see bin laden listed number one and all the crime he commited. all the crimes named including blowing up american embassy in 1998, but ironically nothing on 9/11. when the FBI was pressed as to why it wasn't included; they said they didn't have enough evidence that it was bin laden. but here u have the media saying other wise. but howmany ppl would blive this? jsut like they argue blidly in religion with no fact at all. waanna no more? visit (www.alexjones.com    , www.fora.tv).
why would the american goverrnment do that u may ask?  it is not easy to remain the worlds number one super power!!!!

u may wonder how come i knw all these; well i have been a student of conspiracy theory for a while now, and i knw nothing happens in this world for no reason. thats the law of the cosmos. lets just say i try my best to do my home work as best as i can, along the way God also blesses me.

i know i have gone off point, but what da heck, its just for the fun of it. so let me even give u one more heavy blow.

have u ever wondered why there are so many diseases, new ones and old ones which is claimed to have no cure. i will give the answer plus proof, so that u knw that wen i argue wit all this ppl, its not cos i am jobless ,but cos the truth is not easy to come by.

(cancer & hiv): for more than 100 yrs now, cancer has been killing millions of ppl and yet has no cure. this inspite of the technological advaancement man has gone through. the same way they managed it 100yrs(chemo-therapy) ago is sitll the same way today, only with refinement in the tools used. the same for HIV. Do u really think anybody who has witnessed such great leaps science has made over the past 50yrs to blive that ther are no cures for these ailments? not at all, i for one never fell for such deception. there are cures for all this diseases, but wickedly the american government have supressed the info from the public. they do not want anything like a cure, they are the ones who engineered the diseases in the first instance.  if only u knew what their governments makes from the sales of pharmaeutical drugs, then u'll come to knw why it is that way. they are the ones who provide the retro-viral to us; just think of what that means in monetary terms. u don't have to take my words for it, but go to  google; type "FDA supression"(food and drug administration) supression. the FDA is the body that regulates the use of food and drugs in America ; just like NAFDAC.

Anyone who claims to have a cure for any of the aforementioned ailments, is either killed, sileced or imprisoned. let me cite a classical xmple for u.
"ABALAKA"; yes!!  what about him? have u ever wondered what became of him? this intelligent man was a nobel price winner in medicine at the Ahmadu bello university Zaria. how possible is for this knowledgable person to come on National television to make a joke of himself? Zero!
All it took for them to silence him was for the "W.H.O" to come down and warn Naija.

i for one know of cures to these ailments,but it is pointless saying it here, cos no one would blive. even though i am an engineer, like i said earlier; i always do my home work.

"just know that most if not all pathogenic organisms(viral,fungal,bacterial) are anaerobic". lay mans term; meaning they can't survive in oxygenated enviroment. thats why u hear that HiV cannot survive outside the body. that is a big HINT right there>>>>

please verify all i said earlier on, cos i want u to knw that wen i post stuff here, its not cos i just wanna argue but cos i done most of my home work while most where busy with worldly affairs or sleeping. i dont argue blindly, but with facts.

@reltol

u said the prophet muhammds' occupation was fighting wars during his era. also u said that era is over, so are the muslims still advocate war.

i will give u a clear answer later, citing the necessary Qur'anic verses. since God is the ultimate judge and witness to all events before and after us.

for now just know that the prophet never was the agressor. when he was persecuted and when his ppl plotted to assasinate him, what he did was to migrate away from his city mecca to medina just to avoid war. u see, if he loved war the way u said it, he would'nt have migrated in order for peace to reign. howeve let me ask u this question. if someone came to your home and try to take all ur property and even ur home and threatens ur life, tell me what will u do?

will u just sit back and say, take as much of my stuff as u can, even my home too? or would u put up a resistance?

i am quite sure the second option will be most appropriate, especially if other ppls lives are endangered as well. that's what God odered the prophet to do in the quran, but He also said if the ppl refrained from their opression then mercy should be granted.
will complete later!

