₦airaland Forum

hensben:
Which kind mumu talk be this.

Is the kind of talk that advises your kind to understand a thing before criticism...

kingthreat:
Negro, I told you I'm at work. You're not paying my bills. And if you got a problem with that you can take a sniff on my balls. Bye

You would answered those questions with same amount of time spent telling me that you are busy...

dotfam2104:
...lets be practical here bro, if u dont jail pple, they wont be conscious of d fact dah there is a punishment for corruption. Av u ever wondered y corrupt govt officials detest a buhari presidency? Am very sure its cz of hz track record, dey knw under a buhari presidency doz convicted of graft wld be jailed. Its one thing to av a system dat discourages corruption nd its anoher thing to lock corrupt pple in cells. Both are necessary with with d level of corruptn in d system.

So has killing and jailing of armed robbers helped to reduce armed robbery in Nigeria

inereunwa1:
The name Gej its self is synonymous with corruption

What's your name synonymous with

curiouses:
Only strong individuals can make a strong institutions a reality.

what do you understand by strong institutions

kingthreat:
i was typing fast via my phone. Couldn't punctuate much.
I got work to do. Learn from someone else

Are you sure you have valid answers after all to my questions

kaysce:
Cow, Bush pig....... ur caption is deceptive because its claims to intend to do a comparison of GMB vs GEJ. but ur article is full of rants without substance. Ur ave deceived everyone who opened this link expecting a comparison, just as ur PDP and GEJ is deceiving their family not US.

You also didnt mention any style of GEJ against corruption... because.... its non existent.....

please go and invest the dollars they gave u well ooo, dnt spend it frivolously because its the end of the Corrupt largesse that GEJ wold benefit u.. come March 28th,...... SAI Buhari........ Better Nigeria

how has APC cum buhari system of corruption extermination helped in stopping Lagos from winning the most corrupt state in Nigeria

ifydio:
and which strong institution is he building or have he built in the 5yrs of being the GCFR?
how can you be building a corrupt free institution when the builders are extremely corrupt... when cases of huge misappropriation have been swept under the carpet... corrupt officials celebrated with honours..corruption striving to the detriment of the populace...huge funds missing ...

these questions wouldn't have come up if you understood what strong institutions mean...

bidex:
I was hoping to see something that will make sense but this does not make a bit of sense to me. There is an adage in Yoruba that says "ika to ba jale ni abe n ge" that means which ever finger that steals the knife cuts.
Look at Ghana today, how did they curb corruption? they did that by killing all the corrupt elites.
Look at china today, who ever that is in charge of public office found guilty of corruption is sentenced to death by hanging or firing squad.

How many are we going to kill in Nigeria start counting from your kindred to town to local government to state....before federal...even you yourself...aren't you corrupt.... is it just the leaders to you?

peterpierre1st:
Op, one thing you are not considering in the past millitary administrations is the fact that none of them was an administrator, they grab power as opportunity presents. Why do you think all of them want to come back and rule as a democrat apart from the juice to be squizzed? Anyway as per the GMB system of fighting corruption, it may work well this time because of his running mate. PYO is an administrator that I believe can stabilize things by book as a policy maker. Need to say also, that GMB's approach of jailing will work too cuz Nigeria at dis stage needs somone to instill fear as well for things to change in this nation. What you should look out for is the combination of the DUO.

How did this system of buhari work in reducing the menace of armed robbery

[quote author=Lizabeth25 post=31819701]Abeg, what is that saying about sinners not going unpunished?

OP. please think well! [/quote



How do you want us to punish sinners so that sinning will stop

curiouses:
So what is GEJ doing to discourage corruption? By giving the likes of Alams, Bode George state pardons, right? GEJ has killed the institutions created by OBJ to fight corruption.

Do you want strong individuals or strong institutions

zingywingy:
Ops got a bad ass thou.

China is more advanced and developed... But How do they fight corruption...??

GMB way...How does USA deal with corruption??

All is jail term and political ambition will be ruined

Can you authenticate this post with some evidence

sochima1989:
For PDP corruption is not the problem of Nigeria....and for APC they want to fight some aspect of corruption.... For me Jonathan and his carbinet will not fight corruption.

What aspect of it is APC fighting?
how did PDP believe corruption isn't a problem?

