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oyinpr:
bros he didn't mean it literarily when he said the helos will be in the trenches with them, he ment that they will be at their bec and call 24/7. Bottom line is that the army needs helos bro. Somalia was an urban theater it's different from what we have in the North East pls.

No air fleet flies at bec and call 24/7 its impossible, they are limited by service availability percentage due to down time for maintenance and shut downs.

My man I get it too, but super camp is a trench of large size, frontline is frontline. NAF already has frontline air bases for years closest as possible to battlefields. You said North East Nigeria is not urban theatre like Somalia? Sorry, are you a Nigeria at all So all 10 million people of N.E. live inside open empty sand desert? Maiduguri has no urban houses? You guys fit cause laughter on dis platform, no wonder somebody use uniform rank to confuse you easily No vex o, we free to disagree my bruz.

Jimi24:
You are getting this very wrong. First of all, as said before and someone also repeated, "in the trench with us " merely means something like "the choppers would be parked inside the Super Camp under NA control.

Pls what is this one about comparing a single incident involving a company of US troops trapped inside a built up area inside a densely populated city in Somalia with Nigeria Army's current context of aggressive patrols from Super Camps, hunting and killing the enemy and denying them territory over wide sparsely populated areas.

Kindly understand our problem statement before distracting the authorities with poor advice who have been trying to bring the war to a quick close. Choppers have been fairly effective against BHT but the NA needs more stand off missiles.

You are correct about long range detection of attacks on camps but some of the recent haul of weapons Nigeria Army received recently were GROUND RADARS capable of more than 20km detection of hostiles and many other electro optical observation equipment.

Lets us not distract the NA. Aggressive patrols on land backed by choppers will destroy ISWAP. If we can keep just 10 choppers and 5 aircraft in the air for two months waoiling and kiling, ISWAP would be dead

Broz, a few 5 ground radars for 100 FOBs, air bases and barracks? How enough Broz? Radar is wrong, NA need thermal imagers like these green colors, to detect and I.D. approaching BHT vehicles and foot men 10 to 20 km away, radars don't identify friend or foe. It's only those who don't understand war that an army General can confuse because he was shouting. Me too I shout when I lecture in classroom

You are asking 15 aircraft for NA when NAF uses over 100 aircraft and started shouting air power alone cannot win this war?

Let Senate transfer to NA aviation all 6 armed Agusta NAF ordered newly and let army see practical of operating aircraft, they overestimate capability of air power. How many Super Camps in N.E. land bigger than Liberia? 15 aircraft can only defend limited areas near super camp, ISWAP will rampage freely beyond range of small helicopters, you forget limited range, endurance flight hours, horrible maintenance wahala in sandy dusty army base limiting helo operational availability? Its time for Nigerians in the know to tell NA what to do, we allowed them free decision for 10 years, they keep buying wrong type of vehicles and use DSHK to fight KPV, they do wrong things expecting right result.

Its my view, we can freely agree to disagree. Am just tired of wrong decisions.

Fynline:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9qrPObAvJM

No, methinks it is wrong. As a career lecturer in a Think Tank Strategic Studies Institute I believe more helicopters for NA or NAF, will not end Boko Haram war. Nigeria spent a whopping $ 1 billion to buy 70 combat helicopters now deployed by NAF, as in 50 heavy armour heavy firepower Mi-24 & 35 Hinds, 20 armed Puma, EC 135, Agusta 109. If 70 helos cannot finish BHT in 10 years, it proves limitation of air power in a land war. If NA cannot beat BHT on land, something's wrong with NA fighting capability and thats what Senate must spend money to correct by getting long range night vision equipment, land based ISR, HESCO base walls, capable cheap AFV like 23mm x 2 MT-LB or fast agile light tanks e.g. VT-5 high speed, long range night vision combat enabled mini-tanks.

ISWAP BHT attacks mostly at night, armed helicopters cannot I.D. own troops from terrorists, the Black Hawk Down real life movie shows US Army helicopters pilots kept saying no target I.D, it's very hard to identify own troops from enemies at night.

