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egift:
1. The Pipeline security that allowed criminals to freely steal our crude oil.
2. An end to the NNPC board that have precised over the mismanagement of the refineries.
3. Kicking out the PDP government that turn blind eyes to the massive looting by their members and cabals.
4. The billions that was to be expanded by Jonathan in the name of fixing the Refineries in 2016 was out of the table because Buhari is here.
5. The Subsidy thieves and oil cabals that ensured the refineries were below capacity in order to increase their exploitative schemes have all backed off from these criminal acts.

Even the Bible said that [b]if the rightous is on the throne, the people rejoice.[/b

Special thanks to Buhari for bringing integrity to governance in Nigeria. Now everything is falling in line.

1)Contract expired ...buhari did nothing here...

2)NNPC board wasn't dissolved by buhari...there term expired with last administration and they went...Buhari keeps making a none existent orders...(eg; He was dissolving a board that wasn't existing at all...he was making an announcement about single treasury account that was existing already... he's simply confused )....

3)I hope it was PDP that made Lagos win award as the most corrupt state in Nigeria in 2014...made Osun comatose...bankrupted Imo state etc...

4)About 99billion was the cost of fixing the three(3) refineries and NOTHING changed...I challenge you to counter this...

5)Subsidy thieves actually camped in APC full time...Otherwise why is buhari who denied subsidy before May 29th now afraid and refusing to remove same...Oando, Conoil etc are HIGHEST beneficiaries of subsidy payment and TINUBU, OBJ as faces behind the mask...Capital oil that's close to Jonathan has been voicing out for subsidy removal.... While it is on record that APC stifled subsidy removal in 2012...So will they support something that supposedly benefits Jonathan more...Common sense should guide us here

6)If buhari brought integrity to governance... Why is he dodging halliburton fund?...why is he not removing subsidy which is encourages national survival but against selfish political interest...Or because the oil thieves have vowed to bring him down if he touches their largesse

egift:
Buhari's coming stopped the corruption holding the refineries down. With Buhari all the individuals started living up to their responsibilities. In March this year, Jonathan promised us 2016 with billions to be spent. But immediately Buhari came in, the need for billions vanished. While the 2016 date became now.

You can argue all you want, but Buhari's coming has got things working and those that held down these facilities to oil their looting channels are kicked out.

Whatever happened under Buhari is his praise or blame. But don't ever forget the mess Buhari is fixing is what Jonathan and the PDP left behind.

I think we should stop tales by moonlight here...Did you note points Nos 3 & 8...these are excerpts of the link attached there...

1)2016 date remains feasible going by realities on ground as at today...

2)Count 18months plus & minus from October 2014...and it will give you seemingly first quarter of 2016 still...

3)Check out the second link in original post again which was published some days ago...it gives same date for OPTIMAL output...

4)Check out first link...it shows that based on agreement with the local engineers, that production will be going on with TAM probably to test the quality or expertise deployed by these untested local engineers...

5)Provide evidence that the amount budgeted for the TAM has been cancelled...

6)Are you par chance insinuating that buhari is now deranged and lacks the capacity to address issues...because he said he has zero input refinery...while you think otherwise...Is buhari a dullard indeed

egift:
Answer the question and stop being intelligent by half. Who should take credit for the death of Osama?

1. Is it Bush that hunted him for years. Went to war. Expand security. Etc.

2. Or Obama that watched the Special US Team put a bullet in him?

Unfortunately, they didn't apply here...In your analogy Obama did something...

Kindly tell me what exactly is buhari's role here plzzz

Best wishes bro

laudate:
Hahaha.... .... it is people like you that misled that dead banker whose husband beat her to death and stabbed her. Tell me, what kind of communication do you want to have with a mad man? Share the experience with us, since you seem to have so much knowledge in this area.

Isn't it someone who wants to stand and listen to you, that you can communicate with?

Bros, go and get married first before yarning all these stories. Your view would change sharp, sharp once you are faced with domestic violence on a continuous basis.

When you are being battered black & blue, tell me how you can sit to incubate any egg?

I feel sorry for anyone who is in an abusive marriage that listens to your advice. Once a person's life is threatened in an abusive marriage, I beg pack your bags and go. No marriage in which a person is turned into a punching bag, is worth dying for!

