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[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=521304.msg6838634#msg6838634 date=1285696641][/s]Dumb post ![/quote]Why is it “dumb”? Or are you too “dumb” to string more than two words together?

tpiah:
^^look, your post was daft.

no need to take it personally. Correct your glaring error and move on.

i'm not going to waste my time analyzing what you wrote.

Not anymore than your response exuding typical defensive incoherent ramblings.

tpiah:
your post has nothing to do with any issue anywhere talkless this one.

ORLY See ^^^^^

tensor777:
Must you politicise everything? What has all this got to do with the kidnapping of children??

Politicize “everything”? Check my posting history; you have the wrong person, pal!

And this is not politics! I was simply responding to people questioning Jonathan for not declaring a state of emergency. Now that you know what it has to do with kidnapping children, what do you think the next step should be?

I have a feeling that Jonathan’s hands may be tied due to the law as is. Nigeria does not have enough professionalism in her police, judiciary, and legislature to practice true democracy.

What is Jonathan to do if the law calls for the occurrence of X, Y, and Z before a state of emergency is declared but only X is occurring?

What Nigeria needs is a form of democracy or leader that is will to bend certain rules. Otherwise, while the executive or victim is playing and abiding by the rules others will corrupt the system to suit their needs.

For a perfect example, look no further than the injunctions given out by judges. It seems anyone can get away with anything as long as you payoff a federal judge to issue an injunction against questioning or investigating you! Only in Naija!

I have no experience with juju but I do know that some of what they claim to be magic can be scientifically explained.

A juju man is called an herbalist; someone that know about herbals. Well, isn’t most herbs the source of western medicine? If a person, herbalist or otherwise, knows the necessary herbs to put you in a trance or get you to hallucinate, he will.

I think we need to differentiate between juju that works based on physical contact that requires a person to come in-contact with something laced and one that works regardless of where the victim is.

In other words, can a juju man in Nigeria cast a spell or whatever else on someone in the US? This should be the real question!

I think Nigeria is definitely heading towards that direction but there are a few issues that will need to be resolved to make it work:

1. The life expectancy in Nigeria is relatively low and people tend to die before they become incapacitated. I think the life expectancy is about 48 years. Nursing homes are mainly for incapacitated people.
2. Labor is relatively cheap in Nigeria which means that one can hire 24/7 maids or family members to care for aged parents. The only downside to this is that the care givers are not trained to provide medical emergency.
3. There’s stigma attached to sending one’s parent to a nursing home.

I think the mortality rate will get better once the healthcare delivery improves. As for the other issues, they can be resolved by building a nursing home that rival hotels and has a bunch of activities geared towards adults - adults will voluntarily check themselves in.

The main issue then will be that of cost. How can you build such a long-term facility that will be affordable to the upper middle class?

Kobojunkie:
[size=13pt]ROFLMAO!![/size]

ROFLMAO? I hope that's a nervous laugh! Another qualified candidate for the Darwin Awards!

Your mediocre arguments and antics might have worked when dealing in the minor league but in the majors? Know when to be quiet when you’re being PWNED abi they no teach you anything for UDel?

Kobojunkie:
Owner is now relative term ?? Ahh, na wa oo!

Ok Madam! What constitutes ownership? How do you determine who an owner is?

Who owns the following companies:

1. Dangote Cement
2. Any of Dangote’s publicly traded company?
3. Facebook?
4. Google?

Sergey Brin and Larry Page owns 15.6% and 15.7%, respectively of Google's outstanding shares, are they still the owners of Google? What exactly does it mean to own?

Kobojunkie:
ROFLMAO . . . . on the wiki page, you are told his EMPLOYER, and then you are told he was promotied as to vice chair of the credit swisse subsidiary and you still believe he OWNS GATWICK?? ROFLMAO!

From the same wiki site: "Adebayo Ogunlesi is currently Chairman and Managing Partner of Global Infrastructure Partners, a $5.64 billion joint venture formed by Credit Suisse and General Electric."

