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Religion / Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by vooks: 10:33am On Mar 22, 2016 |
MuttleyLaff: I got banned yesterday by the spambot. I think we are saying close to the same thing. If you note, I was clear that the refilling is not a repeat of the previous experience but it is entirely new. So far be it from you to insinuate replenishing. That's the problem with analogies. They are never exact. The disciples filling of the Holy Spirit the second time manifested in boldness. The first time it was tongues. Do you honestly think that on Pentecost the disciples LACKED capacity for receiving boldness, and they only stumbled into this sometimes in Acts 8 at which point they lifted up their voices to heavens,and God filled them with boldness? Exactly what is 'space for boldness'? Fear? A more sensible way of looking at it is that before the threatenings, there was no need for boldness. Once they were intimidated, they were cowered, and they ran to God seeking, not a way out as many are wont to but a way through; boldness. Boldness is a new dimension of filling with Holy Ghost they had yet to experience. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak is about man's spirit vs his flesh, and not Holy Spirit vs man's flesh. That theory of yours of 'making space' makes man the lord over the Spirit of God. There is nothing in scriptures remotely suggesting that some are more filled than others nor some have more capacity or space to receive Holy Spirit than others. Maybe you can regale us what capacity you have created lately, what filled it, and the effects of filling this freshly minted space/capacity. Be that as it may, I will not pursue this debate beyond this post for the sake of unity of the participants of the thread. If you wish, start a new thread and invite me. Thanks 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Please Does Anyone Have Bout Father Mbaka's Wherebout??? by vooks: 2:35pm On Mar 21, 2016 |
nashito:He is either breathing or in purgatory 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by vooks: 1:33pm On Mar 21, 2016 |
MuttleyLaff:Great! We know some Greek But please answer my question. To help you up, They were FILLED on Pentecost, and not too long after that they were FILLED again in another singular event following prayers. I called this 'recharge' or refilling or a second filling. You disputed this. What else would you call a filling following another filling other than a REfilling? |
Religion / Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by vooks: 11:32am On Mar 21, 2016 |
[size=1pt] MuttleyLaff:[/size] Thank you MutleyLaff This is quite a lengthy post. I wonder how long you took to get it together. God bles you for your diligence. Could you briefly explain what transpired here; Acts 4:31 (KJV) And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness. PS: 'They' here refers to Peter and John- v19, and 'their company' or fellow disciples-v23 who all partook in Pentecost sometimes before this. Thanks |
Religion / Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by vooks: 8:55pm On Mar 20, 2016 |
MizyB:And may the Lord reward you richly beloved sister. Your hunger for wisdom and insight will not go unnoticed in heaven. Keep them coming. |
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 8:52pm On Mar 20, 2016 |
Scholar8200:You have not defined righteousness other than insist it is CONDUCT/BEHAVIOR bla bla....Life/Expression....all empty cliches. To you righteousness is CONDUCT. Tune in tomorrow for Christianity 101:Righteousness |
Religion / Re: Where Did Christians Fetch These Doctrines From by vooks: 11:45am On Mar 20, 2016 |
Asalimpo, Do you believe the bible is the Inspired Word of God? If you don't, then all the evidence adduced against your claims will ring hollow. Scriptures encourage us to THINK and reason,mbut not caricature God The circumstances of suicide can also be applied to other things such as prostitution,adultery,homosexuality.... If you are going to wallow in situational ethics your hands are going to be full. But you won't get nowhere. As you have been told, the sanctity of life is what makes suicide sin. The earth is 6000 years because Adam, created in the 6th day has finite and known descendants going to Christ. |
Religion / Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by vooks: 11:34am On Mar 20, 2016 |
MizyB:Hi MizyB, interesting question right there. Quenching the Spirit is expressly forbidden in 1 Thess 5:19. Quenching means extinguish, put out. This to me means obstructing or disparaging His work in men like spiritual gifts, or even conviction over sin. Failure to recharge to me does not lead to this, it simply keeps you in the SAME level of faith and experience with God. Recharging moves you higher. When the disciples recharged, they did not receive additional spiritual gifts or manifestations; they were just emboldened to witness. They received boldness which was hitherto lacking in most. So I would say recharging also helps in confronting new challenges in our walk in Spirit. What in my opinion causes 'loss of the Spirit' or bankruptcy of authentic Spirit experience in our lives is active resistance against His work, and also persistent rebellion/sin 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by vooks: 9:08pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
