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Religion / Re: Chris And Anita Oyakhilome: The Truth You Never Knew by vooks: 8:11am On Mar 23, 2016
Gombs:


It's weird how they both didn't see this in the OP, neither did they see the NO adultery part... They somehow saw "abuse" and some other things I wonder how they arrived there.

I'm frankly surprised someone here hasn't called masturbattion and curled hair, but I wasn't disappointed... They brought in WoF...

I'm glad the OP has laid to rest some issues sorely misconstrued... It's just about 5 or 7 folks of the whole 2000+ views that has issues with it.. Majorly because I didn't write what they wanted to see, which is- Chris Oyakhilome is guilt of adultery, abuse and deception.

grin

Make it easy for you...walk us through WHY Anita filed for divorce...the reasons she gave
Religion / Re: Chris And Anita Oyakhilome: The Truth You Never Knew by vooks: 8:08am On Mar 23, 2016
Joagbaje:


I've been consistent in what I believe over the. Years. If I have said anything inconsistent I would have appreciate it quoted out. Christians will always have challenge of faith . Paul suffered peril in the sea and peril of false brethren etc. they are challenges of faith .
Was this a 'challenge of faith'?
Did Oyaks win the challenge?
As much as I don't want to enter this matter I don't think Gombs tried to paint anybody bad in his post. He laid the blame on family members and lawyer who tried to put fire by being wrong influence .

He blames Anita for being a totally brainless m0ron who for all the years she was married to Oyaks was clueless as to how much he is worth.
Religion / Re: Chris And Anita Oyakhilome: The Truth You Never Knew by vooks: 8:06am On Mar 23, 2016
Gombs:


Your opinion is duly noted.

Thanks
Just like your spinning was duly noted and ignored with utter contempt. How have you been? How many more languages has ROR been translated into since you penned this bullshiet?
Religion / Re: False prophet TB Joshua Caught Red Handed Editing His Prophecies!!! by vooks: 8:04am On Mar 23, 2016
Burger01:
Who believes in prophecies, especially from fake Nigerian pastors undecided

As long it's not from any of those prophets in old testament I'm out undecided

Believe naija pastors at own peril sad

Many do, that's why he can afford a $60M Gulfstream
Religion / Re: False prophet TB Joshua Caught Red Handed Editing His Prophecies!!! by vooks: 8:04am On Mar 23, 2016
paycash:
OP if you don't have respect for human being like you, your country and your God.
You need to go for restitution and stop given more room to sinners like you.
If TB Joshua base in Europe you will buy ticket to visit him because you are born to destroy your own continent, the man you called fake is better than crude oil you are looking for if people like you have wisdom to manage human resources in Nigeria .

He warns France. Belgium is hit and he claims he was talking about Belgium. Is he a satanist?
Who is the father of all lies?

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Religion / Re: False prophet TB Joshua Caught Red Handed Editing His Prophecies!!! by vooks: 8:02am On Mar 23, 2016
ododo42:
I dnt see T.B Joshua as ah fake man of God,nd mind u we dnt hav any right to judge ah man of God,God knows his people,we from south south value dix man jt lik d disciples of Jesus valued jesus.
In your own mother tongue, what do you call deceptively editing videos?
Religion / Re: Chris And Anita Oyakhilome: The Truth You Never Knew by vooks: 8:00am On Mar 23, 2016
Gombs:


It's clear that you CANNOT show where I called/painted her a liar, as you conspicuously lied few minutes ago..neither can you show where I insulted her directly or indirectly... Or threads I opened in the past to extol her virtues as a pastor, spiritual mother etc.


I humbly acknowledge your new hobby.
Negro,
You are carrying a heavy burden; proving Anita was ignorant of Oyaks wealth and that she was NEVER abused.

Candour, pray for this junior to receive some sense
Religion / Re: Chris And Anita Oyakhilome: The Truth You Never Knew by vooks: 7:54am On Mar 23, 2016
Candour:


If it happened to mere mortals like you and I, its because we lack the faith or we're simply not Christians. Now that it happened to the ultimate 'god of man' in Nigeria, Jo suddenly remembers there's something called "Will of God".

