₦airaland Forum

bidex:
I was hoping to see something that will make sense but this does not make a bit of sense to me. There is an adage in Yoruba that says "ika to ba jale ni abe n ge" that means which ever finger that steals the knife cuts.
Look at Ghana today, how did they curb corruption? they did that by killing all the corrupt elites.
Look at china today, who ever that is in charge of public office found guilty of corruption is sentenced to death by hanging or firing squad.

How many are we going to kill in Nigeria start counting from your kindred to town to local government to state....before federal...even you yourself...aren't you corrupt.... is it just the leaders to you?

peterpierre1st:
Op, one thing you are not considering in the past millitary administrations is the fact that none of them was an administrator, they grab power as opportunity presents. Why do you think all of them want to come back and rule as a democrat apart from the juice to be squizzed? Anyway as per the GMB system of fighting corruption, it may work well this time because of his running mate. PYO is an administrator that I believe can stabilize things by book as a policy maker. Need to say also, that GMB's approach of jailing will work too cuz Nigeria at dis stage needs somone to instill fear as well for things to change in this nation. What you should look out for is the combination of the DUO.

How did this system of buhari work in reducing the menace of armed robbery

[quote author=Lizabeth25 post=31819701]Abeg, what is that saying about sinners not going unpunished?

OP. please think well! [/quote



How do you want us to punish sinners so that sinning will stop

curiouses:
So what is GEJ doing to discourage corruption? By giving the likes of Alams, Bode George state pardons, right? GEJ has killed the institutions created by OBJ to fight corruption.

Do you want strong individuals or strong institutions

zingywingy:
Ops got a bad ass thou.

China is more advanced and developed... But How do they fight corruption...??

GMB way...How does USA deal with corruption??

All is jail term and political ambition will be ruined

Can you authenticate this post with some evidence

sochima1989:
For PDP corruption is not the problem of Nigeria....and for APC they want to fight some aspect of corruption.... For me Jonathan and his carbinet will not fight corruption.

What aspect of it is APC fighting?
how did PDP believe corruption isn't a problem?

MORNDEW:
which strong institutions? Like crippling EFCC? asking police to teargas a speaker? And treathen a governor? Making the military to become Fayose driver? Marylin Ogar now speaking for PDP? NNPC now the bank of Diezanni? Some of u should help urself theres still time for that.

Do you even understand the meaning of strong institutions

BTW why are you jamming up different issues here

babadee1:
In other words, nothing. Okay I get you now.

If only my people know the cost of ignorance...

ifydio:
and which institution have Gej built in the past 6yrs?
how can one build an institution that prevents corruption while all involve in the building process are all corrupt...no one prosecuted cases of misappropriation swept under the carpet... corrupt officials being given recognition and striving immensely...to the detriment of the populace

What do you think is strong institution?

thanks dein77...

I support NO VIOLENCE...
I support Jonathan for continuity...
I support Buhari for retirement & statesmanship...
I support Seun for Nairaland continuity...
I support Dein77 for improved friendship...
I support team Jonathan for president...
I support team buhari for a dogged argument...

GOODLUCK NIGERIA...

curiouses:
Olodo. How many years did Buhari serve as head of state? And what was the level of corruption before his government was toppled?

Can you provide facts based on your question above

slimfit1:
Only a corrupt mind would take substance out of your trash essay. Your text is only valuable in a grave.

have you been to grave before now

kingthreat:
This opinion doesntmake sense.
Corruption cannot be killed. Its a tendency that can exist in every part of the world. What we need is strong institutions to curtail it.
How has GEJ fought corruption so far? a man who himself is massively corrupt.
And about jails, if you don't think thieves should be jailed, sorry to say but you're extremely gullible.

your grammar bro...what's strong institution in your own understanding.... how can we fight corruption better in Nigeria

demandtruth:
...he has a dinning conference for the corrupt; eating and drinking corruption.

Gej can't give what he lacks.
He lacks accountability

I like your moniker...but unfortunately, I am not sure you will know the truth when you see it with what you posted above...

dvee2:
Does GEJ fights corruption? Be objective and fair to yourself and answer this question

your grammar bro...

babadee1:
So are you going to mention the strong institutions that GEJ has been building or not?

