₦airaland Forum

When I said making a polytechnic graduate Finance Minister will ruin our economy APC E-agents attacked me. ₦516 to $1 proves I am right! Kemi Adeosun graduated from the Polytechnic of East London which was later upgraded to university status in 1992 AFTER She had graduated and was renamed University of East London. Specialized ministries like finance need your very best. I know those who went to polytechnics will feel insulted and I apologize but it is better feel insulted than to be broke and when you have ₦516 to $1, you are broke . RENO OMOKRI, YOU ARE A FOOL. WHEN JONATHAN MESSED UP THE ECONOMY PHD HOLDERS WERE NOT INSULTED.

Reno Omokri also known as Beaf should be reminded that Patience Jonathan and her husband are not HND holders . HND holders are not responsible for the failure of PDP in 16 years. HND holders are not also responsible for the crisis in PDP . Those who stole dollars and put it in septic tank are not HND holders . To put your frustration on HND holders is the most foolish thing you have done in 2017.

Environmental engineering is a major in civil engineering department. It is a very interesting course. The major problem is that it has not been properly integrated into the scheme of service in government. It's definition in the scheme of service is ambiguous. It is regarded as sewerage engineering and civil engineers are made to take up up their job. For the guy who study safety technology, I doubt if you will be able to study environmental engineering. In as much as safety is closely related to environmental engineering, the course is more of civil engineering courses which you may not have done. Unless you will have to do top up in certain core areas if the University will allow that.

I want to appeal to the army to protect innocent citizens of the niger delta in course of this operation.

His Royal Majesty Abiloye Ikenwole Emiko has spoken the mind of majority of peace loving Niger Delta people. Militancy is killing our economy in the niger delta.

BSC VS HND COMPETITION IN ENGINEERING WILL EXPOSE THEIR WEAKNESS. I AM VERY SURE THAT BSC HOLDERS CANT MATCH US IN THE FIELD OF ENGINEERING.

@Asala, I expected you to dwell on the issue and stop this childish talk of inferiority complex. I have never seen myself as being inferior to university graduates and I can never regard them as my superior under any circumstance. I gave you all a small assignment to prove me wrong by generating enough premises to nullify my argument. Instead of focusing on how to show that you guys are better, you resulted to personal attack which doesn't bother me. The more you try to attack me instead of providing answers to the questions I asked above, the more I am being tempted to believe that most of you didn't write your Waec by yourself. You are product of special centres.

Mr. Lecturer totally deviated from the subject matter and started praising himself. That is not logical. Any body can sit in front of a computer and type messages telling everyone that he has traveled round the world. He has a first class blablabla . That has nothing to do with my logical argument that is subsisting. I don't see the formula connecting his paper qualification and his inability to prove logically beyond reasonable doubt that BSC holders are better than their HND counterpart. It is even more ridiculous when he said I cannot survive a degree program whereas prostitute that hardly read their books are bagging degrees every day. If people whose formations are constantly being drilled such that some are experiencing blow out while others are experiencing lost circulation can bag degrees from their hotel rooms then it amount to academic rascality and an aberration of the highest order for the supposed learned Lecturer to insinuate that I cannot survive a degree program.

I will respond to you later. I am a very busy man. The reason why I am very busy is because University graduates in my office hardly do any thing without my supervision. They are liability in the office. Apart from the fact that they have deficiency in handling engineering problems, they can't write ordinary memo to PS.

You said a university graduate is likely to perform better than me even if he or she is admitted with poor waec certificate but you couldn't provide information on why and how you think he will do better than me. Please enjoy your ignorance because it is obvious you don't have an idea of what polytechnic education is all about. I don't argue with people who think only in one direction. I know it sound strange to you that I am building a mini helicopter. I sympathize with you because by your training, it seem impossible to you because you don't even have an idea of how to transfer design to physical component that is useful to mankind. I can understand your plight but not withstanding the forgoing, I expected you to have some element of positive thinking because you claim to be a lecturer.

A student who get five credits in two sittings will need a special miracle to be like me in the University even if I spend five years in the polytechnic playing. The difference between five and nine is four credits. Some persons have spent the last five years writing waec, they have not been able to get four credits. At O level, I was already solving 300 level problems in calculus. I don't want to be a theoretical professor. I want to be an inventor. Watch out for my mini surveillance aircraft coming up in the next five years. I will post it here for you to see. We PTI graduates don't make mouth. We make things happen wherever we find ourselves.

