Alphanancy: Please i am just curious how my christian friends will address this issue. If i go to my church and be praying for all my or a particular enemy to die. It is deemed as okay because it was done in the church. Likewise when i go to the herbalist shrine to pray for same enemies to die, i am accused of being evil. What is the difference since the will and intention is the same.
Just needed to express my thought.
Both are witchcraft , but believers do fight demons
hamilton62: Lol... I know you won't so I am not surprise speaking this FRENCH of yours.
You are incoherent and this is why I can't teach you because you are inarticulate.
Here is the point; Moses did not invent his own laws CONTRARY to God, rather he accurately communicated all laws that God gave him at the mountain to the t. Moses did not invent divorce, it was God's concession.
Look at this verse; Matthew 8:4 (ESV) 4 And Jesus said to him, “See that you say nothing to anyone, but go, show yourself to the priest and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a proof to them.”
Here is the context; Jesus has just healed a leper. Did Moses command lepers to offer gifts after they were healed?
Turn with me to Leviticus 14:1-32 In the interest of brevity, I I'll paste 1-9 [b]Leviticus 14:1-9 (ESV) 1 The Lord spoke to Moses,saying, 2 “This shall be the law of the leprous person for the day of his cleansing. He shall be brought to the priest, 3 and the priest shall go out of the camp, and the priest shall look. Then, if the case of leprous disease is healed in the leprous person, 4 the priest shall command them to take for him who is to be cleansed two live clean birds and cedarwood and scarlet yarn and hyssop. 5 And the priest shall command them to kill one of the birds in an earthenware vessel over fresh water. 6 He shall take the live bird with the cedarwood and the scarlet yarn and the hyssop, and dip them and the live bird in the blood of the bird that was killed over the fresh water. 7 And he shall sprinkle it seven times on him who is to be cleansed of the leprous disease. Then he shall pronounce him clean and shall let the living bird go into the open field. 8 And he who is to be cleansed shall wash his clothes and shave off all his hair and bathe himself in water, and he shall be clean. And after that he may come into the camp, but live outside his tent seven days. [/b]
You can see that while Jesus said 'Moses commanded', it was YHWH who actually commanded it. The instructions for cleansing of the healed Leper came from YHWH. He spoke through Moses, and Moses shared these with Israel. Similarly, Moses did not invent divorce contrary to what you have been taught. Do you think YHWH would have allowed Moses to grossly violate His Laws and mislead Israel into divorce?
'Moses said','Moses commanded','Moses is taught','Moses suffered'....all these do not in any way imply that Moses concocted rules, they are an idiom. Moses in NT means the Laws Moses received from the Lord. They were not his
PS donnie, amidst your taunts, please take time and meditate on this
analice107: Hahahahahahahaha. And was happy you forgot about that book. Awwww, that book!!!. Now an guilty, feeling lazy. How do I even start writing all my experiences down. Like an author biography?
Beloved Anas09, Books are tricky to start but very fun once you start Here is my suggestion; Go through your life and pick life turning moments, say school for the first time, meeting Christ, sicknesses, miracles,encounter with witches,false teachers,revelations, visions. Just list them and the dates or years. Then you can list noteworthy miracles you have received. Next, against every event you list, try and compose a short narrative around it.
By the time you are done, you will have may be hundreds of pages. The next step is to join them into one narrative.
donnie: And by the way, what is this rubbish you put down here. I have told you before, PLEASE leave scripture interpretation for born again spirit filled believers. That your so-called intelligence is not helping you at all. Wat?!! Did you actually write that?
You are not the first to blaspheme and trash Holy Spirit
analice107: Vooks, see my head Ooo. Where I come from, we honour our men. I can never tell a man to shut it, let alone you. Hmm, you are like my right hand here. Thanks guys for the kind words. Sometimes God breaks us down so that he can be build us again. Brethren, if God allowed me to continue the way I was going, maybe I would ve died now, or be God knows where. I was just flying. Influential and rich men, were well positioned by Satan to tell me how pretty I was, and how ready they were to hand me the moon. And I thought "who is like unto me?" But God said, this one belongs to me. "Seat down here and listen".
Dearest Anas09, I said it in half-jest,not in any way insinuating that you are a Jezebel. I meant you are one of the few Nairalanders whose words and counsel I never trivialize.
Niceties apart, how far have you gone with the book?
hamilton62: Is there anything hard for God to tell the people because of the hardness of your heart I, God gave you the law? Are you trying to say there's a finger pointing here instead of accepting the action? Pls, we know who Moses was as a prophet and his records in doing things, so the Lord said it's Moses' and not His... So the retaliation law of Moses was of God too? Pls my bible didn't tell me so neither did the Desk Bible too...
