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afrodoc2:
I asked that what is Fred good at that shoudl make him get higher ratings than players that do the most difficult thing in football i.e score and create goals.

If he is not scoring or creating goals at least he should be winning tackles or making interceptions like Kante and Ndidi.

Or he should be controlling game with 90 passes and 90 percent pass accuracy like Xavi.

Or at least he should be press resistant and able to pick the ball off his CBs while facing his goal and initiate play like Thiago.

What special skill does Fred have to make him win awards meant for players that actually make significant contributions to the team.

okay, Herrera vs Kante 2016/17.. Herrera was better and whoscored backs me.

What do you say about that?

Expert17:
-Fred and Rashford season ended early(in terms of performance ) around January.

- AWB DEFENSIVE performance throughout the season was great.

his tackles you mean? cause AWB overall defensive game is not good.

Rashford was injured Fred was brilliant until lockdown [nothing like fizzle out in January]. and he was replaced by Matic when we resumed.

afrodoc2:
Let us compare Fred's tackles per game at his best to Kante's tackles per game at his best.

After that let us compare Fred's interceptions per game at his best to Kante's interceptions per game at his best.

Players who run around like Fred e.g Kante, Ndidi, Gueye were topping the league in tackles and interceptions, Fred was topping the league in dribbled past per game.

It is just that i am in a good mood. I would have said Fred was the Hidden Hazard of central midfielders. All shakushaku no action.

But i am in a good mood so i won't say it.

you were talking goals and assists na. I'm not comparing Fred with anyone, you were talking about goals and assist that was why I mentioned Kante.

The Fred I saw with my eyes was one of the best midfielders in the league before lockdown, and mostly everyone agreed with that.

afrodoc2:
So his whoscored rating is low.

Also he scored no goal and made no assist.

And we already proved that he is the most dribbled player in the team.

What exactly is he so good at that he should be rated higher than his team mates who are specialists at scoring goals (Martial, Rashford), creating goals (Bruno), and stopping goals (AWB).


How is running around the pitch like an Ikwerre masquerade superior to scoring and creating goals?

There is a reason when they are giving Player of the Year awards and Golden Ball awards at tournaments the goal scorers and creators are recognized first.

And yet you the champion Kante lol.

eph12:
Afrodoc2 does not like Fred, he won't agree

Fred Bruno Rashford Martial all have legitimate claims of being crowned player of the season.

afrodoc2:
Not until resumption.

His performance level dropped right from January when Bruno arrive and Matic regained form. Fred was good from Aug to Jan but afterwards he was quite terrible IMO.

Bruno, Martial, Rashford, and even AWB before Fred for me. AWB was good for a longer period than Fred and he was actually good until the resumption before he fell off a cliff.

AWB what? Fred and Black Ronaldo were the best until Bruno came, Martial benefited the most when Bruno and Igahlo arrived, Man just enter beast mode.

First half of the season belongs to Black Ronaldo and Fred.

eph12:
One of our best performers

I think him and black Ronaldo were the best performers until Bruno arrived.

Well fatso won it ahead of Main Man so I could care less.

Oasis007:
Manchester United Player of the Year voting percentages:

Bruno Fernandes - 35.5%
Anthony Martial - 34%
Marcus Rashford - 10.4%
Mason Greenwood - 8.3%
Aaron Wan-Bissaka - 3.8%
Harry Maguire - 2.4%

Martial with 34℅ and Rashford with just 10.4 ℅ the disrespect!

Black Ronaldo carried us in the first half of the season 19goals before January/feb for a wide forward is no joke.

what the fvck is bissaka doing there, Fred should be ahead of the bottom 3.

patrickmuf:
You have no argument...See the squad you call shit...

I don’t think you understood my post.

patrickmuf:
De Gea - 18m (2011)

Wan-Bissaka - 50m
Lindelof - 31m
Maguire - 80m
Shaw - 30m

Fred - 50m
Matic - 35m
Pogba - 89m
Bruno - £47m (Add ons should see it reach 67m)
VDB - 38M

Martial - 57m
James - 15m

You still have Bailly, Dalot, Mata etc...If our squad is shit then it's an expensive shit...

Let's compare to Liverpool

...........................Allison.................................
TAA........ Maguire....... Van Dijk...... Rovertson
..............................Fabinho....................
.......................................Pogba..............
..............................Bruno......................
........ Salah........... Martial.............. Mane...

That's 5 of our players in the team...

Compared to City...

