YourHealthlabs: Nigerians brace up, 80% of professionals and workers in the health sector will soon withdraw their services.

I'm sorry the other 20% (who are currently asking for heaven and earth) won't be able to meet your demands no matter how hard they try.

Thank you.

Are you saying sheer numbers should dictate who gets what?
I may not know a lot about the medical system, but I have always wondered what the point of JOHESU is?
How can a myriad of different healthcare professionals (pharmacists, nurses, medical laboratory scientists, etc) form an umbrella group separate from another set of healthcare professionals (doctors) ?
why don't they have their own individual professional or industrial bodies?
Are we trying to say these bodies (apart from doctors) don't have internal squabbles just like JOHESU and NMA?
I believe no set of healthcare professionals is indispensable.
I also see both sides as selfish, because they're forgetting the primary reason for their profession-the patients.

coogar:

i strongly disagree!
sex is split into two. recreation & procreation. if i am having sex solely for recreation, there's no single reason my partner should make it go as far as procreation. we both agreed to have sex, we should also agree together on what to do with the consequence. we must have the same decision whether to keep it or terminate it.

if the agreement before the deed was solely for recreation then we must terminate it. if she then develops cold feet to terminate or got born again along the line & she carries the baby to term then she shoulder the responsibility.

Well said.
The harpies who call themselves feminists on this thread are trying to downplay the recreation part for females, as if they were a log of wood, a mere receptacle for the guy's seed, not willing and consenting partners in the action.
They make out that the baby is the product of the man's seed alone, not knowing it takes to make a baby.
This is the 21st century; most ladies cannot lay claim to ignorance about the myriads of contraception, and any lady who gets pregnant for a guy who is clearly not ready for a baby and decides to keep it only is a leech and a parasite.

Mondisweets:

Sweety i can actually make something out of myself, so i don't ever make the mistake of being with shallow-minded and short-sighted men like you

You CAN make something something out of yourself;I HAVE MADE something out of myself.
Stop deluding yourself; I wouldn't be caught dead with someone like you.
Now, you'll excuse me if I don't continue to show you for what you are; I have got to go to work.

Mondisweets:

tell me when your opnion has changed the legal position of most countries with regards to child support and the role of the father and i will give you an award for it
Your little self-proclaimed victory on a small faceless forum, still hasn't changed anything in the real world

Oh please! go look for a man to get pregnant for and milk him for child support; you sound like you would be adept at it.
I can think of a number of things you can do to yourself with your award.
None of them involves you keeping it.

Mondisweets: Whether a man wants a child or not is irrelevant. Fact remains, a child exists and both parents have a legal duty to ensure that that best interests of that child are met!

Insulting mondi will not change the judgements given in maintenance courts on the same issue in reality! Stop acting like a bunch of emotional girls on their first period and accept the reality! If you like tomorrow you powerpuff girls can have demonstrations all over the world over the same issue and see if anyone who cares will be moved by it!

After you have been summarily dispatched,you now realize you can put forward your arguments without invectives like 'goat' ,'fool' , etc.
You really should have let sleeping cougars lie (pun intended).

coogar:

i disagree.....
fact remains lecherous slüts like you with apolitical vagïnas would continue to have children with men that don't consider you good enough to be a quality mother. your vägina is no currency to motherhood. just because a man sleeps with a pröstitute does not mean he wants the whorë to be a mother to his child!



why should i abstain when celibacy can increase the chances of copping prostate cancer? why should i abstain when there are still women out there who have learnt to treat sex as a recreational activity that shouldn't necessarily involve a string attached.

this thread is talking to you and your ilk who cannot naturally find a man to love and marry you and then mortgage your vaginä to a man who thinks you are just a cüntbucket he can spray his load into like a public urinäl!

food for thought!



even my dog knows with the proper usage of more than a dozen birth control methods available to women, she will not get pregnant if she doesn't want to. even if you don't like pills or implants, you have the safe period method to use effectively if you have any iota of intelligence in your head.



you are a stark illiterate with the brain capacity of a pubic louse! we have had to practically educate you on the things formal education of 20 years failed to do. were you not arguing child custody are equally shared between men & women until i showed you the facts? why did i even bother to engage you in an intellectual discourse that is beyond your station? go and sit down - when the discourse hovers around the price of pepper & fresh cassava, your expertise shall be called upon!




