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Tell me one yoruba person in position of power or that is successful at his chosen career that is not in the bad records of the Ibos? Even their kings and elder statesmen are not exempted.....

She's having a running battles overtime with the Ibos obviously not because she's a tribal bigot but simply because she's a yourba woman doing well for herself and that alone is a threat to the agenda of your people against the Yorubas in Yoruba land and it is also against the narratives that Odumegwu Okuku sold to your fathers and as amplified and popularised among your generations by Nnamdi Kanu..

Forumobserver12:
Do you know the description of her job as a public office holder?

She has not done igbos any favour by doing her job, if at all she has ever did..

Abike Dabiri has been having a running battles with average Igboman on the street simply because she's an ethnic Bigot, this is not the first time her conducts has exposed her for whom she is, I won't be surprised to see her in the news soon for Bigotry cos is in her DNA, she can't help herself.

That woman is a disgrace to womanhood and the office she holds..

I can't remember how many times Abike Dabiri Erewa had stood up for Nigerians who are legally or illegally arrested in diaspora, especially Igbos with drug cases. unfortunately she's been a regular target for slurs and humiliations from the same people she has been fighting for.

Hemanwel:
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President Bola Ahmed Tinubu, The President and the Commander in Chief of Armed Forces, Federal Republic of Nigeria

Personal brand modelling and marketing stunt.... Not bad anyways.

latiephwald:
Such is life of many, who mock modesty in thier own book and choose harlot lifestyle.
When they are satisfied with freaky b*tch life style they engaged intentionally, they will repent after gaining fame and money they needed and tell public not mock them but encourage their new lifestyle.
How I wish Sharia Law can be implemented in Nigeria. To be candid, there will be peace and no one will do bad intentionally cuz they know that the result will be either public disgrace or lashes.
Very son now, we go hear she don go open church. Na so one do after she don sell her body to Entertainment industry.

Sharia law is not what you think it is....

Prostitution is allowed in Islam under the doctrine of Mu'tah....
It is an open market system where men can have a non- committal s3xual arrangement with a s³x worker in exchange for money of food.

Love800:
So giving you a direct ownership, what does it mean?
Sorry am asking alot of questions.

Simply put.... Buying shares from a company makes you a joint owner of that company. I.e. you are shareholder in that particular company to the fraction of the share you bought.

Your money form part of funds used by the company in running the day to day activities of the company and you'll be paid dividends at a point in time as the proceeds of your investment.

Love800:
You know the difference between shares and mutual funds please?

Shares give you direct ownership in a single company while Mutual Funds pool your money with other investors to buy a basket of many stocks or bonds

KennethMichael1:
Fellow Nairalanders, I need your advice on this. Life has really been tough lately. I'm not doing well. It all started with a failed relationship that was already in the marriage stage. It brought me down. I had to sell several properties to protect myself so I wouldn't be broken, but still, for some years now, I couldn't bounce back. I wanted to move back to my village, but with the way things are happening in my family, mostly my male siblings, I don't feel comfortable living closer to my family. I'm thinking about selling the house I'm building in my village, which is also the only thing I have left, so I can use part of the money to start a smaller foundation somewhere else, which I can finish in time, and use the remaining funds to pay my rent and start up a small business.... Lately, I've been thinking about dying, which I know is not a good idea for me because I have a child whom I love so much... Please people with life experience at 40s please share me advice base on your experiences.

If you will believe me, your life is still better than some of the people you are soliciting ideas from despite your troubles and visititudes ....

Just hold yourself together and face your challenges. Do something that will be fetching you daily income no matter how small if you can still afford to start with the little resources within your reach.

Think about your survival only for now.

Dangote Flour Mills was outrightly sold off in 2019 and all the shareholders were paid off, the company was subsequently delisted from NGX platform and was renamed Crown Flour Mills in 2019......

This news and many other of such flying around several internet platforms are hoax and content creators are reaping the fruits of public ignorance..


Summary: There's nothing like Dangote Flour Mills public shareholder since 2019.

What is the casualty on the other side?

Simply because the man can see through their emotional blackmail..... Yoruba demon for a reason.