In trying to get you to see that “owner” is a relatively term, I had previously asked you the kind of ownership that an entrepreneur ends up with when "starting a company to control other people’s money”, and I got no reply. 

I guess I have to break it down for you. Two different companies, Credit Suisse and GE, formed a partnership called Global Infrastructure Partners controlled by Adebayo Ogunlesi.

Like I said before, “Adebayo Ogunlesi is the Chairman of Global Infrastructure Partners, the company that bought Gatwick.” How is he just an employee? Are you still "ROFLMAO"?

Kobojunkie:
Use GOOGLE . . . it will help you a lot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adebayo_Ogunlesi


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKixx2c-2BU

Comprehend what you’ve just read and listened to…it will help shooting from the hip! Cite to exactly where you’re referring to.

Selected Entity Name: AFAM DENTAL ASSOCIATE P.C.
Selected Entity Status Information
Current Entity Name: AFAM DENTAL ASSOCIATE P.C.
Initial DOS Filing Date: SEPTEMBER 29, 2008
County: KINGS
Jurisdiction: NEW YORK
Entity Type: DOMESTIC PROFESSIONAL CORPORATION
Current Entity Status: ACTIVE

Selected Entity Address Information
DOS Process (Address to which DOS will mail process if accepted on behalf of the entity)
AFAM DENTAL ASSOCIATE P.C.
5205 CHURCH AVE
BROOKLYN, NEW YORK, 11203
Registered Agent




Selected Entity Name: AFAM DENTAL ASSOCIATES, LLP
Selected Entity Status Information
Current Entity Name: AFAM DENTAL ASSOCIATES, LLP
Initial DOS Filing Date: AUGUST 07, 2003
County:
Jurisdiction: NEW YORK
Entity Type: DOMESTIC REGISTERED LIMITED LIABILITY PARTNERSHIP
Current Entity Status: ACTIVE

Selected Entity Address Information
DOS Process (Address to which DOS will mail process if accepted on behalf of the entity)
C/O DR. JOSIF UVAYDOV
52-05 CHURCH AVENUE
BROOKLYN, NEW YORK, 11203
Principal Executive Office
AFAM DENTAL ASSOCIATES, LLP
52-05 CHURCH AVENUE
BROOKLYN, NEW YORK, 11203


Selected Entity Name: AFAM DENTAL ASSOCIATES, LLP
Selected Entity Status Information
Current Entity Name: AFAM DENTAL ASSOCIATES, LLP
Initial DOS Filing Date: AUGUST 07, 2003
County:
Jurisdiction: NEW YORK
Entity Type: DOMESTIC REGISTERED LIMITED LIABILITY PARTNERSHIP
Current Entity Status: ACTIVE

Selected Entity Address Information
DOS Process (Address to which DOS will mail process if accepted on behalf of the entity)
C/O DR. JOSIF UVAYDOV
52-05 CHURCH AVENUE
BROOKLYN, NEW YORK, 11203
Principal Executive Office
AFAM DENTAL ASSOCIATES, LLP
52-05 CHURCH AVENUE
BROOKLYN, NEW YORK, 11203


Selected Entity Name: AFAM PHARMACY ASSOCIATES, LLC
Selected Entity Status Information
Current Entity Name: AFAM PHARMACY ASSOCIATES, LLC
Initial DOS Filing Date: AUGUST 12, 2005
County: KINGS
Jurisdiction: NEW YORK
Entity Type: DOMESTIC LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Current Entity Status: ACTIVE

Selected Entity Address Information
DOS Process (Address to which DOS will mail process if accepted on behalf of the entity)
AFAM PHARMACY ASSOCIATES, LLC
5205 CHURCH AVENUE
BROOKLYN, NEW YORK, 11212

[quote author=Aloy+Emeka link=topic=520469.msg6831878#msg6831878 date=1285611583]Its news because there are not many hospitals in America owned by a single person. Most of them are owned by giant cooperations and the few that has single proprietors have been acquired by investors due the cost of running healthcare in America. That is why I still ask where he got the funds.[/quote]Somewhat true. Most clinics are partnerships which are collectively owned by the partners (doctors). I doubt a non-doctor could own a share of a medical partnership, which is true for attorney partnerships. I couldn't find the name of the actual owners and just like I guessed, it is a community clinic. Here's the filed info with the State of NY.


