kikuyu2:


Definitely! Also to avoid inter arms delays requesting support across service lines from Army to AF you need your own CAS capability. At least 2 squadrons of cheap,easy maintenance,light attack gunships in an army unit like the 50 Aircav we have here in 3 squadrons,a mix of 500 MDs and 530 Fs,36 in number. Operating in pairs they can put serious hurt on uglies with their .50 BMGs and 2.75 inch rockets.

God bless you for speaking the truth sir, the synergy can never be the same as depending on another arm for air support those days are long gone. I was highly impressed when I saw the Kenyan army aviation corp in compat again insurgents and it was at night sef.

New sets of military and police vehicles from innoson #ProudlyNigeria #MadeInNigeria

Nigeria police helicopter cockpit view

oyinpr:
God bless you for speaking the truth sir, the synergy can never be the same as depending on another arm for air support those days are long gone. I was highly impressed when I saw the Kenyan army aviation corp in compat again insurgents and it was at night sef.

Just seen this today!

The major factor that hinders the Nigerian army from defeating Boko Haram is the lack of an “army aviation,” the man who heads the army’s operations against the terror group said.
Olusegun Adeniyi, who is the Theater Commander of the army’s Operation Lafiya Dole, said this when he received a delegation of the National Assembly joint committee on the army on Thursday.
Mr Adeniyi, a major general, took over the command of the military’s counter-insurgency operation about two months ago.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/357102-why-nigerian-army-has-not-defeated-boko-haram-theatre-commander.html

He also sees the obvious and frankl;y having followed the BH issue for 7 years here I'm now convinced while the West ,specifically France is secretly supplying them some state forces are happy with the status quo!

Look at this:

The war general said Boko Haram has never been a “formidable force” as they are perceived to be.
“The only thing that needs to be given to the army now is Nigeria Army Aviation,” he said.
“There is a way you solve a problem that will change the game. The army needs combat helicopters to end the Boko Haram war. If we have it, it will not be deployed like air force assets, air force jets which are for bigger strategic goals.
“These helicopters will sleep with us in the trench, they will be with us in the front line. These helicopters and the rifles are dispatched together.
“I know this has been on the table for years. When this is done, Nigeria can forget about Boko Haram.”

This should actually have been done at the beginning-that it hasn't til now means there's a hidden agenda and tbh,Naij Army Aviation may remain a dream on these pages,indefinitely,I'm sorry to say.

SamuelAnyawu:



If Airforce responds to all attacks ISWAP will never ever attack any FOBs or military base in the Northeast.

This war is "the more you look the less you see"

You talk like NAF has enough platforms to respond to all attack!!

kikuyu2:


Just seen this today!


https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/357102-why-nigerian-army-has-not-defeated-boko-haram-theatre-commander.html

He also sees the obvious and frankl;y having followed the BH issue for 7 years here I'm now convinced while the West ,specifically France is secretly supplying them some state forces are happy with the status quo!

Look at this:

This should actually have been done at the beginning-that it hasn't til now means there's a hidden agenda and tbh,Naij Army Aviation may remain a dream on these pages,indefinitely,I'm sorry to say.

And this article was published today, wow.

If Nigerian Army can sustain it, they should get the money then.
They can go for something small like the MD 530F helicopter. A dozen or two should do.

kikuyu2:


Just seen this today!


https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/357102-why-nigerian-army-has-not-defeated-boko-haram-theatre-commander.html

He also sees the obvious and frankl;y having followed the BH issue for 7 years here I'm now convinced while the West ,specifically France is secretly supplying them some state forces are happy with the status quo!

Look at this:

This should actually have been done at the beginning-that it hasn't til now means there's a hidden agenda and tbh,Naij Army Aviation may remain a dream on these pages,indefinitely,I'm sorry to say.

Good you pointed this out. With the super camp strategy in place, one will expect that the army authourity will quickly follow up with the introduction of combat helos in these FOBs. The avaiation corp of the army needs to be fully equipped for this purpose. It could very well be the game changer in this war.
The portuguese army in the CAR are deploying their air assets in support of ground troops to smoke out rebels. This has proven be an effective strategy. Heavily relying on the NAF is proving too costly of late. It is a no-brainer that this is the right direction to go.

persius555:


Good you pointed this out. With the super camp strategy in place, one will expect that the army authourity will quickly follow up with the introduction of combat helos in these FOBs. The avaiation corp of the army needs to be fully equipped for this purpose. It could very well be the game changer in this war.
The portuguese army in the CAR are deploying their air assets in support of ground troops to smoke out rebels. This has proven be an effective strategy. Heavily relying on the NAF is proving too costly of late. It is a no-brainer that this is the right direction to go.

the distance between the NAF base and troops area of ops is too far..It's only air interdiction NAF is capable of perform at this point in time

Xbee007:

And this article was published today, wow.

If Nigerian Army can sustain it, they should get the money then.
They can go for something small like the MD 530F helicopter. A dozen or two should do.

part payment has already been made for 2 H125 helicopters

oyinpr:
part payment has already been made for 2 H125 helicopters

Two units are too small. Like 3 in every super camp.

Someone was saying something about armed drone too. Just that armed drone ordinances are kinda expensive.

Xbee007:

And this article was published today, wow.

If Nigerian Army can sustain it, they should get the money then.
They can go for something small like the MD 530F helicopter. A dozen or two should do.

IMO MD 530F fits the bill perfectly

Low cost since it is based on a civilian version

Low cost maintenance since it taps into civilian supply chain

Low operational footprint since a general trailer can carry all required consumables and field testers and support the same almost anywhere

Anyways NA had sent some officers to IA aviation facilities for familiarisation studies long time back more than a year or so.