It has been mentioned here but because you don't understand or read with prejudice; you didn't get it...read again bro from the initial post with open mind this time...

gwales:
so gej that have pardoned corrupt officials is now better than the person even his most ardent critics have agreed that he is corrupt free. not forgotten that the president said corruption is not stealing

Ignorance is really bad bro... and most of you aren't ashamed to display theres...Sure, corruption isn't stealing neither in English dictionary nor in our constitution...Punishment for offenders aren't same for them too according to our constitution...

Finally, presidential pardon is for sinners not saints...offenders & criminals NOT good citizens...and it is granted by state council with president as chairman...buhari and other former heads of government as members alongside other APC governors and PDP governors, senate president & others......if any of them objected to the pardon; then it won't be granted...

bokohalal:
Ask them. EFCC that was set up to fight corruption is itself corrupt and only runs after small Yahoo Yahoo boys in Benin city.

4:42pm On Mar 13
babadee1:
Which strong institution exactly is GEJ building? Please name them let us all know


Institutions here aren't agencies...let's read and comprehend before rushing out to criticise....

xrisdon:
I agree with you especially on this......
"what is the penalty for stealing govt's money?"
but again, thats where our law makers comes in,
they should enact laws base on that regard.

It seems you didn't even understand the topic or concept on which you opened a thread...some of your responses to criticisms aren't top class to me...

Boss13:
I did not insult you but considered the post to be dumb. Even this comment you just made. You do not assume on the premise of statements. We are in a democracy and in a democracy we are guided by the constitution (the highest law in the country). You cannot arrest people without any iota of suspicion. It is left on the onus of the alleged corrupt person to prove that he did not partake in any corrupt activity. Though, it is assume that corrupt persons are innocent until proven guilty.

From your post, I will presume that many of us do not understand how corruption is being fought. Some based their indices on conviction rate; others on the factors that create incentives for corrupt practices. Me, I will based mine on the leadership tone set above, because that is what drives and encompasses the urge to curb corruption.

Statements made by the President on corruption are not encouraging and hence, I tend to score his administration poor on the fight against corruption.

Aside that, if we take conviction rate as an indices you will find out that the EFCC is doing little or nothing and hence, the perception index is high (internally and externally).

System controls - The president has said he does not intend to lock up people in jail for corruption but to fight corruption with system. On a honest note, I like this approach because there is also considerable cost savings from prosecuting corrupt offenders (this cost includes; logistics, paper filing, court prosecution, lawyers fees, the use of experts and their fees (forensic auditing); and other miscellaneous cost attached for just one conviction). As revealed, it cost the Britons a huge estimate of money to convict Ibori (I have forgotten the actual figure). So this approach saves cost.

However, system controls can be overridden, especially but those who implemented it (for example, minister of finance, CBN, the president himself, other important aides e.t.c). Also, there may be one or more persons, with knowledge of the system, to collude and circumvent the operative effectiveness of the control system. Finally, system controls may fail.

So like I said previously, an effective fight against corruption, which our eminent president, isn't doing includes and is not just limited to system controls as recommended by the president -

- High leadership integrity and commitment on the fight on corruption
- Effective Anti-corruption Act
- Efficient and effective anti-corruption system controls
- Whistle blowing programs and procedures
- Effective law enforcement agencies to act as a deterrent
- Blacklisting and incarcerating corrupt offenders; by maintaining a good comprehensive list of corrupt offenders and circularizing them regularly.

Even with the above, there will still be droplets of corruption, however, the overall perception and actual corrupt practices will reduce drastically because the risk engaging in corruption will be outrageously higher than the benefit.

Now based on the above, can you honestly admit that President Jonathan is fighting corruption? I intentionally left out the bad attributes of corruption in order not to make my response verbose and also note that I did not insult your person.

Another free consultancy.

Have a great day

You made some good points here but still mixed up several issues and exhibited crass ignorance in others while contradicting yourself in some...watch your grammar too...

Boss13:
This is one of the dumbest post I have ever read.

Prosecuting corrupt persons is the last stage of fighting corruption. Where they are weak controls or the ineptitude of leaders to curb corruption, corruption will grow.

