Kairoseki77:

So I take it you have no response?

A little nairaland local search can help clarify it all for you, instead of reiterating & playing as a dummy why dont you check other threads as mac suggested ?

echibuzor:

Sorry, but I cant see the picture... i am mobile... try transcribing it...

Owk boss, it is on eigen values & vectors under linear algebra & this is how they put it.

If A.x=λx, where
A=|2 2 -2 |
|1 3 1 |
|1 2 2 | determine the eigen values of the matrix A, and an eigen vector corresponding to each eigen value. If λ=1, what is a? if λ=2, what is b? and if λ=4, what is c?

You must have watched his press conference right? This obese simpleton would not have dared come up with this repulsive piffle if he knows bh is never a Hausa-fulani movement, he only prove one thing which is mr retardeen is INCOMPETENT, & what shatters them most is the mega party which was not even registered yet, this phobia of theirs would continue to exarcebate and gives them insomnia & autism at the end, i never for once underestimate what the bayelsa folks are capable of, their stupidity has no border, the first time was alams cross-dressing to avoid detention after embezzling state fund, then syva's threat of killing his foes and mobilizing/ marching bh to the state. If bh alone[few rebels not upto 1000] can make this govt ungovernable as tokunbo abi dokubo claimed, why wouldn't he imagine the havoc he is inviting to the niger delta when he & his jobless urchins attack the north & the north respond? Mr dokubo, the great favour you & your clueless brother could do to the north is to expose those people present in the govt whom you brag of knowing for so long that are patronizing & sponsoring bh, if mr retardeen knows who those people are & was unable to fish them out for this long span what exactly do you expect him to do if he was made president again? Why dont you save him from this embarassment & ask him to hand over to men who have the balls?

@Op, please stream the video again & watch how this overfed buffoon ridiculed jonathan by saying ''he is just sitting & watching''[4:10]. Mr jona, if your core supporters would admit you are just a stooge & wouldnt mind making it known to the public & there is nothing you can do about them mocking you or showing bravery, then any sane citizen will welcome the mega party to help flush you out. Asari said it all, you are only good in watching & if violence is what they seek let them start now, they dont have to wait till when you are defeated.

dlox147: seriously? is that d best u can offer?

Are you suffering from alexia or you consciously overlook some of the things that make me draw the above? Of course there exist other measures to be taken but do you think bh or borno folks have faith in GEJ after those senseless comments he made? would they support a man who is unable to differentiate an armed rebel from a ghost? If he can boast of presence of bh in his cabinet why wouldnt he expose them?

[size=32pt]Earn citizens TRUST..[/size] Gej was not trusted in the north, he made some insensitive remarks that make people resent him, he exacerbate whenever he talks about Bh. The dude was confused, he recant severally, he just cant make up his mind, sometimes back he said bh is in his cabinet even his SA admits PDP is BH & BH is PDP, and few months back he said BH are ghosts and nw he wants 2 grant those supposed ghosts amnesty. The henry okah & oct 1st saga paint a paranoid caricature of him also, honestly, mr president is not worthy of the north trust if he does not amend how he run things in this country.

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Hello, as the saying goes, understanding a question is part of answering the question, but the unfortunate thing is what i have here is something that am not familiar with. I dnt seek for answers only i also like to know how i shall work it out on my own and provide solutions[dont just give me the fish, show me how to catch it also].

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Some of the maths questions in my tma control center display the above, has any1 ever experienced this before? What measure did you take as solution? I decided to hear from you before contacting the study center..

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i am using firefox, but am downloading google chrome ryt now. If there was any browser you know that can display the questions correctly pls holla.

deSika: first let me say this. all u guys have mastered the art of dodging and not answering a question directly. i wud like u to direct me to any of ur posts on this thread that categorically answers this question. is Allah same as God. categorical ansa shud be yes or no before u start explaining why u think so.