The is the general procedure if any nation wants to setup new capabilities , they send officers to other countries to study the same and then formulate own requirements and tactics according to own needs and operational conditions back home.

oyinpr:
God bless you for speaking the truth sir, the synergy can never be the same as depending on another arm for air support those days are long gone. I was highly impressed when I saw the Kenyan army aviation corp in compat again insurgents and it was at night sef.

You also need to engineer the super camps properly. Hardened or semi buried shelters for quick deployment of army choppers. There is no EU made chopper that can do this job, I know NA is buying AS 350s but only American choppers like hueys have the rugged engines and airframe to do this job.

Nigerian Military

Jimi24:


You also need to engineer the super camps properly. Hardened or semi buried shelters for quick deployment of army choppers. There is no EU made chopper that can do this job, I know NA is buying AS 350s but only American choppers like hueys have the rugged engines and airframe to do this job.

the gazelle is a potent bird too nimble and fast, the French army deploy them in Mali and Chad. But why can't the army just purchase the surplus TOW armed MBB BO105's in the Air force's inventory?

Korean army MBB BO-105

Ng

Please, we cannot blame this current NAF, just read all seminar papers by NAF on Limitations of Air Power 2019.

Any army full of of overseas trained officers academy and MSc graduates that says it cannot defeat totally illiterate primary school drop out BHT ISWAP unless government buys them dozens of army owned combat helicopters, that army is a failure.

How many aircraft does Boko Haram have? How many tanks, artillery, MRAP, APC, does ISWAP have?

That tiny, soft skin, cheap armed helicopter is not good for this deadly war, 300 bullets gun pod is too small. It flies only 2 hours airborne so add base distance it stays like just 15 minutes in combat zone, our troops fight 6 hours long battles. No armour, GPMG 7.62mm can shoot it down like it shot down some French Gazelles recently in Mali. ISWAP BHT that has anti-aircraft and shot down Alpha jets, heavily damage well armoured Mi-24. its them our army wants to fly against in light helicopters?

Govt cant spend $600 million on Super Tucano, $300 million on Mi-35 and still invest money to buy enough of really capable army helicopters to create another second air force with our weak economy causing low budget.

Our army is joking, how will helicopters be stationed in frontline trenches beside soldiers like a Jeep? No army on earth keeps air support helicopters in frontline trenches. Army officer that does not know complexities of aircraft fleet maintenance and ground support facilities wants to park helicopters like Hilux Jeep beside troops in trenches! May this army not waste us.

NAF is flying against Delta militants, N.W. bandits, N.E. terrorists, N.C. herdsmen, ocean pirates, nationwide armed robbers, all the same time, with how many aircraft? If NAF flies without maintenance down time per hours of flight per aircraft and pilots fatigue, NAF will have air crashes daily! They cannot do more than these tens of thousands of sorties per season, it's called technical limitation of air power. 70 armed helicopters owned by Kenya has not given Kenyan army victory over Somali insurgents, yes 70 combat helicopters wont win CT-COIN. An army must be well equipped to win on land.

Nigerian army is not serious, see, when air support is not always guaranteed, armies around the world have alternatives, they use man portable anti-tank thermobaric missiles to kill off gun truck vehicles in large scale insurgent attacks, then use heavy machine guns to wipe out foot insurgents in hundreds.

US, UK, and allied army infantry men fired off over 30,000 TOW, MILAN, Javelin etc against Taliban and ISIS in one decade of CT-COIN.
NA refuses to induct any infantry missile or KPV, or ZPU as options to NAF air support for decades, but now they want squadrons of army helicopters to defeat enemies that have no aircraft. Why?

Air fleet of combat helicopters is huge cost to maintain serviceable 24/7, prone to air crash, shoot down by anti-aircraft, can be overrun at army aviation base if poorly equipped garrison platoons retreat overwhelmed.

Drones owned by army are much needed, NA has many DJI, Govt. should add squadrons of Gulma UAV to our army owned airborne ISR to cover all N.E. land mass. How many armies on earth own fleets of combat helicopters? Is lack of own gunships a reason to lose war? An army planning to win land based war using armed helicopters forgets the enemy can get MANPADS. A good army must plan to win by operating on land, it's traditional battle space.

$180 million is average annual capital procurement budget for NA. Factor special war funds, means 2009 to 2019 Nigerian army was paid nearly
$3 billion to buy new equipment. All we see are poorly armed armoured, and soft skin no armour vehicles parading DSHK like it's Nigeria's nuclear weapon for victory.

ISWAP entered Nigeria, and with BHT they hold our once upon a time mighty Nigerian Army down to a forever stalemate. We are not happy, we want real victory and a Nigeria free from war.

How many towns does BH have to defend? How many cities? How many people?
Without US air power, they can't do much, airpower is king, without it,then you have no edge over the enemy.
NA is spread thin, BH or Iswap isn't, to compare how they operate to that of the state is ridiculous. When you have small military units spread all over the place, BH or whatever simply have to overwhelm their position. So it doesn't matter if BH have tank or not, fact is NA cant have tanks every where and in every village, and BH have zero responsibilities to protect people, towns or villages.
To some of you guys often mouthing off, without that same Military, your mothers and sisters would be ISIS brides by now.
It's war, setbacks happen, show some respect and actually say "Thank you" to these soldiers, without them, there will be no Nigeria.
And if they were not doing their job, BH or ISWAP would be running the country from Abuja by now
And if you want peace and victory, fvking volunteer, join the military, those guys living in trenches , fighting and dying for Nigeria don't have two heads, they are people like you

WARTHUNDER:
Please, we cannot blame this current NAF, just read all seminar papers by NAF on Limitations of Air Power 2019.

