johnydon22:
T.B Joshua is a serious clown... He identified the location as north and southern part of france.. Thats like the whole country mother fuc_ker

Clear cut and join footage as usual... Nigga is a clown for real i can pull far more impressive stunts myself.

Negro, how do you call this serious?
Serious is what Mr Bean does, TB Joshua is a sick joke

LoJ:

I respect all religions and religious people, especially religious leaders. But it is important to be able to objectively criticize and condemn falsehood.

In this case, there is an obvious and blatant example of falsehood and deception. If Tb joshua does not come out and apologize, then it is sufficient proof of dishonesty and fame seeking.

I'm a Christian, and I believe TB Joshua is a disgrace to all that Christianity stands for. This is deception of the highest order.

Gombs:

Repeat,
Zipporah was both Cushite and Midianite, but as they say with fools, silence magically quadruples their IQ.

Oluwaseytiano:
6000year old earth? com on vooks, you are smarter than this. But then, the wonders or religious brainwashing

I'm dead serious. Give me a singular proof that it is older than this. Your best proof and I will debunk it right here, right now

delishpot:


God hand picked all of humanity not just a few men. Any man can come out and claim this sane thing you claim yet he is using it to cover-up his evil tracks.
You can only speak for yourself. Do not tell me that people who are tagged MOG in the world today are all holly saints.

You are right
You just tag yourself MOG, declare that MOGs are sinless and voila! You are sinless and above reproach. This is not only ret@rded but it is high heresy

delishpot:



They do not believe any man that calls GOD can be a false prophet. As soon as a man calls himself a MOG his followers don't believe he can ever do wrong.

You are right. MOG is what sets you apart from the scum of Christianity and exalts you a few inches higher than Jesus Christ

There are preachers and there are men of God. I am not a preacher; I am a man of God, and I go in the way I’m asked to go. You have to understand something about a man of God. A man of God is not just someone who worships God or preaches God. A man of God is handpicked by God, set on course by God. If you study the scriptures, you will not find one man of God go against God, sinning against God.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z3oKe_KZlg

Joagbaje, are you also sinless like your goD?
Gombs, what about you? Wait,you are just another lowlife cheerleader at CEC. You don't qualify the tag MoG

Joagbaje:




eni a wi fun oba je o gbo. how can a mouth full of vugarity want to disect holy scripture i mean 'HOLY SCRIPTURES'
can a corrupt tree bring good fruit?

Gombs:


You've been advised severally to leave Bible interpretation for the scripturally sound folks.

To gods like you, right?

For Joagbaje, I pity his sheeple. For a negro who believes Adam was not the first man, he is depraved beyond redemption, but I digress.

Zipporah was both a Midianite and a Cushite just as Dikembe Mutombo Mpolondo Mukamba Jean-Jacques Wamutombo is both Congolese and American

There are those like Joagbaje, HCPaul,tip999....who all insist that this was no fakery, that somewhat TB Joshua was accurate and far from deceptive.

To these I have a simple question;
Supposing TB Joshua was a fraud. How would deception/false prophecy look like? Give a hypothetical example of what you believe would constitute a false prophecy

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Silas4exploits:
Big lie! You ofcourse have no biblical proof for these. Infact you interpretation of the bible in respect to the nature of sin is wrong! I'm a living testimony to the fact that the blood of Jesus is so potent that it can save from nature as well as actions. Infact at salvation I got the power that I hated and could nomore commit my past sins. It was not a gradual process. It was an instantaneous one! On the cross, he declared it is finished. Everything was finished. When he saves and sanctify you, he does not partly deliver you from sin(nature) and leave you to battle with the actions. It's total victory! Once again i'm a testimony!

Hallelujah!!

Question
Do you sin?
If yes, can you recall the last time you sinned?

nnamdiosu:
hi guys.
Its been a while. (Although ive been silently following the thread)
Ealier on, someone i think charles mentioned that there is something that satan is trying to do desprately in the spiritual realm, or there's some sort of spiritual frenzy going on. i think i have aclue about what it is. let me try to explain.
Anytime God wants to do something, he always tells his servants. (The bible says he does nothing without telling them first). Also when something big wants to happen in the spiritual realm God tells his servants too. But he doesnt tell a particular servant everything. he shares the info around his servants (BUT THE WHOLE INFO WILL STILL BE ON A GENERAL THEME, OR STILL BE POINTING OUT TO THE SAME THING BUT IN DIFFERENT WAYS OR FORMS).