...........................Ederson (Debatable) ......................
Walker.......... Maguire..... Laporte........ Shaw
... Rodri/Gundogan (Matic can easily slot in........
................ KDB..................... Pogba..................
............................ Bruno.............................
......................... Aguero...... Martial................

That's 5 of our players in the team...

Compared to Chelsea...
...................................De Gea......................
Azpi................Lindelof....... Maguire......Shaw........
.......................................Kante................................
............................Bruno..............Pogba..................
.................Pulisic.........Werner.............Martial..........

That's 7 of our players against 5 for Chelsea...

Compared to Arsenal, only Auba, Tierney and maybe Gabriel (Questionable) will make our team...

Compared to Leicester...
Only Vardy, Ndidi, Pereira and maybe Soyuncu will make our team...

Compared to Spurs, only Kane, Son and Alderweireld will make our team...

Argue with the combined teams above and tell me if our squad is really shit or it's our coach that has not been eble to maximize the potentials of the Players we have?

If you even try to place players on the bench, most of our players will earn a place on the bench ahead of other starters for teams like Leicester, Arsnela and Spurs...Only City and Liverpool best us...We even have a better bench than Pool...

Oga o. Waris dis na? Abeg rest, you don try for today.

eph12:
This jambody will be an excellent addition. Imagine you have someone that's not a striker scoring 20+ goals and giving loads of assists. Pepe will definitely do well, quote me

I don quote you o.

Expert17:
So Pogba played better than Rashford from 2017 till 2020??

lol.

olabode89:
Ae don't have to spend 80M, 90M or over 100M to get good players. City as rich as they are have never spent more than 70M on a single player. It's all about planning and proper negotiation. If we had done the necessary ground work like properly managed teams such as City, Bayern and Madrid, we would not be chasing Sancho for more than 1 year haggling on price.

proper groundwork like Madrid ? lol. Wetin work for Uche no the fit work for musa, if Liverpool followed dis line of thought, they would’ve bought Luiz instead of van Dijk.

Leicester bought Mahrez for less than 1M from a lower tier French team, we all know how good he is at the moment. Playing in the championship does not mean a player is not good. Vardy played in virtually all of the lower tier of English football. I won't be surprised if Benhrama eclipses Sancho in the next 5 years.

Benhrama? Man is not even better that adel Tarabt ffs! You clearly haven’t watch sancho, rest.

We just bought dany James from the championship, you want us to go back there again. Na wa o.

You mentioned the use of stop gap players, If Bayern can use the likes of Perisic, Coutinho, and James Rodrigues why can't United do the same?

bcuz all teams aren’t the same. Bayern is now the standard bcuz they just recently won the CL last year it was Liverpool

There is nothing wrong with the idea of plugging some holes in a team with older quality players. I hope we won't regret shelling out 120M on Sancho and he ends up changing nothing while other teams snap up other right wingers that perform exceptionally well next year.

there’s everything wrong with signing older players now! Dis is a rebuild job, we are not the finished article yet.


There’s clearly nothing to regret regarding sancho, he’s world class already. They should be no regrets getting world class players especially at a very young age.. 20 goals and 20assists dis past season mention players that put up that numbers last season I’ll wait.

We should learn from Barca....
Coutinho, Greizmann and Dembele all over 100M each and they have been unable to take Barca to the next level.

we should also learn from Madrid. Bcuz kaka flop no mean say them no go buy bale.

Expert17:
Pogba best player?

Abeg which year be that

from 2017/18 season till Bruno’s arrival.

Godx:
Cc Spillo1. When I said Enemy of progress full your club I was not joking. Come and see another one

postdigger your job is in danger wtf

Panther7:
Leyqute are you writing it down?
1. They said players from South America
2. Perisic
3. Coman
4. Bale
5. Brooks
6. Cheaper alternatives
Kindly forward the list to Ed

eph12:
He didn't say for that amount and people are allowed to change their minds in the light of new evidence

Last summer, I was team Pepe. I prayed for the club to get him ahead of Sancho sef after watching their highlights. The Pepe no dey even see starting 11 in lowly assnal

that’s not the problem though, The problem is how he turned overrated overnight

patrickmuf:
At the bolded, you can't fault the club on that we have signed Maguire, Pogba, Lukaku, Di Maria all for high fees and of the lot, none has particularly lived up to the expected high standards that's synonymous with the transfer fee they commanded isn't it time the club applies caution?