You first start fighting corruption through an anti-corruption bill. This sets the tone on how corruption will be tackled. The UK has about 4 Acts on Bribery and Corruption, including Acts of Terrorism and this is reviewed regularly.

Next, you check the controls in place to curb corruption, waste and theft. Now this is where Jonathan and his dumb aides are screaming (laughs). These controls (Physical or IT related) will ensure that it is difficult to engage in corrupt practices. Examples includes centralisation of payments (like the IIPS put in place by NOI), Proper authorisation of payments, good audit trails of transactions etc. These controls must be reviewed for weaknesses and strengthened at all times.

Now, because we have hardened criminals in this country, controls might not curb corruption. This is where prosecuting agencies like the EFCC and ICPC comes into play. However, these prosecuting agencies cannot prosecute or arrest persons who have engaged in corruption if they are not reported. Hence, there is the need for whistle blowing agency on corruption, where anonymous persons can whistle blow of suspected corrupt practices or alleged corrupt practices. Likewise, the office of auditor general of the federation, if they are very efficient should be able to spot corrupt transactions and report to the prosecuting offices.

Also, corruption does not end with Public offices alone. It is even more perpetrated in private organisations. Now, it should be mandatory that every organisation train their employee on anti-corruption practices and send training reports and attendance on an annual basis. Whistle blowing can also work for private organisations too. Directors or CEOs would gets involved with corruption should be blacklisted amid prison time and should never hold such position nor get involved with corporate governance. The same should be application to public officer holders too.

That is free consultancy and that is how you fight corruption.

Forcing yourself to sound intelligent, coherent, and reasonable...you just disappointed yourself again...

Lucasbalo:
When did GEJ become a world leader?. A leader of a perpetual third world country with his neck deep down in corruption and nepotism . He couldn't be an alderman here in Chitown . The day of reckoning is around the corner. God help Nigeria and Nigerians from their worst nightmare .

What are you trying to say...Can you summarize?

tablu:
Official salary for GEJ cannot be estimated.Asso villa has a strong room in which he has unlimited access to...Even obama salary sef no near wetin GEJ dey spend annually! ACCOUNTABILITY IS ZERO IN THIS GOVT!

www.beerparlour gossip.com

suwailad:
When he can steal all he wants from our treasury accounts.

With you as the keeper...

jaybee3:
Are you suggesting it's okay to excuse his contribution for the continous polarisation just because he didn't start it?
He lied about the state of electricity
You are obviously trying to emulate your master by attempting to differentiate using dictionary definition when it's glaring the context in which the utterances was made points exactly to him rendering any potential inquest pointless with the bold assertion.
His primary responsibility is to protect all citizens so what exactly is your point?

Bro, it is funny when you guys lie and you're busted; you start grappling with straws...I hope you still remember your question or accusation against Jonathan

Now, the buhari you support is neck deep into ethnicity, tribalism and nepotism etc...hence Buhari is PRACTISING it while you accuse Jonathan based on mere speech...
You want evidence?...

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/02/jonathan-superior-presidential-material-buhari/


And read this too: Ekwueme was never tried but was illegally detained for 20 months.
Hear him:
"I waited for them for 20 months and they didn’t even come to ask me a question
because I was the first person to be detained from December 31".
Read this Ekwueme's interview: http://sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=8561


As head of state; buhari jailed ekwueme and left shagari under house arrest...
He left Gov Awwal under house arrest and jailed Ondo governor...
He jailed fela and left jokolo to walk free...

Do you want more?

Yes, meaning of words matters a lot because that's what is used in court of law not beer parlour gist...even our constitution has different meanings and different punishments for them...so what again...

Kindly provide link for the said interview..

Yes, what is the primary assignment of Shettima in borno?? BTW you didn't answer any of my questions.... is it a case of elective amnesia?....lolz

dein77:
I've not known this guy to run away from arguments, especially those involving facts and figures! Expect a reply from him.

U both are doing great...I'm the umpire here.

lolz...I am waiting

PassingShot:
Pathetic liar of the highest order!

Buhari's wife didn't donate anything from her pocket. The donation was contributed by various interest parties to a group which she leads.

Buhari has only a daughter abroad and we have since known that he sold a property to be able to do that.

It's worthless discussing anything with you. Sorry!