MORNDEW:
which strong institutions? Like crippling EFCC? asking police to teargas a speaker? And treathen a governor? Making the military to become Fayose driver? Marylin Ogar now speaking for PDP? NNPC now the bank of Diezanni? Some of u should help urself theres still time for that.

Do you even understand the meaning of strong institutions

BTW why are you jamming up different issues here

babadee1:
In other words, nothing. Okay I get you now.

If only my people know the cost of ignorance...

ifydio:
and which institution have Gej built in the past 6yrs?
how can one build an institution that prevents corruption while all involve in the building process are all corrupt...no one prosecuted cases of misappropriation swept under the carpet... corrupt officials being given recognition and striving immensely...to the detriment of the populace

What do you think is strong institution?

thanks dein77...

I support NO VIOLENCE...
I support Jonathan for continuity...
I support Buhari for retirement & statesmanship...
I support Seun for Nairaland continuity...
I support Dein77 for improved friendship...
I support team Jonathan for president...
I support team buhari for a dogged argument...

GOODLUCK NIGERIA...

curiouses:
Olodo. How many years did Buhari serve as head of state? And what was the level of corruption before his government was toppled?

Can you provide facts based on your question above

slimfit1:
Only a corrupt mind would take substance out of your trash essay. Your text is only valuable in a grave.

have you been to grave before now

kingthreat:
This opinion doesntmake sense.
Corruption cannot be killed. Its a tendency that can exist in every part of the world. What we need is strong institutions to curtail it.
How has GEJ fought corruption so far? a man who himself is massively corrupt.
And about jails, if you don't think thieves should be jailed, sorry to say but you're extremely gullible.

your grammar bro...what's strong institution in your own understanding.... how can we fight corruption better in Nigeria

demandtruth:
...he has a dinning conference for the corrupt; eating and drinking corruption.

Gej can't give what he lacks.
He lacks accountability

I like your moniker...but unfortunately, I am not sure you will know the truth when you see it with what you posted above...

dvee2:
Does GEJ fights corruption? Be objective and fair to yourself and answer this question

your grammar bro...

babadee1:
So are you going to mention the strong institutions that GEJ has been building or not?

It has been mentioned here but because you don't understand or read with prejudice; you didn't get it...read again bro from the initial post with open mind this time...

gwales:
so gej that have pardoned corrupt officials is now better than the person even his most ardent critics have agreed that he is corrupt free. not forgotten that the president said corruption is not stealing

Ignorance is really bad bro... and most of you aren't ashamed to display theres...Sure, corruption isn't stealing neither in English dictionary nor in our constitution...Punishment for offenders aren't same for them too according to our constitution...

Finally, presidential pardon is for sinners not saints...offenders & criminals NOT good citizens...and it is granted by state council with president as chairman...buhari and other former heads of government as members alongside other APC governors and PDP governors, senate president & others......if any of them objected to the pardon; then it won't be granted...

bokohalal:
Ask them. EFCC that was set up to fight corruption is itself corrupt and only runs after small Yahoo Yahoo boys in Benin city.

4:42pm On Mar 13
babadee1:
Which strong institution exactly is GEJ building? Please name them let us all know


Institutions here aren't agencies...let's read and comprehend before rushing out to criticise....

xrisdon:
I agree with you especially on this......
"what is the penalty for stealing govt's money?"
but again, thats where our law makers comes in,
they should enact laws base on that regard.

It seems you didn't even understand the topic or concept on which you opened a thread...some of your responses to criticisms aren't top class to me...

Boss13:
I did not insult you but considered the post to be dumb. Even this comment you just made. You do not assume on the premise of statements. We are in a democracy and in a democracy we are guided by the constitution (the highest law in the country). You cannot arrest people without any iota of suspicion. It is left on the onus of the alleged corrupt person to prove that he did not partake in any corrupt activity. Though, it is assume that corrupt persons are innocent until proven guilty.

From your post, I will presume that many of us do not understand how corruption is being fought. Some based their indices on conviction rate; others on the factors that create incentives for corrupt practices. Me, I will based mine on the leadership tone set above, because that is what drives and encompasses the urge to curb corruption.

Statements made by the President on corruption are not encouraging and hence, I tend to score his administration poor on the fight against corruption.

