chukwudi44:

Sory to disapoint you the RCC has existed even long before constantine,Great defenders of the faith like St Irenaus of lyons,Ignatius of Antioch,e.t.c lived lng before he reig of constantine.

Celibacy was introduced in the fourth century before then Priests were married
You hypocrits should first remove the log from your eyes before you see the perceived scratch in the RCC,especially the penteco$tal$ who worship money.

All you preach in your churches are tithes,tithes !!! haba ,money na God

Hmmm, there is no disappointment in wat is on ground. For the truth must be outspoken even to everyone. Just to clear your curiosity I'm neither for RCC nor Pentecostal, but you ask where do i belong? I belong to the Truth, For I'm just a Christian just like brother Paul, Peter, Andrew, and many other disciple of Christ were while they were living on Earth. For they neither belong to any Religious organization you have today.
Just wondering about what you posted as if you don't know your Scripture nor read History on Your foundation. The ordering of POPE, PAPACY, REVEREND and such are like stated from the "DAY OF CONSTANTINE"{1700years} Before the reign of constantine, Christian were meeting inside cave which look more like a hole some like a house underground, Before Constantine  reign,the roman empire kings always give Christian to there beast, even in there Stadium. But NOTHING like CATHOLICISM EXISTED . May I also tell you some of the sect [/b]that existed then?
1.[b] The ARYANS. They developed largely in northern Africa and extended to the part of the world
2.Stylite
3. Monks living on colons
4.Holy-Fools traveling around village and talking about Christian in a negative ways and the that does not conform to the gospel.
     I have more to say on that but lets live that for now.

  Now let me skip somethings to save your breath a little, In the roman's temple built by their Emperor were functioning as a court made for there gods e.g goddess of love, Sun god.  Infact there is no different between Politics and Religion in there temple.  But any one that refuse to served in there temple dedicated to sacrifices of animals was put to DEATH on there Stadium. The True Christianity was a Treat to Roman Empire and there Religion. MAY I SAY THIS CHRISTIANITY HAS NEVER BEEN A RELIGION AND WILL NEVER BE THOUGH CONSTANTINE TRIED BUT HE ONLY CAPITALIZE ON THE WEAK SHEEP AND TURNED THEM TO RELIGIOUS OF HIS EMPEROR.
   still more to come

Abuzola, I'm looking for a day that i will really expose your religion to lime light. That day will surely come, For neither muslim nor catholic nor celestial nor mormor nor gray message nor cheribum and seraphim, worship the True God, but all together are in the same trend. Infact all these religion mentions above are in the same family though they may not agree but they all serve the same gods with different name and different way of worship, . I'm afraid, that they are all deceived.

Hmmm.!! What more can i say? Vatican is equal to paganism plus christianity, there you get catholitism. There is more damage that this there doctrine of demon has done to christianity, they have truely try to turn everything upside down[starting from the day of there father called CONSTANTE NOPLE] . What of there nonesense Films of Angel and Demon, da vinci code and the rest of it by Tom Hanks are they not all deceptions? Well, but in The BEGINING IT WAS NOT SO, FOR SATAN AND HIS AGENTS HERE ON EARTH SEEK TO DESTROY GOD'S WORD AND THEY WILL NEVER SURVIVE, This to show you that christian is genuie and True, for the enemy is not after false, demonic and man's religion for they are under his attack already but not Christianity. For Christianity is not a religion neither worshipping of Sun gods, but its the TRUE LIGHT THAT ENEMY WANT TO PUT OUT BUT his GOALS CAN NEVER BE ACHIEVE.

What a great deception!!!, I've looked at many of your Post and Find out that you are greatly deceived and total indoctrinated with the doctrine of DEMONS.

Who taught you all these? For these doesn't come from above rather, Its EARTHLY, SENSUAL AND DEMONIC..

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them''. { Rom 1:18-32}

You are Greatly deceived and indoctrinated. Where did you get all of these your craps from?? Who knows if not from the depth of satanism. May God deliver you!!!!!!!!!!. MAY GOD SAVE YOU

Hmmm.!! What an error!! Everything you posted here mr comingo, where are they from? I perceived is from your gray message, 'If our gospel be hidden, it is hidden from those who gods of this world has blindfolded'' All your messages are just mystic and lies. May your eye be open to see the true light which is shine now!