@olabowale &
@muhsin

God says the quran has been made easy to understand for those fo us who choose to learn. where did God ever say the prophet is the one to xplain the Quran. i have cited on and on xmples, but u still can't see the truth. everyone knows that as one generation succeeds another, our way of thinking and intelligence increases. yet we choose to take the "tafsirs"(explanations of Quran) of ppl of old(centuries ago) over Gods'. u guys be honest, have u ever tried using your own mind and brains to understanding the quran yourselves?  see below, so emphatic that God repeated it several times.

[54:17]  We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn?
[54:22]  We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn?
[54:32]  We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn?
[54:40]  We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn?

u say if u don't follow the hadith u can't know how to observe the duties of islam, right.  it's clear that ppl don't blive God when he says the quran is complete and detailed, and that He had made it easy for all to understand. i have already given the respose to your question to one of the threads, but i'll put it below. however, we must knw that the hadith and sunna where fabrications attributed to our beloved prophet. some centuries after his death is when all this collection of oral traditions started. his immediate followers were pious ppl, they were never the ones who fabricated such blasphemies. in one of the thread, i highlighted the problems with the socalled "sahih hadiths".  the reports in the hadiths have made millions of muslims in world today idolize muhammad muhammad agaist his will. i will cite one example to u b4 i post the answer.
As u know the shahadaah(proclaiming faith) is mentioned in the quran, and there is no mention of muhammads name alongside Gods'. but a certain hadith by "abu huraiara" narrated how he, abu huraira was given the shahadaah by the apostle. today even in their prayers, the muslim can't help but also call muhammads name(in azhan and in the sitting position), they do not realise that this is flagrant idolatry. see verses of shahadaah.
the quran xpalains why the jews,christians and the muslims follow the word of men instead of Gods' see below,

     Fabrications by the Prophet's Enemies

[6:112]  We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.

no matter how beautiful a hadith is, is still don't matter, cos God says the Quran is complete and detailed. therefore we should not accept any other source as a reigious law.



     The Most Important Commandment

[3:18]  GOD bears witness that there is no god except He(Laa Elaaha Ell Allah), and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge. Truthfully and equitably, He is the absolute god; there is no god but He, the Almighty, Most Wise.


     One God/One Message/One Religion

[21:25]  We did not send any messenger before you(muhammad) except with the inspiration: "There is no god except Me(Laa Elaah Ell Allah); you shall worship Me alone."

The hypocrites are the ones that say muhammad is the messenger of God, God knnows he is His messenger and do not need for us to keep reminding Him.

[63:1]  When the hypocrites come to you they say, "We bear witness that you are the messenger of GOD( rasool Ell Allah)."GOD knows that you are His messenger, and GOD bears witness that the hypocrites are liars.

When God says He is the one who teaches the quran, this is what He means. as u can see there is not part on the quran where u see God put a name besides His name. No human creature should be put near God not even in our dreams. check out the following verses.

[72:18]  The places of worship(masjid) belong to GOD; do not call on anyone else beside GOD.

but do the muslims really follow this. how they have been decieved by the hadith(satan). God says the only unforgivable sin is shirk(idolatry), so we think satan is not aware of this. if satan was able to trick adam and eve, who despite in contact with God, yet fell victim of his deceptions. who then do we think we are to be immune from his might. satan knows going against God is infact idolatry. he tricked the christians and the muslims, and all other religions for that matter.

see my response to zayhal, when she asked the same question as yours. i have not completed it. see below

@zayhal

peace to you!

firstly i'd like to knw if u are a muslim or a non-muslim.
but my guess is that u are a muslim, cos the question u put forth with no offense, is the same question most ignorant muslims raise when ever u show them the verses where God tells us that the quran is complete and fully detailed and as such we should not find any other source outside of it.
pardon me, but the truth is, the reason all this muslims don't understand the quran is cos they don't really believe those verses. God says in the Quran the moment you habor any doubt about any verse in the quran, then u'll never have access to understanding it. there u have it, thats the reson millions of muslims have derailed from the teachings of quran.
before i answer your question let me cite the following verses,


[6:38]  All the creatures on earth, and all the birds that fly with wings, are communities like you. We did not leave anything out of this book. To their Lord, all these creatures will be summoned.


