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Religion / Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by vooks: 10:33am On Mar 22, 2016
MuttleyLaff:
I will repeat myself with a crucial point you seem to be overlooking where plḗthō meaning "full'' and implies "filled to one's (i.e. individual) capacity corroborates the below repeated paragraph I earlier mentioned in previous posts

Believers are on 24/7 charging, they ought to never unplug but remain connected ever charging
and receiving from the Mains, as much flowing current they are able and capable to receive.
The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak
The Holy Spirit is willing, to give as much as one can handle
but it is either faith or the flesh, at times which when weak that holds one back.

Full is not constant, as you grow so does your fullness grows. This is why, one is constantly plugged in to the Mains Holy Spirit
You see, the difference between an inflating or infilling balloon and a believer, is that a ballon bursts with air once it gets pass its fullness threshold, however the infilling Holy Spirit will continue to infill into a believer to the extent the believer gives it room to fill into.

When you say recharging, it's like you saying the juice is used up so requires topping up or recharging.

I have heard and read about little faith, weak faith etcetera but nothing like that about the Holy Spirit. One either has the Holy Spirit or one doesn't have it all. Worst case scenario, one has the residual Holy Spirit after it is quenched and there isn't anymore flow of the Holy Spirit current because the plug is pulled

It is the same current flowing, there is no second current flow. I have never heard, read or being taught about second current flows into electronic or electrical components. Electric flow is electric flow, there are no distinctions, so it is with the infilling of the Holy Spirit to the apostles after Pentecost
They just made room or more space for the infilling to fill into

Do people recharge electric irons?
When current electric flows into an electric iron, is it possible to discover other iron features/functionalities not previously used?

I got banned yesterday by the spambot.

I think we are saying close to the same thing.
If you note, I was clear that the refilling is not a repeat of the previous experience but it is entirely new. So far be it from you to insinuate replenishing. That's the problem with analogies. They are never exact. The disciples filling of the Holy Spirit the second time manifested in boldness. The first time it was tongues. Do you honestly think that on Pentecost the disciples LACKED capacity for receiving boldness, and they only stumbled into this sometimes in Acts 8 at which point they lifted up their voices to heavens,and God filled them with boldness? Exactly what is 'space for boldness'? Fear?

A more sensible way of looking at it is that before the threatenings, there was no need for boldness. Once they were intimidated, they were cowered, and they ran to God seeking, not a way out as many are wont to but a way through; boldness. Boldness is a new dimension of filling with Holy Ghost they had yet to experience.

The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak is about man's spirit vs his flesh, and not Holy Spirit vs man's flesh.

That theory of yours of 'making space' makes man the lord over the Spirit of God. There is nothing in scriptures remotely suggesting that some are more filled than others nor some have more capacity or space to receive Holy Spirit than others. Maybe you can regale us what capacity you have created lately, what filled it, and the effects of filling this freshly minted space/capacity.

Be that as it may, I will not pursue this debate beyond this post for the sake of unity of the participants of the thread. If you wish, start a new thread and invite me. Thanks

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Religion / Re: Please Does Anyone Have Bout Father Mbaka's Wherebout??? by vooks: 2:35pm On Mar 21, 2016
nashito:
please my fellow nairalanders, how come we have not heard of father mbaka ever since his transfer??

please mod,move this to the front page abeg, we need answers
Nash reporting from SULEJA NIGER STATE
He is either breathing or in purgatory

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Religion / Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by vooks: 1:33pm On Mar 21, 2016
MuttleyLaff:
I will first reproduced this excerpt from my earlier post which addressed your request

Believers are on 24/7 charging, they ought to never unplug but remain connected ever charging
and receiving from the Mains, as much flowing current they are able and capable to receive.
The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak
The Holy Spirit is willing, to give as much as one can handle
but it is either faith or the flesh, at times which when weak that holds one back
Believers are to fill in the Holy Spirit oversize shoes and suit with the current ever flowing from the Mains they are plugged and connected to

Now back to the matter

Strong's Concordance: furnish, accomplish, fill, supply
Original Word: πλήθω
Part of Speech: Verb
Phonetic Spelling: (play'-tho)
Short Definition: I fill
Definition: I fill, fulfill, complete.

HELPS Word-studies:-
4130 plḗthō (or pimplēmi) – properly, fill to the maximum (full extent), "the limit" (CBL).
4130 /plḗthō ("full"wink implies "filled to one's (individual) capacity."
Great! We know some Greek
But please answer my question.