Mr. Lecturer, you talked about some polytechnic graduates who have problem with English language. It is disheartening to note that you rely on few poly graduates who have problem with English language to make conclusion on your superiority theory. Let me educate you a little about engineering and other technology related courses that polytechnics were originally established to offer. English language plays very little role in engineering. The reason is that there are engineers and medical doctors in other countries who don't know how to speak English. They were trained with their own language. The core subject that you need is physics, chemistry, mathematics, biology, agric depending on the area of engineering you want to study. It is pertinent to note that patience Jonathan is not a product of polytechnic. The man who propounded my oga at the top theory is not a product of polytechnic. Above all, I have seen an English graduate of delta state university who doesn't know how to write official letter. Is that enough for me to generalize that University graduates have problem with English language?

@Edo boy, you have succeeded in demystifying the fraud in the University system of education. I expected you to tell me what the universities with so many professors have applied their theoretical based education to produce in Nigeria that has stimulated the economy. Most conventions and standards used in the oil industry are developed by American Petroleum Institute. Eg API gravity, API gas equation, API standard measurement.

Mr. Lecturer, if you understand gaussan distribution very well and probability theory, you will not generalize that all University graduates are better than polytechnic graduates. The probability that all University graduates are better than polytechnic graduates does not exist. To also believe that all University graduates are good because they are taught by professors is illogical. I am not also saying that all poly graduates are good. As I am typing this message from a popular joint , I can see a lot of your university students who are prostitute around and they will eventually graduate with degrees from hotel room where they hustle. For you to think that I cannot survive a degree program where these prostitutes are bagging degrees from hotel rooms shows how shallow the level of your reasoning is. I am being tempted to believe that you are a product of special Centres and university examination malpractice. That you are a lecturer does not mean you are intelligent.

@Mr. Lecturer, I find it very difficult to believe that you are a lecturer in the first place. Your level of reasoning and your presentation has given you away. You have not been able to give any justifiable reason to substantiate your position on the matter. If a University lecturer can exhibit this low level of logical thinking, then your students will do worse. I have a degree holder as a wife and I know how long it takes me to teach her things she is supposed to know as a degree holder. My argument that every student taught by a professor is not automatically intelligent is still subsisting. I expected the supposed learned lecturer to create enough premises logically to nullify my argument. All he could say is that professors are respected. The number of professors determines the rating of a university and that automatically makes their product better and more efficient on the job. Mr. Lecturer, I totally disagree with your baseless assertions. Certificates are awarded on the bases of knowledge acquired. Knowledge acquired is tested through examination. Therefore examination should be the basis for determining superiority. If only University graduates pass such exam and non of them fail because there are so many professors in their schools while no body passes the exam among polytechnic graduates who sit for the same examination, then your superiority theory will be valid. I will not contest it with you. Until then, your theory remains a fallacy and therefore not valid. To this end therefore, it will not be unwise for you to withdraw your baseless argument. I rest my case for now.

@Edo boy, when you engage in intellectual discussion, please learn to create good premises before making conclusion. You are just making assertion without any fact to substantiate your claim. I have given you reasons why I think polytechnic education is better for Nigeria at this stage of our national development. All you have done is to make baseless assertions that are not logical. Most core lecturers in the polytechnic passed through the polytechnic system . Those who didn't pass through the polytechnic system spend between six to ten years to adapt to the polytechnic system of education. Others are sent abroad for special training. My lecturer told me that he spent about 10 years learning the polytechnic system of education before he could effectively lecture. Just the way most PhD holders and professors who passed through the polytechnic system are lecturing in the University. For your information, my ultimate goal in life is to become a university lecturer. Will that change my polytechnic background?

@Edo boy, for your information, most University graduates employed into the oil industry are sent to PTI for training before they start working. If you are a PTI product, they don't bother to send you for training unless it is training abroad. We are proud of what we have. We acquire real practical and theoretical knowledge that is needed by the oil industry. Even with the discrimination, we still dominate them in the work place because BSc holders consult me every day and I make money from them. PTI is a great school. I never regretted my choice of PTI with my nine credit.