[6:114]  Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.



[18:57]  Who are more evil than those who are reminded of their Lord's proofs, then disregard them, without realizing what they are doing. Consequently, we place shields on their hearts to prevent them from understanding it (the Quran), and deafness in their ears. Thus, no matter what you do to guide them, they can never ever be guided.

plesase remember these are the words of God,the all mighty, all knowing. the greatest teacher of all.

     Muhammad Forbidden from Explaining the Quran

[75:16]  Do not move your tongue to hasten it.
[75:17]  It is we who will collect it into Quran.
[75:18]  Once we recite it, you shall follow such a Quran.
[75:19]  Then it is we who will explain it.


As u can see the explanation of the quran is by God himself. there is a verse whre God says all those who believe should wake up during part of the night and read the Qur'an and  He God will give them the understanding of the Quran. i don't have the verse as am writting now, but i'll go thru the quran to find it and give it to u.
the xplanation of the quran is by God himself , this makes much sense because the wisdom and miraclous nature of the quran is perpetual, and not confined to a certain time. this xplains why things like the big-bag theory, the embryological stages, the invisible barrier btw salt and sweet water, and ultimately the mathematical coding of the quran where all discovered only when our level of thinking has developed well enough to understand them.
unfortunately the muslims have been decieved into thinking the quran is hard to understand, but easy if u consider the hadith and the tafsirs. however God said he maid it easy for all to understand. tell me, is it God u believe or the scholars who added innovations to the religion some centuries  after the death of the prophet and are still doing so till date.

i swear by God the Quran is self explanatory. i am a scientist(engineer), and i believe in rational thinking(logic). thats why God made science the peak of human knowledge, so we may use it to better know him. unfortunately ppl take-in to different absurdities that defy common sense. they believe the illogicalities that are said to render the explantions to the quran.

Now let me address your Question,   if u read the quran carefully and intelligently, u'll agree with the following.

firstly God said the founder of islam is Abraham, this is strongly expressed even so that God commanded muhammad to follow the religion of Abraham, that is islam. Abraham is the founder of islam, contrary to what the majority of muslims knw. God throuhg out quran calls islam the religion of Abraham.

[2:130]  Who would forsake the religion of Abraham, except one who fools his own soul? We have chosen him in this world, and in the Hereafter he will be with the righteous.

     Submission (Islam): Abraham's Religion

[2:135]  They said, "You have to be Jewish or Christian, to be guided." Say, "We follow the religion of Abraham - monotheism - he never was an idol worshiper."

[3:95]  Say, "GOD has proclaimed the truth: You shall follow Abraham's religion - monotheism. He never was an idolater."

     Abraham: Original Messenger of Islam

[4:125]  Who is better guided in his religion than one who submits totally to GOD, leads a righteous life, according to the creed of Abraham: monotheism? GOD has chosen Abraham as a beloved friend.

[6:161]  Say, "My Lord has guided me in a straight path - the perfect religion of Abraham, monotheism. He never was an idol worshiper."

[12:37]  He said, "If any food is provided to you, I can inform you about it before you receive it. This is some of the knowledge bestowed upon me by my Lord. I have forsaken the religion of people who do not believe in GOD, and with regard to the Hereafter, they are really disbelievers.
[12:38]  "And I followed instead the religion of my ancestors, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. We never set up any idols beside GOD. Such is the blessing from GOD upon us and upon the people, but most people are unappreciative.

     Muhammad: A Follower of Abraham

[16:123]  Then we inspired you (Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham, the monotheist; he never was an idol worshiper.


The question any intelligent muslim or any person for tha matter should ask is; if Abraham is the founder of islam and muhammad is following is religion, then what practices did he contribute to islam?.  God lets us know in the quran that all rreligious duties(salaat,zakkat,hajj and so on) was handed to us via Abraham.