Behold! the hallucinating gentile is rebelling against his words again, if i really avoid your request & resort to provide peculiar answers instead, you wont dare to admit & give this remark:

deSika: bro, i must confess, ur response is one of the most intelligent responses i have ever gotten on this section. so i get from ur response that u belive both are the same

I wish the presidency shall consider subsidizing the health sector & give free medication to the amnesia nitwits.[patriotic citizens prayer]

deSika: Rational/irrational bla bla bla

This is an already refuted issue, it would amount to sheer time waste if i try to reiterate in order to elucidate again, i dont favor tautology, so i adhere to my recent responses. This is where i stand:

deSika: The likeness of your request is like that of an [arab man] who ask [u a nigerian] speaking [nigerian language] to use [Allah] instead of ur [nigerian language] in [Nigeria].. Irrational, isnt it?

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WHξξ∟s:
Why wouldn't i? I will be a cornered mouse if i try to rebel, Ubangiji is same as Ilah, i wont object to use Allah since i am a Muslim & the Quran deliniate his name vividly. But why would i comply to a negro gentile request to use an ambiguous name from a foreign language which even the gentile do not know and he has to circumlocute profusely when asked how his fellow gentiles view that name.

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deSika: Allah is an arabic word. u r definitely not an arab or are u. if u were an arab then asking u to call God in hebrew wud be tantamount to wat u say above. but as it is. arabic is a foreign language to u as is hebrew.

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WHξξ∟s:
Many Muslims strive to unsterstand Islam arming themselves with knowledge of both the Arabic text & its meaning/translation, but Hebrew knowledge was rare amongst the gentile, it is possible my friend desika do not know AKBAR in hebrew but Many 9ja Muslims are fluent in Arabic & those Muslims prefer to use Allah, a Hausa man doesnt recognise Ubangiji as a name to the supreme God cos he knows the Quran & he is fully convinced that Allah is the appropriate name

Wasn't english foreign to you? what makes you chat in english Does that ridicule your ancestry? No!. As far as language is concerned, folks are free to chat & talk as as long as they understand what they were saying. I respond using the same pattern below, when u asked:

deSika: {if u as a nigerian (which am sure u are but corret me if am wrong) can refer to God in arabic then u can also do same in hebrew as both are foreign to u.

My response was:

WHξξ∟s:
I will end up making things worse to myself, if you can hold a koboko and ask me to say Akbar in Hebrew, unless the holy spirit intervened i wont be able to, but Alhamdulillah, English & Arabic are foreign to me but this task wont be huge.

Am i wrong if i use a language i understand

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deSika: and u no wat as typical u bring up somtin not related to the Allah Yahweh discussion we are into....|.....so if Dj Jesus remix Gods name how does it relate to wat u said that i cant ask an igbo man to call God Ugbangiji and i said back to u wat u ur sef said only changing igboman to wheels. wetin concern Jesus/Moses with ur first statement.

Once again the gentile is attacking a straw man, i only point out an error in your statement & suggest you shall use paraphrase instead of remixing. It seems that you have just as much trouble making sense out of your folly, it makes one to ponder maybe this is some sort of medical condition.

deSika: I hv hereby drawn my conclusion from u guys. seeing that its a taboo to interchange both words. therefore Allah is not same as YHWH(1)/Yahweh(2) or YaHoWah(3) accordinng to LagosShia Advice: stop deceiving urselves by saying . 1. Allah is same as Yahweh 2. Moses is the prophet of Allah when that Allah told him that his name is Yahweh (i am ) u wud only end up being IRRATIONAL (apologies to Wheels)

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LOL! You again prove why i should'nt use an ambiguous name which many folks call differently, thats why i said even your superiors circumlocute profusely before arriving at one [assumed] name. Again one thing you are ignorant of was Ehyeh was the right word your scholars drew to mean I am.

deSika: Allah is an arabic word. u r definitely not an arab or are u. if u were an arab then asking u to call God in hebrew wud be tantamount to wat u say above. but as it is. arabic is a foreign language to u as is hebrew.

The Quran distinguish btwn Ilah & Allah[Surah at tur 43], both Ubangiji & Chineke refer to Ilah which can be a god or God but the word in the Quran Allah is the appropriate word denoting His name. Many Muslims strive to unsterstand Islam arming themselves with knowledge of both the Arabic text & its meaning/translation, but Hebrew knowledge was rare amongst the gentile, it is possible my friend desika do not know AKBAR in hebrew but Many 9ja Muslims are fluent in Arabic & those Muslims prefer to use Allah, a Hausa man doesnt recognise Ubangiji as a name to the supreme God cos he knows the Quran & he is fully convinced that Allah is the appropriate name.

deSika: {if u as a nigerian (which am sure u are but corret me if am wrong) can refer to God in arabic then u can also do same in hebrew as both are foreign to u.