you are a very stüpid woman!
words can't quantify your foolishness and your single digit IQ. how is the nonsense you typed above answer the question posed to you?

you argued from the pillar to post why a woman should never consider abortion. we asked you to reverse the roles and you are talking about accepting consequences? so the abortion you so much derided is now cool to do when a woman wants to & her partner doesn't want it?

you should return all the certificates you have fraudulently garnered in the last 20 years. you don't deserve them. if you are wondering why the men in your life use condoms to fück you, i am 110% sure it's because he doesn't want you to pass your stüpidity genes to his offspring. you are only good enough for sex, your type will never be good enough to be a mother the child of any intelligent man.

p.s. i mean everything i said in this post - no sarcasm & no tongue-in-cheek statement.

Spot on!
Unfortunate beings like her argue vociferously with little or no knowledge. Imagine her harping on 'condoms break' as if there are no other forms of contraception!
This is someone who advocates abstinence in one breath but admits using oral contraceptives in another(don't buy that spiel about hormonal imbalance).
Even though the sexx is consensual, she thinks only the male should pay through the nose for it.

Proffdada: i was talking to the sane people not you

Fortunately for mankind, people like you and the 'sane' people are usually locked up at Yaba.

Mondisweets:
child support is paid to take care of the child, its not paid as renumeration for the person taking care of the child. Im very much, you on the other hand are the one who clearly doesn't have common sense! If the mother does the "child-rearing part" its the father's responsibilities to take care of SOME of the " "financial responsibilities".

If the child is over 18 and he/she is still in school, then yes the both parents will still have a duty to pay the fees ( if he/she doesnt have any other sponsor)

Oh! now it's SOME financial responsibility, not ALL as you alluded to in your early posts?
Nothing wrong in changing tactics, but if you have to resort to ad hominem tactics and insults to drive home your points, I have no use for your arguments, however reasonable they may seem.

eby001: more like johesu vs nma

Sadly true.
They tell us they're fighting for this, but we all know they're fighting for that.

Mondisweets: this is absolute rubbish if a man can prove that the mother is in a better financial position than him, the the court may decide to put more financial obligations on her instead!

Like i said this is the kind of ignorance i hate, you think that child will breastfeed herself? Will she change her own diapers? Will she to go doctors appointments by herself? Will she whether learn how to talk and walk by herself?
If you don't want to take care of the financial responsibilities why don't u grow breasts and breastfeed her! Change the diapers! Change the diapers! Stay up all night with her! Teach her how to walk and talk. Take care of her until she is old enough to take care of herself instead!
You think a child can survive on money alone without someone else rearing her?

Are you trying to say the guy is paying off breastfeeding, diaper changing and care of the baby?
Does this continue till age 18 ?
You're letting sentiment becloud your reasoning and getting heated up.
Calm down before you pop an artery or something.

Mondisweets:
Where she decides to have the baby, then only the child can be seen as the victim, because both parents have an equal role to ensure that the child's best interests are met! Yes the financial responsibilities are for both the parents!

And the last time i checked if u both consent to the act then you will both be equally liable for the consequences that result, desireable or undesirable!
This is the reason why law-making is left for those who have the brains and know how to use them wisely. So u think all the courts that order for a man to support a child whether he wanted him or not are stupid?

Noted.
Financial support though is largely borne by the father-medical bills, education, upkeep, etc.
Child support by the biological father should be a responsibility, not an obligation.
It is certainly an admirable and noble trait to support your offspring, born out of wedlock. It shows accountability and maturity.
However, it certainly shouldn't be mandatory or obligatory for the very simple reason that BOTH partners were willing, and knew the risks.
The law is an ass; the same 'brains' that deem it right for ONLY the father to pay child support also legalize same sex unions.

Mondisweets:

Lets make this easier for both of us. Before we all agree that men should not be forced to maintain a child he did not plan to have, kindly tick the points any mentally sound man doesn't know before engaging in sexual activity

1.) condoms aren't 100% safe
2.) condoms break
3.) a woman can get pregnant is she has sex
4.) contraceptives do not guarantee a 100% of a woman not falling pregnant
5.) a woman can still fall pregnant, whether you want to marry her or not
6.) babies only come after a man and a woman have sex.
7.) engaging in sexual activity with any woman may result in pregnancy or STIs
8.) the withdrawal method is not 100% effective.


