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Jbenue:
Your comprehension skills are very low. I really shouldn't be trying to debate with a person who basks in self ignorance. GEJ has the legal right to pardon BOKO HARAM's leader if he is ever caught and convicted. Should he? Of course not!!!

You are a teacher of class of children you are constantly warning them not to cheat because cheating is rampant in the school and they are very good at hiding it. You finally catch one student in the act. But in front of the whole school you let him go scot free because he/she said sorry sir. What message does that send to the children of the school? THINK USE YOUR HEAD. Don't defend what cannot and should not be defended.

You like mentioning the constitution per chance you might take a glance at it one day.





Chapter VI











The Executive

Part I
Federal Executive



A - The President of the Federation

130. (1) There shall be for the Federation a President.

(2) The President shall be the Head of State, the Chief Executive of the Federation and Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Federation.

131. A person shall be qualified for election to the office of the President if -

(a) he is a citizen of Nigeria by birth;

(b) he has attained the age of forty years;

(c) he is a member of a political party and is sponsored by that political party; and

(d) he has been educated up to at least School Certificate level or its equivalent.


And yes The USA did emulate the British in there use of a Head of State. I really don't know why you are arguing this matter? But then again why does a Goat charge a tree?

Link to the Constitution: http://www.nigeria-law.org/ConstitutionOfTheFederalRepublicOfNigeria.htm#FederalExecutive

I am trying not insult you anyway...but be sure this will be my last reply to you on this issue....
Whatever your brain is telling you that's making you to puff and insult me doesn't hold water in any court of competent jurisdiction here...We run by our constitution not by our hearts or any moral dictum...full stop...you can deride yourself by conjuring whatever analogy that makes you happy...CONSTITUTION IS SUPREME AND GUIDES OUR DAILY ACTIONS & INACTIONS...

From your link; we shall have a PRESIDENT not a head of state or whatever you wanna conjure and defend here to massage your ego of claiming high cognitive reasoning...or the essay you keeping bordering me with.... Go back to where you started calling Jonathan head of state and see how wrong and how right you are....Intelligence isn't by LONG essays, empty rhetorics and unending spewing of grammar... SIT DOWN AND RE-EXAMINE yourself...enjoy bro....

BTW we practise presidential system like america with executive (president), legislature(bicameral)& judiciary like USA...unlike Britain that practises monarchical system...thanks

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Yomieluv:
Gej has helped me built my physique,due to constant pulling of the generator,with that,I felt his impact..

He has helped me be security conscious too,cos I have to sleep with one eye opened now...

Can you join my village vigilante

medamillion:
You know I told you to look beyond TAN advert

Nigeria annual inflation rate continued to grow to 8.4 percent in February of 2015 from 8.2 percent in the previous month, as a falling naira keep pushing imported food prices up.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/nigeria/inflation-cpi

What is your problem bro?...you asked us to state personal experience... someone is telling you his personal experience and you are shunning him to look beyond TAN advert...did TAN pluck the advert from the moon...They stated what's happening here in Nigeria...Or did you open the thread to record insults and curses on Jonathan

Better roads for my road travels...safer air when I am travelling by air within the country (haven't travelled abroad sha)...most importantly; wonderful and improved security in my home when I travel home(night life is superb bro)....great business environment and favourable policies to enhance same...Job for my siblings... What again do I seek from him...I am satisfied bro...Is there room for improvement?...Yes...who will do it better?...Jonathan... but buhari is said to hate corruption?... by who?...APC?...No No No...that's Association of Propaganda Criminals...thanks Jonathan... thanks Op...

Jbenue:
YES it is constitutional and legally done but does it send the right message? Answer that! Just because Buhari and APC did not object doesn't mean it was right, PDP and APC are two sides of the same rusted coin.

Just do simple research before you start arguing for no reason, not everything is an open invitation to argument. Quote from Wikipedia "The President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria is the head of state and head of the national executive of Nigeria. The President of Nigeria is also the commander-in-chief of the Nigerian Armed Forces."