I will end up making things worse to myself, if you can hold a koboko and ask me to say Akbar in Hebrew, unless the holy spirit intervened i wont be able to, but Alhamdulillah, English & Arabic are foreign to me but this task wont be huge.

deSika: by d way let me remix ur statement for u.

Chaii, Dj desika, this one no be disco hall oo. Use paraphrase next time. Lemme give an example of remixing, Dj moses in exodus say God gave his name as He is/i am, Dj jesus in matt call him [b]Ela/Eloi/Eli], my negro gentiles use Jehovah, adonai,yhwh,jhvh,ehyeh,yehvah, yahuwa e.t.c but the original track is THE SUPREME GOD.

deSika: The likeness of your request is like that of an [arab man] who ask [u a nigerian] speaking [nigerian language] to use [Allah] instead of ur [nigerian language] in [Nigeria].. Irrational, isnt it?

Why wouldn't i? I will be a cornered mouse if i try to rebel, Ubangiji is same as Ilah, i wont object to use Allah since i am a Muslim & the Quran deliniate his name vividly. But why would i comply to a negro gentile request to use an ambiguous name from a foreign language which even the gentile do not know and he has to circumlocute profusely when asked how his fellow gentiles view that name.

deSika:
bro, i must confess, ur response is one of the most intelligent responses i have ever gotten on this section.

so i get from ur response that u belive both are the same. ok now can yu go over to the proof of test.
wil u agree to use Yahweh in ur prayers, write ups, only for one week. (if u use Yahweh u wud not be refering to another God).

Muslims use Allah while referring to God Almighty, a perfect word generally accepted by us, unlike the tetragrammaton that upto these days some xtians pronounce differently, when the Holy Quran addresses an account vividly i wont rebel to accept an ambiguous tale, just let the Hebrews hebrew their God my gentile friend.

deSika:
#its just to prove that deep inside u, u agree to wat u r saying.

The likeness of your request is like that of an Igbo man who ask a non Igbo speaking Hausa to use Chineke instead of Ubangiji in the North.. Irrational, isnt it?

deSika: @ wheels the link u refered me to was asking what God is called in arabic translations of bible.. u clearly misuderstanding two concepts, d name of God and the word God. i asked in this thread www.nairaland.com/1244143/ question-muslims-name-god wat Allahs personal name is and i got no answer even from Thaba but one other guy said NAMELESS.

Ilah was used when translating Elohim & Allah was used while refering to Yahweh, Something your scholars prefer, maybe presenting your stand on this might likely convince them to correct this error. Arabs & Hebrews doesn't use g or G that is why the unique Ilah /elohim is called Allah/Yahweh.

deSika: but actually wats ur position on this question

Your folks say no Elohim but Yahweh, Muslims say there is no Ilah but Allah. Elohim & Ilah stands for god, the jews call the supreme God Yahweh while the muslims call him Allah. A non Muslim Arab & a Muslim Jew knows it is a name of their Ilah or Elohim. My position is, i think they are both right since they rely on the scripture. But if a gentile negro can object as you do i will just let him be.

deSika: *do yu think Yahweh and Allah are referring to same diety *if answer is yes. then go on to test the proof in the op *if no, u will be excused from d op.

The Quran teaches who Allah was in Surah Ikhlas & numerous ayas conveyed same theme regarding his uniqueness which some verses in your bible also agree with denoting his oneness. So i concur with your arabic scholars who agree to translate Yahweh as Allah not Ilah. A hebrew who embraces Islam would glorify his Rabb[surah A'ala: 1] in his dialect if he wishes, no problem with that.

Yahweh Akbar
An igbo man would say his chineke is great. Whether your dialect refers to God as Ubangiji, Chineke or Yahweh, calling Him Great is an act of obeisance. Something the monotheist say.