Now, when we were kids, we normally watched some type of films called sci-fic. this films are films that sort of prophesy or tell of the technological break through coming to man. e.g one film called 'back to the future'. this film showed a hover board ( that device that looks like a space board that celebrities are rushing to buy. yOU STAND ON IT AND 'think' of which direction you want to move and it moves you there. Some even float slightly from the ground'. There were flat screen t.v's, which we didnt have there. Flying cars (Which scientist have already accomplished) e.t.c there were so many many things which we have now done or are attempting to do. It shows to an amazing degree that, almost all this things shown on this technological films werent possible then, but now, THEY HAVE BECOME POSSIBLE. (Please follow me, im going somewhere).
Amongst all this achievements shown on this sci-fic films, there is one major one that has been shown for so long but hasn't really manifested yet. (but is on its way). ALIENS. i believe charles or someone else said that very soon it will be a normal occurrence to have demons living with man.

Had a dream very early this morning in two different scences but i was referencing one and telling someone in my dream about the first scence. (one of the ways i know its a serious dream.) i cant share it all because some of it makes personally meaning to me and wont be understood but someone else. But let me just say this...ANYTIME FROM NOW, STRANGE BEINGS WILL COME AND BE LIVING AMONGST MEN. AND IT WILL BE A NORMAL OCCURRENCE. THE MEDIA (which is controlled by Satan) is making man aware of strange visitors or beings from different planets. please note that anywhere you see aliens, substitute it for DEMONS. NASA is already searching for signals of extra life from space. they are probing, sending messages ,trying to get messages e.t.c .Thats how people dabble into the occultic. trying to communicate with spirits, demons etc and very soon, VERY VERY SOON, MAN WILL HAVE A REPLY THAT WILL EXCITE THE CIRCULAR WORLD, BUT UNKNOWN TO THEM, IT IS DEMONS THEY WILL BE INTERACTING WITH.

In my dream, it was normal to have a device that was intelligent, it reminds an individual of house hold tasks to do, little things, keep you company e.t.c It is just like the personal digital assistant that man has (and is making).But when ever you mention God, or anything that glorifies God, the device gets angry, or upset or malfunctions.
On google some weeks back (i'm an IT Person), i saw AN ALREADY DONE TECHNOLOGY THAT IS A PERFECT ASSISTANT. YOU KEEP IT AT HOME BUT YOU CAN STILL COMMUNICATE TO IT FROM ANYWHERE. YOU CAN TELL IT TO WARM YOUR FOOD CAUSE YOU ARE ON YOUR WAY HOME, START THE T.V, ASK WHATS SHOWING, ETC.
Satan is a very technological person (in case you don't know). He has his own army of technology that are creating things to help his purpose. Very soon, technology and spirituality will marry. Technology will be totally satanic inspired.UFOS OR ALIENS WILL BE A MAJOR EVENT TO USHER THAT IN. Thats why GPS will be employed to track down people who are hiding from the anti christ because of the mark. that's why people who dont have the mark will wont buy anything. It would be a cashless society then, and only electronic payments can survive in a cash less society.
I'll say more later. God bless you, God bless me. Amen

Thank you nnamdiosu,
I have a keen interest in creation science. I frequent creation.com which is run by a team of Christians who are scientists and they readily combat evolution. Nice people.

I know scientists are puzzled by by the Origin of life. Evolution suggests life forms change into others over time, but where did life come from? Commonly accepted theory is abiogenesis; life started from elements forming molecules which formed ammonia and proteins, which formed DNA and simple life forms. But this is a wild guess and quite implausible.

A small number subscribe to Seed Theory. This states that aliens from outer space visited and planted/'seeded' life forms which then evolved on themselves. A movie called Prometheus depicted this. This theory is only valid if there is evidence of life in outer space. But currently, despite all efforts, there has NEVER been no evidence of life.