Any army full of of overseas trained officers academy and MSc graduates that says it cannot defeat totally illiterate primary school drop out BHT ISWAP unless government buys them dozens of army owned combat helicopters, that army is a failure.

How many aircraft does Boko Haram have? How many tanks, artillery, MRAP, APC, does ISWAP have?

That tiny, soft skin, cheap armed helicopter is not good for this deadly war, 300 bullets gun pod is too small. It flies only 2 hours airborne so add base distance it stays like just 15 minutes in combat zone, our troops fight 6 hours long battles. No armour, GPMG 7.62mm can shoot it down like it shot down some French Gazelles recently in Mali. ISWAP BHT that has anti-aircraft and shot down Alpha jets, heavily damage well armoured Mi-24. its them our army wants to fly against in light helicopters?

Govt cant spend $600 million on Super Tucano, $300 million on Mi-35 and still invest money to buy enough of really capable army helicopters to create another second air force with our weak economy causing low budget.

Our army is joking, how will helicopters be stationed in frontline trenches beside soldiers like a Jeep? No army on earth keeps air support helicopters in frontline trenches. Army officer that does not know complexities of aircraft fleet maintenance and ground support facilities wants to park helicopters like Hilux Jeep beside troops in trenches! May this army not waste us.

NAF is flying against Delta militants, N.W. bandits, N.E. terrorists, N.C. herdsmen, ocean pirates, nationwide armed robbers, all the same time, with how many aircraft? If NAF flies without maintenance down time per hours of flight per aircraft and pilots fatigue, NAF will have air crashes daily! They cannot do more than these tens of thousands of sorties per season, it's called technical limitation of air power. 70 armed helicopters owned by Kenya has not given Kenyan army victory over Somali insurgents, yes 70 combat helicopters wont win CT-COIN. An army must be well equipped to win on land.

Nigerian army is not serious, see, when air support is not always guaranteed, armies around the world have alternatives, they use man portable anti-tank thermobaric missiles to kill off gun truck vehicles in large scale insurgent attacks, then use heavy machine guns to wipe out foot insurgents in hundreds.

US, UK, and allied army infantry men fired off over 30,000 TOW, MILAN, Javelin etc against Taliban and ISIS in one decade of CT-COIN.
NA refuses to induct any infantry missile or KPV, or ZPU as options to NAF air support for decades, but now they want squadrons of army helicopters to defeat enemies that have no aircraft. Why?

Air fleet of combat helicopters is huge cost to maintain serviceable 24/7, prone to air crash, shoot down by anti-aircraft, can be overrun at army aviation base if poorly equipped garrison platoons retreat overwhelmed.

Drones owned by army are much needed, NA has many DJI, Govt. should add squadrons of Gulma UAV to our army owned airborne ISR to cover all N.E. land mass. How many armies on earth own fleets of combat helicopters? Is lack of own gunships a reason to lose war? An army planning to win land based war using armed helicopters forgets the enemy can get MANPADS. A good army must plan to win by operating on land, it's traditional battle space.

$180 million is average annual capital procurement budget for NA. Factor special war funds, means 2009 to 2019 Nigerian army was paid nearly
$3 billion to buy new equipment. All we see are poorly armed armoured, and soft skin no armour vehicles parading DSHK like it's Nigeria's nuclear weapon for victory.

ISWAP entered Nigeria, and with BHT they hold our once upon a time mighty Nigerian Army down to a forever stalemate. We are not happy, we want real victory and a Nigeria free from war.

Sizzorkay:
How many towns does BH have to defend? How many cities? How many people?
Without US air power, they can't do much, airpower is king, without it,then you have no edge over the enemy.
NA is spread thin, BH or Iswap isn't, to compare how they operate to that of the state is ridiculous. When you have small military units spread all over the place, BH or whatever simply have to overwhelm their position. So it doesn't matter if BH have tank or not, fact is NA cant have tanks every where and in every village, and BH have zero responsibilities to protect people, towns or villages.
To some of you guys often mouthing off, without that same Military, your mothers and sisters would be ISIS brides by now.
It's war, setbacks happen, show some respect and actually say "Thank you" to these soldiers, without them, there will be no Nigeria.
And if they were not doing their job, BH or ISWAP would be running the country from Abuja by now
And if you want peace and victory, fvking volunteer, join the military, those guys living in trenches , fighting and dying for Nigeria don't have two heads, they are people like you

Nothing is new to me in all you said, I know far beyond those your elementary points, at my pay grade. Not a brag pls, just saying.

Acting 'Mr. Nice Guy' does not make your points correct. You are technically wrong.

Also wrong of you to say any willing volunteer can get recruited, get rifle, get deployed on tour of duty. Army chooses who joins it, I cannot grab military service by force.

I did not mouth off low file soldiers dying in frontline, don't slander me pls.

I mouthed off those alive, not facing deadly combat, given power to make important decisions but unable to judge right, shop right, pick good procurement options with $3 billion cash given them. Citizens not holding leadership of institutions accountable and questionable is one reason this war ravages us so long.

Not only you says thank you to troops who sacrifice, we all do it. You are just like many who played Mr. Nice and praised Super Camp when announced, while we said immediately that it was wrong strategy made by senior generals, it was large scale tactical retreat in 'disguise' when army saw it's hidden weakness repeatedly exposed to the whole world by losing many FOBs. I don't join crowd to gain majority.

Again I say, massive fleet 70 armed helicopters don't give Kenya's good army victory over Al Shabaab because air power has limits, serious armies act smart to buy alternative land based weapons-equipment to survive without constant air support, distribute them to all fighting units as standard issue, without it no formation deploys to fight and risk breeching rules of regimental BTOE and augmentation MTOE or evolution TDA.