Sonnobax15:

Yeah I noticed that oga Seun.

But bros,when will you start giving us small small peanuts na

Even opera mini has started giving points that can be converted to dollars. . Monetize Nairaland and see how it'll spring up within a twinkle of an eye

He lost that opportunity in 2014.

Validated:
It is really a BIG SHAME that of all the professors, doctor,etc of Yoruba ethnic group, it is an OLODO UPRISING of an individual that was selected t represent them

Isn't that in a thousand and one times better than having characters like Nnamdi Kanu or Peter Obi at the fore front of a race of people?

He must be a man from the East... Absolutely delusional.... !!!!

nairalanda1:
So when people die of gunshot wounds in Nigeria, that means Nigerians are also barbarians.

Don't use a criminal event to judge a country. Evil people dey everywhere.

Are you defending people who killed Lucky Dube simply because they thought he was a Nigerian... ?

South Africans are lazy criminals.... Period!

Pacesetter123:
No, you are not getting me at all.
Every discussion has or should have originating or focal point(Context).
Check the first sentence of my message you quoted.I made specifically reference to the last paragraph of someone's message I quoted.
His last paragraph is the focal and the originating point of my discussion in the message you quoted.
My message was a response to a particular comment and not a direct expression of what a surname or the purpose of surname is as you are trying to adduced in your comment.
So, for you to get a clearer understanding or the context of where my comment was coming from,go back to what the last paragraph of the comment I quoted says.

I'm sorry for quoting you out of context... I have traced the trail of your conversations as you advised and your submission aligns with mine. I also read other post of yours and it resonates. More wisdom brother.

Pacesetter123:
I disagree expecially with your last paragraph.The way we identify people in Nigeria makes it difficult for your own name to carry more PROMINENCE than your surname as you said which would have made you want your child to take your name as surname.
In Nigeria here,the surname carries more prominence than the first name.Example abound.
For instance, you can't tell me that;

(1) "Bola" is more prominent than "Tinubu"
(2) "Godswill" is more prominent than "Akpabio"
(3) "Femi" is more prominent than "Otedola"
(4) "David" is more prominent than "Adeleke"
(5) "David" is more prominent than "Umahi"
(6) "Aliko" is more prominent than "Dangote"
(7) "Peter" is more prominent than "Obi"

So, you can see people are popular by their surnames and not their own names, hence, the need for their children to be identified by those popular surnames and not the other way round as you said.

Your understanding of what makes a surname need some reviews and updates.

That a surname is popular and strong or influential shouldn't be the reason for adopting a surname.

Name generally serves dual purposes...
1. To identify you personally while you are alive.
2. To link your children to your branch from the general family root after you might have gone.

If you pick a surname because it is strong and your children adopt same as you and your grad children till infinity.... A time would come when everyone that knows would be no more and your generations after you would lost their root because your name wasn't properly preserved in your family line.

Basically, your name as surname for your grandchildren preserves your name and establish your own branch in your family tree.

What tells you that your name cannot be greater than the so called great surnames through your own seeds?

That's my humble submission.

3Dimension:
Well if you dig your lineage properly you’d discover that the surname itself was either the firstname or nickname of one of them. Or you think a father would name its child Ajanlekoko… Agbotikuyo.

Don’t be imprisoned by ppl who are long gone.

Imagine some incidental names which are purely co-incidental and circumstantial and generations keep passing them from one to another....
Names like... Ikupeleye , Ikúbolájé, Ikuyajesin, Ekunale, etc....

Anytime one of my lecturers is calling our names from our test scripts, anytime he got a particular name, he will paused and take a deep breath and say .... "Iku ko ni pa eleye wa o" instead of calling the surname correctly. At first it was funny but later it wasn't.....

I think some people needs to revisit their family or generational surname and stop passing it down to the innocent generations.

Jamie248:
You're taking those proverbs completely out of the context of their origins and usages

You're probably below 30 years of age, and your grandfather had western education thus he'd picked his own father's name on enrollment at school...if not you would've seen what we are trying to explain to you first hand and you wouldn't be here arguing this about Yoruba culture regarding 'surnames'

Anyone here who had an illiterate grandfather knows that those men bore their own names alone

You are only humping and dumping on a mention that the genesis is far from your views. You merely and casually caught a viper in the middle..... What do you expect?
But not at this time.