NA is boldly repeating it`s army aviation helicopters will be parked beside tanks, Jeeps, troops, all together inside a trench! Wow! Never seen such anywhere. Black Hawk down proves armed helicopters are not solution to defeat land based insurgency. Watch that real life movie again in full as the war happened in Somalia, estimating numbers, 20 well armed helicopters gave close air support for 24 hours to 100 elite US Army troops, best soldiers worldwide, 2 helicopters were shot down without any SAM missile. 20 helos could not save two platoons size 100 soldiers, until the US Army General begged the Pakistani army to send in 15 AFV of 2 tanks, 13 APCs and what 20 great combat helicopters failed to do for 24 hours air support, the 15 armoured vehicles completed the job in 2 hours saving all soldiers back to base. Somali insurgents wasted ammo, no AFVs was lost while 2 helicopters were shot down and other 27 helicopters ran away when the US Army General said "I cannot risk another loss of helicopter. Tell the Pakistani General to help us send AFV or else 100 American soldiers will be dead in body bags soon." I am just saying this in the best interest of our army.

komekn:

Our tactics are wrong considering your comments in the bold.
Technical are not a great threat to a properly fortified base. One round in the engine bay from a 50 Cal. Sniper rifle easily done at 1000 metres and the technical is immobile. An incendiary round neutralises anybody in the cab and end of story.

Actually I have targeted with a 50 Cal. HMG stabilised over a 1000 km single shot, obviously with optics sights. It's possible to use our Russian sourced HMG as well but optic sights essential very difficult if not impossible if it's not stabilised and using steel sights.

Basic investment in base fortifications we just don't do why ❓ It costs next to nothing we are busy digging trenches like WW2. That's why our bases are getting over run.

On base HESCO walls you are 100% correct, but army DSHK 12.7 mm vs ISWAP 14.5 or 23 mm is Pussy Cat vs Lion, waste of young soldiers. Why not brigade, division GOCs go try it themselves and see red pepper

Still army can't depend on only HESCO, we still need AFV with right type of cannons to shoot back or else FOBs become our graveyard when ISWAP lobs mortar bombs over HESCO barriers, FOB is large size, static, easy target, BHT mortars won't miss, and they captured dozens of our own mortars to kill us.

Bros, our DSHK max effect is 800 m practical range day time, its half that range in dark night, our soldiers are not Bats born with natural eyes night vision, we have no .50 Cal E.Optics as standard issue, we use old skool iron sights. BHT dont have or need AAA gun stabilizers, people in town, even DHQ underestimates these ugly face devils who mastered the art of using unstabilized KPV, ZSU to shoot down NAF Alpha jets, among fastest subsonic jets ever made, flown by best Alpha jet experienced pilots on planet, its those same devil BHT AAA gunners people think cannot damage our boys and APCs in open FOBs from 2 km far range? They fire in area effect on huge target FOB, even one-eyed gunner wont miss!

NA needs to reply enemy 14.5mm with at least 23mm or we keep filling cemetery holes with fine young men, future crop of officers, many leave babies, pregnant wives behind. Reason Nigeria refuses to spit fire for fire is a mystery beyond me.

kikuyu2:
Both the Vics and Panhards were upgraded by the respective OEMs. Stingy? Not the Hurlingham (DOD HQ)boys;no sir-here's a true story you can confirm from your end I first posted 2012 on the Thread that turned into a poo parade. After the night time amphib/airborne Kismayu capture in September 2012 your your Ship House were around requesting the tactical playbook and some specops guys to recce Mali for the intended NA mission against jihadists;remember that episode?
Anyway a section were on ground in nondescript unidentified kit for a fortnight and said a BIG NYET! Too many competing players both military,political plus freelance adventurers while cultural ans linguistic issues would've made operations too iffy.
Like I said confirm from your end if this story is true.

Sorry broz, I dint know you posted Vicky & AML-90 upgrade years ago. Thanks for sharing the good ideas. So its Nigeria's failure to upgrade not Kenyans hiding useful stuff, we need to fix our own lives here in NG

Kenya surprises me going for MD armed light helicopter, same Kenya had 12 early model British made Tucanos before, now instead of moving up to Super Tucano model like 20 other developing countries, a plane that can take off from Kenya to kill Al Shabaab in Somalia and return to Kenya on same fuel load is a mystery.

WARTHUNDER:
Everybody on this platform welldone. Assume usual MBNP $500 million capital procurement budget, F.Govt sacrifices all for NA alone to save our Army. What can $500 m buy quick 2020 because good young men are dying in thousands.

When ISIS swooped over Iraqi army 2014, government army was losing that war. Fastest game changer was urgent procurement from Russia of 250 MT-LB upgunned with ZU-23-2 anti-aircraft guns costing 250K dollars per vehicle, and so ISIS rapid advance was stopped. Iraq could then sit down, plan, fund big time procurement.

If NA adds modern thermal vision for night combat to 23mm x 2 MT-LB, up cost to 500k apiece but 500 million dollars means we get 1,000 night vision armoured heavy firepower all terrain troop carriers to spread around 100 army FOBs, 100 more NAF air bases, NN Lake Chad bases, military barracks, MJNTF bases, Baga & Bama regular hot zones, Police MOPOL hot camps, endangered Maiduguri, Monguno etc.

