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samorobo:
I swear no Kenyan can speak to me of cooked stat ever again...you know I used to wonder why Kenya was ranked higher than Nigeria ln the corruption index but now I wonder no more...Can you believe this niggas went for census few months ago and in two months they released a figure?..their corrupt politicians practically cut off 5 million people out of their original population to appear good in economic stats....this is making it the second time their cooked stats has been released....this was what they did in their power sector telling the entire world that they have 70% electrification rate and all slum connected when in fact less than 20% of KIBERA are connected......Thank to the power minister who came out to spill the beans and tell the entire world that he has been cooking their power stat( he said less than 15% are connected)

You didn't post the all articule....


This is it in full.


Kenya's population census figures have been released, causing controversy among some groups who feel the results are not fair or accurate.

It found that the total population of the country is now 47.6 million, nine million more than in 2009.

But some regions have experienced a decrease in population.

These outcomes can be hugely controversial because the size of the local population has important implications for the level of government funding they receive.

Why does population size matter?

Kenya's population is made up of many different ethnic groups, closely aligned to competing political parties.

The government has yet to release all the data on the ethnic composition of the country, but the changes in population in certain regions from this latest census have already caused arguments.

The outcome of such surveys can embolden or weaken claims made by groups for political representation or resources.

In one area of the north-east territories bordering Ethiopia and Somalia, the census indicates a decrease in the population, prompting local political leaders looking to retain funding for their provinces to question the veracity of the survey.

tylann:
which data

you post ngo blogs and say it is research

nairobiwalker gave you a knbs breakdown of our population

you wants to believe your blogs

This is not blogging



* African Population and Health Research Center (APHRC). 2014. Population and Health Dynamics in Nairobi’s Informal Settlements: Report of the Nairobi Cross-sectional Slums Survey. (NCSS) 2012. Nairobi: APHRC.

NairobiWalker:
Anyone who throws figures around without any credible source is a blogger. Your 'citation' was a blog. Nobody cares when Ghana did a census. I am not the one disputing figures from your census.

Nairobiwalker that document wasn't blogging. there is data and reliable information with Nairobi stastical body? just follow it if you care... I don't want to credit it simply because it is six years old . i have ask you on accurate number of the people in the slums . you comfortably agree such report was not given. which we should both acknowledge and move on we don't need to turn it into banter ....

tylann:
same as your article about kibera it is a blog or a sponsored article

I don't post articule , I post research with Data.....

Austine1212:
Can i DM youyou?

You can drop your mail if you feel save . I lost across to this link . Are you bringing multi billions of rands to Ghana? cus you guys are known to deal with billions dollar worth of buisness. I will be glad to be part of the team? .

Austine1212:
Maybe is because of shaka zulu their king warrior.

Do you stay in accra?

At the moment , I am not in Accra....

tylann:
kibera has been taken advantage by NGOs who used it to make millions


https://www.theguardian.com/science/the-lay-scientist/2012/aug/01/africa-propaganda-kibera

This is a blog. it can also be a sponsored articule

samorobo:
Same way rvp thought his own clueless economic observation his better than stats from our country and that of world bank and IMF...

what I even post was not blog. they are many random blog online that dispute such stupidity figure of their national statistics he is trying to force on the gullible Kenyans. .one popular one is from Reuters. news but I decide not to use it..... cus I myself don't trust blog....

what i posted was conducted by an international authority. is a sponsored research .....

NairobiWalker:
It seems Ghana is the same thing. See how this vaxx2 idiot is insisting some stupid blog to be a more credible source than KNBS?

You are mad nairobimadness. Ghana has done it in 2000, 2010 and she is doing it again in 2020...

why you keep calling that citation ""blog"" still baffle me . is it international stupidity or perhaps you just want to be mad?

Acadavah:
Don't edit my post dude. That was from world bank not other source.

who has edited your post... provide a link or citation to the source. we aren't stupid like you idiot to fake economy we aren't under an authoritarian system like that of magafuli republic . .


Your overpopulation that grows at 5 percent should be address not Ghana. the reason behind your backwardness ..

back your input with links or evidence.....