The reason scientists cling to such Implausibilities such as evolution and seed theory is because they are trying to explain existence WITHOUT God. This is because when you remove God, you remove any obligation to obey Him.

I can agree with your dream that alien life is the next frontier, and probably it will be the greatest discovery of all times. But it won't be a discovery, it will just be demons pretending to be inhabitants of distant planet, while in reality they are just from the spiritual dimension.

Aliens and demons have a lot in common;
1. Both are UGLY
2. Both are highly intelligent
3. Both steer man away from God

You will never hear of any alien acknowledging God or Jesus Christ....NEVER

Imagine the relief of scientists and all antitheists/antiChristian upon 'discovery' of aliens(demons) who not only are intelligent but they also give us solutions to some major problems such as pollution and climate change, and also claim they are the ones who created us billions of years ago. This would give the world MORE reasons to trash the scriptures and Christianity.

Large scale Demons invasion may be the last trump card of Satan. And since we are generally wary of demons, what better way to cozy up to men other than disguising themselves as visitors from a distant galaxy/planet

Gombs:



Hello buddy, how's you? Guess great! Emmm, about the above, let me oblige you. Let's get going, there are at least 2 sources that tell us that Moses spent some time in Ethiopia and was required to marry their queen.

He did not consummate the relationship ever, as she was not of the covenant. This was the Ethiopian about which Aaron and Miriam complained; maybe because Moses' precedent with her (non-consummation, or at least non-continuance of the relationship) was carried on to virtuous Zipporah as well.

[size=28pt]Zipporah was a Midianite, not an Ethiopian - the other wife was an Ethiopian[/size].

Why did he send her away?

You know she saved moses' life by the circumcision, when God came to whoop him for not circumcising his kid.


"And it came to pass, on the way to the lodging place, that the Lord met him and sought to kill him.

Then Zipporah took a flint and cut off the foreskin of her son and cast it at his feet, and she said: 'Surely a bridegroom of blood art thou to me.'

So he let him alone. Then she said: 'A bridegroom of blood in regard of the circumcision.' "

Now, I still don't know what she meant by the latter part sha, but... She saved Moses, and he went on to lead the Hebrews out of slavery.

However, despite her bravery and quick thinking, Moses doesn't treat Zipporah especially well or act particularly grateful.

Moses sends her and the children away before the Exodus from Egypt. Later, they reunited.

Was she divorced?

Emmm, can't say exactly (if anyone knows that much, let me know), but if the Bible said they reunited later on, and the fact that he remarried, I think it's possible she was divorced or they separated. But, here is what I think...

It's possible that Moses also did not want to take his wife and their two sons to Egypt to avoid giving Pharoah an opportunity to hold them hostage, thus interfering with any negotiating ability of Moses and Aaron, and since he'd be long in Egypt, I think it's logical too.

There is no 'other one' just one and the same person

simplex2:


another one bites the dust!

Was thinking you were even smart with the way you tore that tb Joshua prophesy into shreds.

No need to try and educate you, someday, just maybe someday, you will learn that the earth is well over millions of years old.

Thank you and have a good one. One day I pray you will see beyond propaganda

simplex2:
@ vooks, when you say "there's no evidence to show that the earth is 6000 yrs old", do you mean religious/biblical evidence or scientific evidence?

ALL evidence, scriptural and physical/scientific point to a young earth of under 7K years

asalimpo:

Gen 1.1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth ".
2. "Now the earth was without formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God ws hovering over the waters"

3. "And God said let there be light," etc..

The bible says, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"
The heavenly realm and the earth.
But on the first day, he created light. separating it from darkness which was on the earth.

He created heaven and earth and light on DAY 1

There is a subtle but clear demarcation of what events took place on the first day and what took place in the beginning.

The 'subtle' demarcation is ONLY clear to the biased mind already looking for one. Once you remove punctuation and verses, this is all too clear

In the beginning, God created his Abode, and the heavenly realm and the earth realm.

Yes?

That's all the bible says on that. Its apparent in that verse. He would have had to have created
the heavenly realm before creating earth and its unlikely looking at those verses that He,
created the heavenly realm , the earth realm, left it voidless and formless, (i.e created chaos)
then recreated order.