You see pics difference between NA MT-LB captured and why it was lost, compare Iraqi MT-LB, I never saw Iraq lose any to ISIS. Other pic is Ukraine's Army Elite troops using it now against insurgency. We can push BHT ISWAP out of all Nigerian spaces with 1,000 killer MT-LB upgrade, then plan how to use the one thousand vehicles to win this war fast. My own shop right viewpoint, I hope its usable.

kikuyu2:
Tbh,the entire defence budget needs to be expanded dramatically! Ours is a billion dollars for 25k in the triservices and we're still short of air transport and need new jets while you guys got roughly the same for 160k!? Meaning welfare,housing,acquisitions and the usual line items are srsly squeezed with barely enough to go round. Idk how you do it and til this is addressed I don't see the battle against BH succeeding- ITS BEEN NEARLY A DECADE.

4 in 5 BH & ISW attacks are late evening into night. Our land vehices, aircraft (except 5 Mi-35) can't fight well at night, we are night blind, enemy figured out our big weakness.

No new shopping means we settle for containing threat to N.E. Geo. Pol. Zone, end of story for us.

Our budget's small but shopping right can save us. Recurrent exp, salaries, pensions, repairs, consumables, etc for NA is per year $1.2 billion always paid by F.Govt, but $120 million per year for NA capital procurement is too low.

All 3 armed forces share $500 million yearly capital procurement budget. Small? Yes, but from 2000 up to 2019 MBNP gave them $10 billion for new weapons! Don't add special fund $2 billion, write it off war expenses. Big $10 billion was dished out for new equipment in 20 years. See why I say shopping​ right is also a big problem?

Best way out is divert remaining 380m NN & NAF share for 2020 to NA alone, then $500 mil is a lot to buy Army new war winning game changers. Problem solved.

kikuyu2:
Your Vic 3s like ours have an integral low light TV set from the 80s. Ours were upgraded to 4th gen IR 6 or 7 years back. Same thing with our Panhard AMLs though I can't name the model.

Bros that's interesting to hear. Thanks for the info.

Methinks 1980s night vision is weak though, maybe sees 30 metres far and still needs supporting infra red headlamps to brighten the area, a method now obsolete. Abrams newest upgrade is modern day thermal imagers. Abrams is farthest among rivals with 15 km night vision very sharp n clear like i-Phone X pictures.

We should be okay with year 2000 thermal sight if we can shop right and get it.

How come you guys upgraded your own Vicky tanks & AML-90 with modernized night vision and didn't share the idea with us? You guys are stingy with good ideas?

Odunayaw:
the tanks? Normally they should be monuments now. Its like a chain reaction for these guys.
incompetence>>cluelessness>>wretched decisions>>excuses

Sadly, they don't have a boss that's excellent himself. Such dung!

Haaaa, so true, yes sir.

Now, Vicky & Tango 55 are monuments, Scorpion​ not real tank it's aluminum body for recce ops. All oldies have no night vision at all. Shocker is our mighty Tango 72 M1 night imager, I like to call it "Evergreen Tango 72 Mighty 1", has image intensifiers that cannot work in total dark night, some small light must be outside to help its night vision work, and maximum​ range estimates 200 meters. Shocking, but it's NA's farthest night seer.

No new shopping means danger ahead, we must shop to win. That 200m may be 'classified' but atimes men voice out their fears and problems.

Odunayaw:
We're not a few that love the Sagaie. See why I quickly wash my hands off any call by the army for "money"?

As at 2015 was when I heard the Infrared/Night sight capability non existence... and since then it hasn't been fixed.
I couldn't give a damn about whatever medal anyone is bagging in any country. The idiots rednecks we have are Top-down very clueless fellows.

Do U think that 'kidnapped' Sagaie pic is on any page here? Shocking how dey play wit our tins.

If 2015 night blindness AFVs was complained, let's hope it's not clueless matter, hope it's not intentional to drag a long long war. If so, we are done for. My rosary beads prayer mode, I confess to the Priest Sunday Sunday, for mercy, and purge everywhere.

I was told metres range of night imager on our few dozen tanks that are not night blind, will surprise you if u hear it.