Armies don't win war by justifying bad decisions, outdated legacy thinking. Grab cold beer with suya for your Friday night brah while you read those bulky NAF seminar papers I recommended for enlightenment.

Obviously some people are not looking at the evolution of the enemy and what the NA is doing to counter.
We are going into super camps. Super camps are the basis on which you squeeze territory from temporary enemy occupation via aggressive patrols. The Choppers are stationed at super camps American style - watch vietnam footage or black hawk down set in Somalia. This was what the officer meant about the chopper being in the trench.. There are many ways it is technically feasible.
Shooting off ATGMs is probably only useful as part of base defense but honestly I would rather buy recoiless rifles.
What Nigeria now needs of NAF is not tactical strikes but longer range high tonnage bombings. Let NA choppers AirCalvary kill BHT at every ambush they set up.

President Muhammadu Buhari has looked to Russian President, Vladimir Putin, for much needed military support to combat the resurgent Boko Haram terrorists in the North-East.
Citing a report on Kremlin’s RIA news agency, Reuterssaid PMB will sign a Military Technical Cooperation deal with the eastern European state in the Russian town of Sochi before the end of October.
Nigeria’s ambassador in Russia, Stephen Ogbah, said, “We’re sure that with Russian help we’ll manage to crush Boko Haram given its experience combating Islamic State in Syria.”
The Buhari administration had in 2018 paid $496m for the purchase of some Tucano jets from the United States, which it said would be delivered in 2020.
According to Ogbah, Nigeria is interested in buying Russian helicopters, planes, tanks and other military equipment, adding that a draft version of the deal had already been finalised.
He added, “We hope President Buhari can take the talks to their logical end. The agreement will open new possibilities in such areas as the supply of military equipment and training for specialists.”
http://saharareporters.com/2019/10/11/buhari-turns-russia-combat-boko-haram?

BabaOwen:
President Muhammadu Buhari has looked to Russian President, Vladimir Putin, for much needed military support to combat the resurgent Boko Haram terrorists in the North-East.
Citing a report on Kremlin’s RIA news agency, Reuterssaid PMB will sign a Military Technical Cooperation deal with the eastern European state in the Russian town of Sochi before the end of October.
Nigeria’s ambassador in Russia, Stephen Ogbah, said, “We’re sure that with Russian help we’ll manage to crush Boko Haram given its experience combating Islamic State in Syria.”
The Buhari administration had in 2018 paid $496m for the purchase of some Tucano jets from the United States, which it said would be delivered in 2020.
According to Ogbah, Nigeria is interested in buying Russian helicopters, planes, tanks and other military equipment, adding that a draft version of the deal had already been finalised.
He added, “We hope President Buhari can take the talks to their logical end. The agreement will open new possibilities in such areas as the supply of military equipment and training for specialists.”
http://saharareporters.com/2019/10/11/buhari-turns-russia-combat-boko-haram?

Hopefully, it would be a comprehensive package over a specified period of time. The Russians are very flexible people we can work with.

WARTHUNDER:
Please, we cannot blame this current NAF, just read all seminar papers by NAF on Limitations of Air Power 2019.

Any army full of of overseas trained officers academy and MSc graduates that says it cannot defeat totally illiterate primary school drop out BHT ISWAP unless government buys them dozens of army owned combat helicopters, that army is a failure.

How many aircraft does Boko Haram have? How many tanks, artillery, MRAP, APC, does ISWAP have?

That tiny, soft skin, cheap armed helicopter is not good for this deadly war, 300 bullets gun pod is too small. It flies only 2 hours airborne so add base distance it stays like just 15 minutes in combat zone, our troops fight 6 hours long battles. No armour, GPMG 7.62mm can shoot it down like it shot down some French Gazelles recently in Mali. ISWAP BHT that has anti-aircraft and shot down Alpha jets, heavily damage well armoured Mi-24. its them our army wants to fly against in light helicopters?

Govt cant spend $600 million on Super Tucano, $300 million on Mi-35 and still invest money to buy enough of really capable army helicopters to create another second air force with our weak economy causing low budget.

Our army is joking, how will helicopters be stationed in frontline trenches beside soldiers like a Jeep? No army on earth keeps air support helicopters in frontline trenches. Army officer that does not know complexities of aircraft fleet maintenance and ground support facilities wants to park helicopters like Hilux Jeep beside troops in trenches! May this army not waste us.

NAF is flying against Delta militants, N.W. bandits, N.E. terrorists, N.C. herdsmen, ocean pirates, nationwide armed robbers, all the same time, with how many aircraft? If NAF flies without maintenance down time per hours of flight per aircraft and pilots fatigue, NAF will have air crashes daily! They cannot do more than these tens of thousands of sorties per season, it's called technical limitation of air power. 70 armed helicopters owned by Kenya has not given Kenyan army victory over Somali insurgents, yes 70 combat helicopters wont win CT-COIN. An army must be well equipped to win on land.

Nigerian army is not serious, see, when air support is not always guaranteed, armies around the world have alternatives, they use man portable anti-tank thermobaric missiles to kill off gun truck vehicles in large scale insurgent attacks, then use heavy machine guns to wipe out foot insurgents in hundreds.

US, UK, and allied army infantry men fired off over 30,000 TOW, MILAN, Javelin etc against Taliban and ISIS in one decade of CT-COIN.
NA refuses to induct any infantry missile or KPV, or ZPU as options to NAF air support for decades, but now they want squadrons of army helicopters to defeat enemies that have no aircraft. Why?

Air fleet of combat helicopters is huge cost to maintain serviceable 24/7, prone to air crash, shoot down by anti-aircraft, can be overrun at army aviation base if poorly equipped garrison platoons retreat overwhelmed.