To help you up,
They were FILLED on Pentecost, and not too long after that they were FILLED again in another singular event following prayers.
I called this 'recharge' or refilling or a second filling. You disputed this. What else would you call a filling following another filling other than a REfilling?
Religion / Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by vooks: 11:32am On Mar 21, 2016
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MuttleyLaff:


With all due respects to both of you, IMHO, there is nothing like recharging there however is something akin to ''''staying plugged in'' to the Source''''
''Staying plugged in'' to the Source, allows the continue flowing of the current of the Holy Spirit from the Source to recipients for infilling

Believers dont recharge, but stay plugged in to the Source, even with full bar on charge displaying

Believers are on 24/7 charging, they ought to never unplug but remain connected ever charging
and receiving from the Mains, as much flowing current they are able and capable to receive.
The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak
The Holy Spirit is willing, to give as much as one can handle
but it is either faith or the flesh, at times which when weak that holds one back
Believers are to fill in the Holy Spirit oversize shoes and suit with the current ever flowing from the Mains they are plugged and connected to

''Quenching the spirit'' happens when the plug is pulled, is another of my IMHO
as pulling the plug prevents the Holy Spirit from happening or continuing flowing from Source to fill up recipients

There are certain things we do (e.g. Samson and King Saul to name just two), which pulls the plug and ultimately quenches the Spirit

11Do not banish me from Your presence
or take Your Holy Spirit from me.

12Restore the joy of Your salvation to me,
and give me a willing spirit

- Psalm 51:11-12

There are at least two ingredients for keeping possession of Holy Spirit, they are:
1) God's presence - Remaining or staying in God's presence
2) Willing spirit - Having a willing spirit

The lack of 1 and 2 undermines the Holy Spirit and causes a total loss of it (i.e. quenches it)

The loss of the Holy Spirit, is clear or obvious to the trained eye, mind or observer
and the loss might manifest in two ways:
1) Instant total loss - total loss of Holy Spirit happening or coming immediately
2) Gradual loss - loss taking place slowly with a lingering residual Holy Spirit

Samson in Judges 16:20 and King Saul in 1 Samuel 16:14, are two examples of where, when the plug is pulled, the Spirit effectively is quenched and there is ''Total loss of the Holy Spirit''
Samson and King Saul, are also examples of the active resistance against God's work, and also persistent rebellion/sin getting the Spirit quenched vooks talked about

Gradual loss, where loss of the Holy Spirit can take place slowly with a lingering residual Holy Spirit, occurs in society today among believers, known as yesterday's man

We all know that one of the characteristics of a plugged in and switched on electric iron is heat (i.e. it gets hot or have high temperatures)
it also is known that, a just finished used iron, remains hot for a while even though it's being switched off and unplugged from the electic socket.

The Holy Spirit and believers, to a certain degree, are somewhat like the electric current flowing through the cable making a plugged in and switched on electric iron hot.
- The Holy Spirit is the electric current flowing through the cable and the believer is the electric iron

Now the reason for this lingering post, is merely to touch on that kind of believer tagged ''yesterday's man'' and the connection with Gradual loss
(i.e. loss taking place slowly with a lingering residual Holy Spirit)

The ''Yesterday's man'' believers, are like, a just used iron, switched off and unplugged from the electic socket but remaining hot due to residual heat
The Holy Spirit has been quenched and stopped flowing into the ''yesterday's man'' believer
but the ''yesterday's man'' believer, to some degrees, even after the switch off and unplugging from the Source,
remains still ''hot'' due to the lingering residual ''heat'' Holy Spirit

Most ''yesterday's man'' believer, dont know the Holy Spirit has been quenched because they are still showing the characteristics of the Holy Spirit, as in that lingering residual ''heat'' Holy Spirit

When the lingering residual ''heat'' Holy Spirit is finally and totally lost, then some of the ''yesterday's man'' believers turn to making unholy alliances with dark forces and/or undesirable spiritual entities to save face

The gullible and easily influenced who dont know about the ''yesterday's man'' believer's total loss of the Holy Spirit and the fake one replacing the original are easily deceived by it
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Thank you MutleyLaff
This is quite a lengthy post. I wonder how long you took to get it together. God bles you for your diligence.
Could you briefly explain what transpired here;
Acts 4:31 (KJV)
And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.