Wow!! Such an interesting things to read through all the comments above. But i will love to ask everyone a question, when Jesus was leaving the Earth what did He committed to our hand? The Bible or The Holy Spirit? You see, the problem is not whether A is right or B is wrong but the problem lies in our dogmats and doctrines. Where is the place of Holy Spirit? Let us be frank, check all through what you have posted here, is the Holy Spirit that initiated it or because you read in the Bible? You may make doctrine out of the Holy scripture without the Holy Spirit leading you. So, the problem remain unsolve without Him. Am advice i will love to give to everyone is not to criticize one Pastor or Other, but to seek the Place of Holy Spirit in doing things(not dogmats and doctrines of men). God still speak today, but how many are hearing?

@lukas, i also had the same problem with my nokia 6280(s40) until i change my download setting to manual from web setting.

For s40, go to your web browser setting(not configuration o) and under it you will see download setting, click on it and change it from automatic to manual. Anything you receive, you will be first ask where to save it.
I hope that help.

I've used darackrious but e no gree hacked am the way i like, i can't install some application. Any help?

I beg make una help me o! My nokia 3250 no gree make i hack am. Even e dey use hello0x to play, it wont just allow it na applying patches e go dey till eternity. Wetin i feel do o?.

Thanks for that but nonetheless that link DOESN'T answer my question rather it CREATED more room for more question. I will only ask the rest of the question when the Formal is answer properly. Looking forward to your answer

Hey, What a deception, My soul come not into their assembly lest you believe in a lie, I will live you to what you believe. Let the end speaks.

I feel like contributing something here but i'm afraid to digress this forum into another face to wilt i withdraw from. But i just have a question for everyone. My question is this, WHY HAS IT BEEN SO HARD FOR THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL TO BELIEVE IN THE GOSPEL? IS IT BECAUSE OF THE GOD WE PRESENTED TO THEM IN TRINITY WHICH DOESN'T HAVE BIBLICAL FOUNDATION OR WHAT? OR IS IT BECAUSE OF DEUTERONOMY(6v4) THAT SAYS '"HEAR, O ISRAEL: THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD'' IF THESE WERE NOT THE REASON WHY THEN? PLEASE I NEED AN ANSWER TO THESE QUESTION.

You are talking about the life span of man uh? How many life span has technology improved? Have any one ever lived beyond those that lived before? Do you remember Methuselah of 969yrs? How many people even just one has ever lived by the reason of technology and medicine you mentioned to that age? You talked about medicine and all that have to do with man health, haven't you read from the scripture some things of such? I've live my life up till now without the help of medicine. Do you really know what is called divine healing which is above all medicine? How many has technology resurrected from the dead which i have a life story on? Just tell me how technology has improved our life span? Infact it destroyed more than it helps!!!
Now to the nature that has ever existed till now. How many things has the nature destroy if not what you called modernization and technology? Where do those that developed all you mention derived their materials from? Do they built what they build in isolation? Can't you see the futility of Man without God?

Dear bindex,
I want appreciate you for that. Infact, thanks alot for opening my eyes to that which you've mention.
With sincerity of heart did i accept all that you've said. BUT I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU IN WHICH ALSO I WANT YOU TO ANSWER.
WHO ARE THOSE WHO DEVELOPED ALL THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED? THE CARS, THE AIRPLANE, THE TECHNOLOGY AND THINGS OF LIKE, THE UNIVERSE AND HER PLANET? IS IT A PAGAN? OR A SERVANT OF ALLAH? OR ARE THEY CHILDREN OF GOD CALLED CHRISTIAN? AND BY WHAT WISDOM WERE THEY DISCOVERED? THE EARTHY OR HEAVENLY? BY ALLAH(SUN GOD) WISDOM OR BY THE POWER OF HIM(JEHOVAH GOD) WHO CREATED THE UNIVERSE?
Please answer in sincerity if you know.