I remember all the arguments we've had on issues like this since 2012. I remember the WOF thread and similar threads where I and others tried to make them see that their doctrines place them in a bubble easily deflated by reality but they said all sorts in defence.

I never bothered myself with this drama since it broke in 2014 because I saw it as simply another case of man and wife problems and his horde of loyal folks will fight dirty to defend him. However, Gombs in trying to defend his master had no qualms about putting down Anita forgetting that he or others have opened threads in the past to extol her virtues as a pastor, spiritual mother, celebrate her birthday etc. He even went as far as painting her as a liar for alleging she was abused then playing dumb when paxonel asked him to explain.

Is this the first time Jo flips and flops? My brother, it must be an attribute of their 'godhood' o otherwise why hasn't he paid good 'ol sirJohn his 500k?

You are right my broda,
I don't wish my worst sworn enemy divorce, and Oyaks is far from being my enemy. I had thought the divorce would rouse them out of their theological stupor, show them that the signature frightening certainty and control over all circumstances of WOF is all sham and empty bravado. But lo and behold the lengths they went to cover it up and deny it. You can bet if divorce could be hid, Oyaks could have hid it from everyone to maintain the aura of invincibility.

Since divorce is not enough,let's hope something worse will not be needful..I mean death or sickness
Religion / Re: False prophet TB Joshua Caught Red Handed Editing His Prophecies!!! by vooks: 6:08am On Mar 23, 2016
kolomax:
grin meanwhile stop using the word negro
Hey, I'm a Negro myself, darker that you can possibly think. But profuse apologies for offending your sensibilities
Religion / Re: False prophet TB Joshua Caught Red Handed Editing His Prophecies!!! by vooks: 5:48am On Mar 23, 2016
We thank God for faithful SCOANITES who independently upload sermons hoping to propagate his message further. They help in debunking this charlatan

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Religion / False prophet TB Joshua Caught Red Handed Editing His Prophecies!!! by vooks: 5:39am On Mar 23, 2016
This is the so called prophecy fulfillment. He claims to have prophesied the Brussels attack



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfi7XtZcAWM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

He speaks for a French Country...did he identify it?
Let's watch the ORIGINAL clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=074-zXBzWPg

The country is identified as France!
In fact he is warning them of FURTHER attacks following the latest attacks towards the end of 2015.

Cc Joagbaje,Candour,PastorKun,Image123

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Religion / Re: SCOANITES: Why Is TB Joshua So Desperate To AVOID Trial? by vooks: 5:29am On Mar 23, 2016
The trial has suffered multiple delays due to repeated legal challenges by Joshua’s team.
Newsweek can see the incessant attempts to drag the case forever
Religion / Re: SCOANITES: Why Is TB Joshua So Desperate To AVOID Trial? by vooks: 5:23am On Mar 23, 2016
More adjournment. Can we agree that Judiciary is a sham

A judge on Tuesday adjourned the criminal negligence trial of popular Nigerian preacher TB Joshua over a fatal building collapse at his Lagos megachurch.

Joshua, church trustees and two engineers are accused of criminal negligence and involuntary manslaughter after the 2014 collapse of a guesthouse at the Synagogue Church of All Nations (SCOAN) that left 116 people dead, most of them South Africans.

Lagos High Court Judge Lateef Lawal-Akapo said the case would resume “on April 8 for arguments” after a fresh challenge was brought by the defendants to halt the trial.

TB Joshua’s trial has had several adjournments since last year due to numerous legal challenges.

http://www.9jatales.com/2016/03/court-adjourns-synagogue-building_22.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Religion / Re: Superstition, The Bane Of The Nigerian Mind by vooks: 4:40am On Mar 23, 2016
dalaman:


Putin has always been a dictator. 70 percent of Russian say that religion does not matter in their lives. Deal with that.
Without asking you to substantiate, since when was it about what they said?
99% of Muslims would probably tell you they are against extremism grin
Religion / Re: Superstition, The Bane Of The Nigerian Mind by vooks: 4:38am On Mar 23, 2016
lilliesboy:


I have no business with you in particular because imbeciles/woodheads like you can only educate toddlers. Where are your facts? What's Ethiopia economic ranking in Africa? Go sleep for gutter!
Don't ask m0ronic questions, Google is your friend
Religion / Re: Superstition, The Bane Of The Nigerian Mind by vooks: 4:38am On Mar 23, 2016
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johnydon22:
[b][i]"Suffer not the witch to live" the pastor would quote from the ever poetic bible verse and is rewarded with an ear quaking "Amen" from the ever excited congregation.