PS:
'They' here refers to Peter and John- v19, and 'their company' or fellow disciples-v23 who all partook in Pentecost sometimes before this.

Thanks
Religion / Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by vooks: 8:55pm On Mar 20, 2016
MizyB:

God bless you sir
And may the Lord reward you richly beloved sister. Your hunger for wisdom and insight will not go unnoticed in heaven. Keep them coming.
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 8:52pm On Mar 20, 2016
Scholar8200:
While you overlook all the emphasis I made on Life and expression thereof as the flesh is mortified by the Spirit? this is not too fair.
You have not defined righteousness other than insist it is CONDUCT/BEHAVIOR bla bla....Life/Expression....all empty cliches. To you righteousness is CONDUCT. Tune in tomorrow for Christianity 101:Righteousness
Religion / Re: Where Did Christians Fetch These Doctrines From by vooks: 11:45am On Mar 20, 2016
Asalimpo,
Do you believe the bible is the Inspired Word of God?
If you don't, then all the evidence adduced against your claims will ring hollow. Scriptures encourage us to THINK and reason,mbut not caricature God

The circumstances of suicide can also be applied to other things such as prostitution,adultery,homosexuality.... If you are going to wallow in situational ethics your hands are going to be full. But you won't get nowhere.

As you have been told, the sanctity of life is what makes suicide sin.

The earth is 6000 years because Adam, created in the 6th day has finite and known descendants going to Christ.
Religion / Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by vooks: 11:34am On Mar 20, 2016
MizyB:
Mr vooks, thank you. So a believer who doesnt 'recharge' this infilling might end up quenching the spirit, right? And Could this lead to total loss of the spirit in such believer?
Hi MizyB, interesting question right there.
Quenching the Spirit is expressly forbidden in 1 Thess 5:19. Quenching means extinguish, put out. This to me means obstructing or disparaging His work in men like spiritual gifts, or even conviction over sin. Failure to recharge to me does not lead to this, it simply keeps you in the SAME level of faith and experience with God. Recharging moves you higher.

When the disciples recharged, they did not receive additional spiritual gifts or manifestations; they were just emboldened to witness. They received boldness which was hitherto lacking in most. So I would say recharging also helps in confronting new challenges in our walk in Spirit.

What in my opinion causes 'loss of the Spirit' or bankruptcy of authentic Spirit experience in our lives is active resistance against His work, and also persistent rebellion/sin

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Religion / Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by vooks: 9:08pm On Mar 19, 2016
analice107:


Amen my brother.
I sent you a mail, I hope you got(?). A Brethren here mentioned you by name and cut mine short, when I asked her not to, dear that chap washed Mr down on WhatsApp. But it's well. We are here to let the light of God shine. Sometimes we make mistakes, but we shd all remember that we are human and can make mistakes. I think I made a mistake by telling her not to use our real name. She didn't take it well at all. I have apologised though.
I don't know how to fight, instead of fighting I withdraw. To tell you the truth. My interest in the thread started eroding. But then I remembered, am not here to impress anyone.
If you don't know who you are, people will tell you who you are not.
I think my bold faith is being interpreted as arrogance. And I hate pride.
Pls if I exude pride, I need to be called back. I can't afford to walk/work against myself.
I can't begin to mention the ways this thread has helped me. My courage has really been built just by being here.

I Appreciate every one here, and am so sorry if I have offended anyone, how-be-it unintentionally.

Evening dearest,
I think I never saw the post with my name. There is a degree of privacy I prefer maintaining online and I would not wish to breach it for any reason. Whoever that was, I forgive them in Jesus name.

Now lady, if you dare go silent I will spam your inbox with so many mails till you return back and continue strengthening the brethren. This is your pulpit, this is your manuscript before you release your book!

About arrogance, I recall Oyedepo quip, 'I say this with all humility, my family and I will never be poor'. This infuriated me endlessly. Then I realized you can't rob a man of his testimony. You may be envious,annoyed but there is NOTHING you can do about a man's encounter with God! Recall the lame guy Jesus healed in John and he just couldn't shut. The religious teachers tried to silence him but he could not. They ended kicking him out of the synagogue.