Current Entity Name: AFAM COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROJECT INC.
Initial DOS Filing Date: MAY 08, 2007
County: KINGS
Jurisdiction: NEW YORK
Entity Type: DOMESTIC NOT-FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION
Current Entity Status: ACTIVE 

Selected Entity Address Information DOS Process (Address to which DOS will mail process if accepted on behalf of the entity)
AFAM COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROJECT INC.
5205 CHURCH AVENUE
BROOKLYN, NEW YORK, 11203 
Registered Agent
NONE

tpiah:
i'm still not sure why its news that another hospital has been added to the myriads of hospitals in america?

not sure what i'm missing hence my question about the clinical rotation.

i'm not knocking the man's achievements but the reporting leaves a lot to be desired, imo.

Sensationalism or lack of anything else to report.

Kobojunkie:
, We have heard of Nigerians inventing that which has already been invented, and Nigerians buying Gatwick, only to realize that the Nigerian in question is simply an employee of the investment company that purchased Gatwick. ,

Can you substantiate your claim of him being just an employee? Also, while doing that, can you also tell what it means to “own” a company? How about “owning” a public company? Does “ownership” change if you bought a company with other people’s money (VC)? How about starting a company to control other people’s money; what kind of ownership is that?

Adebayo Ogunlesi is the Chairman of Global Infrastructure Partners, the company that bought Gatwick.

LAX89:
The Reporter is a motorpark journalist. The so called "Biggest Hospital" is called 'AFAM Medical Center'. And the building is NOT
owned by the Nigerian Doctor, he's just renting the first floor for his medical practice. It's located @ 5205 Church Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11203, phone
number = (718) 688-8000. There're numerous other tenants including Nigerians and other doctors renting other parts of the building, but "Afam Medical Center" certainly has the biggest signpost. Having said all this, for clarity, let me also state; Dr. Obiakor is very well educated, has an impressive resume and is doing Nigeria proud. I'm proud of him and proud to call him my country man.[/

+1

It is just a neighborhood clinic with specialties but that doesn’t take away from the fact that it is still a laudable achievement since he will be providing employment for other doctors and obgyns.

Echidime:
Only a blind man won't  know that a politician sponsored that project to get away from EFCC that is why is a politician from Home that do the Commisioning, so he do not have american black to do it for him if not criminal from home? we are not kids and can no longer be decieved, EFCC should go after him to confess.

When did he come to america? what is his salary?

What are you trying to say about "american black to do it for him if not criminal from home??”

Not that it really makes a difference; the guy started his BSc in the States in 1977 and continued on with his doctoral degree. NOT everybody that is successful in the US is a “crook”! Generally speaking, why is it so hard for Nigerians to be happy for their fellow citizen’s success?

Do understand that I’m by no means defending this guy, as I do not know him or know of him, but don’t be quick to think the worst of him especially when he has a traceable source of income.

[quote author=Aloy+Emeka link=topic=520469.msg6825998#msg6825998 date=1285526351]So you don't care if he is into 419?. Building and running a hospital in America is a multi million dollar empire especially in NY. Where did he get such funds?[/quote]He got the funds from the same place other people that build such hospitals get their funds from. Would you have asked the same question if he was white or non-Nigerian? What makes you think that he doesn't have access to millions of dollars, legally? How much of the money do you think he needs to come up with upfront?

I don’t know him or know of him but based on his credentials, it is more likely than not that his “money” is traceable to a legal source.