The author is describing creation in progress...starts with nothing, darkness and disorder, and then order

The more plausible explanation is that "In the beginning" God created the heavens and earth,
then had to recreate the earth , it was the recreation of the earth that is depicted in genesis 1:3 .

It is not 'more plausible', it is a case of inventing your own things and then embarking on a fishing expedition to vindicate yourself

Again, creating the heavens, would entail creating the heavenly hosts - the angels, the dominions etc.
That would have taken a lot of time.

These are your wild baseless and certainly unscriptural assumptions. Creation could have taken an instant or a trillion years, it took 6 days. Period

The bible says the angels rejoiced when God created man.
Did God do all those in the first day? Most unlikely.
Very unlikely.

'Most unlikely' of course to somebody desperate to deny that. Why is it 'unlikely'? Because it does not feed to your gap theory?

The first day of gen 1.3 is not the beginning.

It does, if you doubt the integrity of scriptures, then that's your problem

"... if i doubt its claims then discussing its claims is a waste of time "
- Your question was irrelevant because you could deduce my stance from my previous comments.

No I can't, and I don't make assumptions over what I can easily verify. So once again, do you believe scriptures are inspired word of God?

- And by that you mean the bible has a clear cut stance of suicide?
You equate it to murder?

Both entail taking away life that God gave

"why do i care what it speaks . Why is it a reference points "
Again, you only needed to read my comments to deduce my stand.
This statement is unnecessary.

You are ambiguous and vague

"Nobody needs a lecture on suicide motives . .... "
Maybe you dont. But for you and those who hastily classify suicide and murder as one,
motive makes a difference and affects how God would judge it.

Again your presumption. When will you learn to separate presumption from facts?

The motives for murder are usually different than those for suicide.
This makes the assessment of suicide as a one-way ticket to hell, a subjective statement.

They may be different but they surely can overlap.

"Any mindset of a suicidal person can also apply to a murderer"
- That's a long stretch. More often the mindsets are entirely different.
The palatability of the act isnt an issue. Both are gross.

Yes they may be different but they can overlap.

To prove this, name ANY suicide motive and try and give me a reason why it can't be a possible motive for murder

Isaiah 44:25-26a (KJV)
That frustrateth the tokens of the liars,
and maketh diviners mad;
that turneth wise men backward,
and maketh their knowledge foolish;
26 That confirmeth the word of his servant,
and performeth the counsel of his messengers;

If TB Joshua was a servant of God, God would confirm his word without resorting to judicious video editing. His father is Satan the father of lies

Image123:


Succour means help or relief for somebody or something in a difficult or unpleasant situation.
Act 11:29 Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judea:
Act 11:30 Which also they did, and sent it to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul.

i believe and hope you get that, but just in case you don't. Check a dictionary to confirm the meaning of succour, and check other Bible versions/translations of the same passage.
i do not recall insulting you, but i apologise if you felt insulted by the post. Twice, you overlooked or failed to look at the DIFFERENT things that i mentioned that the Word from God can do. i did not imply or state that it must do all at all times. i said and explained that it EITHER does this or that, so it was unfortunate that you kept replying like i only mentioned soulwinning. i have not bitten you, neither am i hungry to.

On your intentions to study, or is it teach us about prophecy, that is nice. Prophecy is basically a Word from God, it's that 'general'. However, i guess you are referring to the act of foretelling, or saying something before it happens THROUGH DIVINE HELP. Most prophecy can be simply a forthtelling or declaration of the Word. But we are in the FORE telling context, right? TB's utterance in that video in the OP are not prophecy but prediction or speculation, and they are definitely NOT from the Lord. Sorry if it offends you but we also have the Spirit of God and are permitted to prove all things and test every spirit. This case is hardly even a spirit, except it is TB's spirit itself at work. It is mere speculation, conjecture that even the News agencies reported. Telling us that terrorists were still in France is not a revelation or a prophecy. CNN reported that the terrorists were being tracked, so obviously normal and secular intelligence, and anybody following the news knew. If you do not know, please Google it, or ask vooks to help(ask and you will receive). Telling us to expect terrorist attack in the North-South is akin to saying the Sun rises in the East and sets in the West. It is obvious.
Now, the prediction part is that it will happen either on Wednesday or Thursday or Friday or Saturday or Sunday. He should tell that to kids please. Unfortunately, we are told that the terrorists did not strike in France, neither did they strike on any of the five options he chose including the Wednesday lifeline he added. So, his prediction has no base, no reason, no standing, no hope, no nothing sef.
Agabus's PROPHECY came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar. The message was clear and it happened. There was no prior indication, tendency or attack. No trend or clue. The church was basking in grace, following Jesus and being called christians, sharing food and even fighting and murmuring over food, appointing Holy Ghost filled people to share food, and then the prophecy came, and was fulfilled. It prepared the people, believers made informed decisions, sent through and to specific people, and mitigated the effect of the famine/dearth. That is what prophecy is like. Not all these nairabetlike talk captured in that picture vooks gave earlier today.