analice107: Evening dearest, I think I never saw the post with my name. There is a degree of privacy I prefer maintaining online and I would not wish to breach it for any reason. Whoever that was, I forgive them in Jesus name. Now lady, if you dare go silent I will spam your inbox with so many mails till you return back and continue strengthening the brethren. This is your pulpit, this is your manuscript before you release your book! About arrogance, I recall Oyedepo quip, 'I say this with all humility, my family and I will never be poor'. This infuriated me endlessly. Then I realized you can't rob a man of his testimony. You may be envious,annoyed but there is NOTHING you can do about a man's encounter with God! Recall the lame guy Jesus healed in John and he just couldn't shut. The religious teachers tried to silence him but he could not. They ended kicking him out of the synagogue. This is why am no longer a militant anti-tithing campaigner. If it works for you and you have testimonies, who am I to stumble your faith? So dearest, your testimonies may be a source of joy and strength to you but to others they will annoy. Let them alone. Don't stop worshipping and giving thanks because you don't want to offend. Those who take offense with you will whine when you are quiet and they will whine even more when you speak...they will be offended regardless of what you do. So if your conscience is clear before Jesus Christ, go ahead and speak. Don't hold back I pray that should you refrain from testifying that the testimony will burn within you till you speak it If you want to go quiet dear one, try and come up with a better excuse. This is an order! Have a restful night 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by vooks: 8:53pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
eniigmar:I know you are a bit nervous, I pray and trust that you will bring forth the gospel not in mete words of wisdom of men but with POWER,SPIRIT,and CONVICTION. And don't fret too much if you don't get it 'right', seize all opportunities to speak and the Lord will continue refining your gift. It's such a privillegd to be entrusted with the Word of God! |
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 8:49pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Muafrika2:We continue tomorrow God willing or Monday. The Lord's Day can be hectic for me so if I don't post tomorrow, I pray that you bear with me. Have a restful night my brother, and may the Lord continue enlightening us in His Truth....its a pleasure to have these debates. Thank you for your time. Totally appreciated. |
Religion / Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by vooks: 7:09pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
eniigmar:When are you delivering the sermon? |
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 7:03pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Fourth point Muafrika2 If you fantasize attaining this over your life, you are delusional. In any case, before you attain that, you are unrighteous!Righteousness of God is not ATTAINED OVER TIME, it is a gift of God, and it is INSTANTANEOUS, given upon believing. Luke 23. The penitent thief had no time to attain righteousness, he believed and went to heaven right away! I will teach you and Scholar8200 how to receive the righteousness of Christ by faith shortly. Working for gifts is silly and Legalism. Tiresome bro. It manufactures Pharisees out of genuine truth seekers just as it has turned you both |
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 6:53pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
The third point Muafrika2, Christ was perfect in his obedience, totally sinless Hebrews 9:14 (KJV) How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 1 Peter 1:18 (KJV) Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: So Jesus was perfect sacrifice, sinless. |
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 6:51pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Second point Muafrika2 If you are the righteousness of God, then you can't possibly possess ANY imperfection. That's a contradiction and confusion of epic proportions. You can't be PERFECT and IMPERFECT at the same time Remember, I'm following YOUR (and Scholar8200's) definition of righteousness as CONDUCT, behavior that mirrors God's character. Since God never sins, if you purport to possess God's character, and you go in and sin, then you don't possess His character! |
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 6:45pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Muafrika2: Let's start with the first point. Biblical definition of righteousness. First, you are the one who (correctly) observed that God's character is what he measures man's righteousness with. If you want to chase your own tail and 'debase' your own posts, be my guest What I have done is to God's character I have added attitude and behavior. Hush my broda, I by God's grace will lead you to GRACE. You will be creaming and barking but the freedom is worth it. Never again will you have to work to earn your salvation. This is tiresome and an exercise in futility. Like all Legalists, you are not even sure of your salvation. What if Christ returns during those 'at times' when the devil does a number on you? You will miss rapture I know the fear of Legalists too well. I was one of them, but thanks be to Holy Spirit who delivered me from shackles of legalism into grace. See if there is one thing worse than the Law of sin and death, it is to concoct an admixture of faith and works. This yoke will break your back oooo |
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 6:35pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Muafrika2:This is all good. The problem is all life you can possibly live 'in righteousness,truth and goodness' still falls short of God's requirements-Isaiah 64:6 Not the labor of my hands Can fulfil thy Law's demands But know this. If you are a tree claiming to be a mango tree yet your fruits are bananas, it's because you do not have the nature of mango trees. You are a fraud. I'll use Christ's example;The problem again is you are a total babe to fundamentals of Christianity. Why was Jesus sinless? Now not everybody that calls on the name of God is God's. You can confess God with the mouth and your heart be in rebellion. The difference between the two kinds of people is in their fruits.This is Pharisee spirit stirring in you. By your own confession you STILL sin, you still produce bad fruit( and probably good) What are you an orange tree occasionally yielding lemons or a lemon tree occasionally yielding oranges Pay attention as I lead you out of Legalism and confusion |