Drones owned by army are much needed, NA has many DJI, Govt. should add squadrons of Gulma UAV to our army owned airborne ISR to cover all N.E. land mass. How many armies on earth own fleets of combat helicopters? Is lack of own gunships a reason to lose war? An army planning to win land based war using armed helicopters forgets the enemy can get MANPADS. A good army must plan to win by operating on land, it's traditional battle space.

$180 million is average annual capital procurement budget for NA. Factor special war funds, means 2009 to 2019 Nigerian army was paid nearly
$3 billion to buy new equipment. All we see are poorly armed armoured, and soft skin no armour vehicles parading DSHK like it's Nigeria's nuclear weapon for victory.

ISWAP entered Nigeria, and with BHT they hold our once upon a time mighty Nigerian Army down to a forever stalemate. We are not happy, we want real victory and a Nigeria free from war.

That's why they operate in pairs. Also a pair of 3 tube 2.75 inch rockets. The pic shows the ordnance. I know of a flight of 6 MD 500s on an operation against Toposa cattle rustlers in '86 beyond L Turkana who flew a combined 20 hours! Its range is actually quite handy-

It has a maximum permitted speed of 282km/h at sea level and can fly to a range of 426km. The MD 530G can operate for two and a half hours with an auxiliary fuel tank.

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/md-530g-scout-attack-helicopter/

A squadron given the usual combat/training/maintenance cycle should be more than adequate for your NE. If you were facing conventional mech forces,yes you'd need heavier gunships.

The KDF actually performed as expected-the training,equipment,platforms and tactics all worked except for the terrible El Adde attack due to the criminally negligent coy commander who ignored all advice and intel. The aircav is only one tool in the entire tactical playbook-its not a magic wand and must be properly utilised in conjunction with ground forces. Fyi,over 3000 AS militants have died within Somalia at KDF hands though its impossible to apportion a percentage purely to the Aircav.

Those ATGMs cost at least 200k$ a pop!? Will you use them against a BH group of 12 gun trucks attacking a coy FOB? Srsly?
http://nationsdawnofanera.weebly.com/anti-tank-guided-missile.html

Warfighting is also about economics. The .50 BMG ball&tracer 100 rounds costs roughly 250$ on the. high side.
https://www.wikiarms.com/group/50BMG
You do know the .50 BMG will penetrate even heavy AFVs within a 100m? When fired from a manoeuvring platform by a flyguy who knows his poo they're not that easy to shoot down. I know a few 50 Aircav guys,including one who was shot down 1984 by Somali bandits in Kenya.

EVarn:
Hopefully, it would be a comprehensive package over a specified period of time. The Russians are very flexible people we can work with.

I dont understand because Buhari said this exact same thing 4 years ago, but we saw only Mi-35. Why cant Govt publish this draft list so we see how our money is spent? Every kobo on weapons is painful but needful sacrifice by 100 million extreme poverty hungry Nigerians who stay suffering as we remove funds from jobs-micro business creation to war. Good news Russia.

kikuyu2:


That's why they operate in pairs. Also a pair of 3 tube 2.75 inch rockets. The pic shows the ordnance. I know of a flight of 6 MD 500s on an operation against Toposa cattle rustlers in '86 beyond L Turkana who flew a combined 20 hours! Its range is actually quite handy-
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/md-530g-scout-attack-helicopter/

A squadron given the usual combat/training/maintenance cycle should be more than adequate for your NE. If you were facing conventional mech forces,yes you'd need heavier gunships.

The KDF actually performed as expected-the training,equipment,platforms and tactics all worked except for the terrible El Adde attack due to the criminally negligent coy commander who ignored all advice and intel. The aircav is only one tool in the entire tactical playbook-its not a magic wand and must be properly utilised in conjunction with ground forces. Fyi,over 3000 AS militants have died within Somalia at KDF hands though its impossible to apportion a percentage purely to the Aircav.

Those ATGMs cost at least 200k$ a pop!? Will you use them against a BH group of 12 gun trucks attacking a coy FOB? Srsly?
http://nationsdawnofanera.weebly.com/anti-tank-guided-missile.html

Warfighting is also about economics. The .50 BMG ball&tracer 100 rounds costs roughly 250$ on the. high side.
https://www.wikiarms.com/group/50BMG
You do know the .50 BMG will penetrate even heavy AFVs within a 100m? When fired from a manoeuvring platform by a flyguy who knows his poo they're not that easy to shoot down. I know a few 50 Aircav guys,including one who was shot down 1984 by Somali bandits in Kenya.

My broz, Warthunder is a lecturer in this field, he knows much more than you wrote. He reviewed all spec details of MD-500, it wont defeat ISWAP. Army must be strong on its land. This year June, one Jihadist used ordinary 7.62mm PKM to shoot down a good French armed Gazelle helic, news on internet.

Infantry ATGM low calibre versions made in China Ukraine Pakistan cost only $20 a pop new build, $10k storage stock. Very cheap east side, not USA Javelin. I blame NA because they dont shop right, Little $50 m buys 100 ATGMs launchers (covers all 100 FOBs) with 2,000 missiles for NA, now does ISWAP, BHT have 2,000 Hilux gun trucks to fight such NA in new MTOE & TDA?

NEWSBoko Haram: Troops kill 15 terrorists in BornoPublished on October 11, 2019 By Maina Maina

Fifteen members of the Boko Haram insurgents were reportedly killed during a fierce fight with troops at Jigalta village, 27 kilometres from Monguno Local Government Area of Borno State in the northeast Nigeria.