Now to what i have in my heart to share with everyone. One of the thing the Lord has taught me is that "YOU DON'T TEACH PEOPLE WHAT YOU HAVE NOT EXPERIENCE NEITHER CAN YOU GIVE THEM WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE. To some of us this is the truth, what we post and what we argue on are something we have never experience neither do we have it in our custody. And our problem is that WE HAVE NEVER BEEN TAUGHT BY THE LORD NOR HAVE WE LEARN OF HIM NEITHER HAVE WE CREATED ROOM FOR HIM TO TEACH US HIS WORDS. All we ever do is to put our head knowledge into His words thinking we will derived anything from them but nay we cannot. And i say unto everyone of us, GOD'S WORDS CAN NEVER BE UNDERSTOOD BY YOUR OWN ABILITY OR INTERPRETATION. THE TRUTH IS A PERSON AND YOU MUST APPROACH HIM BY HIS OWN METHOD NOT BY YOUR OWN NOR BY WORLDLY METHOD. No amount of books your read, the school you go(went) to including your theological school, the technology and science you study or whatever you acquired can NEVER cause you to understand an iota of a verse in the scripture. Infact, your head will just swell up with earthly knowledge without the life of God. I say unto everyone of you that God's words are not to meant to be debate on neither is it for arguement the more you debate and argue on it the more confusion and darkness it brings.
It is time to learn OF CHRIST, IT IS TIME TO RETURN TO THE PLACE OF HEARING GOD AND FOLLOWING HIM. Its time to stop debating on God's words which amount to nothing but knowledge without life. It is time to be more desirous of His presence. The truth of His word can only be made manifest to you when you desire Him more than discussing or arguing about His word. My admonition is that we should seek the Lord concerning this matter, He is willing to teach us His words. And one more thing, i feel like saying this, ''Yea, darkness even gross darkness is already here upon the world and your escape is not in arguement or debating on His world rather is in His presence'' I say unto you that if all you ever want to do is debate and argue, till this darkness invade and swift you off your foot you will not know.''
Its time for all of us to go back to the place of HEARING GOD, FOR THERE LIETH OUR STRENGTH. May the Lord be gracious to us and may He keep us from this gross darkness. Yea, may His love carry us away into His presence so that we will not be hook by this darkness. Lord Jesus may You do this for us, to the glory of Your name. Amen

EXCUSE ME, Let me open some scriptures and after that say what is in my heart. These all talk about soul Gen 2v7, 12v5,13, 17v14,19v20,27v4,19,25,31. 34v3,8. 35v18, Exodus 12v4,15,19. 30v12,15,16. 31v14, Lev 4v2, 5v1,15. 16v28, Deu.6v5 13v3, Lets jump. Job 10v1, 30v16(Note: POURED), 33v14-30. Psalm 19v7, 31v9,49v8(to mention few) Isaiah 10v18,53v12(what did HE poured on the cross?) micah6v7 (note also how soul was used there), Matthew10v38(note He mention body and also soul as a separate things) matthew11v29,16v26, 22v37, Mark 8v36,37. , Luke21v9, 1cor.15v45(note living soul and quicken spirit. Two different things) 1thes.5v23(note 3 things mention and they are different) hebrew4V12, 10v39 1peter 1v9(salvation of soul) 3John1v2. Rev.6v9,16v3 20v4.
These are just few verses that talk about the soul, the body and the spirit as as different entity but in the same body. IF I'M TO ASK, WHAT DID JESUS POURED OUT ON THE CROSS? Is it his body or Blood(which equal to his Soul) read isaiah53v12 again.