You get babe wey you go give me for marriage?

I will always get married to peace of mind...No doubt...

Cannonleo:
you also forgot the massive local capacity improvement in military R and D never seen before since the early 70s
proforce,mekhog,NN ship building,frigh lan ,afit ,NAEME (both showed remarkable product delivery and just about to create a stable production line for their developments etc steadily

thanks boss...Jonathan may not be a good typical Nigeria politician but has an exceptional mindset and awesome policies that gave practical results...

Companies that left the country or are moribund came back to business after like 20years out, thanks to his policies but people still deny these facts as if they are nothing...

Lalasticlala ...your attention is needed here...thanks

Obinoscopy, Lalasticlala, Ishilove

MizMyColi:
Lalasticlala, Barcanista, whynotthetruth, francizy, midolian, PassingShot, barcanista , Dearpreye, Firefire, PPANGEL, wombraiders, wildrage, eyeview, Flets, Mogidi, IsraeliAirforce, Obiagelli, Egift, Donphilopus, Pendy79, Emekamex
NgeneUkwenu, Jarlons, Mynd44, Caseless, Maxymilliano, hinwazaka, AprokoMan, every one please.

There has been constant power supply or an average supply of 22hours since 2014 in our house in Awka though not same here in Lagos...

Added to rainy season effect...the answer isn't far fetched...

BTW we have more than enough installed capacity already of close to 12,000MW... Improved TCN managed by foreign consortium under Jonathan...and reduced bursting of gas pipelines now...

Gencos don't generate at optimum capacity for now...TCN are still installing some of the equipment gotten in the last administration...

Obiagelli:
Really? I am sure you are used to pdp way of doing things.

Why drop an evidence of one?...because denying the man outrightly and completely by Lai Mohammed already betrayed the fact that there's more than just meets the eye about lawal...Today, he's now talking of card and other innanities...

holatin:
Thank God one PDP mouthpiece is not only experiencing d change but talking about it.

PMB I believe

There's being constant or an average of 22hours power supply in our house in Awka as far as 2014...

jaybee3:
Why are you so quick to conclude the article was based on speculation whereas yours was based on facts

We are all using deductive reasoning in arriving at our positions

Do you know how they refine crude as in the technical specifications for the process plants?

So let's talk about basic chemistry, crude is refined through a seperation technique called fractional distillation.

So you flow the crude into a tank which is then heated after which the seperated products can be extracted at different temperatures

In engineering terms, you need a network of pipes to transport the raw, by and products.
You will need guages and valves
You need gas to heat the tank bla bla bla

What I'm getting at is trying to understand which of these stages of seperation process would have completely shut the refinieries down
The only probable reason that comes to mind is clogging and rusting of pipes which could have been rectified without needing a complete shutdown

1)Your link was simply an author airing his view on the crude imbroglio...hence I said he's speculating...

2)He said PH refinery had sole challenge of power...NOw, power has been rectified but it is still not on optimal output which makes a lie of that link...

3)Other ones are not up and running at optimum capacity which confirms that Jonathan was right after all...otherwise all should be running by now if your accusations and that of the link alongside other Buhari fans were right...

4)What is needed according to Jonathan and team was TAM which is system overhaul and servicing...facts on ground support this even under buhari so far...thereby making all other assumptions against Jonathan a fat lie...

Obiagelli:
So why did the pdp go out with accusations they don't have facts for, this why they need a crash course as lai Mohammed suggested.

Facts are already dropped... as against the position of outright denial of the man by APC on ray power and other media...it is impossible for APC to appoint a non-member into their campaign team... even other parties as well...nobody brings an alien in...

major466:
Great observation. At least not all people will be decieved by misinformation currently being peddled by the apc concerning the nation's refineries.
Those who have been following developments within the petroleum sector in the last eight years will attest to the fact that GEJ made great strites and effort, especially the promotion of local content that saw the rise and development of indegenous technology and capcity to manage high tech facilities. This leap was the major reason why TAM of our refineries was awarded to local engineers rather than foreigners. Not only did that helped saved cost, it also provided the enabling environment whereby all resources expended via TAM were re-invested within the oil sector by our local engineers for increase technological capacities.

Love this submission...thanks

Davvymavvy:
Political will was alien to the last administration in critical areas of national importance. Was it security, war against corruption and our battered image in the international community?....