     Abraham: Delivered All
     Religious Duties of Submission (Islam)

[21:72]  And we granted him Isaac and Jacob as a gift, and we made them both righteous.
[21:73]  We made them imams who guided in accordance with our commandments, and we taught them how to work righteousness, and how to observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and the obligatory charity (Zakat).To us, they were devoted worshipers.

[22:78]  You shall strive for the cause of GOD as you should strive for His cause. He has chosen you and has placed no hardship on you in practicing your religion - the religion of your father Abraham. He is the one who named you "Submitters" originally. Thus, the messenger shall serve as a witness among you, and you shall serve as witnesses among the people. Therefore, you shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), and hold fast to GOD; He is your Lord, the best Lord and the best Supporter.

now u see why God never mentioned the way the contact prayers(sallat) is observed in the Quran. that is because the ppl of muhammad then did perform salaat, but they added innovations to it and they also added idolatary(shirk) by praying to God through such gods as; allat and manat, which were mentioned in the quran. however; anytime religion is been corrupted, God always sends a messenger to correct the ppls ways. thats what God did also in muhammad's case. if u look at Qura'an those parts that were corrected are mentioned. the corrections such as; ablution, no other entity should be mensioned in the presence of God, salaat(contact prayer) should not be in silence, all these are mensioned in the Quran. unfortunately the muslims do not follow, because the socalled hadith has obsecured their way of thinking, and they rather follow obey the words of men over the words of God.

And thats why u see in the very earliest suras,God commands the prophet to observe the salaat. so u see, it has been a tradition, so there was no need teaching something u already knw. but corrections where made. however go to the hadith, u will see the multiple fake account given there. an incident whre the prophet bargained with God over the units of the sallaat. As if God is not omnipotent and omniscient like we always sing. ppl dont know the meaning of this words.

let me give u a clear example;  how does a yoruba native know his culture?  does it have to be documented in book before he knows his culture?  of course not!  it is a tradition that has been passed down from generation to generation. similarly the salaat was very much the same. it is just like us today, we learn the salaat cos we met our parents doing it.

all the names of the salaat were mentiond in the Quran and also the specific times to observe them. i will give u that soon. for now see the following corruptions in the islam today.

1)adding muhammads name to the shadaat(proclamation of faith)
1)saying sallat in silence in the two noon salaat
3)wrong ablution

sorry i'll complete lata. got to go now

@muhsin  & jarus

u say if u don't follow the hadith u can't know how to observe the duties of islam, right.  it's clear that ppl don't blive God when he says the quran is complete and detailed, and that He had made it easy for all to understand. i have already given the respose to your question to one of the threads, but i'll put it below. however, we must knw that the hadith and sunna where fabrications attributed to our beloved prophet. some centuries after his death is when all this collection of oral traditions started. his immediate followers were pious ppl, they were never the ones who fabricated such blasphemies. in one of the thread, i highlighted the problems with the socalled "sahih hadiths".  the reports in the hadiths have made millions of muslims in world today idolize muhammad muhammad agaist his will. i will cite one example to u b4 i post the answer.
As u know the shahadaah(proclaiming faith) is mentioned in the quran, and there is no mention of muhammads name alongside Gods'. but a certain hadith by "abu huraiara" narrated how he, abu huraira was given the shahadaah by the apostle. today even in their prayers, the muslim can't help but also call muhammads name(in azhan and in the sitting position), they do not realise that this is flagrant idolatry. see verses of shahadaah.

     The Most Important Commandment

[3:18]  GOD bears witness that there is no god except He(Laa Elaaha Ell Allah), and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge. Truthfully and equitably, He is the absolute god; there is no god but He, the Almighty, Most Wise.


     One God/One Message/One Religion

[21:25]  We did not send any messenger before you(muhammad) except with the inspiration: "There is no god except Me(Laa Elaah Ell Allah); you shall worship Me alone."