Whynotthetruth :
Show me the men of integrity in APC?...Is it buhari who said he took loan to buy form
of 27m and his wife was seen giving 138m to IDP with children abroad ...who
refused to apologize for his inhuman treatment against Nigeria and Nigerians?... who
refused to present his certificate thus laying foundation for 'sacred cows' in our
constitution?... Awarding ALL projects initiation, execution, supervision, etc to one
company (his in law)?...campaigning against his country because his Fulani brother
from Niger republic is contesting too?...Saying abacha did not loot even with all the
evidence around...
Who's that man of integrity in APC ..who are they? are they ghosts?...where are
the names?...
BTW did you read what APC Tunde Bakare' s view about Buhari & APC cronies
I can be convinced with superior view and information...

http://www.punchng.com/news/buharis-wife-donates-n135m-drugs-to-adamawa-idps/

Which of them is a lie bro

PassingShot:
I didn't know that calling a person that has told lies a liar is an insult. Pardon my ignorance.

Done and out.

Out for what?...Are you running in the face of facts and figures?....What do you have to say about the link I gave you?...Are you still insisting that a group instead of Madam Buhari donated.... APC and lies are like Siamese twins...

Change2015:
I am sorry but this is a thin and not credible argument. First of all Ekwuemes residence when searched produced a volume of dollars that needed explaining and he was detained pending the outcome (you jail people after a conviction). The operations of the coup were masterminded by General IBB and Bako, and Buhari who had little involvement in it was selected as the most credible person to head the junta. And he has made it clear that he accepts responsibility for that regimes actions. One would also need to know what he knew about Peter Onu that he strongly objected to. Buhari is the same man that worked with Israeli security operatives to containerise Umaru Dikko in the UK in a failed attempt to bring him to justice. He is the same man who was instrumental in getting Dora Akunyili to head the fledgling Nafdac, because he remembered her honesty from years before. You are the one determined to see some Fulani plot in his actions, but he has many friends across the nation who testify to his good character and uprightness, even the Igbo man who says that during the civil war aftermath, he saved the man and his car from being looted by fellow soldiers, and had his harassers punished.
Your charge is not well founded, but I understand this is election season. Even the government has not come out with this kind of empty rhetoric because it is truly easy to dismiss.

#change
#GMB
#APC

Bro, you're really funny...Someone gave you names; dates; places and events with even source for further reading and you have the temerity to say it is "thin" and then proceeded to render a tales by moonlight as authentic facts & figures with no source; date; events or places...how ridiculous can it get again?...I CHALLENGE YOU TO COUNTER ANY OF THOSE FACTS...NOT beer parlour gist ooo...present facts and figures to counter me...

1)Investigation by buhari's panel showed that Ekwueme left government POORER than he came in but a buhari wouldn't hear of it...why?

2)Buhari even in his own recent interview accepted being a coup plotter and you're here distorting facts...

3)If buhari accepts responsibility; has he apologized

4)Buhari NEVER worked with Israeli security but hired an illicit agent and medical practitioner who drugged Umar Dikko before the arrest of those men in Heathrow and subsequent imprisonment while Dikko was freed...this sparked diplomatic unrest between UK and Nigeria...

5)Buhari ONLY gave Akunyili a letter of commendation for her sincerity...Years later, Obj wanted a sincere person to head NAFDAC; friends who were privy to that event now recommended Akunyili to Obj...buhari didn't recommend or appoint her into nafdac plz...

6)What justification does a head of state have to campaign against his country... If your country's candidate isn't good enough; why not pick another person from your country as candidate...

7)I wonder if you understand the meaning of empty rhetoric otherwise between myself who gave you facts with verifiable source and yourself who is sharing beer parlour gist without a SINGLE source; who's presenting "empty rhetoric"....

Let me give you more sources again... PRESENT YOURS TO COUNTER ME...

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/02/jonathan-superior-presidential-material-buhari/


https://therealbuhari./


http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/01/buhari-will-never-president-nigeria/

http://www.nigerianbestforum.com/blog/as-ex-coup-plotter-buhari-not-qualified-to-rule-–-dele-momodu/


And read this too: Ekwueme was never tried but was illegally detained for 20 months.
Hear him:
"I waited for them for 20 months and they didn’t even come to ask me a question
because I was the first person to be detained from December 31".
Read this Ekwueme's interview: http://sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=8561


DO YOU WANT MORE EVIDENCE... Lolz...