You could see the pouring emotions of deep fear as they shout and pray for the witches and wizards in their villages, uncles and grandmums and mother in-laws always at the center of this suspicion to die.

You would see cases where continuous chants of "die! die!! die!!!" rents the air all meant for the alleged witch who supposedly by some spirity diabolical means is hindering their progress or health.

This is a sad reality of the Nigerian society..

People blame abstract concepts like 'witches, Wizards, demons and devils' for their misfortune but never themselves.

Such mindset is an extremely dangerous and disturbing and is exactly detrimental to the progress of such a person.

Nigerians should learn to shed themselves of such ludicrous mindset that their misfortunes are shenanigans of some Uncle in the village because such mindset instills that imaginary fear that makes you look for imaginary solutions that in actuality will never work.

I have said it time and again that anybody who blames every other person for their mistakes or misfortunes or conditions doesn't deserve to be trusted because they will blame every other but themselves for circumstances directly or indirectly is as a result of their own actions.

We are in a remarkable millennium of outstanding scientific breakthrough in every aspect of human endeavour.

We know that someone who breaks down and experiences severe seizure is neither possessed by any demon or having a demonic attack, that is a primitive way of rendering a diagnosis which is not only incorrect but far from ever being correct.

It is a shame that in this 21st century world, there are actually humans who still hold such beliefs and even hold it to be true, that is particularly insulting to the human intellect.


There was a time the European society was like this, every plague or unexplained event is attributed to some abstract ideas like witches, demons and co, it is known in human history as the dark ages.. we know how better off these society turned out after evolving pass such mindset.

I watched a documentary in the discovery Channel about a tribe deep in the African rain forest, oblivious of any form of civilization, in fact they still go about naked. These people still hold the belief that illnesses are caused by evil spirits and as such require sacrifices to heal.

The narrator was amazed how primitive such society is in this 21st century humans delude themselves with the notion that the whole world is almost civilized.

I shook my head, if only he knew we still experience this in a large scale even in a supposedly civilized society like Nigeria.

- A society where Children are being beaten up and abused while being accused of witch craft.

- 2 year olds are being left to die in the open because one idiot claims he is a witch

- Old women and men are being beaten to death by a mindless mob gripped hard in the shackles of a nameless imaginary danger or fear.

- A society where unidentified ailments are automatically works of devils and witches while in a sane clime it should have been empirically scrutinized to ascertain the actual result and in doing so save millions of lives in the future.

-The most sad of these is that this is also a society where people heap the blames of their own misfortunes on these abstract concepts.

Tell me how anybody can be a master of his situation when he thinks that he is a victim of that situation?

It is evidently clear that the victim's mindset diminishes the human potential, by not accepting responsibility for our actions and circumstances, we greatly reduce our ability to change them.

tell me how one can succeed when he thinks his situation is the handiwork of someone and something else and not himself and by doing so rather sees himself as the victim of that circumstance..

Your misfortunes are not as a result of witches and wizard or that weird looking uncle in the village.

No, we live in a random world of unstopping chain reactions of actions.

Good things and bad things happen and can to anybody at any time and where by accepting this we will learn to accept the reality of our own conditions and accept full responsibility for them only then can we proffer real solutions that can actually change them, chanting in churches or temples or bathing in rivers to change your situation are more like digging where you should be filling up.

Nigerian Nollywood i particularly also blame for a good percentage of this because they give a distorted view of reality but anyone who swallows such distortion is also part of his problem which is simplistic gullibility.

It is time Africans (Nigerians) stop falling preys to Babalawos, Alfas, temple masters, pastors who fill your heads with a complete imbecilic superstition and fear ..


Nobody can help you more than you and you can start by changing your mindset ... If you wear a red glass you will always see everything in a shade of red.

So too if you fear witches/wizards/demons and live with that fear, you will see every slight fall out or whiff of wind as actions of witches and wizard..