1. Are you for real? that should be a sarcasm right?

2. Subsidy removal was a right initiative but at a wrong time. Even the partial removal had no bearing on the advancement of Nigerian people because of the lack of direction or of political will to implement necessary policies devoid of deceit and unnecessary patronage of the political hyenas that crowded the corridor of power in the last regime

3. To be fair to him, he tried in that aspect

4. Because they could see through the prism of their hypocrisy. Selling of country`s asset to few loyal friends

5. Where is the report of the probe? Who are those found culpable? Where are they now? Serving a jail term or wining and dinning with the power that be? The defaulters cut across political divides i know but nothing was done and you called that a proof?

6. Buhari`s intentions have always been geniune as evident in his approach viz a viz openness to national issues

1)I wonder if you understand the meaning of political will...If there's none, why subsidy removal?...why calling America bluff?...Why the stern warning on diplomats and observers like Kerry?...If buhari has as much; let him not run from subsidy and halliburton scandal case...(these two are facing him already)...

2)When is the right time?...How did implementation go wrong?...what would have been alternative?

3)You're not being fair but have no option than to be...

4)There's never a time that people NOT favoured by any transaction won't complain and tell tales...Even the world celebrated power sector privatisation has losers complaining as well and coming with different stories...

5)Judiciary is an independent arm of government... There's also case of plea bargain which is lawful...so grow past your jail mentality for any corruption case plzzz...

6)Governance isn't about intentions but actions...Let him remove subsidy if his national good intention is more than his selfish political interest...

7)Let him prosecute halliburton thieves if he's patriotic enough and sincere about good governance in an egalitarian society...

Mynd44:
*face-palms*

You are in over your head bro.

Call for back up.......

As in what?...

Which of your points have not been trashed out...

You only resorted to rhetorics and parables

Bring it on bro...get a ten of you and I can hold out all in real time...not bragging plzzz but saying the fact here

Mynd44:
You are also forgetting that there is a little issue of 445,000 BPD that goes to the NNPC for local consumption. That is supposed to go to the refineries but since the refineries are not working, no one has any idea who takes that.

Knowledge of who takes them or where they go is in the public... try Google or NNPC website...

jaybee3:
http://dailytrust.com.ng/daily/index.php/business/60836-85-of-crude-meant-for-local-refineries-exported-in-2014

What was in this write up is speculation not facts...

I am not vowing there can't be some behind the scene deals but in all privatization of these assets remains the only viable option... alongside restructuring them by breaking them down into smaller competitive units whose operations are transparent...

SarahBabyxx:
ROTFL i just read the first two lines.......c'mon not all light skinned chicks 'bleach'......some of us were actually born that way....some are mixed.

you should know better.......but who am i to argue with you LMAO

@hate doing this me.......chai! if i laugh na them go talk say i dey craze

Get over the pain and hurt of my words...quit going back to them...BTW you didn't reply my post on love

Obiagelli:
Really I have been replying a guy that says awful things like this

Believe me, I insult once insulted...I return the favour generously...
Did I insult you here?...Because you didn't insult me...that's me...
On her case, she betrayed our friendship by her attitude... thanks

Mynd44:
1. It took 3years to do the so called pre-requisites? On a issue that is so pertinent it can be called a national emergency and you can still come here to defend it? What is it with you people?

2. You completely misunderstand the anti-subsidy removal protests. People were not against subsidy removal, they were against the government not doing what was necessary before removing the subsidy. If the government had shown sincerity by fixing the refineries back then, there wont be anyone protesting against subsidy removal

3. Bla bla bla...results are more important

4. Those refineries are the Nation's assets. It was a lot better to fix it before selling as that will increase their worth. You don't sell things that don't work, they will be bought as scrap

5. Probe of subsidy thieves? Who was indicted? Who was prosecuted? Did anyone return any money? Please stop this

6. Osibanjo has always maintained that subsidy will not be removed until institutions are in placed which includes refineries. You don't remove subsidy while refineries are dead. That's wrong

1)I already explained this...Such transactions isn't as going to the ladipo to repair your car...(Don't add insults plzz; I am a cheerful giver in that sector)...