Aside that, if we take conviction rate as an indices you will find out that the EFCC is doing little or nothing and hence, the perception index is high (internally and externally).

System controls - The president has said he does not intend to lock up people in jail for corruption but to fight corruption with system. On a honest note, I like this approach because there is also considerable cost savings from prosecuting corrupt offenders (this cost includes; logistics, paper filing, court prosecution, lawyers fees, the use of experts and their fees (forensic auditing); and other miscellaneous cost attached for just one conviction). As revealed, it cost the Britons a huge estimate of money to convict Ibori (I have forgotten the actual figure). So this approach saves cost.

However, system controls can be overridden, especially but those who implemented it (for example, minister of finance, CBN, the president himself, other important aides e.t.c). Also, there may be one or more persons, with knowledge of the system, to collude and circumvent the operative effectiveness of the control system. Finally, system controls may fail.

So like I said previously, an effective fight against corruption, which our eminent president, isn't doing includes and is not just limited to system controls as recommended by the president -

- High leadership integrity and commitment on the fight on corruption
- Effective Anti-corruption Act
- Efficient and effective anti-corruption system controls
- Whistle blowing programs and procedures
- Effective law enforcement agencies to act as a deterrent
- Blacklisting and incarcerating corrupt offenders; by maintaining a good comprehensive list of corrupt offenders and circularizing them regularly.

Even with the above, there will still be droplets of corruption, however, the overall perception and actual corrupt practices will reduce drastically because the risk engaging in corruption will be outrageously higher than the benefit.

Now based on the above, can you honestly admit that President Jonathan is fighting corruption? I intentionally left out the bad attributes of corruption in order not to make my response verbose and also note that I did not insult your person.

Another free consultancy.

Have a great day

You made some good points here but still mixed up several issues and exhibited crass ignorance in others while contradicting yourself in some...watch your grammar too...

Boss13:
This is one of the dumbest post I have ever read.

Prosecuting corrupt persons is the last stage of fighting corruption. Where they are weak controls or the ineptitude of leaders to curb corruption, corruption will grow.

You first start fighting corruption through an anti-corruption bill. This sets the tone on how corruption will be tackled. The UK has about 4 Acts on Bribery and Corruption, including Acts of Terrorism and this is reviewed regularly.

Next, you check the controls in place to curb corruption, waste and theft. Now this is where Jonathan and his dumb aides are screaming (laughs). These controls (Physical or IT related) will ensure that it is difficult to engage in corrupt practices. Examples includes centralisation of payments (like the IIPS put in place by NOI), Proper authorisation of payments, good audit trails of transactions etc. These controls must be reviewed for weaknesses and strengthened at all times.

Now, because we have hardened criminals in this country, controls might not curb corruption. This is where prosecuting agencies like the EFCC and ICPC comes into play. However, these prosecuting agencies cannot prosecute or arrest persons who have engaged in corruption if they are not reported. Hence, there is the need for whistle blowing agency on corruption, where anonymous persons can whistle blow of suspected corrupt practices or alleged corrupt practices. Likewise, the office of auditor general of the federation, if they are very efficient should be able to spot corrupt transactions and report to the prosecuting offices.

Also, corruption does not end with Public offices alone. It is even more perpetrated in private organisations. Now, it should be mandatory that every organisation train their employee on anti-corruption practices and send training reports and attendance on an annual basis. Whistle blowing can also work for private organisations too. Directors or CEOs would gets involved with corruption should be blacklisted amid prison time and should never hold such position nor get involved with corporate governance. The same should be application to public officer holders too.

That is free consultancy and that is how you fight corruption.

Forcing yourself to sound intelligent, coherent, and reasonable...you just disappointed yourself again...

Lucasbalo:
When did GEJ become a world leader?. A leader of a perpetual third world country with his neck deep down in corruption and nepotism . He couldn't be an alderman here in Chitown . The day of reckoning is around the corner. God help Nigeria and Nigerians from their worst nightmare .

What are you trying to say...Can you summarize?

tablu:
Official salary for GEJ cannot be estimated.Asso villa has a strong room in which he has unlimited access to...Even obama salary sef no near wetin GEJ dey spend annually! ACCOUNTABILITY IS ZERO IN THIS GOVT!

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suwailad:
When he can steal all he wants from our treasury accounts.

With you as the keeper...