Try as I may, I can't make any sense out of what you are saying. Try and speak English.
Let me take this a little further. Donald Page of Princeton’s Institute for Advanced Science has calculated the odds against our universe ran- domly taking a form suitable for life as one out of 10,000,000,000^124— a number that exceeds all imagination.12 Astronomers Fred Hoyle and N. C. Wickramasinghe found that the odds of the random formation of a single enzyme from amino acids any- where on our planet’s surface are one in 1020. Fur- thermore, they observe, “The trouble is that there are about two thousand enzymes and the chance of obtaining them all in a random trial is only one part in (10^20)^20,000 = 10^40,,000, an outrageously small prob- ability that could not be faced even if the whole universeconsistedoforganicsoup.”13 And this is just one step in the formation of life. Nothing has yet been said about DNA and where it came from, or of the transcription of DNA to RNA, which scien- tists admit cannot even be numerically computed. Nor has anything been said of mitosis or meiosis. One would have to conclude that the chance of the random ordering of organic molecules is not essen- tially different from a big fat zero. Perhaps that’s why they call it a singularity, because it is without definition or empirical explanation.
donnie: First I am almost certain i was in Christ Embassy before you. In fact, 6 years after i joined i became a nairalander in 2005 and have been speaking the same way since. I have seen the Word come alive before my eyes. I am very successful in life. I have used the Word to work miracles signs and wonders. I have taught others to live successful and victorious lives in Christ with the same message i heard from pastor Chris.
What is your own testimony? You miss road join CE, and you were eventually ejected by the Holy Ghost. False brethren... If you have actually moved on, what is still pinching you about CE or arent you fulfilled where you are?
You like it when we "leave the matter for God" so you can continue your lying rampage ba?
I'm all that and I have never bowed my knees to worship Oyaks. Read a few RORs years ago before I got bored. I'm too intelligent for junk theology, and I don't apologize for it. My job has been to educate mindless sheeple to start thinking for themselves and to turn from worthless rituals and idols to serve the living God.
Oyaks faith and 'Word' was impotent to prevent his divorce
CharlyG1: In the early hours of this morning, I had a revelation from God.
In this dream, I was shown a list of names... The names were written on a jotter, about 10 names... The names were marked for death. Physical death not spiritual death.
I was shown how some people on the list died and how others will still die young.. My eyes were opened to see them dead and in spirit form. I saw some who were my former course mates in the university and I didn't even know some of them but just saw their faces. It was a bit frightful. I woke up.
In my heart, I decided to discard the dream, so I only just rebuked the dream... I didn't want to share it with you guys here so as not to strike fear in anyone's heart. I simply picked up my phone to charge the battery. This was about 5am or so.
But God knew my thoughts, for when I slept again, the dream continued.
In this second part of the revelation... There was a gathering of young men and women and they were discussing about this issue(the spirit of death)... I don't know how the matter became open to everyone in this dream.
Some of the people standing and sitting and they were mostly people I didn't recognize facially. But my spirit man made me realize that those people were you guys here (nairalanders on this thread)
One of my course mate was already dead so her mom came in her place. Another of my course mate who was to die came too, a very thin man who was on the death list and who wore a particular white shirt came too(he behaved in a strange way) and some others I didn't recognize were present.
Now, there was this particular young Man who stood in the center talking to everyone in a strong voice with much authority, then I felt the urge to share my revelation to everyone. As soon as I wanted to speak, He cut in and said that He had a revelation where people names were written on a jotter and they were marked for death(exactly what I was about to say). People became a bit shaken but the people were eager to know about it and they paid apt attention. He said something about praying for them. Someone standing close by wanted to take things for granted and the person was distracting everyone. The young Man quickly turned to this person and with a striking authority told him that He would put His right hand in his face if he doesn't stop the distraction immediately. And there was silence everywhere.
Then after He finished speaking to the crowd, He told me to go ahead and say what I wanted to say..
So i came out with the all the 10 names of this people on a piece of paper, spoke to the people on what God showed me and after I finished speaking to the crowd, everyone became really shaken. I asked if I should call out the names of these people marked for death by the enemy(satan) but they said I should not call out the names. So I didn't.
But I said we must pray for them. I saw one of my course mates who was on the death list and I was asking him a question, but he was lying to me about something and not taking me seriously.. But God had showed me that what caused his death had to do with something he did wrong.. 'wrong ways'... I saw him eat a strange yellowish substance in secret before then, that substance looked like something sacrificed to idols.. It's surprising because this guy is a very gentle person and a born again christian in real life. But He had a part to play for his own death..