It is quite unfortunate that when some idols are threatened, the idolator stop at nothing to defend them.
God gave two simple tests of prophets;
1. Doctrine
2. Accuracy

This is outside what is normally applied to a believer.
If they foretell or make signs and they come to pass yet their doctrine is whack, they are false.
If their doctrine is accurate but their foretelling wrong, they are false

The reason WOFers unashamedly overlook these simple tests is because they are guilty of tolerating and flirting with false prophets. You can't accuse others what you are guilty of. That's why you have m0ronic suggestions such as 'pray for them', 'we know in part', 'they are just human'

I wish to remind them that when YHWH laid down the rules, he was not dealing with aliens but humans with their frail humanity.so there is absolutely no excuse for speaking stupidities and lies in the name of God. God is merciful and they don't get lynched just as witches don't get lynched, but they are still in sin.

Think. If you can't test foretelling on accuracy basis, on what basis can you test it? Why do these idolaters seek to reduce prophecy to probability? Psychics can easily do that, even well informed primates can make decent predictions. ACCURACY is what sets prophets apart from psychics

Isaiah 44:25-26a (KJV)
That frustrateth the tokens of the liars,
and maketh diviners mad;
that turneth wise men backward,
and maketh their knowledge foolish;
26 That confirmeth the word of his servant,
and performeth the counsel of his messengers;

This Negro shaman diviner has been frustrated severally by the living God. If he was the servant of the Most High, God would confirm his word without fail

asalimpo:



The creation of adam and the creation of the earth are two distinct events.

Of course they are; Adam was created the last day, the earth the first day

There's no biblical evidence that Adam and the earth were created on the same day , or time period.

Again Adam was created the sixth day, the earth the first day

In Fact, looking closer at it, It couldnt be. The day God created the earth is'nt the day God created Adam.

You don't need to look 'closer', Adam was created the 6th day, the earth the first day

There most likely an elapse of time after when God created the earth and

And what??

This is what i call shoe horning. Like i said there's no scriptural data backing up a 6000 year old earth.

Nonsense, there is no evidence the earth is older than 6000 yrs

"Do i believe the bible is the inspired word of God"- this question is condescending and irrelevant.

It is very relevant and if you can't see fit then you are unworthy my time. If you doubt it's claims, then discussing its claims is a waste of time

Taking another person's life and taking one's own life are two different things entirely.
The bible speaks a lot on murder - of another person.
The motive for such are usually done out of hate.
In the case of suicide - i gave copious examples when one may be driven to take his life.
The motive under which one may take his life is completely different from that which one may take anothers and i explained copiously.

Why do you care what the bible speaks?
Why is it a reference point?

People take their lives because they want peace and freedom from torment (the tormenting situation they are in).
This doesn't mean they dont respect their lives or view it as sacred but because,
right or wrong, they see no way out of their own personal hell.
(this is the class of suicides i'm thinking of).
If they live, the life is torment.
day by day. Death makes sense. Ending it makes sense.

Nobody needs lectures on suicide motives. It don't make you clever in any way, the motives are well known.
Any motive behind suicide can equally apply to murder. Would that make murder more palatable?

Their lives give God no glory ,if they continue living it.
If they dont end it, they pray for it to end. They have a death wish.

I am not justifying suicide or trying to excuse it. But ,like i said, it would be twisting it to say,
things the bible didnt say.

Any mindset of a suicidal person can apply to a murderer. Would it make murder palatable?