A statement by Col. Aminu Iliyasu,
Nigerian Army Operations Media Coordinator on Friday said, many of the terrorists escaped with severe gun shot wounds.

According to the statement, “Troops of 242 Battalion in conjunction with elements of Sector 2 Multinational Joint Task Force (MNJTF) Chadian Defence Forces (CDF) yesterday 10 October 2019 encountered a Boko Haram criminals’ ambush at Jigalta Village ahead of Marari, 27 kilometers from Monguno in Borno State while on a joint clearance operation.

“The criminals laid an ambush with 5 gun trucks and unconfirmed number of insurgents.

“However, the gallant troops responsively countered the ambush and decimated the uncoordinated criminals.

“Resultantly, 15 of the Boko Haram criminals were neutralized while few of them escaped with severe gun shot wounds.

“In addition, 2 Boko Haram gun trucks were destroyed while another 2 were captured.

“Also, 4 Dutshka Anti-Aircraft Guns, 9 AK 47 Rifles and a sizeable catche of ammunition were captured by the gallant troops.

“Unfortunately, one soldier paid the supreme sacrifice during the cross fire that ensued while a Chadian soldier was also wounded in action.

“The Commander Sector 3 Operation LAFIYA DOLE/MNJTF, Major General Abdulmalik Biu in company of the Commander Sector 2 MNJTF (CDF), Colonel Bokhit Ali, Commander Sector 3 Operation LAFIYA DOLE Artillery Brigade Brigadier General Jamiu Jimoh and Commander 3 Military Intelligence Brigade Colonel Abubakar Mohammed visited the jubilant troops at the location of the encounter.

“Major General Abdulmalik Biu commended the efforts of the troops and conveyed the Chief of Army Staff Lt Gen Tukur Yusuf Buratai’s appreciation and commendation as well as the Force Commander MNJTF Major General Chikezie Ude’s words of encouragement to the troops.

“Additionally, the Commander Sector 2 MNJTF (CDF) Colonel Bokhit Ali expressed his satisfaction with the collaborative effort and renewed his commitment to fighting the menace of the ISWAP/Boko Haram criminals’ insurgency together.

WARTHUNDER:


I dont understand because Buhari said this exact same thing 4 years ago, but we saw only Mi-35. Why cant Govt publish this draft list so we see how our money is spent? Every kobo on weapons is painful but needful sacrifice by 100 million extreme poverty hungry Nigerians who stay suffering as we remove funds from jobs-micro business creation to war. Good news Russia.

Hence,why we are being hopeful that maybe this time,something will come out of the deal. At least, if the Russian sources are to be believed.

Officially, Nigeria is not at war, but we all know the realities on ground. I believe the right thing to do at this stage is to borrow West, buy East and look inwards. Like you said, we can't continue this way; for the past ten years we have been budgeting huge sums for arms procurements without seeming to know what we are buying or even how to arm our military. I hope both the government and the brass sit up very soon.

WARTHUNDER:


My broz, am a lecturer in strategic studies so I know all you said, even much more. I reviewed every specs-details of all 70 KDF armed helos including Cobras gift from Jordan. 100 armed helics wont defeat powerful insurgency like ISWAP or Shabaab. Army must be strong in land theatre. This year June, one Jihadist used his ordinary 7.62mm PKM and shot down good French armed Gazelle, news on internet.

ATGM from China Ukraine Pakistan cost only $20 a pop new, $10k each 2nd hand. It's dirt cheap east side not USA Javelin overpriced west made. Reason I blame Nigerian Army that dont shop right and waste money.

I was surprised too when I saw his quote. 200K for an ATGM and against Boko Haram and ISWAP that lack the resources to launch a counter to missiles of any sort. Lol. Even old ATMG of the sort the Russians and other Eastern countries have in stock will do here. We don't need state-of-the-art ATGMs that cost more than an estate in Lekki
I also agree about the army needing to be strong in land theatre. It needs to acquire lots of short and long range rocket artillery, as well as long range convention artillery. This can replace air strikes when needed.

Thank goodness I'm not the only one that doesn't buy the lofty idea of air response for every attack.

The sad part of it is, 10yrs and we can only boast 2-5 commanders in this whole shebang that actually have their heads screwed on tight.

Jimi24:
Obviously some people are not looking at the evolution of the enemy and what the NA is doing to counter.
We are going into super camps. Super camps are the basis on which you squeeze territory from temporary enemy occupation via aggressive patrols. The Choppers are stationed at super camps American style - watch vietnam footage or black hawk down set in Somalia. This was what the officer meant about the chopper being in the trench.. There are many ways it is technically feasible.
Shooting off ATGMs is probably only useful as part of base defense but honestly I would rather buy recoiless rifles.
What Nigeria now needs of NAF is not tactical strikes but longer range high tonnage bombings. Let NA choppers AirCalvary kill BHT at every ambush they set up.

Same Super Camp its supporters now say is failing? How many armed helicopters will NA buy to base in all Super Camps creating army aviation corps? NAF owns 50 heavy armour heavy firepower Mi-171, Mi-24, Mi-35, add 20 un-armoured EC-135, Puma, new AW-109, NAF has 70 armed choppers flying 24/7 rotation, yet cant cover all of Nigeria. Gentlemen dont you understand simple limitation of air power?

Armed tiny copters have very short flight time airborne, need daily maintenance per hour flown, burn daily fuel. Better NA arms every FOB with cheap no maintenance required easy carry around man portable PGM to defend itself. Recoilless Rifles are obsolete, unguided, short range, poor accuracy, so armies phased them out long ago, it will miss moving Hiliux, may collaterally damage civilian lives. Infantry man PGM will wipe out all BHT Hilux Jeeps in 6 months unless they stop attacking us with vehicles. We eliminate their gun trucks, turn ISWAP to walking weary foot soldiers, then we wipe them out these footmen with DSHK & LG3 AGL. After 10 years using same type weapons, its time NA tries something new if they want new results. Only madmen repeat same thing expecting different result.