Is there cause for alarm? Yes or No? Has everyone seen ISWAP playing on top our legendary Sagaie 90 that did so well for NA in Sudan, S. Leone, Mali? Am avoiding posting that pic, am sad cuz Sagaie 90 is my favourite NA airmobile tank on tyres. Now ugly face Jihadis capture my favorite AFV. A student of mine at Institute I lecture, told me a shocking thing that only 1 in 20 NA armoured fighting vehicles have night vision combat infra red! My 2nd fear in that Sagaie 90mm pic is these nowadays common brown uniform, is this still unconventional war or now semi-conventional? As academic school teacher of Strategic Studies I wonder. Our enemy now has official militia combat uniform, mad boldness! I pray for Nigeria with my beads daily, because so did Rome fall to Barbarians, not that BHT ISWAP call defeat us, but they can frustrate 300 Nigerian tribes with insecurity and we unknowingly tear down our fragile fabric that joins us as one nation. Is our future secure inside this insecurity?

SamuelAnyawu:
1) Should we shutdown our military activities because ISWAP attacks and seize several gun trucks and Ammo?
2) Military/Government ain't happy with us because most Humanitarian workers are telling Nigerians TRUTH ABOUT ONGOING WAR in Northern Borno axis?

Dear Nigeria Military it was not NGOs who finished over 300 Military personnel of operation last hold. Not NGOs dislodged you guys in Baga. Not NGOs who carried out Attacks in Metele. Zari, Kukawa, and pushed you guys out of Gajiram, Gajiganna and Tungushe. ISWAP moves freely in Borno north. Currently all the Cattle routes in Borno north have become ISWAP movement paths.

God Bless our Gallant Soldiers. God Bless Nigeria

Everybody on this platform welldone so far. For love of Motherland's sake, can we help our own army? Stubborn, not listening, yet they need help, lets do our bit for our once sweet peaceful land, peace enforcer of W. Africa, now same us cant enforce peace inside our own house.

Assume usual MBNP $500 million capital procurement budget, F.Govt sacrifices all for NA alone to save our Army. NN & NAF have enough equip. to use 2020, weak army can cause enemy overrun of air, naval bases on land. 2 non-lethal like COMMS, ISR, and 2 lethal like AFV, MBT, land PGM, armed scout helicopter, what magic things can NA buy for 500 mil to solve NA's decline? Someone here says NA need hire eloquent specialists in modern army stuff to argue for more funds at Fed.Govt MBNP Senate levels. Not big cash, but half bread better than none.

Am asking because our best NA weapons all are defeated, D-30 arty, Solid Vickers, Scorpion 76, Mighty Tango 72 M1, Sagaie 90 etc. What can $500 m buy quick 2020 because good young men are dying in thousands. I will take down these pics later, just showing now to make us forget tribe, religion, politics, and save own ourselves please I beg of U all. Thanks.

Free public show April 2019, it was fun that day in Kaduna, army weapons display. I dont know if same pics are on other pages here.

Methinks arguments on Army budget is simple case. Low funds VS Enough funds. Lets agree to disagree like someone said. Thinking with published data from FGovt. Min. Budg & Nat. Pln budget office and Army HQ.

NA lost golden chance oil boom 2001 till 2013 when clever armies of OPEC nations masterminded their own full scale army modernization master plans, but Nigerian army wasted its own bonanza, army alone capital procurement budget incd. side grants hit $5 billion total. Next phase 2014 till 2019 another MBNP $2 billion capital budget paid army alone. NA didnt shop righitht with $7 billion 2001 till 2019, Fed. & Legist. will now need real convincing to dish out heavy again, fears wrong shopping.

For 2019 Army COAS asked FGovt. for capital procurement budget $250 million but Fed. MBNP gave $120 million. MBNP blames scanty unclear purpose because Army don't fully detail whats needed to fully finally finish job in N.E, it's asking for same things MBNP paid NAF to buy, not so convincing in these scarce dollar days. Please can anybody help them plead their case well? Help NA if you have ideas.

When BHT storms NA FOB speeding 80 kmh maneuvering on approach to negate hit probability of all NA long range mortars, Scorpion, Vickers, RM-70 rockets and FH-77 artillery. Our DHSK are too short ranged. All NA arsenal turns useless for point effect accuracy defensive fire on moving target. Videos of those hard to hit tactics crazy driving BHT are seen on internet.

As ISWAP is 2 km from open field FOB, they dont need gun stabilization or marksmanship, they just slow to like 50 km, turn to side cross motion and discharge KPV or ZSU ammo shower on FOB that is a large stationary target even dullard BHT gunners wont miss, its area effect fire on such huge fixed target like our FOB, soldiers start dying, our APC, LAV vehicle armour are penetrated even before we can return fire, our troops panic as death and destruction starts, also BHT acoustic effect of KPV kills our boys morale to fight back.

KPVT 14.5 ZSU 23 are explosive bullets and effects like small grenades, they penetrate and also explode on impact, NA cant survive it, reason our FOBs fall and 1,900 own servicemen are dead today.