Appealing to all who doubt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FKHvaAVsF0

Muafrika2:




To give. Just for the sake of giving.

But I stopped putting aside "tithe" after years of searching out the spiritual or scriptural significance of the activity in this age.

Nowadays church wealth is personalised. So if someone is rich, they should stop threatening poor congregants with curses to collect money, it becomes usury.

Bro, Paul appeals to Grace giving. If a believer won't give freely without compulsion, let them alone. But these greedy leeches won't have none of that, they dangle unscriptural carrot and wield unbiblical stick to make you part with your cash. Lord have mercy on them

Here is a free book for you OLAADEGBU
http://www.tithing.com/Breaking-and-Embracing.pdf

HCpaul:
What we have today are indoctrinated christians and not christ-like believers.
We need people who will understand the ways of God and not those who will behave like the pharisees.

You are familiar with pastors, Bishop and Envagelist and not a prophet.

There are still real prophets in the world today, but the agent of Satan will always make that idea a deception

These satanic agents are clever ooo
They edit videos and force them to fit totally unrelated circumstances

The accusations he recieved validate his calling in my life.

Now that's m0ronic reasoning right there;
All the accusations BH and ISIS receive validate their cause

People like Vooks also said to Jesus: "If thou be Christ prophecy who is spitten on you."

Blind braindead SCOANITES like HCPaul will take a bullet for the charlatan. They worship men

If you are close to God, you will realize how the availing prayer of saints in SCOAN prevented the whole situations from becoming too ominious.

Another asinine reasoning. The prayers shifted the terror attack from France to Belgium?

I have to create a thread explaining who a prophet is and what prophecy really implies.

I have already beyond doubt demonstrated how this charlatan is a FAKE. He edits past prophecies to fit unrelated circumstances. Like ISIS,he revels in gore to make a name for himself. He is a psychopath

It pains me when the 21st century christians suffer delusion from their ignorance of what the bible entails and how to engage faith intelligently.

Nothing hurts me more than the supposedly Spirit filled believers being deceived. Spiritual blindness is a curse

We have few citizens of heaven in the world today.

True, we have more deluded folks who unashamedly worship men such as yourself

Candour:




A very difficult job no doubt but they seem to 'enjoy' it very much.

Stockholm syndrome
Captives are prepared to blow themselves up to defend their captor

Scholar8200:
Thanks a lot.
Read Romans 6 and pls see that the wages of sin there relates to servants of sin whose Fruit-conduct and lifestyle based on intelligent choices- is sinful.


Wage is given to a labouring [/b]servant.

So an infant not being a labor being servant is EXEMPT from consequences of this inherited sin?

Alright, keep em coming!

I never hesitate to call hypocrisy out

Because, God clearly said:

But the Lord said to Moses, Whoever [b]has sinned against Me, I will blot him [not you] out of My book.
Exodus 32:32

But how do you warn any when you are ignorant of the other group?

The NT saints enter into the blessed realities of the Better covenant all made possible by the Indwelling Spirit mentioned by Jesus in John 7:39! No need to get worked up!

But the indwelling equally comes AFTER believing. We are not debating life AFTER believing but believing itself. Why is OT believing such as that of the thief on the cross different from yours when you got born again (if at all)?

Where did I say that? The focus of what you are misrepresenting was the RESULT of their faith and not the quality! Were you not the one that asked for fruit (RESULT) for the thief on the cross?

Here you go again with playing dumb.
You said the IMPUTED righteousness of God is manifested by the lifestyle/fruit bla bla and absence of this means there was nothing imputed. I asked you what fruit the dying thief produced and you retorted that the thief believed DIFFERENTLY as under OT since the Spirit was not yet given. My point giving of the Spirit comes AFTER believing hence whether Spirit is given in one dispensation or not would not make believing in Jesus under either dispensation different.

Can you process this and answer the question? If this is too much for your brains we can always stop

This is not talking of the Blessed Baptism in the Holy Ghost! We are talking about the Regeneration and Renewing by the Holy Spirit! Not the same as the former which is Anointing for service.

Again regeneration and renewing ALL happen AFTER believing so they are irrelevant in painting a distinction between believing in Jesus in either side of Pentecost.