2)People were against subsidy removal in its entirety...Read labours position and ACN/CPC then now APC...notwithstanding the condition of refineries...They believed that the country can effectively and efficiently run refineries...which is against what Jonathan/team position that government has NO business running those...

3)Unless you do the right things, there can't be positive results...

4)Why not run a comparative analysis of these factors?...BTW labour union is against any form of sale...they believe in building more refineries...which is good music to the ear but economically not sustainable...

5)Unless you're not in Nigeria... many were indicted...many are still in court...many have paid back the shortfall in their supply through bringing in free product...It's not about waking up and throwing people into courts but following a judicial process and pronouncements whose jurisdiction fall outside the periphery of Jonathan mandate...

6)Now read from buhari himself...
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/07/no-genuine-reason-to-remove-oil-subsidy-yet-buhari/

Also read from falana(APC closet member) about his experience or knowledge of such probes...
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/07/limiting-probe-to-jonathan-administration-cannot-be-justified-falana-tells-buhari/

Mynd44; on your last post in this page...

1)I only showed you how easy a decision it is that made your chief consultant not to try it out...Buhari is also backing down from subsidy... which he used in coming to power terming Jonathan teams and beneficiaries of same...So it means buhari and his team are the ones looting same now...

2)You keep saying same thing using different grammar... Why not show evidence of how it can take less time...because I already gave you sample with mere design of plant that takes well over 6 months...

3)Banning a given product just like CBN refused selling dollars to some businesses was a mere executive fiat or economic decision which wasn't backed by any law of the land...Today LOCAL CONTENT LAW of Jonathan means there's NO SECTOR that can have any foreign investment devoid of local input even in their management cadre...(Argue with facts bro not tales by moonlight

4)Argument was that government should run the refineries themselves... while removing corruption and mismanagement not what you said there...

5)You're speaking in tongues...

6)You have no point here...On Chibok scam...let buhari enjoy the shadow of deaths they used innocent souls for dirty and ulterior motive...Lots of blood of innocents(corp members & chibok etc) are all forcing him to blab & hallucinate nowadays...

7)I gave you a link for this...Judiciary is an independent arm of government... and so you know, according to even our constitution, stealing isn't corruption... joke is on you

Oando has NEVER spoken for subsidy removal...Show me evidence bro...

9)Oil pipelines has been blown more than twice under buhari...(fact)...And we are not having it more because leaders there are proactive and patriotic unlike those who see military action against boko haram as fight against North...http://leadership.ng/news/449476/how-jonathan-others-aborted-tompolos-meeting-of-ex-militants

jaybee3:
With regards to point 4 of your original post, what's the reason for the complete shutdown of our refineries if they admitted production would be ongoing alongside the planned maintenance

I might accept if their reason for complete shutdown was due to the profitability and viability of running a refining petrochemical state owned company considering the price of crude and tight profit margin.

1)Refineries were already down and out with some having an abysmally low output...having been left with no TAM for years running... so it was the Jonathan TAM that revitalized and brought new lease of life into them...(Remember Jonathan/NNPC at a time did a comparative analysis of cost implications of getting them to optimal performance and outright privatization...

2)Your second point maybe tenable and was brought up during the argument between them and labour etc...

3)Truth is NNPC complexities far outweigh the ridiculous analysis we do online here...and would have done far better if deregulation plans of Jonathan succeeded...because it would have opened up that sector...

4)An undeniable fact about NNPC is that the problem is in the STRUCTURE not the FACES; as most people insinuate here...and structural solution lies in Jonathan's deregulation policy...

ok

Obiagelli:
This is more like it, they most likely share the same ideology but to say they are Apc members, you need to show proof not pictures.


You said earlier that the Apc was all about removing gej from office so I ask, is the pdp working to keep Buhari in office?

PDP doesn't have access to APC data bank to produce such card and not their party register in daura...and can't ask llawal to produce same...and what's the big deal in deregistering him immediately PDP raised alarm?...


On that, I mean different groups with the only bond being Jonathan must go desire...

Mynd44:
1. After how many years as president? You do realize that the decision to fix the refineries could have been taken since 2012 after the negotiations with Labor as a fallout of out of the anti-subsidy removal policy

2. Oh please Nigeria has always had the local content thingy. Which is why the military chose Peugeot cars as they were manufactured in Kaduna. That's also why President Obasanjo banned the importation of fruit juice which led to the local production. And oh if president Jonathan wanted to follow the local content laws, his official cars will have been Innoson.