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samorobo:
Where you suppose to believe a cencus conducted by KNBC a body controlled by their govt....

No need for argument, Nairobi houses 2.5 million slum dwellers and KIBERA takes the lion share

I am sure the census is still hot debate in Kenya as some set of people will disagree with it. fake country

Austine1212:
Lol

Damn i don'tdon't know the movie

Zulus are 17% of the population of SA

Go watch it. and maybe because zulu have a history

Acadavah:
+ are not deluded like you. Kenyans have to attack Ghana so you can agree that Nigeria is better than Kenya. Don't worry your rebased bubble economy will burst soon and your real 1GDP will shown up. I remember in 2013 you 1wawa1had GDP of Usd 63bill and 2015 GDP of usd 49bill, so much growth.

You see where madness start . we don't grow GDP like that . mad goat . we haven't reach SUCH a figure before . so go quote your source. A citizen where poverty dwell wanted to compare. go deal with your poverty...

NairobiWalker:
Something is wrong with your head. For one, your source is not even a link. Two, you claim there are 250k people in Kibera slums. From KNBS, Kibra subcounty has 185k people. Apparently, Kibera slums has more people than Kibra Subcountty which it is part of. That's like saying Accra has more people than Ghana. At this point, I am sorry but you're stupid.

I wondnt mind to call you an idiot from this stage , it seems you have reached your limit of Madness and wanted to be really chained .


You are very stupid not to be able to use the
factual citation I provided for you , you should be able to Google up such source. that is if you have a head called brain. disputing international source while accepting your own body is an act of stupidity . your country is a known corrupt country where data can be easily cooked or massaged . I will not spare you of my whip. that I promise you. your case will be worst than obaremi. I foresee you want to get mad...

NairobiWalker:
You were too busy disputing it and beliving your source you didn't read where I addressed that. People living in Kibera slum approximately are below 120k. KNBS didn't provide the actual number of people in Kibera slum but the whole of Kibera slum is within Kibra subcounty. Kibra Subcounty constitutes Kibera slum, Ngumo Estate, Upper Hill, Woodley, Mimosa, Ayany, Olympic with Kibra slums constituting only 16% of the total area of Kibra Subcounty hence my estimation is utmost 120k people out of the total 185k living in Kibra subcounty.

This will have put an end to the discussion but unfortunately no such info were given apart from the international sponsored source I provided which is about 6 years old.

Acadavah:
So,many educated Ghanaians travel abroad to find jobs and opportunities since your economy can't hold them while your government lies to AA to come to Ghana/Home since is a land of opportunities. Why are your skilled people don't stay in Ghana and use those opportunities?

I learnt you are control by a whip in the hands of your goverment.... your case are much more worst than Kenyans. as for you. kenya is bless..........

Austine1212:
They not calling whites in particular just anyone with the right skills, health and cash to make it a home, thou others won'twon't be admited like nigerians.

During the slave trade soutg africa didnt take part, 95% percent of african american trace their ancestry to west africa.

Why do most africans think an ordinary black South African in SA is zulu?

The great shaka Zulu himself was enslaved with his men...

Zulu happens to be more popular as a tribe . maybe thru movie such as yellow card etc ..

NairobiWalker:
The data I gave you is the official 2019 census report. I can't upload a pdf file here that's why I screenshot the relevant page. The only body that provides population information is KNBS because it is the only body that counts people in Kenya. If any other source does not match KNBS then it's wrong.

You can download the whole document here

https://www.knbs.or.ke/?wpdmpro=2019-kenya-population-and-housing-census-volume-i-population-by-county-and-sub-county

But from the screen shot you uploaded, it didn't indicate the actual size of the slums dweller. it only provide data on kibera as a suburb . at my free times...

I understand kenya has no independent body who check balance govement data. and so called information which is internationally sponsored will not be count.

Troy404:
The guy is just naive

stop being coward. contest me and let me put you into pieces.. you are the gullible here. try sucking south africa dick will not make you cum.. you need to get some real ass..

Austine1212:
So you a Ghanian right?

Cos if it were the other ones, you know who it would have resulted in Insults and bad discussion.