Endeavour to look into my other posts on this topic and pick up wisdom that will help you and your generations after you.....

About my age you mentioned above, come back to my mention the day your last child secured his university admission.

Thanks.

Sheuns:
All you mentioned above points back to my first comment.

In Yoruba tradition, people were identified by being called This child of that. It’s that simple. Even if the father of the child dies early, they still call that child by the referencing his father first then call who’s his guardian.

Oduduwa omo Lamurudu
Okanbi Omo Oduduwa.

Not Okanbi Omo Omo Lamurudu.

The op said it’s wrong for children to bear their father’s name that it isn’t cultural, I proved him wrong that children were called by their own father’s names and not their grandfather.

When the names are now mentioned, the family tree can be traced.

Using one surname isn’t Yoruba, it’s European introduction as explained by someone above.

A child is supposed to bear his own father’s name at least according to Yoruba culture and history.

I can see that our opinions are not far from eachother except for one thing which I haven't mentioned in any of my posts on this topic...

My own sentiments perfectly aligns with @op. To make a complete and perfect branch of a family tree, your children should be identified with your father's names because that is the seal of the living between you and your father, not just you alone but with your other siblings.

Then your own children will now become your own branch of the family tree..... I.e your name will become a valid name in the family.....

Our surname system is not originally same as the Europeans and binding forcefully will makes erroneously assume they are superior to us as they want us to believe.

Yoruba genealogy did not disappear simply because the people didn't use surnames in the European sense.

The genealogy was distributed across oríkì + ìdílé + àgbó-ilé + ancestral land + royal stools + titles + oral history + migration traditions + personal names + possessions.

So, You can never loose your lineage in Yoruba land if you are careful enough to look at your ancestral lineage and traditions before you name your child....

That brings me back to my earlier proverb.... Ilé laawo ka to s'ọmọ l'orukọ.

Sheuns:
Why did the first Alaafin who is a child of Oduduwa not call himself Alaafin Oduduwa?

Why is Oduduwa not called Oduduwa Lamurudu?

Surname has no basis in Yoruba culture. It’s your name that matters.

What is Lisabi’s surname?

What is Sango surname?

Also if you say surname is a continuation of a family, why do royal families have different names?

Aren’t they all supposed to be from one man? Why did the children of the first Alaafin not use their father’s name?

Very funny 🤣 questions.....

How did you know that the first Aláàfin is a son of Oduduwa in the first place if had not identified with Odùduwà?

If Odùduwà did not told the people who his father was, how did we know that there's one Lamurudu who is the father of Odùduwà?

In your frantic effort to criticise my points, you eneded up validating my stance with a valid historical references.

The Sango, Ogun, Lísàbí, and many others have their names and life history well captured alongside their ancestral / lineage information, even sometimes with dates.

Well documented!

You only need to seek knowledge.

Thanks 👍

ariesbull:
Nigeria’s Single-Motherhood Pattern: What the 2021 Data Shows — and Why No South-East State Appears in the Top 12

A 2021 data graphic attributed to StatiSense, based on Nigeria’s Multiple Indicator Cluster Survey (MICS), highlights substantial differences among states in the proportion of children aged 0–17 living with their mother alone while their father is still alive. The underlying UNICEF/Nigeria MICS data examines children's living arrangements at state level.

The 12 states with the highest percentages

Rank State Percentage

1 Bayelsa 19.0%
2 Cross River 14.4%
3 Edo 14.3%
4 Ekiti 13.7%
5 Ondo 13.5%
6 Delta 12.8%
7 Osun 11.7%
8 Akwa Ibom 10.5%
9 Oyo 9.9%
10 Kogi 9.7%
11 Rivers 9.4%
12 Ogun 8.5%


The striking feature is the regional concentration: six of the 12 states are in the South-South, five are in the South-West, and one is in the North-Central. No South-East state appears in the top 12.