MRLS, mortars, field artillery, NA cant use in urban bases with civilian towns, or we kill innocent civilians. So, initial attack phase of ISWAP stormers need be stopped with precision fire ATGM, or 25mm 30mm IFV, but people avoid asking for IFV since NA seems sworn to not use IFV in BTOE, MTOE, TDA. If they cant spend $2 million per IFV with 30mm, lets ask for 500k ATGM thats 4 times cheaper. It's also correct to say IFV 25mm 30mm turret will work as excellent options instead of ATGM any of both options will make us happy and safe. $2 million apiece BTR-90 with 30mm will also defeat ISWAP and better than $5 million armed Eurocopter EC135 but NA will need 200 IFV to cover same area as 20 armed copters.

After detailed review of money cost and tech capability for all possible options, cheap China Belarus Pakistan $500k ATGM with $10k old stock missiles, supported with $10 KPV 14.5mm at one anti-aircraft gun per NA Platoon, gives best low cost-high effectiveness to make this combo WARTHUNDER's favourite affordable game changers for Nigerian Army to kill ISWAP beast dead without calling NAF to fly omnipresent sorties everywhere, ISWAP has no air force to call for support, yet they survive.

nemesis8u:
Regarding helicopter shoot down

Well a war zone of full of surprises , even then one cannot take a few exceptions to be the norm. That would be foolhardy.

ATGMs r of different types which makes them suitable or unsuitable for unconventional warfare.

In a unconventional war the hostilities rely mainly on ambush and hit and run tactics . They present a target for a few seconds before they disappear. They have the luxury of choosing the terrain and vegetation to suit their needs and put the other side at a disadvantage.

Eg u cannot fire wire guided ATGMS or laser guided ATGMs through vegetation becz the guidance wire will get sagged in the bushes and laser beams will get disrupted.

Also MCLOS/SACLOS type of missiles u referred to are not fire and forgot ATGMs.

They require to be set up and need a clear LOS view and requires profiency on the part of the crew to obtain desired efficiency. % of success will vary considerably especially against small sized fast moving targets.

Also warheads of ATGMs are intended for armoured targets and hence many a times don't function optimally again soft skinned targets like technicals.

Then there is the OODA loop ( observe orient decide act ) , I will not make it complicated , so simplistically speaking one needs to detect the target before he can act. Does NA have the system's in hand to preemptive any ambush or attack . Without corresponding situational awareness corresponding firepower will suffer shortfalls.

But nevertheless these types can be used for defence of fixed positions like FOBs provided they r located properly and have a unobstructed LOS and all vegetation / foliage has been removed from the designated fire zones surrounding the FOBs.

Only IIR based fire and forget ATGMs offers a higher kill probability . It rectifies all the deficiencies of the above systems but costs higher.

IMO what u guys need is something like mini spike or something in its category and functionality.

French Gazelle shot down by Jihadi in Mali is not a one off exception, it was simple 7.62mm that killed it, that means if those Jihadis have enough 14.5mm x 2 and 23mm x 2 they will shoot down Rafale jet that enters AAA range at subsonic speed.

Next, you missed many things bruv;

ATGM are two different types, HEAT warhead to kill armour like Leopard tanks, Thermobaric warhead to kill soft skin vehicles like CT-COIN insurgents Toyota Technicals, fortified bunkers, low altitude helicopters, etc.

Then BHT attacks our FOBs a lot, forcing us to retreat to super camp, storming NA FOB is an assault not ambush.

Most of our N.E. is open dry land apart from few like Sambisa Forest that is not a real thick Mangrove jungle, it's Savannah sparse bush land.

We won't use wire guide, we will use laser beam riding, bros am not a maize farmer to recommend wire guidance in urban or woodland clutter theatre. You assume I don't know the depth of ATGM, brah you assume wrongly

Mini Spike 1.5 km range won't do well for NA against ISWAP ZSU-23 AAA 2.5 km range. I prefer Red Arrow like low budget nations Rwanda, South Sudan use.

No weapon is 100% accurate, is DSHK 100%? No! So armies should not use it again for that reason?

It's called Single Shot Hit Probability and varies in percentage for each discharger and projectile. Tanks cannon are far worse in hit rate than ATGM.

76mm cannon on NA Scorpion averages below 10% hit rate on BHT Hilux speeding​ 80 kmh at 2 km distance, but ATGM guidance can make 80% single shot hit rate while Scorpion fake tank fires 8 shells and misses, wasting all of them till BHT swings 23mm x 2 cannon on it and kill the Nigerian Scorpion dead.