This thread is the most resourceful thread on nairaland. so lot of factual information have been established.

we are here to learn but we go crazy some times

Austine1212:
No

When white people came to SA, new Zealand and Australia was occupied by aboriginal natives in fact Australia and NZ didnt exist in their currenct form. White south african don't have ancestry in neither Australia or Nz.

They don't need to have ancestry home before calling them back . Ghana is calling up on African America to come back home. not all of them has related background to Ghana. some are even Zulu or igbo. but Ghana is opining up for them.


goggle up why new Zealand is opening up for white south africa

NairobiWalker:
Okay, you win. Both the 2019 and 2009 census that actually counted people in Kibera were wrong and your random report from who-knows-where that approximates population is right.

ok to be lenient in the discussion.. provide a stastical report from your national authority stating the actual numbers of the slum dwellers . I will hands down.


Anyway the citation is a trusted body, you can Google up the information. I don't hide and seek statistics.....

Austine1212:
Most are public companies ordinary south africans own share in those companies, Money is repatriated to south african economy. Whites in south africa are actual citizens just like black, indian, and chinese south africans.

They have been in south africa for centuries, their ancestors are South African.SA is way different, it is diverse when you see Our companies in your country know that its a public company owned by south africans

I see it will be west african biggest mall, dont make population an excuse Hong Kong has just 10 million citizens but its economy is 100 times than Ghana.

Nigerias population is 4 times bigger than SA but the GDP is almost equal.

Most of the south african company in Ghana are also equally owned by Ghanaian thru shares ... for example over 30 percent equity of MTN is owned by Ghanaian....

The white south africa has dollar accounts which they repatriate their profit back to in their ancestral home ... new Zealand and Australia has recently open up to welcome them back.


You can't use Hong Kong as an example cus Hong Kong buisness enviroment is mostly control by Chinese and Hong Kong been a transit is prove to that effect. Ghana is not a transit hub of any bigger economy. your geographical location matter most. new Zealand is an example of that and likewise Luxemburg whose economy activity is mostly initiated from Germany..

Nigeria having a smaller GDP per capital with bigger GDP shows the population overwhelmed the economy. this is why I am saying i don't want a bigger population but a moderate size

NairobiWalker:
So I'm giving you the actual official figures of a census and you are giving me data from blogs. Which of the two are facts? Furthermore, Kibera's population was 170,000 in the 2009 census and now it is 185,000 so what reduction are you talking about? More still, the slum area of Kibera reduced between 2009 and 2019 hence out of the 170,000 in 2009, more people were in the slum than in 2019's 185,000. Stop believing what you want to believe and stick to the facts.

That ain't blogs . I don't do blogs ... it was reported in 2014, about 6 years report now.. .

what I provide was conducted by an authority and that is the citation below.. ..

Citation
* African Population and Health Research Center (APHRC). 2014. Population and Health Dynamics in Nairobi’s Informal Settlements: Report of the Nairobi Cross-sectional Slums Survey. (NCSS) 2012. Nairobi: APHRC.

samorobo:
Wowwwww!!!!! I repeat this past few days has been an eye-opener...so 2.5 million Nairobi residents lived in slum.....you guys have no right to even speak here at all let alone mentioning cities....

I spit on your zoo.

Vaxx pls I need the link

per Reuters statistics, it has go down to 7 hundered thousand......and That is 2016. we can give an approximation of 4 to 5 hundered thousand not to be biased and coherent .... But that approximation can only be valid based on their development agenda.......


Their 2019 census didn't provide statistics on that ..... Kenyans can only guess at large as possible...

NairobiWalker:
Stop forcing yourself to believe what you want to believe. Here is the 2019 census population of Kibera. Remember only part of Kibera is a slum thus of the 185,000[b], [b]probably less than 120,000 [/b]live i[/b]n the slum. I would have attached the whole pdf file but it can't upload on this forum.

Probability is not a fact excuse me....

only you can believe that in your head..... unless you are saying Kenyans has done way to reduce the slummish level of kibera within multiple 6 years of the given data. not been in Kenya dosnt mean we don't have statistics to rely on.

Troy404:
the guy has refused to think and has become a Nigerian.