This is why am no longer a militant anti-tithing campaigner. If it works for you and you have testimonies, who am I to stumble your faith? So dearest, your testimonies may be a source of joy and strength to you but to others they will annoy. Let them alone. Don't stop worshipping and giving thanks because you don't want to offend. Those who take offense with you will whine when you are quiet and they will whine even more when you speak...they will be offended regardless of what you do. So if your conscience is clear before Jesus Christ, go ahead and speak. Don't hold back

I pray that should you refrain from testifying that the testimony will burn within you till you speak it cool
If you want to go quiet dear one, try and come up with a better excuse. This is an order!

Have a restful night

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Religion / Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by vooks: 8:53pm On Mar 19, 2016
eniigmar:

Tomorrow afternoon by God's grace.
I know you are a bit nervous, I pray and trust that you will bring forth the gospel not in mete words of wisdom of men but with POWER,SPIRIT,and CONVICTION.

And don't fret too much if you don't get it 'right', seize all opportunities to speak and the Lord will continue refining your gift. It's such a privillegd to be entrusted with the Word of God!
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 8:49pm On Mar 19, 2016
Muafrika2:
Typical. Thanks for the confession.

Errm...

The floor is yours broda.

I'll ignore the points you can't base on scripture.

Point 3,
Christ was perfect in his obedience, totally sinless

The third point Muafrika2,
Hebrews 9:14 (KJV)
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
1 Peter 1:18 (KJV)
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

So Jesus was perfect sacrifice, sinless.
To this, I submit to you, that Christ did not attain perfection in his days on earth. He was righteous, not perfect. That's why He refused to be called good. He had put on flesh, and flesh in itself is imperfection,


Matthew 19:17 |
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God:

He became a curse at death. Remember the phrase.."father, why have you forsaken me?". Does it mean he stopped being the righteosness of God, going by your reason?



Galatians 3:13 |
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Fourth point Muafrika2
Righteousness of God is not ATTAINED OVER TIME, it is a gift of God, and it is INSTANTANEOUS, given upon believing.
Luke 23. The penitent thief had no time to attain righteousness, he believed and went to heaven right away! Can we have an example with time in between? He was righteous alright. At the baby stage. Like me. Whenever I die, Ill be with Christ in paradise too. But any who, do you think his maturity (you seem to believe there is such a thing as mature Christians like you and babe's like me) was up to par with Paul, or with this guy who received the following word;


First, according to scripture, grace grows -

But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
2Peter 3:18

And Christians are continually changed into God's image. That's the real meaning of maturity.

But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord
2 Corinthians 3:18


I will teach you and Scholar8200 how to receive the righteousness of Christ by faith shortly. Working for gifts is silly and Legalism. Tiresome bro. It manufactures Pharisees out of genuine truth seekers just as it has turned you both
RIIIIIGHT
We continue tomorrow God willing or Monday. The Lord's Day can be hectic for me so if I don't post tomorrow, I pray that you bear with me.
Have a restful night my brother, and may the Lord continue enlightening us in His Truth....its a pleasure to have these debates. Thank you for your time. Totally appreciated.
Religion / Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by vooks: 7:09pm On Mar 19, 2016
eniigmar:

Amen oooo.
When are you delivering the sermon?
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 7:03pm On Mar 19, 2016
Fourth point Muafrika2
If you fantasize attaining this over your life, you are delusional. In any case, before you attain that, you are unrighteous! grin
Righteousness of God is not ATTAINED OVER TIME, it is a gift of God, and it is INSTANTANEOUS, given upon believing. Luke 23. The penitent thief had no time to attain righteousness, he believed and went to heaven right away!

I will teach you and Scholar8200 how to receive the righteousness of Christ by faith shortly. Working for gifts is silly and Legalism. Tiresome bro. It manufactures Pharisees out of genuine truth seekers just as it has turned you both
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 6:53pm On Mar 19, 2016
The third point Muafrika2,
Christ was perfect in his obedience, totally sinless

Hebrews 9:14 (KJV)
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

1 Peter 1:18 (KJV)
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:


So Jesus was perfect sacrifice, sinless.
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 6:51pm On Mar 19, 2016
Second point Muafrika2
If you are the righteousness of God, then you can't possibly possess ANY imperfection. That's a contradiction and confusion of epic proportions. You can't be PERFECT and IMPERFECT at the same time

Remember, I'm following YOUR (and Scholar8200's) definition of righteousness as CONDUCT, behavior that mirrors God's character. Since God never sins, if you purport to possess God's character, and you go in and sin, then you don't possess His character!
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 6:45pm On Mar 19, 2016
Muafrika2:

You see the colours, those are the important scripturally baseless points you have finally made. I dare you to support them with scripture. And then I will debase them with scripture. Otherwise you have points to make that are baseless apart from human inventions, and more important, contrary to Gods word.