I just explained how we are losing FOB with heavy weapons, I also explained solution, it's precision guided infantry missiles that will degrade ISWAP to foot men with AK-47 and RPG that has less than 180 metres good accuracy range, while we massacre these enemies with DSHK & AGL, 1,000 m & 2,000 m accuracy range.

I have said much, it's enough for open minded readers, I need to stop or else there will be no end of discussion.

Jimi24:
ATGMs dont work in the heat of battle....set up time too long and then it is at least 45s to take out a "technical ". ATGM emplacements and crews can be taken out by snipers or more often suicide bombers. We know BHT spends days on recce before they attack formations. The recce is high endurance stuff involving staying inside the mud and grime for hours and days..tracking and observing.
The whole point of ATGM for base defence is too defensive to be a philosophy for eradicating BHT.
Hunting and killing is what we intend to do and that's choppers, artillery, MLRSs and fast MRAPs

You say ATGM don't work in heat of battle because it's 45 seconds set up time is too long? For the 6 hour long fights our FOB guards fight BHT assaults before our base falls? How? Even Metele firefight our troops lost base in 45 minutes, they would have fired off 10 ATGMs in 30 minutes and all the powerful ISWAP anti-aircraft Hilux gun trucks that defeated us would have been destroyed, leaving weak DSHK, PKM vehicles and AK-47, RPG men on foot that we will grind to powder with our own DSHK, NSV, and LG AGL, to win the day for us, and win every other day if we resupply expended ordnance.

Bruz, this North East war is mission impossible because NA leadership makes it look so.

kikuyu2:
Yes! As the link showed Chinese analogs like the HJ-8 built in the late 80s are 50% less but the newer models like the -11 and -12 are only 20-30% less in cost. Due to the tech involved,guidance seeker,flight motor,cutting edge production processes etc,etc its not possible to go below a certain price point. See the Javelin diagram.

This Ukrainian buy shows the cost breakdown of roughly 200k$ a piece for the Jav:
https://www.voanews.com/usa/us-prepares-39m-anti-tank-javelin-missiles-ukraine

If I'm reading you correctly static bases each with cheap ATGMs and a sole launcher will defeat BH. Do you have a source for those bargain basement ATGMs?

Donor grants to Academic Board funds us for exchange programs, trips to security Think Tanks, excursions to OEMs, field demo public sales promos. Yes low calibre ATGM is cheap in Belarus, Pak, Serb, etc, get a good deal negotiator not weak negotiators Govts always send because they hold high office.

NA can deploy 3 ATGM launchers per FOB, I only said one launcher on a low fund of $50 million. NA gets $180 m average per year for capital procurement, COAS confirmed $120 m for army alone in 2020 capital procurement.

Gentleman do I hav 2 xplain everytin? Am tired writing long story

Man port PGM is a killer ECOWAS armies can't grasp it's game changing because their armies never fired ATGM in their life time. Can't keep explaining details without incentive for my labour sir and expensive Javelin is for killing ERA APS MBT not BHT Hilux.

Jimi24:
Obviously some people are not looking at the evolution of the enemy and what the NA is doing to counter.
We are going into super camps. Super camps are the basis on which you squeeze territory from temporary enemy occupation via aggressive patrols. The Choppers are stationed at super camps American style - watch vietnam footage or black hawk down set in Somalia. This was what the officer meant about the chopper being in the trench.. There are many ways it is technically feasible.
Shooting off ATGMs is probably only useful as part of base defense but honestly I would rather buy recoiless rifles.
What Nigeria now needs of NAF is not tactical strikes but longer range high tonnage bombings. Let NA choppers AirCalvary kill BHT at every ambush they set up.

Same Super Camp its supporters now say is failing? How many armed helicopters will NA buy to base in all Super Camps creating army aviation corps? NAF owns 50 heavy armour heavy firepower Mi-171, Mi-24, Mi-35, add 20 un-armoured EC-135, Puma, new AW-109, NAF has 70 armed choppers flying 24/7 rotation, yet cant cover all of Nigeria. Gentlemen dont you understand simple limitation of air power?

Armed tiny copters have very short flight time airborne, need daily maintenance per hour flown, burn daily fuel. Better NA arms every FOB with cheap no maintenance required easy carry around man portable PGM to defend itself. Recoilless Rifles are obsolete, unguided, short range, poor accuracy, so armies phased them out long ago, it will miss moving Hiliux, may collaterally damage civilian lives. Infantry man PGM will wipe out all BHT Hilux Jeeps in 6 months unless they stop attacking us with vehicles. We eliminate their gun trucks, turn ISWAP to walking weary foot soldiers, then we wipe them out these footmen with DSHK & LG3 AGL. After 10 years using same type weapons, its time NA tries something new if they want new results. Only madmen repeat same thing expecting different result.