The thief believed in Jesus that afternoon, you presumably once believed in Jesus. Both of you believed. How come the thief is not bound by your invented rule of IMPUTED righteousness producing fruit else it was never IMPUTED?

Candour:


They were both accused of getting their powers from the same source when the scandal of the visit broke.

I guess that 'source' goes by the name deception

I don't envy sycophants; they have to justify everything Oyaks does. He goes to hell and they will be here explaining to you how hell was reserved for the highest angels

Scholar8200:
What part of my post suggests indecision? Go back and re-read it. The "I dont know" you misunderstood relates to where they go if they die as infants.

But his is hypocrisy of the highest order!!!
On top of Legalism you are a hypocrite!
By your own admission;
1. Wages of sin is death
2. You inherited Adam's sin
3. You were conceived in sin and shapen in iniquity

For all these three claims to hold true, God would have to destroy infants seeing they inherit sin and are sinners and wages of sin is death. Yet you hypocritically claim 'I don't know'. If you are uncomfortable of the consequences of your beliefs perhaps you should discard them

Perhaps you may consider Psalm 51 where David said so, i didnt!

So are infants vile sinners whose wage is death?

and should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?
Jonah 4:11
They are neither knowledgeable nor intelligent to make decisions contrary to the Word.

Yet they are still inheritors of sin whose wage is death and still you don't know what happens to them in death?
Hypocrite!
If you don't know what God does to one group of sinners(infants) what right do you have to warn any other?

He received a good report through his faith, confessed it by the request he made to Jesus and God was not ashamed of him (see Hebrews 11)

And how is that different from NT saints?
What is it that NT saints do that OT saints didn't that warrant there to be a distinction? Bring out this distinction, don't just claim it. Stop wasting time

39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
John 7:39

At this time the disciple had believed on Him but could not enter into the benefits of the NT as shown in Ezekiel, Jeremiah etc. Why? The Blood that ratifies the covenant had not been shed. That is why Jesus said to the disciples of the Spirit that ," He dwells with you (Present) and shall be in you (future)

Holy Spirit was given to those who believed. The question is not what happened to those who believed in either dispensation after they believed but how their believing was different

They believed after the pattern of Abraham!

You said saints in OT believed differently than NT saints BECAUSE the Spirit was not given.
But note even in the NT, the Spirit is given AFTER believing, meaning at the point of believing there is no Spirit, and therefore the Spirit is not the DISTINCTION in belief. The question is how is the belief in OT different from that in NT?

If you are baptized and filled with the Spirit, and this is a big IF, when you got born again, you were not Spirit-filled, just like that thief on the cross. What is the difference between the thief believing in Jesus and yours?

Scholar8200:
And when we are made the righteousness of God

You will need to FIRST suffer this to sink.
We are made the righteousness of God because NOTHING we can possibly do can earn it.

the expectation is that our lives will be characterised by Holiness:

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 and what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 and what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
2 Corinthians 6:14-18

Who has at any point denied this?

Before you call some body a pharisee explain the passages given and give your interpretation viz a viz parallel verses!

What is there to explain?
When God IMPUTES the righteousness of Christ in you, you can't possibly be any more righteous than that

Candour:




Dear vooks, there's something that is making Jo do all these gymnastics over this matter and I don't want u to be misled into thinking or assuming it has anything to do with defending scriptures.

Oyaks and TB have a relationship. Infact the jerry curled guy is the only notable mog in Nigeria that openly fraternizes with TB so any dirt on the false prophet rubs CEC goons the wrong way.

Just as Jo is performing verbal magic defending oyaks marital failure, he is obligated to put up the same show here.

Injury to one is injury to all. That is the principle at play here

Oyaks visited TB Joshua and since then their fate are hopelessly intertwined?

Thank you for the induced epiphany!

cloudgoddess:
I'm curious about how people who reject evolution would explain the more specific observations in nature that seem to support an evolutionary model. For example:

1. Why are the DNA sequences between species like, say, the chimpanzee and the human, or the bird and the dinosaur, so similar, if those organisms are not related? Wouldn't you expect to see completely random and dissimilar DNA sequences between all species if they shared no genetic relationship?