Although, northerners know that Nigeria as it is presently constituted is structurally defective and it can never work, they still prefer that the country remains the way it is because it to their own advantage. That is the problem with BSc holders. They know that they will amount to nothing without us but yet they want the status quo to remain even if it lead to a total collapse of the Nigerian economy

There is no difference between engineering mathematics in the polytechnic and university. It is area of focus that separate us. While we focus more on application of mathematics to solve real world problems, they focus on theory without the knowledge of what they can apply them to achieve in terms of production. While they dwell on pure quadratic and simultaneous equations, we dwell on world problems leading to quadratic and simultaneous equations. That doesn't mean they are superior to us. It is like the problem between North and Southern Nigeria.

If you feel University graduates are better , the best way to prove it is through examination by way of aptitude test for both poly and university graduates. If only University graduates pass the examination then employ or promote them. University graduates are running away from examination as a way of determining their superiority. For the avoidance of doubt, I am a product of the great Petroleum Training Institute

There are so many PhD holders and professors in my school. Mind you, having professors in school does not automatically make a student intelligent. It is hard work and self development that makes one outstanding.

I have not seen any University graduate that can compete with me in terms of practical and theory. This is in addition to the fact that I got the best result from the technical college I attended before gaining admission into the polytechnic. I gained admission into the polytechnic with nine credits which is clearly above University requirement. Those half baked graduates from the University who combine two results to get five credit cannot claim superiority over me. I have never accepted it and I will not accept it. I have written a letter to my permanent secretary that the scheme of service is a fraud perpetrated by University graduates to undermine polytechnic education. This fraud must be corrected for peace to reign in the education sector. Let me borrow from the law of equilibrium which states that when an imbalance is created in a system in equilibrium, there must be a continuous reaction until the balance is restored. We will continue to agitate until the balance is restored. Whether I have gotten MSC or not I will continue to support the call for parity because there is no evidence to suggest that University graduates are better. I will tell you why HND is better than BSc taking into consideration the state of the Nigerian economy later.

The problem we have in this country is that we want to start running when we are yet to learn how to crawl. We want to adopt American system of education but we fail to realize that America left where we are now over 200 years ago. China was smart enough to understand this fact and they took advantage of technology to develop their economy. Americans are complaining that whatever they design in America is mass produced in China. Like the above poster said. A developing country needs more of technologist than paper engineers. We need production of goods for export not theories. There are millions of theories and design out there that we can copy and produce and export to stimulate our economy.

We produced gear teeth and other machine parts in sapele technical college for three years. Why should we import bolt and nuts when the technical colleges can be strengthened to produce those components. Nigerian leaders are low thinkers. They don't use their brains because they consume too much alcohol and hard drugs

@Opey25, if your argument is based on the number of credit used to gain admission, it means that my HND is higher than most BSc because I have 9 credit in one sitting and most BSc holders combine waec and neco to get five credit. I wrote from my head not through runs and special centers like most University graduates do.

HND and BSC are equal in all ramifications. The dichotomy is a fraud. Give us the same examination or aptitude test. Who ever passes the exam should be promoted. Most BSc holders I know are very dull. They are afraid of aptitude test.

HND and BSC are equal in all ramifications. The dichotomy is a fraud. Give us the same examination or aptitude test. Who ever pass the exam should promoted. Most BSc holders I know are very dull. They are afraid of aptitude test.

I am happy at last. I can now put in my best into the civil service. Don't leverage on paper qualification to deceive people. Most BSc holders in the civil service cannot write memo. I am proud to be a graduate of PTI. The best petroleum Institute in Africa, far better than any University in Nigeria. We will
Now come together and begin to design marketable goods for export as a sign of appreciation to the FG and to also justify the decision. We don't need BSc holders to design for us but they cannot produce any thing on their own without us. What we need now is production not theory. So many theories abound that one can apply to develop marketable product for export. Since Isaac Newton develop the law of motion and escape velocity, how many air craft have we produced in Nigeria? BSc holders should continue to propound theories and keep in the library let us see how those theories will translate into marketable product for export that will stimulate the economy.