Maguire, Lukaku and Pogba have done well, even di Maria struggled bcuz he doesn’t want to be here in the first place.. our team on the other hand is sh!te.


Pogba for instance has been our best player until the arrival of Bruno.

Maguire whom I don’t even rate has done quite well. Heard we have are one of the best defensive stat in Europe last season, that’s huge.

patrickmuf:
We messed up with Maguire and after that we have somewhat retraced our steps with the signing of Bruno and VDB for modest fees...

Not all players are purchased for modest fees, wether they go on to be a success or not. Ronaldo was bought for 12mill, Rooney for 30mill.

Jones 20mil.. Ferdinand 30mil.

Berbatov 30mill.. Manucho and diof?

Pogba 90mill... Herrera+Schweini+Fellaini+schneiderlin 90mill.


You’ve got to splash the cash for quality sometimes.

eph12:
So we have a functioning system now right?

you don’t think we have a functioning system? even you were impressed with our performance against Sevilla and Copenhagen, no?

lekkie073:
two defenders. One English and expensive. The other NON-ENGLISH and cheap. At the end, the cheaper one was more efficient.

many think Ferdinand was better. Though I share same opinion with you.

English players are always overpriced...

Since we all know this, why we come drag price with Dortmund? If you can’t pay up, you lock up!













They should pay though.

Expert17:
England players are naturally over rated.

You should know this.

Because Mpappe is perfect for our team don't mean we should sign him for 600M.

Of course they are, but Sancho just like Rooney is worth it. Just because we got vidic for 7mill doesn’t mean we won’t splash 30mill for Ferdinand.

eph12:
How do you know we have the money to spend on one player? Coming off the back of a period where almost every business took a big hit in their finances? Our wage fee is already taking a big hit on the finances

well you have a point, maybe we don’t have money.

But according to media reports we seem to have the cash but are unwilling to pay what Dortmund are asking for.

Expert17:
So you saw 108M in that post

Receive sense

But you agreed that with Sancho our forward line will be perfect, why are you calling him overrated now now?

eph12:
Sancho is a fine player but he's not a messiah. Neither is he worth 120m euros. That BVB is even giving deadline or refusing to negotiate is insulting when the said fee is not in Sancho's contract. If we go ahead with this deal, we should be ready to live with the repercussion. Almost every club will not want to negotiate a transfer with us. We have messed up in the past, and in every of those transfers, we didn't even wait up to a year before lamenting. It's enough. Get in a manager that will find us the Robertson, Mane of this world abeg. We have tried the most expensive, na lamentations end am

We have the 120mil, but the owners don’t want to spend, It’s the clubs money ffs!

You guys should provide players that got 20goals and 20assist dis past season or forever hold your peace.

spillo1:
LMFAO......What brought the bold like I don't understand ? I asked a simple question. Where did kdb perform (Competition/league) before going to City?

what did I tell you?

patrickmuf:
In the EPL playing for Everton which was a mid table team...A teenager still against Sancho, 20 years old playing for the 2nd best team in a league which isn't as competitive as the EPL...


Again, apples and oranges...

he wasn’t 20 when he Signed for Dortmund.

Oya show me players that have 20 goals + 20 assists dis past season.

chidexxy007:
No be small..

When unknown players gets link them grumble, asking who the person be.
When known players gets linked them grumble saying his price is too much, he's this, he's that. Some are even asking why has hasn't asked to leave like Gallas..


We will be alright las las

longstaff comes to mind

patrickmuf:
Whilst at it, drop the stats of Mkhitaryan and Kagawa before we signed them...

Sancho was playing with Hackimi whose runs dragged defenders away affording him space...At United, he will hold the ball waiting for Wan-Bissaka but baba will not move an inch, he'll rather stay back...Dortmund play expansive free flowing attacking football, they will score five and concede 3 or 4 but it does not concern them...At United, conceding 3 goals is already a disaster even if we score 6...Sancho won't be all out explosive here like he is in Dortmund...

shey na sky sports we de so.. see analysis

Watch Dortmund in the UCL and against teams who care about defending and you'll see that it is easier for them in the BULI.

sancho has 6 goals+assists in 15 CL games. Goals and assists against the likes of Monaco, Athletico Madrid, Barcelona and Inter Milan. Talk another thing.

spillo1:
LMFAO...... Please tell me where kdb performed before going to City?

don’t waste your time on that one, he knows nothing .. writing epistle upandan doesn’t makes one intelligent.