The last thing any “crook” would want to do is to try to launder dirty money in the US; they might get away with buying a house but building a multi-million dollar business?

jay bee:
@EL
I did london to sunderland 2 weeks ago and i was like WTF, i def ain't doing this again.
Drove for 8 hrs combined all in a single day
PS: Sunderland is like 15 miles from Newcastle
I swear you don try. Your NL bravado aside, you are a very genuine nice person cos me i don't think i can forgive such.

You think driving 8 hours in a day is a lot? You need to come and see yankee driving! I personally have driven 15 hours in a day. I normally drive about 8 hrs+ per day a few times per year when traveling to Canada.

davidylan:
Now that i've started thinking of my own children, i horrifically find myself begining to like some of those things my dad would do to me back in the days. I would not hesitate to flog my own child very well . . . i dont believe in the system of raising children in the west . . .

I think that the cycle can be broken as there is a fine line between abuse and discipline. One just has to check one’s action to make sure it doesn’t go overboard. In Yoruba, there’s a saying that, “ti o ba fi owo otun ba omo wi, wa fi owo osi fa mora.” Excluding the fact that I probably just murdered that quote and Yoruba, it literally means that when you spank a kid with your right hand, you should pull the kid closer to you with your left hand.

In other words, even if you have to discipline your kids, you have to re-assure them of your love not long afterwards and explain to them why they deserved the spanking. You might even consider bribing them after the disciplinary action.

The truth is that when a kid has a health dose of respect for you as the person in charge, you don’t even have to discipline that kid any longer because he/she will tend to listen to what you say when you’re serious. But you need to establish that your warnings are not empty.

Two things that I wished existed in our culture are hugs and kisses! I don’t ever remember my parents say, “I love you” as kids even though I have absolutely no doubt that they loved us to death.

It’s almost as if being too mushy is not our thing. Actually, too much affection becomes annoying to me after a while. If you crave 24/7 affection, try dating a francophone.

Princek12:
My parents always told me to not eat the thigh of the chicken; specifically, that preference over who should eat the chicken thigh should be given to the parents. In hindsight, I believe kids should be the ones who should be given preference to eat the chicken thigh, for they need more than the adults the protein and nutrients essential for growing up.

It’s funny you said that. I have a male friend who is about 5’7” and he always jokingly blame his parents for his height because his mum only gave him one piece of meat while the dad had a plate full.

okunoba:
@Wallies, beating isn`t the same thing as discipline, the American kids u talking about come from abusive homes that is why they turn out the way they are. It was in America that I learnt u can bring kids up the right way without resulting to violence. Most educated middle class families don`t beat their children, they talk to them and reason with them, they teach them from a a very early age that there is a reward for obedience.

My mom also doesn't believe in beating with a cane as she thinks it is more work for her but having you stool-down? Hell yeah! Don’t get me wrong, you shouldn’t always punish or scold a child for doing something wrong especially when the child realizes it. At times, just giving them “a look” might be all they really need.

My parents never hit us with their hands, on our heads, or throw something at us. But my mom can have you stool-down for 30 mins without batting an eye.

Do you really think only talking works all the time? There was a day my mom told us to pick up all our clothes from the floor before she gets back from an outing. She then warned us that each piece of clothing she finds on the floor when she gets back would amount to one stroke of cane. Did I pick up all my clothes? Nope.

I crack up at your comment saying that bad kids only come from abusive homes! You most definitely don’t live in the US!

okunoba:
If beating kids made them better as adults Nigerians would be the most law abiding people in the World, we wouldn`t have a society dominated by dishonesty and corruption. All the abuse disguised as disciplining children is part of the reason the country is ripe with all forms of injustice, brutality and dishonesty. We learnt it all from our wretched upbringing, that culture of abuse called love by some who are still in denial.  We are bound to violence, everywhee in our upbringing there is that touch of violence.  I resent the violence inflicted on children in Nigeria by the so called love ones. As they say violence breeds violence. Y was it so difficult for Nigerian parents to talk and reason with their kids instead of using violence and abusive words, it`s no surprise even on Nairaland many of us find it impossible to discuss issues without resulting to abusive words.