PassingShot:
Pathetic liar of the highest order!

Buhari's wife didn't donate anything from her pocket. The donation was contributed by various interest parties to a group which she leads.

Buhari has only a daughter abroad and we have since known that he sold a property to be able to do that.

It's worthless discussing anything with you. Sorry!

I haven't insulted you bro...present facts not gossips...I
don't do lies and propaganda like APC and buhari...I CHALLENGE YOU TO COUNTER ANY OF THOSE FACTS I PRESENTED...

Which group contributed... lolz... it seems lies is irreplaceable component of APC DNA...

http://www.punchng.com/news/buharis-wife-donates-n135m-drugs-to-adamawa-idps/

Show me the group that donated in that report...who's the liar now...lolz

Google63:
Every right thinking Nigerian knows what he wrote is right. Ask your kid brother, he'll confirm it

jaybee3:
Igbos are the backbone of my presidency
Interview with Christine Amanpour at Davos
No money is missing but yet $1B+ was unremitted by NNPC
The ekitigate
Chibok girls
Need more?

Wow...was that how he polarized the nation?...Was Nigeria united before Jonathan? So ethnicity, nepotism etc wasn't reigning supreme before him?
So Jonathan started the under listed or caused them;
1)All the northern massacre of non-indigenes was what?
2)religious intolerance in the north was what?
3)Tiv-fulani herdsmen battle was what?
4)Asaba genocide
5)Eastern military officers massacre
5)Civil war...
6)opc killing of non-indigenes especially under tinubu most in ajegunle area of Lagos...
7)buhari betrayal of Nigeria in OAU election...

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/02/jonathan-superior-presidential-material-buhari/

All these were before Jonathan presidency; so tell me how Jonathan started polarizing Nigeria or polarized Nigeria

What lie did he tell in the interview bro

Pick up your dictionary bro...there's whole lot of difference between "missing" and "unremitted"...Are they same to you...both in spelling, pronunciation, & meaning

Ekitigate wasn't election rigging plan but a discussion on how to stop fayemi thugs from having free movement and also stop APC politicians from moving out the money shared to them in government house to the field...If ekiti election was rigged; how come fayose won fayemi even in his local government...

Chibok girls with Jonathan as C in C but Shettima as chief security officer in the state with security votes is there...What did he do? what proactive measure did he take even after Jonathan (federal government) through waec has advised against having exams there?

Yes I need more facts not empty rhetorics...

jaybee3:
Igbos are the backbone of my presidency
Interview with Christine Amanpour at Davos
No money is missing but yet $1B+ was unremitted by NNPC
The ekitigate
Chibok girls
Need more?

Wow...was that how he polarized the nation?...Was Nigeria united before Jonathan? So ethnicity, nepotism etc wasn't reigning supreme before him?
So Jonathan started the under listed or caused them;
1)All the northern massacre of non-indigenes was what?
2)religious intolerance in the north was what?
3)Tiv-fulani herdsmen battle was what?
4)Asaba genocide
5)Eastern military officers massacre
5)Civil war...
6)opc killing of non-indigenes especially under tinubu most in ajegunle area of Lagos...
7)buhari betrayal of Nigeria in OAU election...

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/02/jonathan-superior-presidential-material-buhari/

All these were before Jonathan presidency; so tell me how Jonathan started polarizing Nigeria or polarized Nigeria

What lie did he tell in the interview bro

Pick up your dictionary bro...there's whole lot of difference between "missing" and "unremitted"...Are they same to you...both in spelling, pronunciation, & meaning

Ekitigate wasn't election rigging plan but a discussion on how to stop fayemi thugs from having free movement and also stop APC politicians from moving out the money shared to them in government house to the field...If ekiti election was rigged; how come fayose won fayemi even in his local government...

Chibok girls with Jonathan as C in C but Shettima as chief security officer in the state with security votes is there...What did he do? what proactive measure did he take even after Jonathan (federal government) through waec has advised against having exams there?

Yes I need more facts not empty rhetorics...