Black Hawk Down movie real life event shows weakness of large fleet armed choppers fleet. Dozens of armed choppers flew 24 hours, yet could not free trapped US troops, that US General had to beg Pakistani army to send convoy of MBT, APC, IFV to rescue US soldiers, only then did they get out of Mogadishu alive. Am tired of writing !!! Our people no dey hear word?

Amid the prevailing insecurity in the country, the military and the police would spend a whopping 91 per cent of their budgets on recurrent expenditure, comprising overhead and personnel costs, while the remaining nine per cent would go to their capital expenditure, estimates in the 2020 Appropriation Bill have shown.

Saturday PUNCH’s analysis of the bill revealed further that the chunk of the recurrent expenditure goes into personnel cost, comprising salaries, wages, allowances and social contributions, while a meagre amount goes into capital expenditure, forcing some of the security agencies to make part payments for security items they would have used to fight insecurity.

President Muhammadu Buhari had on Tuesday, October 8, presented the N10.33tn, comprising N4.88tn recurrent expenditure and N2.14tn capital expenditure, Appropriation Bill to a joint session of the National Assembly.

The President noted that the budget estimate was designed to be one of fiscal consolidation to strengthen the macroeconomic environment, invest in critical infrastructure, human capital development and enabling institutions.

But analysis of the Appropriation Bill revealed that the Ministry of Defence, comprising different operational units like the Army, Navy, Air Force, Defence Headquarters, Nigerian Defence Academy, Defence Intelligence Agency and 11 other units got a whopping N878,458,607,427 total allocation, the second highest allocation.

Of the total allocation, however, the recurrent expenditure stood at N778,589,343,660, representing 88.63 per cent while the capital expenditure is N99,869,263,767, representing 11.37 per cent.

In the recurrent expenditure, however, the total personnel cost, comprising salaries, wages, allowances and others, is put at N722,383,830,531bn, while the overhead cost for travels, transport, training, materials and services, is N56,205,513,129.

The remaining N99bn capital expenditure would, therefore, be used for the purchase of defence equipment, sea boats, rehabilitation of barracks across the six geo-political zones, procurement of ammunition, purchase of operational vehicles, among other things needed to fight insecurity and defend the Nigerian territory.

For example, the Nigerian Army, which got the highest allocation under the Defence Ministry, would get a total of N438.23bn.

While a whopping N424.03bn of the sum goes to recurrent expenditure, comprising N408.40bn for personnel cost (salaries, allowances, wages, etc), and N15.63bn for overhead cost, a meagre N14.20bn was budgeted for capital expenditure.

According to the breakdown in the estimate, the N14bn would be used for the purchase of arms, ammunition, armoured vehicles, spare parts, kitting general, construction of office and residential buildings (barracks) and renovation of destroyed Kur Mohammed Barracks, Bama, among other projects.

Similarly, for the Nigerian Air Force, which got the second highest share in the ministry, its total allocation was N137.87bn.

Out of this, N109.51bn was for recurrent expenditure, comprising N8.85bn overhead cost and a whopping N100.66bn personnel cost (for salaries, wages, allowances, etc), while a paltry N28.36bn is budgeted for capital expenditure.

The N28bn is expected to be used for the purchase of defence equipment, procurement of various small arms and ammunition, purchase of various aircraft and their spares, support equipment and their spares, part payment for procurement of 3 x jf – 17 thunder aircraft, part payment for periodic depot maintenance of 4 x f – 7ni aircraft, among others.

For the Nigerian Navy, which got the third highest share of the ministry’s allocation, the total allocation was N131.69bn, out of which N114.50bn was allocated for recurrent expenditure, comprising N106.76bn personnel cost (salaries, wages, allowances, etc) and N7.74bn overhead cost.

On the other hand, N17.19bn was budgeted for capital expenditure, specifically for the procurement of helicopters, landing ship tank, hydro survey ship, 8 x 17m inshore patrol craft, construction of barracks and the development of Naval War College, among others.

The tilted estimate is the same for many other operation units, like DIA, under the Defence Ministry.

Police and military budgets alike

Meanwhile, for the Federal Ministry of Police Affairs, comprising police formations and commands, the ministry itself and the Nigeria Police Academy, Wudil, Kano, the total allocation is N409,142,271,823.

Of this figure, the capital expenditure is a mere N13,309,986,864, representing a paltry 3.25 per cent, while the total recurrent expenditure is N395,832,284,959, representing a huge 96.75 per cent of the allocation.

Out of the recurrent expenditure, however, the total overhead was N11,088,223,253 while the total personnel cost (salaries, wages, allowances and social contributions) took a whopping N384,744,061,706.

The paltry N13bn capital expenditure, according to the estimate, was for the purchase of security equipment (N2.88bn), motor vehicles, air navigational equipment (N2.19bn), trucks, industrial equipment (N64.82bn), purchase and acquisition of land, computer software acquisition, construction and provision of hospitals, police stations and barracks, while the rehabilitation and repair of police stations and barracks would gulp (N53.62), among other projects.

Thus, on average, the military and police would spend 91 per cent of their budgets on recurrent expenditure, largely salaries, wages and allowances, while about nine per cent would be spent on procuring equipment, weapons and other software and hardware needed to tackle insecurity in the country.

Only sophisticated arms can stop B’Haram, ISWAP – Soldiers insist

In the face of the little funds to procure defence equipment, according to the budget estimate, the Theatre Commander of the army’s Operation Lafiya Dole, Major General Olusegun Adeniyi, said on Thursday that what the army needed to end the ISWAP and Boko Haram war were combat helicopters.