Mac welcomes you to this thread: www.nairaland.com/1078354/what-god-called-arabic-translation

Authentic indeed!

NL member: [The last lines are what the man knows of the Quran.]

You always fall short whenever you try to find a logical reason efficient enough to back your claims, this is qwerty[keyboard] abuse mr. My first reply in this thread is centered on advicing you to read and research well before commenting but you always rebel to comply with this homily. The account of this man is repeated in that same sahih bukhari not less than 5 times in volume 7 book 52 alone, and each account does not limit his memorization to ONE verse only, his responses is always in the affirmative. Volume 7, Book 62, Numbers 54,58,66,72, and 79 says the man knows numerous surahs that he was able to recite by heart.

NL member: You can google that hadith up to confirm that it is Sahih and sound. The way I wrote it there is the exact same way it is recorded in the hadith books, I didn't add anything and I didn't remove anything.

Hm, i provided references as to why that hadith[first 1] was dai'f which makes me doubts its authenticity but you end up Quoting another different hadith whose irrelevance to that[Hadith] you recently post is unambiguous. This hadith you post states the Prophet(s.a.w) conjoin two people in matrimony seeing the Male has memorised some portion of the Quran[Surahs], does giving Mahr of Surahs to a matured lady who proposed to a man openly sound like divorcing prepubescent ladies to you? Or you are insinuating he was wrong when he memorized Quranic chapters & verses? This is the negative effect of copying & pasting when one has no knowledge of the matter at hand, the farther he goes the more he disgraces himself.

NL member: surah at talaq 4-6

An utter negligence again! Verse 6 say and if they should be pregnant, keep it in mind verse 4 has already indicated precisely that the husband was alerted his wife is pregnant at the time of divorce [ And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth ] in your logic, do pregnant women still conceive simultaneously? What you are implying is a man who divorced his pregnant wife will again notice another pregnancy which he knows not at the time of seperation. Women dont have dual tummy do they? Science tells us at the span of the Iddah their pregnancy[if there was] would be revealed/exposed and that will warrant the husband to cater them but if the divorce takes place when she was pure and do not conceive cos the husband did not went into her, then the Iddah is span of those days. Pls dont tell me you belong to the category of those that think the prepubescent girls are only the ones who doesn't menstruate among women.

NL member: Forget Ibn Kathir and take the tafsirs of the numerous other scholars who also interpreted the verse to mean the same thing.

That was matter of opinion and it is at my disposal to decide, you dont have to force it on me.

NL member: Are they all wrong? Is every single one of the scholars wrong while your own opinion is correct?

Tons of scholars coincided to give exact opposite of those scholars, so that will not be wheels opinion.

NL member: I have not come across one single tafsir that gives a different interpretation to that verse. Every tafsir I have seen says that the verse is most definitely giving guidelines on how to divorce prepubescent children and you are the first person I have come across that rejects all the tafsir of your notable scholars and gives his own interpretation to the verse

It doesn't necessarily mean i will be the last person also or those tafsirs were the only tafsirs available in the cosmos, something you overlooked. For a good start consider visiting one of the mosques at your domicile and borrow Tafhim al Quran by sheikh Maududi or ask your Muslim friends if they have a copy.

I will see to it whether it was made available on the net and if one can download and read offline also.

Please reconsider, ciao also means HELLO

NL member: This doesn't change the fact that the verse gives guidelines on how to divorce prepubescent infants. Then this means that there are contradictions in your book because that verse is definitely talking about prepubescent children. I can however, understand your unwillingness to accept this fact.

Not at all, thats why i said the Quran is lucid on this when i quote an Nisa:4 and the verse in at talaq is self explanatory also seeing it addressess Nisa not sagheerah

NL member: Even your tafsir scholars agree with me so please stop living in denial.

When the Quran explicitly deliniate an account the Muslims stand is unambiguous and the account has to be received unanimously, the tafsir on the other hand contains fables and uninspired tales. Quran prescribe condition of talaq for various women and their Iddah but the Mufassireen contradict themselves most times, and we all agree the Quran has authority over the mufassireen that is why i accept only what concur with the Quran.

NL member: You want to reject hadith?