Let's start with the first point. Biblical definition of righteousness. First, you are the one who (correctly) observed that God's character is what he measures man's righteousness with. If you want to chase your own tail and 'debase' your own posts, be my guest cool

What I have done is to God's character I have added attitude and behavior.

Hush my broda, I by God's grace will lead you to GRACE. You will be creaming and barking but the freedom is worth it. Never again will you have to work to earn your salvation. This is tiresome and an exercise in futility. Like all Legalists, you are not even sure of your salvation. What if Christ returns during those 'at times' when the devil does a number on you? You will miss rapture grin I know the fear of Legalists too well. I was one of them, but thanks be to Holy Spirit who delivered me from shackles of legalism into grace. See if there is one thing worse than the Law of sin and death, it is to concoct an admixture of faith and works. This yoke will break your back oooo
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 6:35pm On Mar 19, 2016
Muafrika2:


If living in righteousness, truth and goodness is now legalism. Then that's all I want to be.
This is all good. The problem is all life you can possibly live 'in righteousness,truth and goodness' still falls short of God's requirements-Isaiah 64:6
Not the labor of my hands
Can fulfil thy Law's demands


But know this. If you are a tree claiming to be a mango tree yet your fruits are bananas, it's because you do not have the nature of mango trees. You are a fraud. I'll use Christ's example;

Matthew 7:17 |
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
The problem again is you are a total babe to fundamentals of Christianity. Why was Jesus sinless?

Now not everybody that calls on the name of God is God's. You can confess God with the mouth and your heart be in rebellion. The difference between the two kinds of people is in their fruits.
This is Pharisee spirit stirring in you. By your own confession you STILL sin, you still produce bad fruit( and probably good) grin grin
What are you an orange tree occasionally yielding lemons or a lemon tree occasionally yielding oranges

Pay attention as I lead you out of Legalism and confusion
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 6:23pm On Mar 19, 2016
Muafrika2:


Am more than righteous. Am the very righteousness of God. My imperfection is due to a continuous process of growth. Which will be complete for all elect only at the end of the age.
Matthew 5:48 (KJV)
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Righteousness is God's perfection in character,attitude,and behavior. If you are the righteousness of God, then you can't possibly possess ANY imperfection. That's a contradiction and confusion of epic proportions. You can't be PERFECT and IMPERFECT at the same time

That's why there is hope for people with living flesh like you. So long as the flesh remains denatured you can produce the righteosness of God. The flesh is continually warring against the spirit. And its very presence is sin before God. You kill it by resisting it's nature.
If you fantasize attaining this over your life, you are delusional. In any case, before you attain that, you are unrighteous! grin

Scholar just posted about the ongoing growth into perfection based on scripture, Which of course you did not notice;
Christ was perfect in his obedience, totally sinless. This is what qualifies him to be our propitiation. If you hallucinate about attaining sinlessness as His at any point I wish to remind you you will perish in your sins. Think about what happens if you perish now before your hypothetical future point t where you will have 'grown into perfection'


So back to you, do you you ever transform from that character of the devi in your state of sin to righteousness?
You are a total babe in fundamentals of Christianity; the righteousness of Christ. No amount of character transformation and behavioral modification earns you PERFECTION or righteousness of Christ
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 6:06pm On Mar 19, 2016
Scholar8200:
Well if you make the accusation of Legalism, what part of the NT has been contravened thus far? State it and in clear times and with Bible references . (without the latter I will take whatever is said as your opinion and leave it at that).

Legalism is the fantasy of attaining PERFECTION/righteousness as demanded by God through conduct and lifestyle.