This revelation isn't a joke. I may not know what satan is planning exactly but God knows. A revelation in another revelation is a sincere warning from God and it means the matter is at hand. It is a confirmation that God wants this lives protected that even after I thought of not sharing this, He still made this known to people in the other dream revelation. And then I knew I should share this.
I knew God wanted to speak to us concerning something soon. I felt it very strong in my spirit, that was why I made mention of it here. And now He has spoken. After i mentioned this, I had a dream attack from the enemy trying to weaken me spiritually by coming to my dream to seduce me sexually, but I thank God I overcame.
- Let us commit our ways unto God. Always pray before you eat or drink, sleep and when you're going out and you're coming in.
Also, be careful so that you do not commit any deliberate sin.
Let us pray against the spirit of death which is hovering at this time.. Satan has an hidden agenda to take the lives of some people but God has exposed his plans and we must agree in prayer to spoil this wicked plan in the Name of Jesus.
We are all connected in this world one way or the other... Standing in the gap for others automatically brings the divine protection of God over our lives.
Let no one be afraid for we have died in Jesus Christ and have been risen with Him... So we now have Life and have it to the fullest.
I pray for the grace and mercy of Jesus to be multiplied over our lives in Jesus Name.. Let the mercy of God save us from evil for the Lord is our Shepherd. (Psalms 23)
I soak everyone in the blood of Jesus. May the spirit of death not see you or any member of your family in Jesus Name.. Amen
Thank you brother. While we are not called to live in fear, let us not be NAIVE and assume that our archenemy is totally powerless.
May I propose that all of us spend some time interceding for each other here, preferably by name(moniker)? When you got to pray, raise at least one moniker in prayer
Kayelyon: Lolzzzz...... Relax bro. I understand your greviances but they cant change the facts. No matter hw much you guys wanto demonize Anita, it wont work. That woman saw hell. And more and more lies are being peddled to justify the MoG's actions. To make that clear on a platform like this is no assignment of satan at all! She was first HIS daufhter befor pastor married her. Stop that nonsense propaganda! Wise pple are learning from all this anyway. Continue. The truth is bound to come out.
Oyaks sycophants are vicious..they take no prisoners
hamilton62: This is the reason: Matthew 19:8; He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
There is something I wrote, I hope you read it; When you read 'Moses suffered', 'Moses commanded', 'Moses said','Moses is read' in NT, it does not mean Moses the man gave instructions, that is an idiom; Moses is an idiom for the Laws God gave to Israel through him. These are called Law of Moses or Law of God
In the subject verse, do you think it is logical for Moses to invent his own rules on divorce overruling God? What Jesus is saying is He created marriage institution ORIGINALLY without room for breaking it,but He LATER,THROUGH MOSES, gave concessions because of man's sin.
donnie: You are in deep mess. You are still in the dark and your words will only appeal to those who are in the dark. The Word is settled... Yes and Amen regardless of whatever happens to whoever. Do not use your experiences to interprete God's Word. The Spirit reveals truth and we hold unto it as truth no matter what the circumstances say. We are the ones to conform to the Word and not try to make the Word appeal to your senses. That's carnal.
They that are in the flesh (of which you resemble a full member) cannot please God. (Romans 8:8 )
Romans 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. (KJV)
2Cor4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen:for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal. (KJV)
You have now taken the place of the accuser of the bretheren (Satan) to mock God and His Word. That may not be your intention but that is what you are doing. Your ignorance will not be an excuse before God because you saw the truth and rejected it.
You should grow enough brains to know that scare tactics don't change the truth. Oyaks theology mythology is confused and more importantly, unscriptural Not my fault that you are too deluded to see it
Now, what's next in your armory, call me Antichrist?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeKMGGkYYDk Eye Witness: Lekki Gardens Dream Or Nightmare Pt 1 cc vooks Richard (i.e. CEO & MD) had it coming a long overdue time ago All Lekki Gardens antics, land grabbings, shoddy workmanship, blocking road by building across public highway etc are littered all over YouTube Richard & Co's (i.e. Odofin Taiwo the contractor) cup was spilling over the cup brim Karma is a biiitch
I give am to Amode, hin get liver past Fashola and GEJ, to have publicly ordered that Richard & Co go make themselves available to the authorities Richard & Co thought it was business as usual when they carelessly breezed in to the police but the police wasted no time in holding them by the trousers' belt and detaining them
TBJ being smart as usual, checked out of the country, fighting from a far hoping the dust will settle and the case forgotten about
How do you even begin to entertain ideas of suing 'messiah of today'?