Hmmm. Just wondering what you are all driving at concerning this matter? Some the enemy has succeeded in deceiving them the existence of him, so also has he deceived some concerning very matter which has to do with their eternal life. Have you not know or has it not been told you that men of deeper searching and knowledge are not always wise neither has God chosen the educated one to be taught in His ways. Infact, the foolish of the world has He choosing to confound the wise. For by the world wisdom the world doesn't know God and it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believed. For the Jews required a sign and the Greek(the unbelievers(though they may be christian having their bible) and pagans or the Gentiles world) seek after wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, unto the jews a stumblingblock and to the gentile(including LUKEWARM christians and pagan) foolishness. But unto them which are CALLED both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
HOW LONG SHALL YOU DEBATE ON GOD'S WORDS. DO YOU THINK BY YOUR DEBATE WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING WILL BE GRANTED NAY BUT MORE CONFUSION AND DARKNESS!!
I'M JUST WONDERING IF ANY OF YOU HAS EVER LAY DOWN HIS OWN WISDOM TO OBTAIN CHRIST OWN. YEA, YOU SEARCH THE SCRIPTURE THINKING IN THEM UNDERSTANDING WILL BE GRANTED AND LIFE NAY FAR BE IT FROM IT, THE PLACE OF HOLY SPIRIT AS A TEACHER TO TEACH YOU HAVE YOU NEGLECTED. For i'm yet to be convince that most of the things posted here are from HOLY SPIRIT, NOT SO BUT THEY ARE FROM THE SOULISH LIFE AND THESE WISDOM YOU POSTED ARE NOT FROM ABOVE BUT IT IS EARTHLY, SENSUAL(SOULISH) AND DEVILISH.''' All I see is that devil has so deceived YOUTH INFACT AGED AND LEARNER THE EXISTENCE OF THEIR SOUL, HAS HE HAS ALSO CHEATED THEM OF THE EXISTENCE OF THEIR SPIRITMAN.
THE ANTIDOTE OF KNOWING IF YOUR SOUL EXIST OR NOT IS TO SEEK THE LORD HIMSELF IF YOU ARE TRUELY HIS OWN, FOR MANY GOATS AND COWS THAT CLAIMED TO BE GOD'S OWN ARE NOT, THE LORD DETEST THEIR STRENGTH BUT IF YOU ARE A SHEEP IN HIS PASTURE I CAN GUARANTEE YOU 100% THAT HE WILL TEACH YOU THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS.

I can't help but laugh, Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!, Its time to laugh, Haleluia,

And dear friend, pastor AIO. If there be any error you see in my post and like to correct i'm open to be corrected even rebuke if what you say to me are sure truth. Thanks in advance.

Thanks for that correction, i really appreciate it. If that should be i mistake before Whom i Serve i withdraw it but if it remain its absolutely words of truth may His name be praise forever. "Yea, i withdraw the word greek from my post absolutely that was a Mistake it should have been in Hebrew words". But to the rest Let God be Judge of it.

Having explain that, the battle line today is the SOUL OF MAN. For this is where the anointing reside. The one deposited in your spiritman has to be transfer to your soul which happened to be your engine room of processing things and if your character, emotion, will, desire and mind are not dealt with there will be a problem. The greatest things man has called to overcome is HIS SOUL. And the greatest destruction one can do is to sell this out to the enemy and let him manipulate it for his own glory. The glory of God in man is hidden in His Soul, the attribute and characteristic of who GOD IS CAN ONLY BE SEEN IN THE REGENERATED SOUL - A LIVING SOUL. Thats why to be born again is not enough for that only touches and quicken his Spiritman but doesn't touch his soul for after been born again one may still find himself battling against carnality in him, such as lust, pride and aforemention in Galatians 5v 17-21 afterward you may find yourself in verse 22-25 which you have fought your way through of making your soul a living one which God can take over and express Himself.
I love to stop here. May God help us.