It is time to take off the red glass and rid yourself of that fear that can only diminish your own potentials..

Africans should wake and rid themselves of these pitiful reverence of nonsensical superstitions or it will be the bane of our development.

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What contribution have you made to Nigeria personally now that you are above superstition, apart from barking at it?
Religion / Re: Chris And Anita Oyakhilome: The Truth You Never Knew by vooks: 4:26am On Mar 23, 2016
Joagbaje:

If a minister experience a challenge what the body of christ need do is simply to pray ,let the will of God be done . All these talk talk on who is guilty should stop . It's carnal . Or is it because it's pastor chris the news maker grin. Yes na other ministers who even divorced their own wives were not talked about. A minister in lagos divorced and mary and divorced twice . It didn't cause stir life moved on.


But WOF theology has no room for God's sovereignty. It's all about decrees and confession and voila! You create your own world!
So was it God's will that his marriage was broken? The reason he is talked about is because he is the most rabid heretic teaching that man is God bla de bla...so everyone was waiting for the God in him to scatter his divorce in 7 directions

Candour come and see this inconsistent pasta oo
Religion / Re: Video : Watch Tb Joshua's Prophecy On Brussel Attack by vooks: 4:21am On Mar 23, 2016
Joagbaje:


Firstly a prophet is not allowed to say everything he sees. God shows him things that can be averted , he prays about it . But some must happen and no prayer can change it.

Secondly it's not everything a prophet sees . He only see either in the direction he's scanning or the direction God allow him to see . No prophet of the bible saw everything not even christ.

2 Kings 4:27
And when she came to the man of God to the hill, she caught him by the feet: but Gehazi came near to thrust her away. And the man of God said, Let her alone; for her soul is vexed within her: and the Lord hath hid it from me, and hath not told me.

Bunch of nonsense
First, he was wrong on the language, Belgium main language is Dutch.
Secondly, it is super obvious Europe would be hit, the influx of Syrian refugees has everyone in their edge.
Third, what purpose does it serve?

When you grow up and get enough brains to see through this charlatan, the Kingdom of God will have truly come
Religion / Re: Video : Watch Tb Joshua's Prophecy On Brussel Attack by vooks: 4:18am On Mar 23, 2016
Benite:
From PROPHET TB JOSHUA'S FACEBOOK

On 31st of January this year 2016, the man of God prophet tb joshua gave a prophecy about an impending attack on a French nation urging them to pray against it and tighten their security as terrorist were still in town looking for a crowded place to strike.
NOTE: Belgium speaks 3 languages FRENCH, DUTCH and German. But majority of them speak French and Brussel the attacked City is among the french speaking part of belgium

Link: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1083068018480640&id=103470916440360&refid=17&_ft_=top_level_post_id.1083068018480640%3Atl_objid.1083068018480640%3Athid.103470916440360%3A306061129499414%3A3%3A0%3A1459493999%3A3007861731273338348

Watch the Video Below



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfi7XtZcAWM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Why are you propagating nonsense?
He spoke of a COUNTRY not city, and the main language of Belgium is Dutch not French. #EpicFail

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Religion / Re: Video : Watch Tb Joshua's Prophecy On Brussel Attack by vooks: 4:14am On Mar 23, 2016
Image123:


Vague. Anyone can predict a terrorist attack in a French speaking or English speaking country at any time t. Very vague, and even if it were SPECIFIC, it really proves nothing. A Word from God is meant to glorify God, edify the church and bring succour, and bring sinners to salvation and repentance.
TB Joshua is a charlatan and it is unfortunate that many who claim to be Spirit filled can't see through his shenanigans.
Only depraved minds can attempt to gain publicity mileage out of carnage....lets hope that when tragedy hits his own house he will true to his colors attempt to gain from it
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 4:05am On Mar 23, 2016
promisechuks:

THE BOTTONLINE PROBLEM; they try to judge christ finished work on the basis of the account of the apostles, which is not bad, but better if they had judge what the apostles said with christ's finished work, for them to understand that the bible has NO contradiction. Without that, they will continue to contradict the bible to their own peril. The bible is a christocentric book pointing to one message "Jesus and his finished work".


That's why they don't have the full knowledge of eternal life(gift) and crown of life(reward).