It is you guys who needs to think.... I have submitted an authority accepting it. but unneccasry ego to correction will not let you.


""Kibera Facts & Information

There are approximatly 2.5 million slum dwellers in about 200 settlements in Nairobi representing 60% of the Nairobi population and occupying just 6% of the land. Kibera houses about 250,000 of these people. Kibera is the biggest slum in Africa and one of the biggest in the world.

Land Ownership
The Government owns all the land. 10% of people are shack owners and many of these people own many other shacks and let them out to tenants. The remaining 90% of residents are tenants with no rights.

Housing
The average size of shack in this area is 12ft x 12ft built with mud walls, a corrugated tin roof with a dirt or concrete floor. The cost is about KES 700 per Month (£6). These shacks often house up to 8 or more with many sleeping on the floor.

The population
The original settlers were the Nubian people from the Kenyan/Sudanese border – they now occupy about 15% of Kibera, are mostly Muslim and are also mostly shack owners. The other shack owners are mostly Kikuyu (the majority tribe in Nairobi) – although in most cases they do not live there but are absentee landlords. The majority of the tenants are Luo, Luhya and some Kamba – these people are from the west of Kenya. There are many tensions in Kibera, particularly tribal tensions between the Luo & Kikuyu, but also between landlord and tenant and those with and without jobs.

Electricity
Only about 20% of Kibera has electricity. UN-Habitat is in the process of providing it to some parts of Kibera – this will include street lighting, security lighting and connection to shacks (this costs KES 900 per shack, which in most cases is not affordable).

Water
Until recently Kibera had no water and it had to be collected from the Nairobi dam. The dam water is not clean and causes typhoid and cholera. Now there are two mains water pipes into Kibera, one from the municipal council and one from the World Bank. Residents collect water at KES 3 per 20 litres.

Sewage
In most of Kibera there are no toilet facilities. One latrine (hole in the ground) is shared by up to 50 shacks. Once full, young boys are employed to empty the latrine and they take the contents to the river. UN-Habitat and a few other agencies are trying to help and improve this situation but it is painfully slow.

Medical facilities and HIV/AIDS Clinics
In Kibera there are no government clinics or hospitals. The providers are the charitable organisations: AMREF, MSF, churches plus some others. They do a great job. All people are encouraged to have a free HIV test and if positive to take free generic ARV medicine.

Changaa
This is cheap alcoholic brew. It is widely available, very strong (over 50% alcohol) and made incorrectly, so is usually very high in Methanol. The cost is only KES 10 per glass and after a couple of glasses people become very drunk. With over 50% unemployment in Kibera many start drinking early in the morning leading to problems of violence, crime, rapes etc. Several charities are trying to help by showing the Changaa makers how to make the drink less dangerous.

Drugs
Cheap drugs and glue sniffing are an increasing problem. Initially taken to alleviate boredom but then people find themselves hooked. A big challenge to the charities!

Abortion
Due to many men still not using condoms and the availability of Changaa, many girls become pregnant, at any one time about 50% of 16 to 25 yr old girls are pregnant. Most of these pregnancies are unwanted, resulting in many cases of abortion. This can be very dangerous, particularly in such a poor area as Kibera. Many charities are working on this problem.

Unemployment
Kibera is near the industrial area of Nairobi where up to 50% of the available workforce are employed (usually in fairly unskilled jobs). However, there is still an unemployment rate of 50%. This is why the training and teaching of skills is very important.

Sport
Most young people in Kibera have nothing to do, obviously it is better for them to have the opportunity to take part in sport and several organisations are working on this.

Nairobi Slum Survey
The African Population and Health Research Center (APHRC) produced a report which provides many different statistics relating to the slums of Nairobi, including facts about Kibera. You can download the 212 page here"":

https://www.kibera.org.uk/Reports/Nairobi%20Slum%20Survey%202012.pdf


The report is not my own doings......

Austine1212:
Half of the malls in Ghana owned by SA.,with south african stores as premier shops.

Ghana does not have capability to have a mall with 1000 stores, it is not economically viable as ghana does not have a lot of middle income earners.