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 6:23pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Muafrika2:Matthew 5:48 (KJV) Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Righteousness is God's perfection in character,attitude,and behavior. If you are the righteousness of God, then you can't possibly possess ANY imperfection. That's a contradiction and confusion of epic proportions. You can't be PERFECT and IMPERFECT at the same time That's why there is hope for people with living flesh like you. So long as the flesh remains denatured you can produce the righteosness of God. The flesh is continually warring against the spirit. And its very presence is sin before God. You kill it by resisting it's nature.If you fantasize attaining this over your life, you are delusional. In any case, before you attain that, you are unrighteous! Scholar just posted about the ongoing growth into perfection based on scripture, Which of course you did not notice;Christ was perfect in his obedience, totally sinless. This is what qualifies him to be our propitiation. If you hallucinate about attaining sinlessness as His at any point I wish to remind you you will perish in your sins. Think about what happens if you perish now before your hypothetical future point t where you will have 'grown into perfection' You are a total babe in fundamentals of Christianity; the righteousness of Christ. No amount of character transformation and behavioral modification earns you PERFECTION or righteousness of Christ |
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 6:06pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Legalism is the fantasy of attaining PERFECTION/righteousness as demanded by God through conduct and lifestyle. The one single verse you contravene..actually fall short of is Matthew 5:48 (KJV) Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Unless and until you are PERFECT as your Father in heaven, you have no right to call yourself righteous. And this is why you are scratching your heads with your tail between your legs because you sure know that not only have you fallen short of Matthew 5:48, you are the furthest thing from it. And there are no proximates, no 'almost there'; either you have it or you don't Cc Muafrika2 |
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 5:54pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Scholar8200 and Muafrika2, Matthew 5:48 (KJV) Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. This is God's requirement. This is righteousness of God, of Christ. This is what Paul gave up the Law to attain. Are any of you Legalists PERFECT as our Father in heaven? |
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 5:48pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Muafrika2:Yes I do sin Muafrika2 Mr Muafrika2 Devil 'at times' and God's character at other times, what are you? |
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 5:36pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Muafrika2:So Muafrika2 despite being armed with God's character 'not perfectly' is still a sinner So you oscillate from righteous to unrighteous.....pendulum theology What are you, the end that 'at times' is a devil or the other end which is God character? |
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 5:18pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Muafrika2: Like you who possess the very character of God, the very righteousness yet 'not perfect' and working hard on what remains with pain'? Mr Righteous Muafrika2, do you sin? |
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 5:12pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Muafrika2:What are you painfully working on? And what do you mean by 'not perfect'? I thought you either possess righteousness or you don't Muafrika2: You won't like it...I'm not here to 'like it' |
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 5:08pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Scholar8200:You possess God's character mr Righteous Scholar8200, all God helps you is that righteousness in you to produce something. The gift is free but it's fruit is your job Do you ever sin? When last did you sin Mr Righteous Scholar8200? Can't recall that, no? |
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 5:05pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Muafrika2:You possess the Avery character of God, but when pressed you concede that you are not yet there... Are you celebrating prematurely? So am curious, what is the basis of your theology?You have the Spirit of God, discern |
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:57pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Scholar8200:God help you with what, you ALREADY have the righteousness of God, the very character of scholar8200 is God's! |
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:54pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Muafrika2:What are you working on if you are ALREADY the righteousness of God? What a conundrum of theology! The way of the |
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:53pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Muafrika2:Working hard to receive a gift 'Not perfect' means you don't possess God's character. At what point does one declare they are righteous, that they possess God's character? When they are lightyears even by their own generous estimation away from 'perfect'? You received this righteousness by faith but in reality it is an illusion you keep on chasing? Do you believe it's impossible? Just crucify your self and see.You have crucified yourself and hence you are qualified to declare to all and sundry that God's character is all you are! How can it be impossible? |
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:46pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Scholar8200:I don't manufacture my theology out of interpolation and paraphrases. |
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:43pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Dear Nairalanders, Scholar8200 & Muafrika2 have assured me that if God possesses any character, one needs to look no further than in in their lives to see this character manifest. These are righteous folks |
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:30pm On Mar 19, 2016 |
Scholar8200:Bro this is ETERNAL LIFE not a lifestyle. Wake up 1 Like |
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