The problem with these pharisee-self-righteous-people is that they have not understand the MESSAGE OF THE CROSS. They don't even understand the gospel of grace. They think that grace is the gospel that gives people licence to sin.
And I don't even blame them, because, the pastors on pulpits are not even helping, busy preaching ANOTHER GOSPEL; mosaic(right living) gospel and elijaic, (if-i-be-a-man-of-God) sermon.



Until they understand the gospel of grace(birth, death and resurrection of jesus, and the glory that follows it), they will not know the righteousness by faith alone but rather will die in their imperfect works of righteousness. But I pray for God's mercy on them.


Whereas, people who believe in right living is still sinning with a far worse licence, the LAW. According to paul, IN THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

Imagine the holy, just and righteous law, being the power and the knowledge of sin. Why? Because the devil is using it to convict us of our paid sin.



They need to understand the basis of christ death! Without that, they will not understand the gospel of Jesus(grace) properly.

Grace(jesus) gospel is a gospel that fundamentally based on Jesus and his finished works. And this gospel is supposed to be the basics of christianity and not right living.

Very true sir,
When you find somebody who is working hard to be righteous, you know that's a Pharisee right there. One thing about Pharisees is they are hopelessly self-righteous, they are ever comparing themselves with others. Sorry to say this but Deeper Life members have this habit. Here is what Jesus said of them;

Matthew 5:20 (KJV)
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


No wonder Paul despite being blameless in the Law, he was so incomplete , he had to leave all that to reach to the righteousness of Christ which is by faith
Religion / Re: Chris And Anita Oyakhilome: The Truth You Never Knew by vooks: 8:14pm On Mar 22, 2016
Gombs:
has anyone heard from my good friend Bidam? undecided cry cry cry sad
He deactivated his account. Miss the broda(no homo)
Religion / Re: Chris And Anita Oyakhilome: The Truth You Never Knew by vooks: 6:54pm On Mar 22, 2016
Candour:


I'm not disputing your tale that he owns nothing. I'm not bothered if he was poorer than Ghandi or mother Theresa. That's left for his sheeple like you to rejoice over.

My surprise and amazement is how you got to know and his wife of 22 years with whom he coauthored ROR didn't?

Were you a domestic help in his house to be blessed with such privileged info that was hidden from your former mummy? smiley
I can add another related question.
How did Gombs know that Anita, and her lawyers by extension, imagined Oyaks was was richer than $120K account+ a South African mansion?

There is a documentary I watched on Netflix,Going Clear: Scientology The Prison of Belief, it's about Scientology and the massive indoctrination that happens over there. Something that struck me is their 'fair game' policy where they justify attacking their perceived opponents; journalists, critics and ex-members. They also use records of sessions of former members to blackmail them, something TB Joshua has refined to an art.

I'm seeing CEC hooligans do the same. Initially they denied any rumor of divorce, then when it was more than apparent they played dumb, and now that Anita is hinting at breaking her silence, she is the Hoe of Babylon. In fact, the very fact that she has tarnished Oyaks' Benny Hinn-esque white suits by filing for divorce is more than enough reason to assault her. If you think Gombs is here to tell the truth you are mistaken, he is just Oyaks henchman. The gloves are off
Religion / Re: Chris And Anita Oyakhilome: The Truth You Never Knew by vooks: 3:35pm On Mar 22, 2016
Gombs:


Jokes aside...a neonate can figure this out, but i see your futile efforts to discredit the OP...

a quick brainwork...If he had, don't you think Rev Anita's lawyers would have found out? undecided undecided Maybe you should read about that law firm.

thanks
Anita thought Oyaks was filthy rich..she was deluded for years. She pushed this to her lawyers only for all of them to get a rotten egg when Oyaks told them he owns nothing barring a $120K account and a South African mansion.

How do we know all this? Gombs, Oyaks NL poodle grin
Even marine invertebrates can see that you are drowning and choking in circular reasoning; you are appealing to your own claims as evidence of your claims while rubbishing everything that paints Oyaks in bad light. Once again, why should any reasonably intelligent person trust you,because you are Oyaks fanboy?