Thank you for creating such a thread like this. Well,  i will like to give a little explanation to the question you raised. In order to understand wat the soul means there are some verses of the scripture i will like us to look at. Lets start from begining, Gen 1v26-27 "And God said, Let us MAKE man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and murd the fowl of the air, and over the battle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God CREATED man in his own image, in the image of God CREATED him; make and female CREATED he them'" chapter 2v7 And the Lord God FORMED man out of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostril the breath of life; and man became a living Soul,
   Lets pick some highlighted words out from those verses
1.MADE
2.CREATED
3.FORMED
  Lets now follow how they are used, the first expression of Make was a spoken word but the reality of it is CREATED. So, wat does it mean to Create? According to the hebrew words(BARA) used is called TO BRING TO A SPIRITUAL EXISTENCE(OR REALITY),  So, wat God was creating here is a spiritual being(since God Himself is a SPIRIT BEING) . We move no to FORMED, here we see wat was use which was a dust or clay. Now, to formed simply means to make something out of nothing to become a something, this have to do with the body of the Man. Just like a potter formed some pictures of something in his heart though may not be visible or been in existence before, but through the thought or pictures of his heart he Make(BRING) them forth. You will all agree that for something to live, to be visible and substain his life here on earth it has to take the body of this EARTH. True or false?    
  What God is simplying showing is that man as a spiritual being( BEING IN THE LIKENESS OF GOD) (from the Word CREATED) needs a house which is compatible with earth He made for him to substain and live in it(JUST LIKE GOD WILL NEED THE EARTHLY BODY OF MAN TO COMMUNICATE MAN AND WITHOUT IT GOD CANNOT TRUELY EXPRESS HIMSELF TO US). Therefore, what He has made as Spirit has to be breathed into the clay He has formed(which happened to be house that Spirit can live in) which now equal to MADE. Here the meeting of The Clay and Spirit is called the SOUL and not JUST a Soul but a LIVING ONE.(verse 7 of Gen2) THIS WERE SO BEFORE THE FALL. We can say Adam was a man filled with life of God both in Spirit, Soul and body but after the fall man became DEAD IN THE SPIRIT AND SOUL BUT THE LIFE OF BODY WAS RETAINED TILL HE FULFILLED HIS LIFE TIME HERE ON EARTH(THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE PHYSICAL DEATH).
  Now to your question about the SOUL: THE SOUL IS THE REAL YOU WHICH IS YOUR CHARACTER, MIND, INTELLECTUAL, EMOTION, WILL, DESIRE AND THE REALM OF YOUR THINKING. I hope you grab that.
 Since the fall of Mankind, those realm mention above has been occupied by the Devil and thats why you see that after You give your life to Christ there is this battle within You, which includes your thought life, your emotional life where anger, hatred, malice, murderer, lust reside. Your Desire for food, money, clothes, cars, houses and many more alike. Your will to do things in your own way, the will to forgive and not to, the will to kill or not, the will to commit fornication or not, even your will against God's will. These all manifest in your soul whereas your body is just a carrier of such things your SOUL WILL.

And to the owner of this thread that said '"JESUS LIED'' I Say to you IT WOULD HAD BEEN BETTER FOR YOU NOT TO CREATE THIS THREAD NOR SPOKE SUCH A WORD OUT, FOR IN YOUR WORD WHICH YOU HAVE SPOKEN HAVE YOU CONDEMNED YOURSELF TO DESTRUCTION. May the Lord be gracious to you and have mercy on you lest this THICK DARKNESS and JUDGEMENT I SAW HOVERING UPON YOU COME TO YOU QUICKLY AND SWIFT AS DESTRUCTION, OH YOU NAIRALAND PEOPLE AS FROM TODAY THAT GOD SHALL BEGIN A WONDER BUT MY ADMONITION TO YOU ALL IS THAT YOU SHOULD MIND WHAT YOU SAY FROM HENCEFORT PARTICULAR TO THINGS OF GOD AND HIS PERSONALITY. ITS HARD FOR YOU TO KICK AGAINST THE PRICK!!! Take to warning'! Also, to the owner of this thread i see the Lord calling you to thorough and sincere repentance and if possible to the deleting of this thread. YOU ARE WARNED!!!

Hmmm, Just wondering where to start from but I trust the Lord to help me in this regard. Before i proceed, may i make a clear note here "CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A RELIGION" WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RELIGION THEY ARE MUSLIM, TRADITIONAL WHICH INCLUDES SANGO,OGUN AND OTHER gods Like that. I will really like to expose you to your foundation mr Abuzola but i will not start today, hoping by God's grace tomorrow i wil. Don't forget, You worship "'THE SUN GOD'" AND THEREFORE WHETHER THE BIBLE IS FAULTY OR HAS LITTLE ERROR THEY ARE ALL IN YOUR EYES BUT TALK OF THE BOOK THAT HAVE EVER BEEN CORRECT AND ACCURATE IT IS CALLED '! THE BIBLE'! One more thing, its not a strange thing that you are doing but just the fulfillment of that prophecy that said "his hand meaning Ishmael shall be against his brother'. Those that are greater than you has done the same but later saw the Light. So, mr its high time someone put an end to this. Starting tomorrow, the truth of your Quran will i bring it to lime light and i wouldn't spare you but my prayer is that you would not be harden lest YOUR DESTRUCTION COME QUICKLY!!!