Speaking when he received a delegation of the National Assembly Joint Committee on the army, led by Senator Ali Ndume, on Thursday, Adeniyi stated that Boko Haram had never been as formidable as perceived.

He said, “The only thing that needs to be given to the army now is Nigerian Army Aviation. There is a way you solve a problem that will change the game. The army needs combat helicopters to end the Boko Haram war. These helicopters will be with us at the battlefront. I know this has been on the table for years. When this is done, Nigeria can forget about Boko Haram.”

Meanwhile, military commanders, especially those currently engaged in operations at the battlefield in the North-East, had told Saturday PUNCH in a recent report that they were still using outdated weapons and equipment, including failing Shilka guns procured during the administration of the late Alhaji Shehu Shagari, who was the President of Nigeria between 1979 and 1983.

They noted that this development had exposed the Nigerian troops to attacks by the terrorists, especially the Islamic State in West Africa Province fighters, who, according to them, use more sophisticated weapons.

They, however, said they needed sophisticated weapons to defeat the terrorists.

One of the commanders said, “I can tell you that we have not been supplied with fresh equipment in a long while. Those terrorists, especially ISWAP fighters, are very deadly and confident and they now use foreign mercenaries.”

One of the commanders again told one of our correspondents on Friday that the 2020 budget proposal submitted to the National Assembly implied that “nothing would change in terms supply of arms, ammunition and other equipment needed to fight the war, yet it’s only superior weapons that can defeat them.”

The Governor of Borno State, Babagana Zulum, had said in July that Boko Haram had higher expertise and better technological weapons than the military.

The President also said at a regional summit in Burkina Faso on September 14 that “the frequency of attacks, the determination and resilience of the terrorist groups as well as the ease with which they raise funds and acquire sophisticated weapons were matters of serious concern.”

Also, at the summit, the President of Niger Republic, Mahamadou Issoufou, announced that ECOWAS leaders had decided to mobilise “financial resources of up to a billion dollars for the fight against terrorism.”

Meanwhile, apart from the insurgency in the North-East, there had been concerns over the high rate of killings of innocent Nigerians by bandits, kidnappers and armed robbers. This had made some persons to question the efficiency and capacity of the security agencies, as they tied the challenge to poor funding of the security agencies.

The then Governor of Zamfara State, Abdulaziz Yari, said in March 2019 that the bandits terrorising the state were more equipped than the entire security forces deployed to combat their activities.

Yari told journalists at the State House, Abuja after holding a meeting with the President that the bandits had stockpiled as much as 500 AK-47 rifle in one of their armoury.

Budget estimates offer no hope of improved security – Security experts

A security expert and President, African Council on Narcotics, Mr Rekpene Bassey, described the proposed 2020 budget for the Ministry of Defence and the police as grossly inadequate.

He said, “If you convert the total amount that has been budgeted for the Ministry of Defence, N878.458bn into dollars, what you have is about $2.4bn, while the capital expenditure of N99.86bn comes to about $275m. It is even worse for the police that have a total expenditure of N403.32bn, about $1.114bn while the capital expenditure is just about $34m.

“The implication of this proposed capital expenditure in the military and police is that we are going to face more security challenges in terms of the internal and national security environment.

“This portends a lot of dire challenges in the months ahead in terms of security and I cannot fathom why they have proposed that.”

Also, a security expert, Mr Chigozie Ubani, said the proposed capital expenditure, especially for the police, was a negative signal, adding that Nigerians should not expect anything new in terms of tackling criminalities from security operatives in the coming year.

He said, “The implications are grievous for us. The budget proposal, especially for the police, is worrisome. Note that budget is an estimate and over the years we have not met the police budget, even up to 80 per cent. So, what it means is that the estimated proposal for the police in 2020, I can bet you that less than 40 per cent of it will be drawn down.

“The implication is not good for us because until we fix our police, our challenges will continue to fester. What we are fighting today in the North-East was initially the affair of the police, but they could not deal with it and that was how it became a military affair.”

“In my view, there is nothing in the budget that shows that there is a conscious effort to improve on the quality of policing the nation.”

Military looking at alternative funding sources — DHQ

Meanwhile, the Defence Headquarters has said that to tackle the imbalance in the budgetary allocations for the military, the armed forces have been looking for and moving towards alternative sources of funding.

The Acting Director, Defence Information, Col Onyema Nwachukwu, said the military had begun to produce “armoured carriers, and ships locally.”

In an interview with our correspondent on Friday, he said, “If you look at the 2020 budgetary allocations, about N100bn is what is allocated to defence. And when you talk about recurrent and capital expenditure, you find out that the recurrent is quite higher than the capital.

“The idea is that from the outset, we have always talked about seeking alternative sources of funding for the military. We are working in this regard. The Nigerian military is evolving, considering the various contemporary security challenges, which are of course a global phenomenon. There are various theatres of operation around the country and the military has been very innovative despite the budgetary allocations.

Also, Force spokesperson, DCP Frank Mba, in his response to the lopsided budget estimate said, “I’m sorry, I may not be able to respond to this enquiry now. I can only give you an appropriate response after due consultation with the Budget Department. I will do that and revert to you as soon as possible, please.”

https://punchng.com/2020-military-police-to-spend-91-of-budgets-on-salaries-others/

Please o, is this true

When a top officer is redeployed to a new location, the command will refurnish his/her new apartment?
Even if the furniture are only a few months old?

Is it true that a CP get #5,000,000 housing allowance every year? If this is true, why do a constable have to buy his/her own uniform