You know after the SCOAN building tragedy, all sorts of blog's spawned with the most ret@rded conspiracy theories; BH,CIA,Illuminati, controlled demolition, 'infrasonic' weapons......I had always thought that SCOANITES were not too clever and they are an easy lot to confuse with facts. Then along came CEC hooligans, they are completely bereft of any reason, their sole purpose is worshipping Oyaks and agreeing with him. Not sure what made me overrate them...maybe it's that Sinach siren

Candour, this is Sillicon Valley grade geek?

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Religion / Re: Chris And Anita Oyakhilome: The Truth You Never Knew by vooks: 2:59pm On Mar 22, 2016
Candour:


Gombs is an insider obviously. He confirmed it himself otherwise how did he know that oyaks had nothing to his name and Anita, the wife and associate pastor of 22 years didn't?!!!

I would just like to know in what capacity he served to be so privileged.
Serving at CEC adds to IQ and there is no better proof of this than Gombs grin grin

In fact I wonder why Jo hasn't called on the David scenario to defend oyaks, the man of God, after all David is one of the most God-beloved characters in the bible and he had a legion of wives and God even queried him for not asking for more instead of taking Bathsheba.
I can suggest one reason he is yet to do that; David sinned and Oyaks as a 'man of God' cannot sin...bad analogy

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Religion / Re: Chris And Anita Oyakhilome: The Truth You Never Knew by vooks: 2:11pm On Mar 22, 2016
Gombs:


Refer to the OP!

Thanks
It is as valid as the divorce claims..why should you be trusted is the question

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Religion / Re: Chris And Anita Oyakhilome: The Truth You Never Knew by vooks: 1:22pm On Mar 22, 2016
Gombs:


How did/do you know Rev Anita was abused? Were you living with them as a driver? Or gardener?

I noticed y'all skipped the "adultery" part and clinged to the abuse part... Awesome!
How do you know there was no adultery?

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Religion / Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by vooks: 1:20pm On Mar 22, 2016
MuttleyLaff:
Naija says ''ti a ba bu ounje sinu epo epa, eni ma yo, a yo''
loosely means
''when food is served in groundnut pods, diners who will eat, enjoy the meal and be full will be''
Whatever
Religion / Re: GRACE TRANSCENDS FORGIVENESS! by vooks: 12:32pm On Mar 22, 2016
Muafrika2,Scholar8200
I had promised to do justice to the righteousness of Christ.
Let me repeat that the best of man's manners and intents don't make him righteous; if it did, Jesus died in vain. This brand of faith you are peddling is Legalism, the idea that some conduct may endear you to God. I will tackle that later on.

For now, turn with me to Romans 4

Romans 4:1-8 (NKJV)
1 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh?
2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”
4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”


Please note;
1. Abraham was never justified by ANY work he did.
2. Had Abraham been justified by his works, he'd have had a sound reason to be proud. Justification by works is a source of pride. It gives the 'justified' some sense of accomplishment.
3. Abraham believed and on the basis of his faith righteousness was credited to his account. Please look up verse 3 in as many translations as you can because this is the basis of my post. Also note that believing is not a work as it is contrasted with work. Whatever work means, it precludes faith.
4. When you work, your wages are your entitlement, they are your right. One can't call this right grace seeing they earned it....which means Grace is a gift!
5. On the contrary, without doing any work but by just believing, your account is credited with righteousness on the basis of your faith.
6. Even David in Psalms 32:1-2 capture of his righteousness which is free from ANY work. God IMPUTES this righteousness. That's a powerful word. He clothes you with it without you having done any work.

We will see Paul expounding on this righteousness that God IMPUTES on us without any work further;
In verses 9-12, Paul argues that this blessedness of God imputing righteousness without works is applicable for both Jews and Gentiles seeing Abraham received it while uncircumcised.

Romans 4:19-25 (NKJV)
19 And not being weak in faith, he did not consider his own body, already dead (since he was about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah's womb. 20 He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform. 22 And therefore “it was accounted to him for righteousness.”
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.



Here, Paul artfully as only one inspired can write sums up his argument. The righteousness that was imputed on Abraham by his faith is also ours, and it is IMPUTED to us. While Abraham believed that God would keep His promise including raising his dead son, we believe in Jesus who died for our sin, paying the price, and was resurrected for our justification.