3. TAM started in October 2014 after wasting how many months and money was being stolen due to fuel imports and false subsidy claims....stop embarrassing yourself

4. Terms and conditions....

5. But the minister for petroleum is also the boss on NNPC and he/she sets policies right? Why did it take so long before the NNPC took action on the refineries?

6. I did not say president Jonathan looted but I said the refineries not working enabled people loot. Wether he got kick-backs or the minister did is speculation

7. Ifeanyi Uba of Capital Oil is also a beneficiary and last I checked he was friends with the Jonathan administration

8. No one (at least not me) have said Buhari did anything to the refineries. But we all know vandalism has reduced with the appropriate agencies now manning the pipelines and crude oil theft is reducing.

9. Debate without insults

10. Done.

1)Why didn't APC chief consultant do same in his 8years with Atiku, Kwankwaso, Amechi, etc

2)Negotiations started 2012(fact) with original manufacturers before they moved on to Saipem and finally local engineers...(these things aren't like going to auto market in ladipo to fix a car)...

3)NO LOcal content law in Nigeria pre-jonathan bro...Study and understand it well bro...these are sacred facts bro...Understand the difference plzzz

4)If money is being stolen via subsidy payment....why did Nigerians stop Jonathan from removing same?...why is buhari dodging its removal?...Is it about national interest and survival or about selfish political interest

5)What terms and conditions bro...

6)Negotiations were on as far back as 2012...These things take real time...eg designing a plant ALONE takes over 6months...

7)And people that cheated through oil swap deal were submitted to EFCC by Jonathan for probe even this year...

Ifeanyi Ubah is among least beneficiaries compared to Oando...and he's for subsidy removal...

9)Gas pipeline vandalism?... Yes...Crude theft?...Debatable...(compare crude oil theft under Obj and Jonathan)...it all begs the question who was vandalizing gas pipeline?...when it is not useful to anybody when bursted...

10)sorry if you saw it as insults...but I used "We" which includes myself...

Davvymavvy:
This thread is expository but we must ask ourselves pertinent questions that bother on the sincerity of the last administration, since it was admitted production would be ongoing while fixing what needed to be fixed, was a litre of crude oil refined in any of our refineries when the said maintenance exercise was ongoing in the last regime?

Yes...so many facts show the sincerity and political will of the last administration to get it right in oil sector...

1)Existing facts have shown that having done the prerequisites and plants were up and running...the outflow we are getting now started coming...

2)Subsidy removal was another evidence of sincerity and political will to do the right things in oil sector by Jonathan and team...

3Deregulation of oil sector as evidenced in PIB is another evidence...

4)Privatisation or selling of refineries was another evidence though labour stood against such laudable initiative and killed it...

5)Probe of subsidy thieves who joined in bringing down his government is another proof...

6)Why not ask why is it that buhari who was against subsidy payment and said its Jonathan's means of milking the treasury refusing now to remove same...Does it mean he wants to milk the treasury too

SarahBabyxx:
I have nothing against you.....I was suprised when you said those things....I was really disappointed.despite how you throw jabs at me for being an 'Apc sympathizer'....I always let them slide cos in my mind I'd be like 'he's my padi' and I let it go.But I hit a wall last night


But its all good

You didn't tell me you love me more...

mykel25 : I actually decided to open a thread for it to give it more audience... thanks and bless you too...

Dharniel:
aii, your fact no. 6 is an assumption not a fact. then fact no. 9 is a question so my response will be the rate of unemployment is not justified and can never be justified.

It is an assumption and at same time a truism...NO government encouraged local expertise as much as Jonathan did...(FIRST indigenous and BLACK auto company was thanks to his auto policy{INNOSON} and FIRST indigenous major oil player to be quoted on NSE is thanks to his local content policy{SEPLAT}... and then these local engineers)...these are verifiable facts bro....

finestdjmoraj:
God bless you. Do you know her personally? I support good songs especially when it come from upcoming artists.

she is better than airforce1

I like the chorus and the second verse pass baddosneh own self

Don't bring others down plzzz...thanks

jaybee3 I believe you cleared too...I got your mention too...thanks bro

I hope the issue of body language has been laid to rest...