naijafan:

@candylips, i had to pay to get the pdf. maybe because it contained a real breakdown of all the IDEs, and they . . . whatever. I tried uploading it here but max attachment size is 200kb - the file's 38-something. som1 said god loves a cheerful giver, send me your mail address.

also send it to my box, walencr@gmail.com

thanks

well, i still prefer netbeans and although it is slower than eclipse, it far more easier to use. (personal judgement). i am stuck with netbeans for now

>> kengimel
you must have left netbeans for a long time. netbeans has plug in for c++ (cos i also use c++), full J2EE support and nuerous others e.g. mobile, enterprise etc. even sun recomends netbeans for starters in java. above all, it is so easy to use, far nore easier than eclipse

i would go for netbeans anyday anytime, it is richer than eclipse. i wonder why IBM venture into software, they a hardware company and i think they are good at that.

did anybody forget troy, fighting temptations and finding forrester? that is one of my best along with some others

well basically i use java and though i believe benchmarks can be biased, i don't agree that intel pays to get higher results, if they do, then others are doing it too.

>> naijafan - well i plan to use the system for core programming and softawe development. which specific one will you (personal) recoomend?

>>naijafan - brosn no offense intended, i am not for AMD nor intel neither, just want to clarify things and thanks for your advice

naijafan:

@wale_oau

Thanks for the links. My opinion:
- The first one was biased.
- The second one named AMD as 'The No. 2 chipmaker', and ended by saying Intel was releasing processors based on 65nm technology before the end of the year. It also stated that the 'contest' was in AMD's office in california and that Intel was going to get a chance at their own developers forum (you can bet AMD wont be present either).
- The third one stated that Intel laughed over it for some logical reasons, 'let the market decide'. But hmm. The CEO avoided answering all other questions.

Statistics has it that AMD rose from ground zero to being a threat to Intel in just two years. And you can tell, Intel is scared. That was 23rd August anyway. Now, they have the best chip on market; the Core 2 Duo. I must say its a really active competition, and neither stays a winner for too long.

i can see you have made up your mind already

naijafan:

Can you please send a link to that information so that it can be verified?

you can check this out
http://www.amd.com/us-en/0,,3715_13368_13369,00.html?redir=CPSW51

http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/3485556

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/23/amd_intel_dual/

for me i will go for J2ME anytime cos it is a full fledged programming language while flashlite is an evolved hobbyist tool

New:

i'll go with Intel anyday. Of the last 20 years, i've always used intel based systems. I bought an AMD system once and dumped it after about 6 months because it was crap for gaming and froze/crashed all the time (overheating).

here's some info I thought might be useful.

Almost all Intel 1.6A's out there can hit 2.4 GHz without even breaking a sweat, and many even can do 2.7 GHz.
With both processors overclocked, Intel still wins in terms of performance. Of course AMD's saving grace has always been price. AMD based systems and CPU's have always been a much better value, and they still are.

Cooling - The retail Intel heatsink is just designed so well. Not only does it have a massive amount of surface area to draw away the heat a P4 produces (highly clocked P4's can generate close to what high end AMD CPU's do), it also acts as a huge EMI shield!

Another point to keep in mind is how fragile the AMD CPU is. When's the last time you heard of someone that killed a P4 or P3 with heat? Or maybe having a heatsink crush the core? Now think about the horror stories you've heard about from AMD based processors.
Source- http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1194.

but AMD openly challenge intel to a performance test that intel declined?

of course, we are still talking about processor, i just brought up the issue of mboards cos someone complain to me about the mb that comes up with most AMD processors.

what about the issue of the low quality mboards that come with it

>>patbon - what type of AMD processor do you use?

but i hear people complain about the motherboard that comes with AMD, also don't do you get for what you pay for?

i think we should not be too eager to conclude. why java may not be a the eureka in programming we are looking for, it has been revolutionary in many ways. i program in c++ and java, and i am very familiar with .net technology but i still say, java stands. more than 50% of software house in nigeria uses java and they cannot all be wrong

hey, I want to get a new system but I am wondering on which processor to get. What do you think of the durability and cost of the two processors, AMD and INTEL?