We borrowed the idea of a head of state from the British who run a constitutional monarchy in which the monarch is head of state, an office that represents national unity and national identity otherwise known as the sovereign while the Prime minister the the head of the monarch's royal government. Same with the USA OBAMA is the head of State as the sovereign and the Head of Government. Kai ignorance is rampant in this country and just to take simple correction gini!

First, countries are run based on CONSTITUTION not MORALITY... So once it is constitutional; whatever you are saying is your own palava...so don't ever insult Jonathan when what he's doing is constitutional whether you like it or not...our constitution wasn't tailored to please you or anyone in particular...

Nigeria's democracy is tailored after that of America...it has nothing to do with our colonial masters system of government... Kindly show me any document(s) where Jonathan is referred to as a head of state instead of president...

Note, that our system of government is presidential system borrowed from America where executive power is concentrated on one person unlike in UK where we have a ceremonial head as queen and prime minister as head of state or whatever... thanks

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Jbenue:
Diepreye Alamieyeseigha was convicted by I court of Law on fraud was he not? So what is not clear about that and then he was PARDONED by his political protege Jonathan. If you are serious about fighting corruption what message does this send out? Don't just blindly support Jonathan in this, he was wrong to pardon this man on amoral level. I know it is well within his right as president to pardon Alamieyeseigha, however it was an unscrupulous and ridiculous decision for him to do so, given the already corrupt mentality of Nigerian public office holders. IT SENDS OUT THE WRONG MESSAGE.

Perhaps you did not know but the president of the Federal Republic of Nigeria is bothe Head of State and Head of Government. Educated yourself sir.

You are really one of a kind...smh
Do you know the difference between constitutionality and morality

Did you even understand my initial reply to you before writing this thesis again to me

Head of state is to military government while president is to democracy... there's a difference between the two...stop spraying ignorance around here plz...

What's your problem with presidential pardon?...why is it in our constitution?... what is the use of it?...When is it right it use it?...why is it the prerogative of council of state?...did buhari or any APC governor object to the pardon?....so why are spraying ignorance here with so much grammar....Are we talking about religion or government here?.... Constitution is our guide bro...good pm

[quote author=dotfam2104 post=31825795][/quote]Your argument is flawed bro...
I just answered these questions and you are repeating them again...Is it a problem of comprehension or you just wanna be repeating yourself in the name of argument

To some of you examples; with the latest automated system of revenue collection Jonathan introduced... most agencies and ministries won't have access to cash talk
more of stealing same...it is a cashless system...When there's no money; there won't be any stealing and you won't have a farouk lawan to probe anything and be caught in the web or subsidy scam because the system
has been fixed...Now some exceptional cases that will crop up; will be very easy to detect and punished according to existing laws of the land(cf our anti-corruption laws as amended)....

E.g...Just like how the system crashed last December when some people wanted to manoeuvre and steal...hence they only delayed federal staff salaries but didn't steal again... you can now trace such people and punish them...it is this magic that also helped stop fertilizer scam without much ado...PHCN which has been privatised won't experience corruption again as what happened when NITEL(most corrupt agency then) was privatised is happening to it now(corruption will die natural death there)....thanks

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olami234lekan:
This your writeup is irritating.
The only cause of corruption is the conviction of the perpetrators that they will live to spend there loot. And that's also the mistake that Buhari made then. If he had been executing those corrupt leaders then instead of jailing them he would have gotten the desired result in that short period of time. However his tactics of jailing them will have also worked but with a longer time. Note that the only act of corruption is killing Nigerians on a daily basis so anybody found in the act should be killed. To give justice to those that lost their life because of corrupt leaders.

You guys are funny... you quoted that guy only to say this...plz bro; can you tell me why there are still thousands of drug trafficking offenders everyday even with death penalty in most Muslim countries.... Can you also tell me why armed robbery hasn't stopped even with all the killings and jail terms...Can you also tell me why corruption is LOWER in New Zealand that doesn't kill corrupt officials than in China where corruption carries capital punishment?