Really? Have you seen the new generation of American kids that were not disciplined? Too much of anything is not good even if the thing is inherently good! I think some parents and teachers in 9ja definitely over do it.

So what do you do to a kid that talks back and rains curses on you? You threaten to take his privileges away and he says, “f you dad.” Then you start wondering where he got “f you” from and tell him not to say that again except he does but this time while at school. Since the teachers can’t discipline him, they call you from work to come take your kid because he has been suspended. Now you’re lost as to what your next step should be and you ended up taking him to a psychologist who then prescribes him some anti-psychotic drug for unresolved anger issues. Is that your solution?

Kids need a measured amount of discipline to let them know that there are consequences for their actions.

For me, being the first son meant that I had to do most of the errands even though I had an elder sister. All I ever remember my sister doing growing up was reading those silly novels on her bed! It seemed that my mom only remembered my name and I get called upon constantly! Today, I don’t like being called upon to do anything especially if I don’t answer the first time.

My dad, on the other hand, was very cool as long as I did well in school. Although, I hate going on vacation with him because when we get back, I will have to write an essay about the whole trip.

Whenever a girl comes visiting and my mom is at home, I will just sneak her outside under the pretence that I was going on an errand for my dad. The funny thing is that my dad will back me up! I have a feeling that my dad probably saw traits of him in me:-) My mom never liked any of my friends that were girls and she always gave them the evil eye even when they pretend they were visiting my cousin. Up till today, some of them call me “omo mommy” because they felt my mom pushed them away.

My dad is really cool! He takes us, the boys, to almost every wrestling and soccer event that occurs at the National Stadium, Onikan and TBS. We even played soccer and table tennis together in our room. Looking back now, I only wished he didn’t give my mom so much heartache over other women; he would have being the perfect father.

Orilee9ice:
Our parents who came to study in Britain back then, selling everything they had b4 going home. (instead of investing for the future), leaving us to "start again" from beginning when we came over, now they are all regreting it,

lol, my parents did the same except in the US. They always talk about how naira had more value than the dollar back then.

I think the article is spot on at diagnosing some of the problems with Nigerian youths. However, the solution to the problem is not readily apparent as the responsibility falls within the purview of the government and parent.

Middle class kids in the US move out of their parent’s house at age 18 but mostly end up going away to college in a different state. The kids that don’t want to go away to college can find jobs that allow them to survive on their own.

In Nigeria, the same is probably true with the exception that kids that did not get admitted to a University can’t usually find a job that is not degrading. A job has to have a certain level of dignity attached to it and what that dignity is varies per culture. For lack of a better example, being a poo hauler, “agbe poo”, will be considered degrading by most people.

Where most Nigerian parents lack is from not being able to distinguish a kid’s “wants” from “needs”. I would argue that if a parent can afford a child’s need, then by all means, they should. After all, one of the reasons parents work hard is to afford a better life for their family. However, parents have to understand that just because they can afford “it” doesn’t mean that they should buy “it.”

For example, there’s absolutely nothing wrong in buying your child a reliable car to get to work even if he/she is making minimum wage. But buying the child a brand new BMW when all he needs is a car that gets him from point A to B is borderline irresponsible. Also, there’s almost no reasonable reason why a kid should be flying first class on the parent’s dime except if traveling with the parent. How is the kid suppose to adjust to the realities of life when he realizes, as an adult, that he can no longer afford the BMW’s and first class tickets on his own dime?

Parents should provide for their kid’s needs as best as they could but not past what is needed and earned.