I feel like posting some things in this forum and i wouldn't mind if you are challenge by it or probably you get hurt, for truth must be spoken. Well, we all know how to type and post well. We have the capacity of locating where error was or is. We even see beyond our reasonable mind what other cannot see. Infact, we are very judgemental in our words and ways. Not only that, we are all full of strength and most important we are sure of ourselves when it comes to debating issues even life issues. Above all, this show to us that there is a driving force behind everything we do.
   But our problem is this "WE HAVE NOT BEEN DEALT WITH NEITHER HAVE WE KNOW THE WAY TO THE CROSS. ALL WE GATHER ALONG THE WAY ARE JUST HEAD KNOWLEDGE WITHOUT LIFE IN IT.  Yea, we may complain and talk about things that are wrong with todays CHRISTIANITY but we are not very conversant at providing the SOLUTION to them.   
  DON'T FORGET, THE CORRUPTION YOU SEE OUTSIDE AND CONDEM OR SPOKE AGAINST ARE ALSO INSIDE OF YOU WAITING FOR THE SAVIOUR TO JUDGE.
   Having gone through the christian's forum in this site, what i've always been seeing has been the PROBLEM of todays church but never have i see a SOLUTION. To be candid, what Youth can see are the problem but it take an AGED man( A man that have followed God and has been dealt with in all his ways) to see the SOLUTION. Youth are full of strength but its of no use when they are not dealt it.
  If i may ask, how many of You here has been dealt with by the Lord forget about the bible here and be realistic?. Has the Lord shown you the Corruption inside of you at anytime?. How many of His rod have you bear in the process of disobeying Him? Do you at all hear His voice? Or Has He ever spoken to you personally? Do you have experiential knowledge of Whom Christ is- i mean knowing Him as the Lord over you not as saviour? To what extense have you dealt with your Adamic nature? How many time have you cried to the Lord for the CORRUPTION INSIDE OF YOU?
   Let me stop there, don't forget YOUR STRENGTH AND KNOWLEDGE IS OF NO USE IF ALL AFOREMENTION ARE NOT THERE IN YOUR LIFE. So, brothers and sisters why don't we deal with our lives first before considering other. REMEMBER THIS '' CHRIST WILL NEVER COMPROMISE HIS CHURCH FOR ANYTHING'' NOT EVEN FOR YOU AS A CHRISTIAN. YEA, SHE MAY APPEAR AS HARLOT OR UNHOLY BUT DON'T FORGET THAT THAT IS WHAT HE DIED FOR. IN HIS OWN EYES HIS BRIDE IS HOLY BUT HOW DO YOU SEE HER?, GOD'S WORD ARE NOT MEANT TO BE DEBATE ON OR ARGUE ABOUT, NO, HE DOESN'T MAKE YOU A JUDGE OF HIS WORD. Let HIM ALONE JUDGE. To this end, let everyone of us as Youth be wise. "'THE STRENGTH OF AN HORSE IS AN ABOMINATION UNTO THE LORD"'

So, the truth of the matter here is that for a nation nor to do all that SEA HATH spoken that means that nation is a harlotry nation, or what will you have call that when you come to a nation without VIRGIN in it? What Christ was showing to the woman was her foundations where she came from. An harlot is equal to a dog but about Zidon its goes beyond that. And mind you, to have the strength of SEA means that they worshiped water spirit and through that the obtain their strength. But in exchange for that strength is what the SEA SPOKE OUT. Jesus was not only calling her dog but the generation of those that came from the same region were DOGS. Jezebel was a Dog not only that a witchcrafting person.(revelation 2v20) and go and account of the scripture about the Zidonians, their forefather worshiped "BAAL'' AND THEIR STRENGTH COMES FROM THE SEA. They seduce, usurp Authority, commit Idolatry and fornication, not only that they are posses by the Sea water that gave them strength or Whom they worship. And i say to you, its not Meant for them to eat of the children's (children of God) bread. Thats why the Woman replied and said Yes Lord, I AM A DOG FROM MY FOUNDATION, I BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU SAID ABOUT ME AND THE NATION I CAME FROM, THEY ARE ALL TRUE. But let me eat of the crumb that fell from Children table.
Having gone all this far to explain what Jesus meant by this simple statement, i believe if we all can go back to our scripture and study it prayerfully and open to the Lord to teach us then shall we be taught.