Jbenue:
Yes we all know pardon are for criminals. Whether the right to pardon should even be exercised when a court of Law has convicted a person is a debate in itself.
As the head of state and the head of government perception in everything you carry out is key. If corruption has been identified as Nigerias greatest problem by the president, and most be stopped at all cost. When a high profile person who happens to be a sitting governor is cuaght red handed and convicted this sends out a message that corruption will not be tolerated. But what GEJ did in his capacity as head of state and government in pardoning a convicted fraudster severely undermines this message of zero tolerance for corruption. It may even embolden future public office holder to engage in corrupt practices and gives the perception that you may truncate the laws of the nation as long as you are well connected.

Plz shun this long essay because you're getting it all wrong...

1)According to our constitution, a person is NOT guilty till convicted by court of competent jurisdiction...

2)Jonathan has the singular duty of respecting, protecting and governing with ONLY the constitution...

3)A person can only be entitled to presidential pardon having been convicted by a court and served out his term and is found to been of good carriage afterwards... (nothing is debatable here)...

4)Jonathan is NOT a head of state. He is an elected president.

5)Every other thing you wrote is sermon on morality not constitutionality... Know the differences and quit accusing people ignorantly...

inereunwa1:
and if you are not ignorant; i challenge you to come out and tell us that gej is not corrupt 8-) Mr stealing is not corruption:p

smh

inereunwa1:
what do you know about ignorance Its ironic how you taniods speaks about ignorance i guess you dont know what it stands for anyway

If you aren't ignorant; I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVIDE CONSTRUCTIVE SOLUTIONS TO THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD WHICH YOU JUST INSULTED JONATHAN BECAUSE OF IT...

hensben:
Another yeye question..the question you should be asking how many years did GMB stay in office? So you expect him to convict every criminal within a short period in office..GEJ has spent 6 years in office, how many corrupt officials has he prosecuted?.. He is even pardoning and defending them.

lolz... it is yeye question shey...Have you forgotten your question... if buhari was fighting corruption; how come that even his ADC was committing the crime under his leadership not when he left but right under him as head of state and as his ADC...

Lizabeth25:
I am not criticizing anybody. I just feel that punishment should been apportion to whoever commit a crime under wise, if some people go scot free just like that after a crime committed, it will turn to everyday thing.!

Unfortunately, just like most criticisms on this thread; you all didn't even understand what strong institutions mean...it is not about efcc or icpc but a systemic approach to corruption fight...which involves nipping it in the bud...it is proactive not reactive...it emphasizes prevention rather than cure...
With the latest automated system of revenue collection
Jonathan introduced... most agencies and ministries won't have access to cash talk more of stealing same...it is a cashless system...When there's no money; there won't be any stealing and you won't have a farouk lawan or subsidy scam because the system has been fixed...Now some exceptional cases that will crop up; will be very easy to detect and punished....
Just like how the system crashed last December when some people wanted to manoeuvre and steal...hence they only delayed federal staff salaries but didn't steal
again... you can now trace such people and punish them...it is this magic that also helped stop fertilizer scam without much ado....thanks

dotfam2104:
.... did technology stop farouk lawan frm collecting bribe? did GEJ approach stop d money dah wznt remitted into NNPC acct? Did hz approach stop d kerosine subsidy scam? Even going by ur analogy, u seem nt to agree wiv pple being convicted of crimes. Prob u want a state of lawlessness whr offenders go unpunished.

Unfortunately, just like most criticisms on this thread; you all didn't even understand what strong institutions mean...it is not about efcc or icpc but a systemic approach to corruption fight...which involves nipping it in the bud...it is proactive not reactive...it emphasizes prevention rather than cure...

To some of you examples; with the latest automated system of revenue collection Jonathan introduced... most agencies and ministries won't have access to cash talk more of stealing same...it is a cashless system...When there's no money; there won't be any stealing and you won't have a farouk lawan or subsidy scam because the system has been fixed...Now some exceptional cases that will crop up; will be very easy to detect and punished....
Just like how the system crashed last December when some people wanted to manoeuvre and steal...hence they only delayed federal staff salaries but didn't steal again... you can now trace such people and punish them...it is this magic that also helped stop fertilizer scam without much ado....thanks

gwales:
u still haven't told us what institution gej is building to fight corruption because last time I check efcc is more active during obj tenure and even if there is this institution, the truth is corruption is on an astronomical level during this tenure than any other. and lastly how much did nwobodo stole?