Why is the South-East absent?

The first point is important: the graphic does not prove that South-Eastern states have no single mothers. It only shows that none of the five South-East states made this particular top-12 ranking.

There are several possible explanations, but they should be treated as hypotheses rather than established causes without additional research.

1. Stronger extended-family involvement

One possible factor is the traditional importance of extended-family structures in many South-Eastern communities. Where a father does not live continuously with the mother and children, grandparents, uncles, aunts and other relatives may provide support or accommodation. Consequently, a child may not necessarily be classified as living with the mother alone.

2. Migration and household arrangements

Economic migration can separate parents and children geographically. The MICS data itself demonstrates that children's living arrangements are affected by parents living elsewhere, rather than simply by whether parents are married or divorced.

3. Marriage and family norms

Differences in marriage patterns, family expectations and social attitudes could also influence the proportion of children living with only their mothers. However, it would be inappropriate to conclude from this table alone that one region has "better" families or that another has more irresponsible fathers.

4. The statistic is narrower than the phrase "single mother" suggests

This is perhaps the most important caveat.

The statistic shown is essentially about children living with their mother alone when the father is alive. That is not identical to measuring all single mothers, unmarried mothers, divorced women, widows or separated women.

For example, a child whose father is alive but lives elsewhere may fall into a particular living-arrangement category, while a child whose father has died represents a different category. UNICEF's MICS tables explicitly distinguish these circumstances.

A particularly interesting regional observation

The data becomes more intriguing when viewed geographically.

South-South:
Bayelsa 19%, Cross River 14.4%, Delta 12.8%, Akwa Ibom 10.5%, Rivers 9.4%

South-West:
Edo 14.3%, Ekiti 13.7%, Ondo 13.5%, Osun 11.7%, Oyo 9.9%, Ogun 8.5%

North-Central:
Kogi 9.7%

South-East:
No state in the top 12.

That concentration raises a legitimate sociological question: what distinguishes family and household structures in the South-East from those in the states appearing at the top of this particular indicator?

But the answer cannot responsibly be reduced to culture alone. Household composition is influenced by migration, employment, marriage patterns, economic circumstances, parental residence and extended-family arrangements, among other factors.

One important warning about interpreting the graphic

The image circulating online should not be interpreted as a ranking of "bad mothers," "irresponsible fathers," or the morality of different regions. It is a child living-arrangement statistic.

Indeed, UNICEF's national MICS results show that children's living arrangements vary considerably by factors such as age, urban/rural residence and household characteristics.

The more interesting story is therefore not simply "which state has the most single mothers?" but why children's living arrangements differ so markedly across Nigeria.

Bottom line: Bayelsa stands out at 19%, considerably above the 12th-ranked Ogun at 8.5%. The absence of all five South-East states from the top 12 is notable, but the available table alone cannot establish why. It provides a strong basis for further investigation—not a definitive verdict on regional family culture.

I observed that the statistics favours our Northern brothers.... But their own reality is different. They have less single mother situation simply because the children are always on the streets with plates in their hands begging... No pressure as such at home.

Different sticks for different folks.

Rapmoney:
This terrible act of children bearing their biological father's name as surname in Nigeria started with Millennials, and it is a very shameful thing culturally. Most of us do not understand the importance or significance of surnames. Surnames are not just names for the sake of it.

A surname is a way or medium of honouring your ancestor. Africans, over the years have been brainwashed by the western culture that our ancestors evil spirits. Due to this, many Africans attach evil to the name 'ancestor'.

Culturally in Africa, surnames are adopted in turns. You adopt your grandfather's name as your surname, and when you give birth, your child adopts your father's name as surname. When your own child gives birth, the child adopts your own name as surname. That is how it goes and that is how lineage are honoured and preserved.[/color]

Millennials and Gen Z Nigerians now give their children their names as surnames without any atom of respect for their fathers, thereby cutting off their fathers from the lineage. If you so much cherish your name, you can give it to one of your child and has Jnr attached to it. People do it. But not cutting off your own father from the lineage by making your kids adopt your own name as their surname. It is bad and alien to the African culture.