Similarity points to COMMON Designer not descent.
Did you know that horses have more genetic similarity to bats than cows? Genetic homily is a myth

2. Why are simpler life forms consistently found in lower rock layers than their theorized present-day evolutionary descendents? Shouldn't we find all life forms mixed in all rock layers, if new species did not arise over time?

First, you assume there are 'simple' animals. This is circular reasoning. You assume some animals are 'simple', then you assume the more complex evolved from the 'simple' form, and finally you sedimentation takes forever. You need to know that fossilization is the exception not the norm and countless of life forms are virtually unknown because they never fossilized. In short, grow a brain

3. Why do human fetuses grow a layer of fur during development, which sheds later on before birth? And why does this fur grow at the same point in development as Chimpanzee fetuses do? If there were no relationship between us, wouldn't we expect human fetuses to lack such a thing?


4. In the same vein, why do the fetuses of all members of the Chordata phylum all look so similar?

Did you know that human and frog fetuses BOTH have digits(fingers,thumbs and toes)?
The embryo homology was debunked before your grand parents were conceived. A word is enough for the wise

5. Why are there organisms like flesh-eating bacteria, and parasitic, eye-burrowing worms that hurt humans? If such harmful and disease-causing organisms did not arise out of evolutionary adaptation, then why would they be created?

Since when did adaptation equate evolution?

I am genuinely curious about how one would explain these phenomena in a non-evolutionary framework.

Im insincerely curious as to whether you possess the capacity to learn

Joagbaje:


Follow the advise and kindly get behind me ssssss? . . ,

I was about to say you have run of wits but how can you run out of something you never had?

tip999:

EMANUEL Vooks. You seems to be so concern about a french nation meaning france just because he mention France four times

He was quite repetitive; French country,France,French country, France......take it up with your charlatan who repeated this FOUR times in 4 minutes.

but by the way do you know in the scripture the name Jacob for example could not only mean the son of Isaach but also it could mean the whole children of Isreal ?

I know that. The nation of Israel was named after its father as was the norm; Edom was the country of Edom. This is not a puzzle nor a source of confusion.

the point I am making is in prophecy , it is not always plain and clear , just look for example the book of revelation it is not as clear and specific like you and I may like it yet it is anounce and publish for the whole world. If this is not making sense to you then , that is it.

I know a bit about Revelation, it has symbols and also literal stuff. But France is France by any language.
If a FRENCH COUNTRY FRANCE is not France, then the attack was not an attack but some stray dogs fighting in Surinam

He also mentioned Saudi Arabia which I suppose can mean ANYWHERE in any Arabic league, including Sudan!

Joagbaje:


What is the succour



How ?

Ask Joseph what foreknowledge of famine did.

You won't come across irrelevant and asinine prophecies in the scriptures..not even apocrypha.
What purpose did this prophecy serve other than self-aggrandizement?


Cc Candour

tip999:
OP if you take Prophet tb joshua English literary you wont understand some of what he says , from what I can see knowing his form of communication, the France and the French he was talking about was not just limited to France , but also a french speaking country. If you know what it mean to hear From the Spirit you will understand what I mean, that things or vission do not always come as plain as crystal , not even the prophecies concerning Christ in the OT were as plain as Crystal.. Somethings things are seen darkly, and you can speak though such a measure. You may not be able to receive this but that is the fact.

Since you are able to receive it,
Care telling us why he mentions FRANCE four times? And tell me, since visions are darkly,what's the purpose of telling the entire world darkly things that ONLY him can interpret, which he apparently understands AFTER the fact?

Not only that, he warns them that they are STILL vulnerable, and to expect MORE attacks? There is only one French country called France that had suffered attacks a few weeks before. This is regardless of whether TB Joshua says this in Igbo or Swahili

May I suggest that if you worship a confused God who says what He does not mean and means what He does not say that you have never met YHWH nor His Only Son Jesus Christ?

It is highly blasphemous ascribing your stupidity to God. I command you to stop it in Jesus Christ holy name!

Emmanuel!

promisechuks:

The guy, is strictly viewing the righteousness of God through right living.

And that's why he cannot be righteous before God without faith alone.

Actually, he is confusing holiness and righteousness