The one single verse you contravene..actually fall short of is
Matthew 5:48 (KJV)
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


Unless and until you are PERFECT as your Father in heaven, you have no right to call yourself righteous. And this is why you are scratching your heads with your tail between your legs because you sure know that not only have you fallen short of Matthew 5:48, you are the furthest thing from it. And there are no proximates, no 'almost there'; either you have it or you don't

Cc Muafrika2
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 5:54pm On Mar 19, 2016
Scholar8200 and Muafrika2,

Matthew 5:48 (KJV)
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


This is God's requirement. This is righteousness of God, of Christ. This is what Paul gave up the Law to attain. Are any of you Legalists PERFECT as our Father in heaven?
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 5:48pm On Mar 19, 2016
Muafrika2:
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First answer my question then I'll answer yours smarty.
Yes I do sin Muafrika2

Mr Muafrika2 Devil 'at times' and God's character at other times, what are you?
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 5:36pm On Mar 19, 2016
Muafrika2:
Oh well,

At times. Because the flesh can arise. That's why it has to be crucified daily.
So Muafrika2 despite being armed with God's character 'not perfectly' is still a sinner grin grin
So you oscillate from righteous to unrighteous.....pendulum theology grin
What are you, the end that 'at times' is a devil or the other end which is God character?
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 5:18pm On Mar 19, 2016
Muafrika2:
There he goes again with another round of questions while avoiding the scriptures he is given. Vooks, stop being lazy and scroll back up and read. You also may need to change pastors. Get someone who is not afraid of the truth.

Like you who possess the very character of God, the very righteousness yet 'not perfect' and working hard on what remains with pain'?

Mr Righteous Muafrika2, do you sin?
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 5:12pm On Mar 19, 2016
Muafrika2:


What do you mean. I already have something you are (indirectly) confessing you don't have. It's a privilege!
What are you painfully working on? And what do you mean by 'not perfect'? I thought you either possess righteousness or you don't
Muafrika2:
Yep,
Not perfect but there alright, and am working on what is remaining with alot of pain.

You won't like it...
I'm not here to 'like it' grin
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 5:08pm On Mar 19, 2016
Scholar8200:

Well, this is God's expectation when we receive His Grace, this is what it should produce in us :

Is this pursuit optional? NO

Stay Blessed.
You possess God's character mr Righteous Scholar8200, all God helps you is that righteousness in you to produce something. The gift is free but it's fruit is your job grin

Do you ever sin? When last did you sin Mr Righteous Scholar8200?
Can't recall that, no?
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 5:05pm On Mar 19, 2016
Muafrika2:

From your posts it's obvious. I don't know whether it's a certain book you read and are basing all your points (all of which so far) have been questions challenging scripture without providing any to the contrary.
You possess the Avery character of God, but when pressed you concede that you are not yet there... Are you celebrating prematurely?

So am curious, what is the basis of your theology?

You have the Spirit of God, discern grin
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:57pm On Mar 19, 2016
Scholar8200:

That is the Divine purpose just as the Father was fully revealed in the Son:

May God help us, Amen.
God help you with what, you ALREADY have the righteousness of God, the very character of scholar8200 is God's!
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:54pm On Mar 19, 2016
Muafrika2:

How can we not if we share one Spirit? Your creator lives in me. I am the righteosness of God.

Not a joke.

2 Corinthians 5:21 |
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
What are you working on if you are ALREADY the righteousness of God? What a conundrum of theology!
The way of the transgressor Legalists is hard grin
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:53pm On Mar 19, 2016
Muafrika2:


Yep,
Not perfect but there alright, and am working on what is remaining with alot of pain.
Working hard to receive a gift
'Not perfect' means you don't possess God's character. At what point does one declare they are righteous, that they possess God's character? When they are lightyears even by their own generous estimation away from 'perfect'?

You received this righteousness by faith but in reality it is an illusion you keep on chasing?

Do you believe it's impossible? Just crucify your self and see.
You have crucified yourself and hence you are qualified to declare to all and sundry that God's character is all you are! How can it be impossible?
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:46pm On Mar 19, 2016
Scholar8200:
And what is Eternal Life? A quality of life or a quantity sans end? And when do we receive Eternal Life? At death or now?

For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, it is much more [certain], now that we are reconciled, that we shall be saved (daily delivered from sin’s dominion) through His [[g]resurrection] life.
Romans 5:10 (AMP)

The highlighted is my focus.

{one thing about these discussions is that God help us to press further in their practical realities, Amen.}
I don't manufacture my theology out of interpolation and paraphrases.
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:43pm On Mar 19, 2016
Dear Nairalanders,
Scholar8200 & Muafrika2 have assured me that if God possesses any character, one needs to look no further than in in their lives to see this character manifest. These are righteous folks
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:30pm On Mar 19, 2016
Scholar8200:

What is received: Life.

31 but these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
John 20:31
Bro this is ETERNAL LIFE not a lifestyle. Wake up

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