Do not be fooled by the white culture which wants you to believe that African ancestors connote evil. To be ancestor na turn by turn. One day, you too go be ancestor.

You adopt your grandfather's name as your surname, and when you give birth, your child adopts your father's name as surname. When your own child gives birth, the child adopts your own name as surname. That is how it goes and that is how lineage are honoured and preserved.[color=#770077]

This is the perfect practice

Sheuns:
I’m bringing it down to Yoruba history. Children were addressed by their own father’s name and not compound names. Even wives don’t drop their father’s names neither do they take the husbands compound names.

It’s Europeans that introduced surname to us.

Yorùbá will always say: Ilé là ńwò ká tó sọ ọmọ l’orúkọ. This means that before giving a newborn a name, one must first look to the family’s ancestral heritage and traditions.

The child is not seen merely as an individual, but as an extension—and a branch—of the family tree. Therefore, the name given to the child is expected to reflect, preserve, and continue the family’s ancestral identity and traditions..

Lastly, this is the second time I am mentioning you because your thoughts about Africans, especially the Yoruba ways of life is flawed and misrepresents is. Again, all Yorubas tribes most times shares different ideologies in handling different cultural beliefs..... No generalisation captures every details.

Nwaikpe:
No, you don’t even know what you are saying.
Africans never had “surnames.” They had clans.

Go and educate yourself. Crying about Europe always will not help you. Europe helped you better than your African culture did.

Your response is unnecessary generalisation and over exergeration and also misleading at the same time.

Yoruba people of precolonial age has a perfect surname system... They will always ask "Omo ta ni ọ" ? (whose son are you? ) Or the same question in another way "who is your father in this land"? (Taani baba re nile yii?)

They are not necessarily asking about your biological father alone in that context but the history of your ancestors and your lineage before your father and the answer is always profound.

To every generalisations, there're some specifics that doesn't fit perfectly into it.

Long time ago I asked my father, what is the story of the man that we all carry his name as our surname and from what generation before you?

My father was very surprised as the question caught him unaware. He said, "sincerely I don't know and it has never occurred to him to ask such question from the generation before him and they are all gone"

I pressed futher by saying; " that means that everyone existed in our lineage after the original carrier of the name has no records in our family or in the history of life and the same thing is likely to happen to you when you are gone" Like you'd never graced the surface of this earth for once.....

That discussion made him to make some adjustments.

@op is absolutely correct and we should all think about it.

Something you ordered for 15k on TEMU and you are expecting a full breed GSD....

Na Gombe Sheppard Dog you go get..

Silentgroper:
A friend traveled and came back , met his ceiling like this with a missing pressing iron and a missing spoilt hot 5 phone ... Dumb thief right ..


His problem is , how does he patch this up and who usually do something like that ..

Wetin you dey find inside the roof? I hope you don see the thing now and you eyes don clear....

E don break, e don break.... there's much to do about nothing.

Nwaikpe:
If someone needs to live in Central Business District in order to know him, then he is a nobody.

Of course, if you aren't living or working within the Abuja city centre then you are ineligible to mention some names from your mouth...
From Orozo to Araa 1 is almost one hour journey.... That's traveling from Lagos to Ibadan.

Nwaikpe:
If you really need to give all these explanations in other to tell us whom those people are, then they are a nobody.

They may be doing well in their fields, but they don’t deserve any limelight out of their sector. Fame is not meant for everyone. Even Aare Adetola Olaniyi Emmanuel-King, the owner of Adron homes is not “popular.” No one knows him that much outside the real estate circle. Then how much more for one Ochacho and some fringe set of people you are mentioning.

Not every wealthy person are arrogant and flamboyant at the time but that doesn't reduce them from who they are. or make them a nobody according to your words.

If Ochacho chooses to seek fame and online relevance today honestly he deserves to be known. If he can achieve all that he has achieved without making noise online or popularity through dirty scandals, bro he has done well for himself and not an empty barrel seeking attention.

Imagine only one appearance online and every attention is right on him....

Before the stunt many people don't know him, but atfter it, you can't ask who's he anymore......... Purpose achieved.

One day AIBEN will show face...