Half of the stalls are owned by white south africa and the money is repatriated back to new Zealand and many of their real origin.... Ghana middle income class is much in informal settings and it is getting bigger continuously ...

. what we actually don't have is the population. but continuous economy growth will change that effect when we were able to afford bigger GDP. which will translate into bigger GDP per capital. I actually want a moderate population not exceeding 45 to 50 million to do that. I want a slow growth population when we reached there.


Go and read about Ghana international mall. it is not gonna be the biggest mall like the one in Casablanca morroco but it will definitely match many malls both in west and south Africa.



This is the 3d......

kikuyu1:
You're defaulting to the Naijjan mentality repeating poo 1000x when its been DEBUNKED!
Fyi, Kibera last count had max 250K.

You can called it lies You can only argue your goverment is doing well to reduce it since it is more than 6 years report...There is bigger research authority that established the fact

* African Population and Health Research Center (APHRC). 2014. Population and Health Dynamics in Nairobi’s Informal Settlements: Report of the Nairobi Cross-sectional Slums Survey. (NCSS) 2012. Nairobi: APHRC"".

.i am not hating bro..i am just learning . if there is any good about kenya that I so much admire, it is your athletic prowess..

psychologygh:
that's what they don't know. It's called exposure. If an Ivorian was to be here on this thread, he or she would have shown you pictures of Abidjan that would have made Nairobi look like a slum or village. Abidjan has huge skyscrapers and skyline with a huge nicely kept river and water bodies running through the middle of the city with developed water and road transportation in the city's centre that only some South African cities can rival buh when it comes to living life and quality of life,an average Ivorian can never compare him or herself with an average Ghanaian because Ghanaians are far better and liver richer lives than an Ivorian that most Ivorians emigrate to Ghana with English learning schools springing around Accra everywhere and occupied by these Ivorian because they wanna assimilate into Ghanaian culture and living.

Ivorians are all over Accra buh hardly will any Ghanaian move to Ivory coast or at least enroll to lear5french language. Kuffour forced French lessons on us buh almost everyone hardly learn French in school periods.

Abidjan is a small Paris. there is a lot of French heritage....

You see how Dubai is springing up skyscrapers yet rely heavily on Germans, Americans, British to draw up the master plan which they themselves rich Arab lives. they pay the western country almost 10 times what they pay Africans.... Germans, Americans, British are potential celebrity In Dubai, why we Africans are look as potential criminal .....To even make the matter worst, your British certicate or American certicate is seen far more superior than their own. You see them establishing small British and American university all around...

mtisTheQubit:
Liberia used to be the darling of U.S ..i dont know what happened...You guys seem to get it...

America will not tolerate Liberia that much . she is a war ravaged country with nothing to show as value apart from small mining industry. maybe when she discover oil in large quantity she will be consider again. they have turned Ghana to their own country. too many Liberia in Ghana. bro...

psychologygh:
that's the secret of success.In Spain for example,after the world war 2 and when capitalism was on the rise,there was a massive economic boom across the western countries and what Spain especially and other economies in the US did was to stock Madrid and other cities with buildings,estates,office complex and high rise everywhere with cheap mortgage rate buh forgot to forcus and invest in the people and when the economic crisis came in the 80s and 90s,almost all the buildings were empty including most plush estates and regular residence and office complexes.Homeless people was on the rise in the US and Spain with empty buildings.

Now,Europe has prioritized their human development and maintained mostly old rail and other old infrastructures buh their education and human development remains highest among the world.You don't build buildings and leave the people behind. You create a crisis. They have to move equally.

That's the mistake these Philippians, Indonesia, Thailand,Bangladesh, Brazil,India etc developing economies are doing.They polish parts of their central business districts metropolitan cities with massive estates and high rise buildings and infrastructures buh per capita ,human development index and majority of the population which are poor are being sidelined. Europe has old buildings and cities buh quality citizens

if any of them have travelled before, they will know some suburb of Germany is not that so much better than their high poshed area. some are even incomparable since their African area have it better. but honestly the quality life of people living in the village in Germany is unmatched with people living in the most developed part of south africa or anywhere in Africa. very educated and skilfully developed. you are address by your profession. I haven't meet a German without profession....i haven't....walahi