Another major issue with kids having rich parents is that the kids are usually not motivated to do anything meaningful with their lives. This is one of the arguments in favor of high inheritance/estate tax in the US. This is a government tax on a deceased parent’s estate (entire property after death) that is willed to their kids, which could be high as 55%. If you’re an heir to your parent’s estate worth $3,000,000, the government will give you a tax bill of about $1.3M. It is the government’s responsibility to stem perpetual wealth.

Here’s an extreme example, think about a billionaire’s kid; what motivation will such a person have to earn a living? Why struggle to earn better grades in school when you can just get by and graduate? Why strive to work at a top law firm or practice when daddy’s billion dollar company will be yours after he dies? In the long run, perpetual wealth does a disservice to the country and might create generations of trust fund babies.

Motivation comes partly from desiring something outside one’s reach.

amor4ce:
@Wallie, your reasoning seems to be indicative of someone with a supremacist point of view. How can you arrive at such? Don't you think those who you refer to like that would find that insulting and condescending? To me, this is how the "white" colonialists treated us like savages.

Insult? Savages? Condescending? Supremacist? Dude, what the hell are you talking about?

1. Are most Yorubas found in Nigeria?
2. Is the Yoruba spoken in Lagos different from the Yoruba spoken in Ijebu Ode? How about Badagry?
3. If there are differences between the Yoruba spoken in Lagos and Ijebu Ode, wouldn’t it be highly likely that it will also be different from Yoruba spoken by slaves isolated in a different country about a hundred years ago? Could their version of Yoruba be considered patois due to inclusion of their own local vocabulary?
4. Do languages evolve, generally? Are we still speaking the same English spoken during the Shakespearean times?

Now that you see how I logically arrived at my reasoning, how did you arrive at yours? Could it be that you have an inferiority complex?

I wonder how much Yoruba is still retained in languages of indigenous Yoruba tribes around the world especially in countries like Dominican Republic, Cuba and Brazil.

I once asked a Yoruba from the Ivory Coast to say something to me in Yoruba and she said “mo fe dun nu” – I’m about to eat. I understood what she said but I was amazed at the choice of words she used. It seemed like their version of Yoruba was stuck in the middle ages and didn’t evolve.

@eziuche

I do agree that upbringing has a lot to do with how one behaves. There’s also nothing wrong in showering a girl with gifts (tricking) as long as you can afford it; however, it is important to understand that the gifts or money can’t buy you love.

I also do agree that there are a lot of 9ja girls that marry for true love and I think that’s especially true when the girls has a lot going for her. The only way to truly judge the strength of a relationship is when the other party doesn’t need their hubby for survival. If your hubby, who is not emotionally damaged, can fully function without you and continues to date you, then it might just be true love.

An advice to girls is to strive to become fully independent so that you’ll only get into a relationship for the right reasons. Moreover, there are some guys that will die for that. Not every man likes a submissive dunce without a backbone. A man can never be always right no matter how smart or knowledgeable he thinks he is. The trick is for the wife to know when and which battles to pick. There’s absolutely nothing wrong in letting one’s spouse safe face at times. True power comes from the ability to show restraint.

An ideal woman should respect her husband as the head of the household but also be able to demand respect and admiration from her husband.

I think it is just a bad idea to marry someone you hardly know and transpose that person into a new wild environment. Just too many variables to work with.

Another thing that could happen is that the woman who previously held the husband in high regard will get here and realize that the guy is just barely getting by and things are not as rosy as they seemed in 9ja.

The chance of a marriage working is better when the expectations of the couple are as realistic as possible.

No matter how cynical the OP sounds, there’s some truth to what he said. The bottom line is that marrying someone you hardly know could be a rude awakening.

I know of people that claim that they’re better off marrying people from their village because they speak the same language or their families are friends. The truth is that if that’s all you have in common with your partner, chances are that the union will not last.

American lifestyle has a funny way of changing people (both sexes). The only way to have an inkling of how a person will change is for that person to be exposed to the American lifestyle.

In other words, do not go bring a girl from your village, unless you’ve been dating before leaving 9ja, thinking that she will remain the submissive soul that you thought she was.