If a mentally sound male doesn't know all of this by the age of 12 then we can all say screw every woman's right to life, human integrity, bodily and psychological integrity that where created by whichever assshole who came up with International Human Rights. Every woman should abort, whether there is a possiblity of her dying from it or not, since all that matters is the fact that the father doesn't want to live up to his responsibilities

What's your point?
That women shouldn't bother knowing all these, since they're coerced or drugged or molested everytime there is se.x?
That we should shelve contraceptives because they're not "100% safe" ?
Contraceptives do work-especially implants and IUDs-if used correctly.
I agree with you that anyone engaging in unprotected se.x should be fully aware and ready for the possible outcome. What I don't understand is why you're playing the victim card for females.
Last time I checked, se.x is usually consensual.

Proffdada: It's the way you view madness. Which simply is the torment of demons leading to disorientation. It maybe lack of proper communication with the environment,but the soul is what lives after death and is an accumulation of one's life and activities. Even in madness the soul accumulates virtue and vice which will determine its terminus in afterlife. To sum it up,a madman will still be judged irrespective of his madness.

A word for all you typed above...
NONSENSE.

Mondisweets: you really making it hard for me not to insult you with your nonsenscial posts! How is it leeching if the money will be used on the child! So the child is now leeching his/her father abi




If you know that she is a woman who has a vagina and a womb and she is capable of getting pregnant why have sexxx with her? So now women are the ones who can decide on having or not having sex alone? When u remove her clothes and opening her legs, is that not also giving consent to fvck her?



please when your daughter gets pregnant and her bf wants her to put her life at risk simply because he doesn't want to buy diapers and baby milk, come back and say this rubbish you are saying now

Unless you are telling me every man tells every woman that he sleeps with explicitly that she is only there for sexuaaal gratification and nothing else. Only then can he be excused from dealing with the consequences that result after those 2mins of pleasure!

The moment you open a woman's legs and have sex with her, u give consent to whatever results after that. Unless u slept with her not knowing that a woman can get pregnant

Are you saying sex should be STRICTLY for procreation?
I am sure you're aware that a married couple can have an unwanted pregnancy, for financial reasons or otherwise.
Abortions may be extreme for some, and that's why there are different types of contraception to choose from-implants, IUCDs, pills, depot injections, and so on.And they are all available in Nigeria.
Any guy who has unprotected s.ex with a girl(without any form of contraception) and is not ready for the consequences is a fool ; any lady that yields to such a guy is a greater fool.

Soloter: 1.If a drug addict becomes a lunatic - we can then conclude that his destination is Hellfire. why? the Bible has warned us against polluting the temple of God, "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. 1 Corinthians 3:16,17(KJV)." , therefore, one who refused to accept this injunction when insaned, shall rot in hell.
2. insanity is occasioned by demon- possession and demons will only possess those who have rejected the Son of God- Christ. for the Bible says "You are of God, my little children, and you have overcome them because he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world" 1John 4:4.
Conclusively, one's believe and state before madness will determine where he'll spend eternity.

What about those with mental disorders from infancy?
What happens to them?

coogar:

she's 14 times more likely to die birthing the child than going for abortion. abortion is safer than child delivery.




the equivalent of vasectomy in men is tubal litigation in women. the option is open to both genders. abortion is not an option for a man. i only used my point to counter the people saying why didn't he get a vasectomy before the sex.

OK, now that you put it that way.

Tallesty1:
It is too early bro and I don't have time to waste doing silly arguement. If you are not ready for a child then use protection or abstain. Ok, let's assume she consents to your decision(abortion) and dies during the process, will you go with her.
What if she loses her womb, will you stay by her and die without a child.
Use your brain and stop wasting precious time debating silly things. What if she is your sister. Think about that any time you want to do something stupid to a girl. And for the child support you are whinning about, I think she will be happy to do that if you can carry the baby for nine moons, deliver and breast-feed it and do all the stuffs moms do. Both of you can trade places if you wish.