Black Hawk Down movie real life event shows weakness of large fleet armed choppers fleet. Dozens of armed choppers flew 24 hours, yet could not free trapped US troops, that US General had to beg Pakistani army to send convoy of MBT, APC, IFV to rescue US soldiers, only then did they get out of Mogadishu alive. Am tired of writing !!! Our people no dey hear word?

kikuyu2:
That's why they operate in pairs. Also a pair of 3 tube 2.75 inch rockets. The pic shows the ordnance. I know of a flight of 6 MD 500s on an operation against Toposa cattle rustlers in '86 beyond L Turkana who flew a combined 20 hours! Its range is actually quite handy-
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/md-530g-scout-attack-helicopter/

A squadron given the usual combat/training/maintenance cycle should be more than adequate for your NE. If you were facing conventional mech forces,yes you'd need heavier gunships.

The KDF actually performed as expected-the training,equipment,platforms and tactics all worked except for the terrible El Adde attack due to the criminally negligent coy commander who ignored all advice and intel. The aircav is only one tool in the entire tactical playbook-its not a magic wand and must be properly utilised in conjunction with ground forces. Fyi,over 3000 AS militants have died within Somalia at KDF hands though its impossible to apportion a percentage purely to the Aircav.

Those ATGMs cost at least 200k$ a pop!? Will you use them against a BH group of 12 gun trucks attacking a coy FOB? Srsly?
http://nationsdawnofanera.weebly.com/anti-tank-guided-missile.html

Warfighting is also about economics. The .50 BMG ball&tracer 100 rounds costs roughly 250$ on the. high side.
https://www.wikiarms.com/group/50BMG
You do know the .50 BMG will penetrate even heavy AFVs within a 100m? When fired from a manoeuvring platform by a flyguy who knows his poo they're not that easy to shoot down. I know a few 50 Aircav guys,including one who was shot down 1984 by Somali bandits in Kenya.

My broz, Warthunder is a lecturer in this field, he knows much more than you wrote. He reviewed all spec details of MD-500, it wont defeat ISWAP. Army must be strong on its land. This year June, one Jihadist used ordinary 7.62mm PKM to shoot down a good French armed Gazelle helic, news on internet.

Infantry ATGM low calibre versions made in China Ukraine Pakistan cost only $20 a pop new build, $10k storage stock. Very cheap east side, not USA Javelin. I blame NA because they dont shop right, Little $50 m buys 100 ATGMs launchers (covers all 100 FOBs) with 2,000 missiles for NA, now does ISWAP, BHT have 2,000 Hilux gun trucks to fight such NA in new MTOE & TDA?

EVarn:
Hopefully, it would be a comprehensive package over a specified period of time. The Russians are very flexible people we can work with.

I dont understand because Buhari said this exact same thing 4 years ago, but we saw only Mi-35. Why cant Govt publish this draft list so we see how our money is spent? Every kobo on weapons is painful but needful sacrifice by 100 million extreme poverty hungry Nigerians who stay suffering as we remove funds from jobs-micro business creation to war. Good news Russia.

Sizzorkay:
How many towns does BH have to defend? How many cities? How many people?
Without US air power, they can't do much, airpower is king, without it,then you have no edge over the enemy.
NA is spread thin, BH or Iswap isn't, to compare how they operate to that of the state is ridiculous. When you have small military units spread all over the place, BH or whatever simply have to overwhelm their position. So it doesn't matter if BH have tank or not, fact is NA cant have tanks every where and in every village, and BH have zero responsibilities to protect people, towns or villages.
To some of you guys often mouthing off, without that same Military, your mothers and sisters would be ISIS brides by now.
It's war, setbacks happen, show some respect and actually say "Thank you" to these soldiers, without them, there will be no Nigeria.
And if they were not doing their job, BH or ISWAP would be running the country from Abuja by now
And if you want peace and victory, fvking volunteer, join the military, those guys living in trenches , fighting and dying for Nigeria don't have two heads, they are people like you

Nothing is new to me in all you said, I know far beyond those your elementary points, at my pay grade. Not a brag pls, just saying.

Acting 'Mr. Nice Guy' does not make your points correct. You are technically wrong.

Also wrong of you to say any willing volunteer can get recruited, get rifle, get deployed on tour of duty. Army chooses who joins it, I cannot grab military service by force.

I did not mouth off low file soldiers dying in frontline, don't slander me pls.