Those are your words not mine, you dont have to put them on my mouth, it is hypocrisy. this is my take on the hadith:

WHξξ∟s:
this was one of the reasons that makes me not to believe all things the Mufassireen[humans] say and choose to obey the Quran because i know fully well the Hadiths & Tafsirs have discrepancies

NL member: But the quran says you should obey your prophet! The words of your prophet; his guidelines and advice to muslims, are in the hadith,

Rejecting piffle attributed to him in the hadith which was not found in the Quran is part of obeying Allah's command thats why the urge of veryfying the isnad of a hadith was necessary. Something you are ignorant of.

NL member: therefore rejecting hadith would be rejecting the quran

This hadith has no authentic Isnad, an issue i dealt with already:

WHξξ∟s:

The other tafsirs do not clarify how they come to the conclusion that the verse talks of sagheerah but the Quran is lucid on this as it explicity details who a marriagable lady was in surah an Nisa. I think they rely on the hadith you posted which mentions ''a man stood and asked: ‘O messenger of Allah, what is the period (Iddah) of the young girl who has not yet menstruated. But this hadith has no Isnad whatsoever which makes me doubts its authenticity, it only mentions a Man, but who is this man? Al-Wahidi in one of his works Quotes Muqatil saying a dude named Kallad ibn al-Nu‘man ibn Qays al-ansari was the one who asked the above and in his same asbab al-nuzul he also quote another man[Abu Ishaq al-muqri] who told other people that another dude with the name Ubay Ibn Khab was the one who asked the question. After reading the above you can concur to the fact that this hadith is Dai'f[weak] or Maudu[fabricated] as it contains transmission error.

NL member: The exact translation of this portion of Qur'an 65:4 is "not menstruated yet" it isn't "not menstruating". There is a difference between both terms.

The verse has a clear structure and i think urgent refund is needed if your English teacher was alive, a husband who divorces his wife on the 20th of a month if asked wether she was having Haila at that moment would say she was not menstuarating or she has not menstruated yet knowing fully well that the HAILA do not fall in those days.

NL member: The first one refers to those who have not experienced menstruation yet. It is not talking about those who are not currently menstruating.

The worse thing that can happen to a man in any discourse is not having a knowledge of what is being discussed but still takes part, those women who have not experienced menstruation before are not capable of sexual production, this fact is medically proved, but few verses after ayat:4 in that same chapter refute this allegation of yours and backed surah an Nisa.

Verse 6 states: Lodge them [in a section] of where you dwell out of your means and do not harm them in order to oppress them. And if they should be pregnant, then spend on them until they give birth. And if they breastfeed for you, then give them their payment and confer among yourselves in the acceptable way; but if you are in discord, then there may breastfeed for the father another woman.

The bolded is enough prove to disinfest your delusion, it unambiguosly detailed divorced women[not pregnant at the time] whom at the span of their Iddah the developing foetus in their womb became vividly known, and procreation is possible only if a woman hit puberty.

NL member: Google ibn kathir tafsir of that verse to confirm if you doubt me.

Ibn kathir is a knowledgeable person and he knows this custom pre-dates Islam, even those kufrs who favor this has disposed it after embracing Islam. Through the medieval Islamic era before Hijra this tradition was abolished, meaning those who embrace Islam do not practice it and those that practiced before stopped practicing any longer. Refer to Ibn kathir's Al bidayah wan nihayah, volume 8 precisely. Thus, if Ibn kathir really wrote that we can say he contradicts his self and this show how imperfect we were.

NL member: First of all, I do not support pedophylia and I do not in any way wish that it would happen.

Islam do not condone this as well, and as a matter of fact the Quran recommends Muslims to marry off even the Orphans in their custody when they attain discerning age. AN NISA 3-5.

NL member: Secondly, I can only succeed if the verse mentions sagheerah? What about what your tafsirs say? Except you want to tell me that the tafsirs are wrong and your own personal interpretation is the correct one.

None of the mufassireen has the right to add sageerah in their commentary, a word which cant be found in the context of the Ayah, and this verse is self-explanatory seeing it addressess the NISA which the quran in surah nisa :4 say ''And give the women [upon marriage] their [bridal] gifts graciously. But if they give up willingly to you anything of it, then take it in satisfaction and ease..'