Unfortunately, just like most criticisms on this thread; you all didn't even understand what strong institutions mean...it is not about efcc or icpc but a systemic approach to corruption fight...which involves nipping it in the bud...it is proactive not reactive...it emphasizes prevention rather than cure...

inereunwa1:
true change every Nigerian needs change!!

ignorance is really bad bro...good pm

Laid2001:
It was sigmund frued that said and I agree "People will obey the law when the consequence of breaking it outways the gain"
This is where GEJ has failed woefully, the thing is curropt officials knows that there is no consequence, during GEJ administration, for curroption, hence the impunity with which curroption has permiated the entire government and the whole country!! Even the few that were caught during OBJ regime were let go with inconsequencial purnishments!

With Buhari's proposer of wistle blower protection law and high handedness on curropt officials, at least people will know that long jail term await curropt officials!. In Nigeria, all that is required is to send few former governors and ministers on a long jail term of minimum of 20 years (Note that this is not unusual in advance countries) and allow the anti-curroption agencies to keep rolling on its own from there!.

Trust Nigerians, we will become law abiding immidiately because that will be enough to send us clear message on the resolve of the new government.

What is the rate of incidence of corruption in those countries using buhari kinda of style to those using Jonathan style

Why has death sentence not stopped incidence of drug trafficking especially in Muslim countries

Jbenue:
Ask a fish what comes to mind when he hears the name Nigeria, it will say corruption! Everyone knows that the cancer eating at the heart of this country is corruption and since the return to democracy in 1999 every politician running for the top job in the nation, has campaign on the premise of tackling corruption. Yet as we know all too well words are wind, we have seen minimal efforts, token gestures and down right indifference to actually solving this acute Nigerian sickness.

So when something does actually happen and high profile arrests are made and convictions are enforced the whole nation and the greater world takes notice to see whether this is a turning point in this diseased nation. That was the case when Diepreiye Alamieyeisegha was arrested in the UK on money laundering charges in 2005 and later convicted for said crimes. However in an unprecedented move the President Goodluck Ebele Azikiwe Jonathan who happens to be Diepreiye Alamieyeisegha protege pardoned this convicted fraudster on grounds that he had shown sufficient remorse in 2013.

This man that goes on international television to embarrass perennially saying how he inherited a corruption nation and how he is doing his utmost to curb it. In that one act of pardoning a convicted and proven thief President Jonathan has done more to undermine the fight against corruption than any other Head of State in this nation history. But yet it seems Nigerians have short memories, in any other country this one act would render any public figure ostracized and lacking in credibility. To move Nigeria forward we must stymie the flow of unaccounted monies from the coffers at state and national level before we can talk about improving infrastructure and social development, Jonathan has demonstrated his indifference and unwillingness to carry out this critical task.

Presidential pardon is constitutional and is meant for criminals and looters not for saints and good citizens bro...it is granted by state council which buhari and all APC governors are members...it cannot be granted if they don't support it...

Finally, how can we fight corruption better in your own understanding

major466:
Great writeup. Most Nigerians don't even know what it means to fight corruption. All they want is brute force where people are thrown in jail or shot by firing squard. They careless about preventive measures.
The best way to minimize corruption (Corruption can never be eradicated) is by blocking loopholes and avenues to corruption. And the best way to do that, as you rightly pointed out is by building institutions. Institutions with internal mechanism that is self sustaining and efficient to deal with corruption no matter who is in power. That's what is obtainable in civilized societies. This is an indictment on OBJ because he never fought corruption. All he did was to intimidate political enemies through EFCC.
Those people who are in the habit of accusing GEJ of not fighting corruption conveniently forgot that humans in general possess the affinity to commit crimes. For instance, the penalty for hawking drugs in some countries is dead sentence. Yet people still hawk drugs. Why? Because man has the penchant attitude to commit crimes. So is dead penalty the best way to deal with drug trafficking? Definitely not. So what's the best way to fight drug peddlers? Destroying drug farmlands. That's why some of these countries with high drug related crimes are destroying farmlands where drugs plants are planted and produced to minimize the rate of drug trafficking in the streets.
So is it with corruption. The best way to tackle a problem is from the root. This is what GEJ is currently doing through FOI, free press and information technology (ICT).