Dear friends,
  I will like to us to look at this scripture from the right perspective and follow what Jesus meant while speaking to this woman from zidon. Mark 7v24 "And from thence(after speaking with people and rebuked the pharisees) he arose, and went into borders of Tyre and sidon, and entered into an house and would have no man know it:but he could not be hid." For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet: The woman was a greek, a syrophenician by nation; and she  besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter. But Jesus said to her, let the CHILDREN FIRST BE FILLED: FOR IT IS NOT MEET TO TAKE THE CHILDREN'S BREAD, AND TO CAST IT UNTO THE DOGS. And she answered and said unto him, YES, LORD: YET THE DOGS UNDER THE TABLE EAT OF THE CHILDREN'S CRUMBS." Lets read from matthew 15v21 Then Jesus went thence and departed into the coast(or border) of Tyre and Sidon. And behold a woman of canaan came out of the same boasts(of tyre and sidon) and arid unto him, saying have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David;for my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil, "
  You can read the rest of the story. Now lets look at it from the right perspective and why Jesus spoke to her is such manner. Isaiah 23 is an interesting about this woman and also the town she abode. From verse 1 says The burden of Tyre,  Verse 2. Be still, ye inhabitants of the isle; thou whom the merchants of Zidon, that pass over the SEA, have replenished. 3. And by great WATERS THE SEED of Sihor, the harvest of the RIVER, is her revenue; and she is a MART of Nations. 4. Be thou ashamed, O Zidon: for the "SEA" hath spoken, even the "strength" of the "SEA", saying, I(SEA) "travail" not, nor bring forth "Children", neither do i nourish up "YOUNG MEN", nor bring up "VIRGIN". Verse 15b,  After the end of seventy years shall Tyre sing as an HARLOT,  Please read the rest of the verses.
  Now, back to what Jesus meant, in the first place  Tyre and Sidon(Zidon) are nation that derived their power and wealth from the Strength of Sea which mean that everything about them have to do with 'Waters' but not just an ordinary SEA BUT A SPIRITUAL BEING THAT DWELT IN THE SEA OF TYRE AND SIDON this is while the verse 4 of Isaiah said "the SEA HATH SPOKEN'' and the characteristic of the SEA IS that it doesn't TRAVAIL NEITHER BRING FORTH CHILDREN NEITHER NOURISH UP YOUNG MEN NOR BRING UP VIRGINS. I hope you will understan what all these means. One more thing, Jezebel in the book of King was a daughter of Ethbaal king of Zidonians(1king 16v31-34). I commend that scripture to you to read and understand.

Hmmm,  What a thread indeed!! Well, just felt i should drop something here. First of all i wanna appreciate the owner of this thread for his desire and passion for something like this and also to everyone that have contributed one way or the other. Having read all that was posted, i will just like to make it plain for whosoever have ear to hear and understand what the Lord is saying this hour, particularly this hour of the night when tick and gross darkness in coming upon the earth and people in it. If i were to be in the position of what each one of you has posted here, i will have take note of some important things that of eternal values. Let me list it out in summary, 1. The restoration of the True and sincere Love among christian. 2. Studying to show yourself approve as a workman that need not to be afraid of anything. 3. Judging what you hear by the word of God (scripture). And to cap it all HEARING GOD! though that was not included but thats the basis for all i aforementioned. It is high time christian begin to seek out the ancient Truth that was once deliver to the saint. I may not talk more on this but i believe that what kunle has written should propel you and i to some questions within ourselves rather than naming anything either wrong or heresy. Infact, it should cause you as a person to seek the Lord concerning it. The problem has always been that christian if not dealt with by the Lord are very quick in judging or naming things (even if it's the next move of God) heresy and demonic. So, my dear fellow nigerian, its time to seek the Lord and know Him experientially and personally not by just what you are taught by your pastor or 'GOS' but by what He(the Lord) has taught you in your closet while you are there alone with Him waiting, praying, seeking and listen to what He has to say to you and suprising things is that such time never exist if they are, they are quickly turned into activities. And i think the way to glory is by seeking, waiting, studying, praying and listen to what God has to say you in your closet.
May the Lord help us.