There is no ambiguity in this verse, it says every woman that is going to be married off must be given dowry, but returning willingly a bride-price is something that only a woman with sound judgement could do, therefore prepubescent brides aren't referred in Talaq:4.

NL member: I was talking about the tafsir when I mentioned sagheerah. I wasn't talking about the quran, sincerely sorry for the mix up.

The Op himself wants to bring to notice the imperfection of the Muslims or humans as whole and this was one of the reasons that makes me not to believe all things the Mufassireen[humans] say and choose to obey the Quran because i know fully well the Hadiths & Tafsirs have discrepancies. I doubt if the first Mufassireen[ibn kathir] narrate what you posted, cos that contradicts not only some of his works am aware of but the Quran also.

The other tafsirs do not clarify how they come to the conclusion that the verse talks of sagheerah but the Quran is lucid on this as it explicity details who a marriagable lady was in surah an Nisa. I think they rely on the hadith you posted which mentions ''a man stood and asked: ‘O messenger of Allah, what is the period (Iddah) of the young girl who has not yet menstruated. But this hadith has no Isnad whatsoever which makes me doubts its authenticity, it only mentions a Man, but who is this man? Al-Wahidi in one of his works Quotes Muqatil saying a dude named Kallad ibn al-Nu‘man ibn Qays al-ansari was the one who asked the above and in his same asbab al-nuzul he also quote another man[Abu Ishaq al-muqri] who told other people that another dude with the name Ubay Ibn Khab was the one who asked the question. After reading the above you can concur to the fact that this hadith is Dai'f[weak] or Maudu[fabricated] as it contains transmission error. May Allah guide us all.

NL member: Asalamalaiku arrahmatullahi wabarakatu!!!!! I just have to salute you with the Islamic salutation of peace because this your lie is too much for me to handle. Asalamalaiku my brother

Wa alaika assalam.

NL member: Note: In the verse, the word “young” (as-sagheerah) denotes a girl who did not reach the age of puberty yet. Learn your Arabic my guy

The transliteration of the ayah[4] goes:

''WAALLA EE YA ISNA MINA ALMAHEEDI MIN NISA IKUM INI IRTABTUM FAAAIDDATUHUNNA THALATHATU ASHHURIN WAALLA EE LAM YAHIDNA WAOLATU AL AHMALI AJALUHUNNA AN YADAAANA HAMLAHUNNA WAMAN YATTAQI ALLAHA YAJAAAL LAHU MIN AMRIHI YUSRAN''.

I would like you to point out where it mentions as sagheerah in the above, you boast that i dont know Arabic and i am a liar, good for you. But now I am giving you another chance to expose my lies by pointing that word in the above.

NL member: The Quran is clearly prescribing waiting period for prepubescent children in that verse. The verse has nothing to do with eumenorrhea or women that are not in their menstrual periods.

You wish that will happen, but you can still succeed only if the verse at hand mentions sagheerah. I will wait for your response before dealing with the Mufassireen.

You are a xtian, right? The Iddah(3 month waiting period) is not part of your doctrine, regardless of that the verse at hand is addressing a standard phenomena which women experienced i.e HAILA(menstrual blood). Both the 3 categories of women in the verse are not menstruating, the first hit menopause, the 2nd is not in her menstrual cycle while the third was pregnant.

This condition(eumenorrhea) witnessed by women last for few days, usually 2-5 or 7, meaning women are free from this condition for the remaining days, and science also tells us women stop menstruating when they conceive. If the non menstruating women marry at the span of their iddah this will stir confusion regarding the paternity of the foetus but if she waited for 3 months all indications of her pregrancy(if there was any) will be noted.

I recently suggest you shall read the verses that precede and come after the ayat 5 for clarification, it is evident you fail to comply as seen in your post.

NL member: That verse does not say let them go when they no longer fight you or let themgo when they offer peace. It says let them go when they become muslims ie only spare their lives if they convert. Letting them live was not to be allowed unless they entered into Islam and carried out its obligation.

let me quote the verses, i hope you will get a bigger picture.