I mouthed off those alive, not facing deadly combat, given power to make important decisions but unable to judge right, shop right, pick good procurement options with $3 billion cash given them. Citizens not holding leadership of institutions accountable and questionable is one reason this war ravages us so long.

Not only you says thank you to troops who sacrifice, we all do it. You are just like many who played Mr. Nice and praised Super Camp when announced, while we said immediately that it was wrong strategy made by senior generals, it was large scale tactical retreat in 'disguise' when army saw it's hidden weakness repeatedly exposed to the whole world by losing many FOBs. I don't join crowd to gain majority.

Again I say, massive fleet 70 armed helicopters don't give Kenya's good army victory over Al Shabaab because air power has limits, serious armies act smart to buy alternative land based weapons-equipment to survive without constant air support, distribute them to all fighting units as standard issue, without it no formation deploys to fight and risk breeching rules of regimental BTOE and augmentation MTOE or evolution TDA.

Armies don't win war by justifying bad decisions, outdated legacy thinking. Grab cold beer with suya for your Friday night brah while you read those bulky NAF seminar papers I recommended for enlightenment.

Please, we cannot blame this current NAF, just read all seminar papers by NAF on Limitations of Air Power 2019.

Any army full of of overseas trained officers academy and MSc graduates that says it cannot defeat totally illiterate primary school drop out BHT ISWAP unless government buys them dozens of army owned combat helicopters, that army is a failure.

How many aircraft does Boko Haram have? How many tanks, artillery, MRAP, APC, does ISWAP have?

That tiny, soft skin, cheap armed helicopter is not good for this deadly war, 300 bullets gun pod is too small. It flies only 2 hours airborne so add base distance it stays like just 15 minutes in combat zone, our troops fight 6 hours long battles. No armour, GPMG 7.62mm can shoot it down like it shot down some French Gazelles recently in Mali. ISWAP BHT that has anti-aircraft and shot down Alpha jets, heavily damage well armoured Mi-24. its them our army wants to fly against in light helicopters?

Govt cant spend $600 million on Super Tucano, $300 million on Mi-35 and still invest money to buy enough of really capable army helicopters to create another second air force with our weak economy causing low budget.

Our army is joking, how will helicopters be stationed in frontline trenches beside soldiers like a Jeep? No army on earth keeps air support helicopters in frontline trenches. Army officer that does not know complexities of aircraft fleet maintenance and ground support facilities wants to park helicopters like Hilux Jeep beside troops in trenches! May this army not waste us.

NAF is flying against Delta militants, N.W. bandits, N.E. terrorists, N.C. herdsmen, ocean pirates, nationwide armed robbers, all the same time, with how many aircraft? If NAF flies without maintenance down time per hours of flight per aircraft and pilots fatigue, NAF will have air crashes daily! They cannot do more than these tens of thousands of sorties per season, it's called technical limitation of air power. 70 armed helicopters owned by Kenya has not given Kenyan army victory over Somali insurgents, yes 70 combat helicopters wont win CT-COIN. An army must be well equipped to win on land.

Nigerian army is not serious, see, when air support is not always guaranteed, armies around the world have alternatives, they use man portable anti-tank thermobaric missiles to kill off gun truck vehicles in large scale insurgent attacks, then use heavy machine guns to wipe out foot insurgents in hundreds.

US, UK, and allied army infantry men fired off over 30,000 TOW, MILAN, Javelin etc against Taliban and ISIS in one decade of CT-COIN.
NA refuses to induct any infantry missile or KPV, or ZPU as options to NAF air support for decades, but now they want squadrons of army helicopters to defeat enemies that have no aircraft. Why?

Air fleet of combat helicopters is huge cost to maintain serviceable 24/7, prone to air crash, shoot down by anti-aircraft, can be overrun at army aviation base if poorly equipped garrison platoons retreat overwhelmed.

Drones owned by army are much needed, NA has many DJI, Govt. should add squadrons of Gulma UAV to our army owned airborne ISR to cover all N.E. land mass. How many armies on earth own fleets of combat helicopters? Is lack of own gunships a reason to lose war? An army planning to win land based war using armed helicopters forgets the enemy can get MANPADS. A good army must plan to win by operating on land, it's traditional battle space.

$180 million is average annual capital procurement budget for NA. Factor special war funds, means 2009 to 2019 Nigerian army was paid nearly
$3 billion to buy new equipment. All we see are poorly armed armoured, and soft skin no armour vehicles parading DSHK like it's Nigeria's nuclear weapon for victory.

ISWAP entered Nigeria, and with BHT they hold our once upon a time mighty Nigerian Army down to a forever stalemate. We are not happy, we want real victory and a Nigeria free from war.