The hypocrites are the ones that say muhammad is the messenger of God, God knnows he is His messenger and do not need for us to keep reminding Him.

[63:1]  When the hypocrites come to you they say, "We bear witness that you are the messenger of GOD( rasool Ell Allah)."GOD knows that you are His messenger, and GOD bears witness that the hypocrites are liars.

When God says He is the one who teaches the quran, this is what He means. as u can see there is not part on the quran where u see God put a name besides His name. No human creature should be put near God not even in our dreams. check out the following verses.

[72:18]  The places of worship(masjid) belong to GOD; do not call on anyone else beside GOD.

but do the muslims really follow this. how they have been decieved by the hadith(satan). God says the only unforgivable sin is shirk(idolatry), so we think satan is not aware of this. if satan was able to trick adam and eve, who despite in contact with God, yet fell victim of his deceptions. who then do we think we are to be immune from his might. satan knows going against God is infact idolatry. he tricked the christians and the muslims, and all other religions for that matter.

see my response to zayhal, when she asked the same question as yours. i have not completed it. see below

@zayhal

peace to you!

firstly i'd like to knw if u are a muslim or a non-muslim.
but my guess is that u are a muslim, cos the question u put forth with no offense, is the same question most ignorant muslims raise when ever u show them the verses where God tells us that the quran is complete and fully detailed and as such we should not find any other source outside of it.
pardon me, but the truth is, the reason all this muslims don't understand the quran is cos they don't really believe those verses. God says in the Quran the moment you habor any doubt about any verse in the quran, then u'll never have access to understanding it. there u have it, thats the reson millions of muslims have derailed from the teachings of quran.
before i answer your question let me cite the following verses,


[6:38] All the creatures on earth, and all the birds that fly with wings, are communities like you. We did not leave anything out of this book. To their Lord, all these creatures will be summoned.


[6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.



[18:57] Who are more evil than those who are reminded of their Lord's proofs, then disregard them, without realizing what they are doing. Consequently, we place shields on their hearts to prevent them from understanding it (the Quran), and deafness in their ears. Thus, no matter what you do to guide them, they can never ever be guided.

plesase remember these are the words of God,the all mighty, all knowing. the greatest teacher of all.

Muhammad Forbidden from Explaining the Quran

[75:16] Do not move your tongue to hasten it.
[75:17] It is we who will collect it into Quran.
[75:18] Once we recite it, you shall follow such a Quran.
[75:19] Then it is we who will explain it.


As u can see the explanation of the quran is by God himself. there is a verse whre God says all those who believe should wake up during part of the night and read the Qur'an and He God will give them the understanding of the Quran. i don't have the verse as am writting now, but i'll go thru the quran to find it and give it to u.
the xplanation of the quran is by God himself , this makes much sense because the wisdom and miraclous nature of the quran is perpetual, and not confined to a certain time. this xplains why things like the big-bag theory, the embryological stages, the invisible barrier btw salt and sweet water, and ultimately the mathematical coding of the quran where all discovered only when our level of thinking has developed well enough to understand them.
unfortunately the muslims have been decieved into thinking the quran is hard to understand, but easy if u consider the hadith and the tafsirs. however God said he maid it easy for all to understand. tell me, is it God u believe or the scholars who added innovations to the religion some centuries after the death of the prophet and are still doing so till date.

i swear by God the Quran is self explanatory. i am a scientist(engineer), and i believe in rational thinking(logic). thats why God made science the peak of human knowledge, so we may use it to better know him. unfortunately ppl take-in to different absurdities that defy common sense. they believe the illogicalities that are said to render the explantions to the quran.

Now let me address your Question, if u read the quran carefully and intelligently, u'll agree with the following.

firstly God said the founder of islam is Abraham, this is strongly expressed even so that God commanded muhammad to follow the religion of Abraham, that is islam. Abraham is the founder of islam, contrary to what the majority of muslims knw. God throuhg out quran calls islam the religion of Abraham.