I have always wondered why God IMPUTES righteousness on us. It is simply because His standards of righteous are way too lofty for any man to achieve them, because He is our standard;
Matthew 5:48 (NKJV)
48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.


So what is IMPOSSIBLE for man to achieve by works, God IMPUTES on us by faith. I wish to reiterate that God does not call you righteous because you have somewhat conquered all 'major' sins and are actively striving to please Him; He IMPUTES the righteousness of Christ the moment you believe. This righteousness of Christ is not imputed by continuous acts of piety, because if that were the case, it would be of works.

During animal sacrifices, an exchange happened; the innocent spotless animal without blemish takes on the sin of the sinner while the sinner take on its purity. This is why the animal is subsequently killed while the sinner's debt is paid

At the cross, Jesus who was holy and pure was treated as a sinner so that we who are sinners and impure can be treated as righteous. This is what is meant by Jesus died for our sins, raised for our justification. Remember in Romans 4:1 Abraham was justified by faith. For us, we appropriate the merits of the cross by believing Jesus died and rose again for us.

Again, and even before we get to our subject verse,
Romans 3:21-22 (NKJV)
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe.


Please note Paul's emphasis that this righteousness is APART from the Law. It is independent of the Law although the Law witnesses it. The Law points to it but it cannot give it.

This is interesting. Think about it; ANYTHING you can possibly think or do is already mentioned in the Law yet the righteousness of God by faith is apart from the Law. When you read these commandments, they hint at how hard it is to meet God's standards.

Take the greatest commandments which Muafrika2 boldly claims to keep or bother keeping;
Matthew 22:37-40 (NKJV)
37 Jesus said to him, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”


Does Muafrika2 purport to assure us that he loves EVERYONE as he loves himself at ALL times?
If God was to judge you purely on the basis of your love for your neighbor, if He was to regard your iniquity in falling short of this command, would you make it to heaven?

See it is so difficult to keep the Law that the Law is called the Law of sin and death! This righteousness can't be earned, that's why I laughed at your half-hearted claims that you are RIGHTEOUS, that looking at you one would see God...I'm certain you don't even believe it yourselves, you said it merely to save face


TO BE CONTINUED...
Religion / Re: Tithes And Offerings by vooks: 12:00pm On Mar 22, 2016
Muafrika2:


Agreed.

Am not really a tither but I don't mind giving, even tithing. But I stop as soon as whoever am giving to turns it into something that I don't have a choice in. Or they start making comments like "your doors will be opened, just keep doing this undecided " I mean I wasn't trying to do that

I been on both sides, I started as a non tither, went into tithing for years, nowadays I just give as the Lord leads me with no obligation whatsoever. What I've stopped doing is being a militant anti-tither. Tithing is a mere Christian tradition no different from Sunday fellowship. There are some practical benefits to be had in both, but it is patently wrong pushing either as a requirement, Law,command. The command is to support ministry and fellowship...the details are left to our innovation

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Religion / Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by vooks: 11:41am On Mar 22, 2016
superior1:
Refilling, filling, expanding filling.....whatever lexical semantics you like to play.... I know this as a matter of truth and experience, whenever you minister under the anointing, you need to fall back to get recharge both physically and spiritually.
Bro,
Welcome back. Anas09 and all of us missed you BIG
Religion / Re: Chris And Anita Oyakhilome: The Truth You Never Knew by vooks: 11:18am On Mar 22, 2016
Candour:


grin grin

My friend Gombs.....desperately applying the dumb stance to avoid being a little bit honest huh? wink

Paxonel's question is How do you know pastor Anita wasn't abused?

Were you living with them as an adopted son? Or maiguard?

Excellent question. Why would Gombs gossip count and not any other, including Anita's own account?
This is CEC hypocrisy; they dismiss all unflattering news as gossip and rumors while peddling their unsubstantiated versions as the gospel truth.


Joagbaje:

If someone walks out of your life you simply move on and maintain focus. If not that will be satin tool for every minister.
See Joagbaje says she decided to leave him and he got up, dusted himself and went on to translate ROR into more languages than the bible?
Obviously in his mind, Oyaks as a 'man of God' can never 'go against' God by leaving his wife, it can ONLY be the other way.

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