God bless you...

inereunwa1:
ehen taniod they are back runs out of thread!!

Sure, before you run out...how do we fight and eliminate corruption from Nigeria?

hensben:
The only thing that's constant in this life is CHANGE...same people that refuse to commit crime or steal during GMB regime because they know the repercussion might become arm robber under GEJ tenure due to he support and pardon corrupt practices..how is that GMB fault that people change after his regime. ...this post is dumb and sentimental.

Under who did Jokolo and emir commit crime
What about Gov Awwal?

GogetterMD:
I will take you seriously when you explain why Diepreye Alaimeshegha was granted a pardon, and what FFK, Bode George is doing around our amiable president. I think those acts discourage corruption now, don't it

Presidential pardon is for criminals and looters not for saints and good citizens bro...it is granted by state council which buhari and all APC governors are members...it cannot be granted if they don't support it...

On ffk, what's his crime? did any court convict him?
Do you know that APC leaders like saraki, goje, etc have similar cases in court; why not ask APC why they allowed them to represent them...that's if we follow your line of reason...

Dayg88:
Buh I don't think you know what you're saying @ op, GEJ himself said there are no corrupt people in his administration, they're just THIEVES...
Shikena

When did he say that bro?...can you authenticate this post with some evidence

Lizabeth25:
Lol.......there are so many ways to punish such people!
whoever steal should be punished.! Simple!

How...provide answers abi solutions not just criticisms...

hensben:
Which kind mumu talk be this.

Is the kind of talk that advises your kind to understand a thing before criticism...

kingthreat:
Negro, I told you I'm at work. You're not paying my bills. And if you got a problem with that you can take a sniff on my balls. Bye

You would answered those questions with same amount of time spent telling me that you are busy...

dotfam2104:
...lets be practical here bro, if u dont jail pple, they wont be conscious of d fact dah there is a punishment for corruption. Av u ever wondered y corrupt govt officials detest a buhari presidency? Am very sure its cz of hz track record, dey knw under a buhari presidency doz convicted of graft wld be jailed. Its one thing to av a system dat discourages corruption nd its anoher thing to lock corrupt pple in cells. Both are necessary with with d level of corruptn in d system.

So has killing and jailing of armed robbers helped to reduce armed robbery in Nigeria

inereunwa1:
The name Gej its self is synonymous with corruption

What's your name synonymous with

curiouses:
Only strong individuals can make a strong institutions a reality.

what do you understand by strong institutions

kingthreat:
i was typing fast via my phone. Couldn't punctuate much.
I got work to do. Learn from someone else

Are you sure you have valid answers after all to my questions

kaysce:
Cow, Bush pig....... ur caption is deceptive because its claims to intend to do a comparison of GMB vs GEJ. but ur article is full of rants without substance. Ur ave deceived everyone who opened this link expecting a comparison, just as ur PDP and GEJ is deceiving their family not US.

You also didnt mention any style of GEJ against corruption... because.... its non existent.....

please go and invest the dollars they gave u well ooo, dnt spend it frivolously because its the end of the Corrupt largesse that GEJ wold benefit u.. come March 28th,...... SAI Buhari........ Better Nigeria

how has APC cum buhari system of corruption extermination helped in stopping Lagos from winning the most corrupt state in Nigeria

ifydio:
and which strong institution is he building or have he built in the 5yrs of being the GCFR?
how can you be building a corrupt free institution when the builders are extremely corrupt... when cases of huge misappropriation have been swept under the carpet... corrupt officials celebrated with honours..corruption striving to the detriment of the populace...huge funds missing ...

these questions wouldn't have come up if you understood what strong institutions mean...