[2:130] Who would forsake the religion of Abraham, except one who fools his own soul? We have chosen him in this world, and in the Hereafter he will be with the righteous.

Submission (Islam): Abraham's Religion

[2:135] They said, "You have to be Jewish or Christian, to be guided." Say, "We follow the religion of Abraham - monotheism - he never was an idol worshiper."

[3:95] Say, "GOD has proclaimed the truth: You shall follow Abraham's religion - monotheism. He never was an idolater."

Abraham: Original Messenger of Islam

[4:125] Who is better guided in his religion than one who submits totally to GOD, leads a righteous life, according to the creed of Abraham: monotheism? GOD has chosen Abraham as a beloved friend.

[6:161] Say, "My Lord has guided me in a straight path - the perfect religion of Abraham, monotheism. He never was an idol worshiper."

[12:37] He said, "If any food is provided to you, I can inform you about it before you receive it. This is some of the knowledge bestowed upon me by my Lord. I have forsaken the religion of people who do not believe in GOD, and with regard to the Hereafter, they are really disbelievers.
[12:38] "And I followed instead the religion of my ancestors, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. We never set up any idols beside GOD. Such is the blessing from GOD upon us and upon the people, but most people are unappreciative.

Muhammad: A Follower of Abraham

[16:123] Then we inspired you (Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham, the monotheist; he never was an idol worshiper.


The question any intelligent muslim or any person for tha matter should ask is; if Abraham is the founder of islam and muhammad is following is religion, then what practices did he contribute to islam?. God lets us know in the quran that all rreligious duties(salaat,zakkat,hajj and so on) was handed to us via Abraham.

Abraham: Delivered All
Religious Duties of Submission (Islam)

[21:72] And we granted him Isaac and Jacob as a gift, and we made them both righteous.
[21:73] We made them imams who guided in accordance with our commandments, and we taught them how to work righteousness, and how to observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and the obligatory charity (Zakat).To us, they were devoted worshipers.

[22:78] You shall strive for the cause of GOD as you should strive for His cause. He has chosen you and has placed no hardship on you in practicing your religion - the religion of your father Abraham. He is the one who named you "Submitters" originally. Thus, the messenger shall serve as a witness among you, and you shall serve as witnesses among the people. Therefore, you shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), and hold fast to GOD; He is your Lord, the best Lord and the best Supporter.

now u see why God never mentioned the way the contact prayers(sallat) is observed in the Quran. that is because the ppl of muhammad then did perform salaat, but they added innovations to it and they also added idolatary(shirk) by praying to God through such gods as; allat and manat, which were mentioned in the quran. however; anytime religion is been corrupted, God always sends a messenger to correct the ppls ways. thats what God did also in muhammad's case. if u look at Qura'an those parts that were corrected are mentioned. the corrections such as; ablution, no other entity should be mensioned in the presence of God, salaat(contact prayer) should not be in silence, all these are mensioned in the Quran. unfortunately the muslims do not follow, because the socalled hadith has obsecured their way of thinking, and they rather follow obey the words of men over the words of God.

And thats why u see in the very earliest suras,God commands the prophet to observe the salaat. so u see, it has been a tradition, so there was no need teaching something u already knw. but corrections where made. however go to the hadith, u will see the multiple fake account given there. an incident whre the prophet bargained with God over the units of the sallaat. As if God is not omnipotent and omniscient like we always sing. ppl dont know the meaning of this words.

let me give u a clear example; how does a yoruba native know his culture? does it have to be documented in book before he knows his culture? of course not! it is a tradition that has been passed down from generation to generation. similarly the salaat was very much the same. it is just like us today, we learn the salaat cos we met our parents doing it.

all the names of the salaat were mentiond in the Quran and also the specific times to observe them. i will give u that soon. for now see the following corruptions in the islam today.

1)adding muhammads name to the shadaat(proclamation of faith)
1)saying sallat in silence in the two noon salaat
3)wrong ablution

sorry i'll complete lata. got to go now