Verse 4: ''Except those of the Mushrikun with whom you have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to them to the end of their term. Surely Allah loves Al- Mattaqun.. Verse 4

The above advocates fulfilling the treaty with those who are sincere & those who did not fight the Muslims, and the Muslims obey this command in fighting only those who fought them.

Verse 6: And if anyone of the Mushrikun seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allah (the Quran), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.''

The bolded reminds me of one of Zakir naik's statement where he says the most generous army general can only let the enemy go but the Quran declare we shall not only let go of the enemy but we must also escort him to a place of security. May Allah guide us all.

@Nl member.. The first verse is the exact opposite of your interpretation, it is either you consciouly overlook the theme it conveys or you are the type that copy & paste anything from the Islamaphobes site without verifying whether it is true or false. Try and read again.

Regarding surah tauba, the chapter itself was revealed addressing the hypocrisy of the kufr who break the peace-treaty between them & Muslims, if you read the verse that precede and the one that came after the need of accusing the Muslims will never arise.

To my Muslim brothers/sisters who still think am rude and i shouldnt treat the lady this way after examining the above post, i want you to know i only respond to her using the same logic she used, i turn the table over whenever she use the bible. Am not perfect & am sorry if you misunderstand me, may Allah( s.w.t) forgive us all.

Woman, please do justice to yourself, because of you this convivial conversation is taking another dimension, and as seen from your recent post you are furious, but this wouldn't have happened if you look before you leap, the OP asked for the Muslims position regarding the subject at hand and he only demands the opinion of the Muslims, the first reply is enough in substantiating the OP's misconception but he however proceed to ask the same question again forgeting that the issue he raised is actually refering to the non-muslims inappropriate behavior towards the prophets and it was addressed thoroughly that he even admit his affirmation, If the OP Is truthful the least he could do is move on to the next thread hence he was satisfied with the response he received, but the dude's motives only seek to paint Islam black, he then bring forth an issue of 2 siblings and their father which I in replying follow his logic and suggestion to answer bit by bit, still he has urge to chat and raised commedians mockery which i gave this reply;

WHξξ∟s:
if we verify the roots of the mockery is not just about Jesus being Jesus, no, most if not all of the jokes are not a comedian's innovation but rather a modification of an existing account of baloney attributed to him in your scripture

I then post a joke cracked by xtian comedian ridiculing Jesus to entertain his fans, and ask this question;

WHξξ∟s:
If someone say your God is helpless and he died between thieves crying would you foolishly blame us for not reacting?

That was when the OP activated GHOST-MODE in this thread. Keep it in mind neither I nor the Op quote a single verse from your scripture. And Voila that's when you intrude halleluing and posting contradicting bla bla bla. At this juncture the thought of ignoring you crossed my mind but i still reconsider to chat with you waiting to see if you are better than the OP or you will turn as someone who can say something to berate this despicable irrationality and correct him, but as the saying goes birds of the same feather flock together. And seeing you quoting scripture make me think it is proper to address the subject whether what you propose is a rational solution and that makes me ask this first question to see your take;

WHξξ∟s:
Why do you stop at verse 31? In that same chapter Matt12:34 Jesus was quoted saying ''You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of''.

Remember, the pharisees and the congregation he was addressing at that moment do not Insult him, they only chatted and ask for clarification before he shower them with curses in return, what games are you playing xtians? Verse 31 did not object if you curse Jesus and the same Jesus advocates cursing others in verse 34, dont you think Islam is bringing sanity to this breeding ground for immorality called xtianity?

But instead of following the same pattern to address the above you chose to resort and divert the Op and accuse me of twisting facts[something i did not] but i chose to be in my best behavior and buried it to counter your next shot.

You proceed to say;

This is how we know God is merciful there is always another day for repentance. God is indeed good

Replying to the above and the ones that precede i ask a question which is still pending right now as i post, but lemme treat this one first which i think is the cause of your outrageous and unusual ranting.