"Do something stupid to a girl"!
Listen to yourself!
So s.ex is one -sided thing, with the man to be held solely responsible?
Use your brain instead and leave sentiment out of it!
So women breastfeed and nurse children up to 18 years of age!
Stop playing the victim card for females as if they were molested or drugged or something. In case you don't know, a lot of girls do it to ensnare guys financially. Even 10 year olds know unprotected s.ex can result in pregnancy, and if both willing partners don't use protection, they should BOTH bear the support financially.
Afterall, it takes two to make a baby.

coogar:

tubal litigation aka female vasectomy!

They're not the same.
It's called VASectomy because it involves cutting/tying of the VAS DEFERENS which carries s.emen from the balls to the John Thomas, and is found only in males.
In females, it is tubal ligation as it involves ligating (tying and/or cutting) of the Fallopian tubes, found only in females.

Tallesty1:
Is this how you reason for real

Yes, that's how I reason.
Whose baby is it :the man, the woman or both?
Why should I be the SOLE financial support of the child I contributed to HALF of it's formation? Note that child support cases expect you to pay for upkeep, medical bills, and education up to 18 years of age.
Why is the mother not required to pay for child support?

coogar:

when people run out of meaningful things to say, they come up with ridiculous assertions. vasectomy is an option for both sexes - it's not exclusive to the men alone. abortion, taking the pill, etc are exclusive to women & women alone.....so the vasectomy point is brainless.

I beg to differ..vasectomy isn't for both sexes, only males.

Tallesty1: What are you even saying? If you are bold enough to fvck and impregnate a gal then you must also be strong and brave enough to stand up and be a father. Stop denying your responsibilities.

What do you mean by "bold enough"?.
Unless it was rape, the s.ex was consensual with both of them fully aware of the outcome; it takes TWO to make a baby, why should ONE person be saddled with child support, especially when he msde it clear he wasn't ready to raise a child?
If the girl wants to keep the child, let her go ahead and do that.She wasn't raped.

Amen-Yoruba-Ase
Amen-Benin-Ise

APC will blame PDP for the Brazilian incident and vice versa.
Boko Haram will say their cell in Brazil is responsible.
Hausas, Igbos and Yorubas will have a field day claiming the contractors are of ethnic tribes other than theirs.
And I will laugh and cry at the same time at the folly of it all..

bizibrain: U sound mentally confused *smh*

How can one be MENTALLY confused?
One is confused, period!
Can one be PHYSICALLY, or otherwise, confused?
Stop inventing ridiculous grammar.

zeezahbee: are you male or female ? I gave an advice already if you male

Male.
I didn't see any post on the thread similar to mine though

Nice one, Pharm.
I have this on and off pain in my tummy, the lower left side.The pain will build up gradually and becomes very severe only for it to disappear after a few minutes. Afterwards, I have to pee.
The attacks are not frequent, maybe once every month, but when they come it is extremely painful.
What could be the cause?
Is there any drug I can use?

Tallesty1:
No mind me my brother, oyibo people too like To play with our intelligence

What's that supposed to mean?
Are you saying they made up the news just to see if black people were intellnt or not?
Was the news targeted primarily at 'us' ?

The Nigerian Medical Association and the National Association of Resident Doctors embarked on an indefinite strike today.
Key among the issues leading to the strike is the agitation of other healthcare professionals for equal recognition, amongst other things, with medical doctors. They want to be appointed as CMDs and other administrative positions.
Pharmacists and medical laboratory scientists want to be allowed to attain consultant level, be called doctors, get equal pay, etc.
A lot can be said and argued for both sides, but some pertinent questions remain:
Is any of these going to improve the healthcare situation in the country?
Will these measures curb the perceived arrogance of medical doctors,as most people think is the reason for the agitation?
Will the average Nigerian, you and me, be bothered about who answers to doctor or not, when getting treatment?
Will medical doctors now have to clarify everywhere, that they are MEDICAL doctors, and not doctors of pharmacy, at say, accident scenes?
Will the appointment of a medical laboratory scientist as CMD of a teaching hospital spell doom for the hospital? Is the post not administrative?
Will a doctor of pharmacy identity as a 'doctor' at an emergency scene when someone calls "Is there a doctor in the house"?
Should the arrogant doctors be allowed to go on strike at will?
Can they man hospitals effectively when other healthcare professionals go on strike?
Can other healthcare professionals run hospitals when medical doctors go on strike?
WHO BEARS THE BRUNT OF THE TWO FIGHTING ELEPHANTS?