analice107: I agree. For me, I pay Tithe because studying the Jews, I found out that anything they do, no matter how little, they prosper, that's because they don't joke with ordinances of First fruits and Tithe paying, so I join. If you and a jew are selling Pure water, he will sell it, build houses, buy cars, start another business, while you will be finding it difficult to even feed from that biz. So I practice First fruits and Tithing. It hurts no one. It's just 10%. It works for me like wild fire. I have no regrets at all. Afterall, if I were in a cult and am told to bring 50% I will definitely do. When I was trading on male wears, my Jeans goes for 8 to 10 thousand Nigeria each. My shirts minimum 6k. Depending on who you are and where I meet you. One man will pick goods for 120k at once pay cash. The ones who owe, dont owe for long. While my friends are crying, running after creditors for their money, I never experienced it. All I hear is, send your account number. Right now, not one of my kobo is not out there, all paid. I don't compromise my Tithe and first fruits. If i don't pay, God loses nothing, I do.
Joseph Prince is just a polished Calvinist who on coats Calvinism with motivational pep talk.
Calvinism doctrine has some absurd conclusions which most Calvinists seldom follow through. Here are a few; 1. Jesus died for some and not all humans. The unfortunate ones he never died for will end up in hell and there's nothing you can do about them. They can't even repent,many if they did, God would never accept their repentance
2. A born again man can commit ANY sin including the worst of them; apostasy and still end up in heaven
3. God saves whoever He wishes to save regardless of their will/choice
WOF heretics would have you imagine that with sufficient spiritual arm twisting God, one can have perfect certainty under the sun. One can be 101% assured of health, wealth, happiness....but this divorce challenges this.
If somebody can pray, decree & declare, affirm, confess, fast, bind and resist divorce, hope against all hopes...all that and still end up miserably divorced, then there is something patently wrong with imagining that all that GUARANTEES no divorce.
Scriptures ONLY assure us of forgiveness of sins. Anything else is fiction. When you stretch this guarantee to other aspects of life under the sun, you are setting yourself up for disappointment. You will have faith and Spirit filled believers who exercise all the 'principles' still succumbing to diseases or poverty. There is nothing wrong with them. What is wrong is imagining there MUST be something wrong with them.
Oyaks divorce should rouse him from his folly. He should revise his INVINCIBILITY doctrine accordingly because he is a living contradiction. He ought to realize that there are no guarantees under the sun barring forgiveness of sins and assurance of eternal life.
McSterling: Harris isn't omniscient and omnipotent now, is he? If he had those qualities, he sure would obviate the need for such "devastation" and wouldn't need to justify anything. But your god, he has these qualities but still needs people like Ravi to compare him with another human like Harris, in order to justify his misdeeds. Like l hinted before, this fictional story betrays Ravi's true feelings, what he'd love to see everywhere where someone became an atheist. I actually thought this book would contain some new argument I had never seen before in defense of god. That's why I left the serious books I was reading to look at it. But disappointedly, it contains the same trite and flawed arguments that have been refuted time and time again by atheists. The unique thing with this author however, is how he often appeals to emotions in order to blackmail his readers. And this guy seems to have personal issues with Harris. He seems intimidated by the man and his influence. I'd like to see the two have a one on one debate.
For the nonbelievers here who haven't read the book, you might just want to take a peek. It's an easy read actually, I'll give it that, but it lacks substance and is rife with trite assumptions and will leave you shaking your head several times. I don't regret reading it though. Coincidentally, a friend tried introducing me to Ravi yesterday, but thanks to vooks, I'd already met him.
We can all share books we wish others read. It is patently cowardly to invent all asinine excuses for avoiding Ravi
https://s15.postimg.org/81fczsirv/Lekki2.jpg Has no faith not to be remanded like the CEO & Managing Director of Lekki Gardens, Mr. Nyong Richard, and the contractor, Odofin Taiwo, in police custody for their role in the latest collapse of the five-storey building in Lekki, Lagos.
Interesting.. These are two instances where his faith is tested and he has failed on each count. The first one was in healing the survivors of the collapsed building. He could not as much as pay them a visit in their hospital beds let alone heal them. Remember all these had PAID to see him so they had some form of faith in his abilities..
Then avoiding courts like plague yet he imagines YHWH is his defense
Christianity Etc › Re: Anita Oyakhilome Gets Divorce Certificate by vooks: 3:44pm On Mar 13, 2016