According to your logic if people insult Jesus or anyone, God will forgive em if they repent, and we all know one can only repent while he was still breathing, your stand on this makes me ponder since Jesus was dead and you didnt provide a biblical account of him repenting and asking forgiveness from those he curses and insult in verse 34, weren't you directly proposing his condemnation? My reply is only a transcription with lil paraphrasing of what you posted above[bolded]. If only you realize you invite this in the first place you wouldn't have come up with this repulsive silly piffle.

@Vedax, lol.. The OP has backed down already, just as i expected, he however visit the thread subsequently in GHOST-MODE though (as in 4lowin the conversation without saying a damn thing) but this lady keep derailing the thread repeating same thing over & over.. I tire o.

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haha! When i found this thread the first thing i do is checking previous pages before asking a question. But some people like bringing same tin over and over again, i dunno y.

Hm, you guys like reiterating and resorting to something different and this keep making things worst to you, you said bashing Jesus is deemed as wisdom in your eyes and it is something to brag about, you even went on quoting verses justifying that, and according to you insulting Jesus is something which every bible loving and kingdom seeking xtian will do. But looking at this futility from islamic perspective, this exercise is frivolous and it is a thing which only an insensitive simpleton could do.

andromida:

Matthew 12:31. Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him.

If Jesus himself chose to forgive whoever speaks against him,mocks him etc why should any christian call for "justice".

Why do you stop at verse 31? In that same chapter Matt12:34 Jesus was quoted saying ''You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of''.

Remember, the pharisees and the congregation he was addressing at that moment do not Insult him, they only chatted and ask for clarification before he shower them with curses in return, what games are you playing xtians? Verse 31 did not object if you curse Jesus and the same Jesus advocates cursing others in verse 34, dont you think Islam is bringing sanity to this breeding ground for immorality called xtianity?

We cant control the things which must happen to us, we can only control the way we react to them, we feel bad if Jesus[a.s] was mocked but if we verify the roots of the mockery is not just about Jesus being Jesus, no, most if not all of the jokes are not a comedian's innovation but rather a modification of an existing account of baloney attributed to him in your scripture. If i can recall there was a time when one of your so-called xtian comedian try to depict a biblical event to reflect Obasanjo's life, the joke goes:

[in the comedian words] There was a time when Adams, Atiku and Obasanjo pay a visit to one newly built church in Adams state, after inspecting, commending & bla bla bla before they leave Obasanjo saw a potrait of himself, the pastor and Jesus in the middle hung to the wall, Obasanjo was furious and ask Adams what is the meaning of that?, out of humility Adams answered, your excellency the purpose of it is for commemoration, appreciation and this and that, again Obasanjo inquired saying, dont you know that Jesus died in the middle of two thieves? and why dont u put my potrait in the place of the thief that will go to heaven? To cut it short Obj swap the pics and vacate the building in the end.

Feeling no shame ur xtian brethren laugh at this, they are even paying the comedian seeing they are happy and his job of telling them their God died in the middle of thieves is done well. Do you think an atheist would take xtianity seriously when this supposed xtian comedian crack this joke?

It is a shame for you to ask why dont we protest if an atheist repeat such jokes directed to jesus invented by xtians themselves. You are the ones inviting the trouble for yourselves dude, and if you are not ready to shun this hypocrisy the Muslims will never meet your demands.

deSika: aha bro, my question is not about wat christians think about Jesus. my question is about commedians wu use Jesus name wrongly. y muslims dnt react like they react 4 Muhammed.

1-Muslims dont disrespect their prophets.
2-The people that mock the prophets saw how xtians have no regard for theirs, and for this reason some of them want to try it on Islam but the Muslims are naturally swiftful in uprooting mischief as opposed to xtianity.
3-What they flaunt cannot be found in the QURAN thats why we must call for justice.


If someone say your God is helpless and he died between thieves crying would you foolishly blame us for not reacting?

Nonybb:
>THAT TRINITY TEACHES ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF THREE GOD IN ONE
>THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD
>THAT JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS FOR YOUR SINS AND THAT HE RESSURECTED

For those who do not understand the above lemme break it dwn 4 u.

>FATHER, JESUS & A GHOST. BOTH THE 3 ARE 1 = GOD.
> JESUS[a God] IS A SON TO GOD[himself].
>JESUS, A GOD, DIED[killed by his creation].

U did a wonderful job OP.