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anulaxad:
First of all I have not insulted you, I live in the UK hence the mentioning of the pound and if anyone has an inferiority complex it will be you as you are so blinded by the truth that beholds you, and for that reason I shall not be responding to you anymore.

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This is a lasticlala thread, with official pictures of his estate in otueke. Explain to me how he can afford such an estate with his £32,000 (sorry
10006813.20 Naira) annual salary that is still being built. Not even one mansion there could possible cost that much.


Articles about the farm below:
http://www.premiumtimesng.com/investigationspecial-reports/177579-investigation-inside-jonathans-mega-farm-project-covers-six-villages-displaced-residents-barred-from-speaking.html

http://www.punchng.com/news/apc-lawyers-attack-jonathan-over-90-hectare-farmland/

There was even a video shown during election season of the farm of which was located in aviation village.

Am sorry if you felt insulted...

Jonathan earns 14million plus as salary... but I didn't ask you for his salary...I clearly mentioned allowances and estacodes...That's where the money is bro...Eg senator earns about 600,000 as salary but have allowance running over hundreds of million...Do you know how much the president is paid for seating allowance? Travelling allowance? Security vote etc...Politicians make money through allowances not salary... Even Fayose challenged Buhari to this fact when buhari wanted to play the politics of 50% salary cut...

I am well aware of Jonathan's home in otuoke...Its not an estate bro...Quit exaggerating just to give him a bad name...

I am yet to see the original owners of that farm stead complain that it was forcefully taken or illegally acquired...BTW I wonder why ALL of you saw nothing wrong in Tinubu forcing out an educational institution so as to site his personal TV station in same land but will crucify Jonathan for his farm...

In all you have been writing...NOTHING have you shown to show Jonathan looted or stole or whatever... I need someone to substantiate his corruption tag with facts...

BTW he earns his pay as ex civil servant... ex deputy governor...ex governor...ex VP...and now again ex president.... Check out the allowances attached to those offices....thanks

LouisVanGaal:
you have no case abeg! Which party was running all d hate campaign and propaganda on air prior to election PDP is Propaganda-Developed Party...ONLY blind mofos would try to defend the defenceless GEJ

APC began campaign of character assassination,hatred, blackmail, mudslinging and insults before elections...even as far back as 2013/2014...PDP was on defensive during election...Don't twist history plzzz

anulaxad:
Shake my head, the Sahara reporters one turned out to be true, and the Jonathan family did not deny it.

With Patience's estate in Abuja, the family until this date has not denied it. Why because it is there's.

When you lot were claiming Buhari owns an apartment in Abuja it was immediately denied and the truth came out.

Wait have you forgotten the illegal farm lands acquired by Jonathan in Abuja, please do not make me continue.

I pity you. The aridolf hotel alone costs 2 billion naira that's 8 million pounds, that is not even close to any of their official salaries whether president or governor.

Jonathans official salary was 32 000 pounds. How can he's wife own a an 8 million pound hotel.

And God only knows the billions of naira that was spent to build Patiences estate in Abuja.

You need to stop deceiving yourself, honestly have you seen the massive estate he built in otueke, a journalist took pictures of it in June and he was arrested.

1)How did it become reality plz...And to the best of my knowledge Jonathan wasn't responding to innanities from anybody especially Saharareporters...

2)This video surfaced after his handover... he hasn't responded to any accusation ever since...because they are simply empty and distractions cum gossips...

3)I asked per chance it is true even...Kindly provide proof that it was product of treasury looting including the farm you're mentioning here...

4)I am sorry but Jonathan isn't paid salaries in foreign currencies...maybe you have inferiority complex...take it to naira...tell me his allowances and estacodes then we talk...

5)Provide proof they are product of corrupt enrichment...

6)Google picture of an estate then compare it with his Otuoke mansion to see how fickle minded you're...

dearpreye:
Thanks, my brother.

APC seeks to first destroy Nigeria before it will begin to arrange and solve it's problems.

Like you said, APC is sure setting another terrible precedent with its GUILTY TILL PROVEN INNOCENT approach to its void and noisy anti corruption war. Today, the Presidency has been destroyed. And that's all the consequences of the primitive abusive language the same APC deployed before and during the elections.

Any sensible Nigerian will want to see corruption tacked and thieves jailed.....but not without a time consuming and tight and through prosecution of offenders...That's the case we want.

Granted GEJ, like every other human, has his own leadership flaws for which he should be accountable, but all these media sentencing will never work. The law isn't moral!

Our people,occasioned by decades of the military junta mentality, only believe anti corruption war is well fought once people are jailed or even killed without due process; they just want to see some people bear the brunt for our decades of poverty and misery. They believe PMB will singlehandedly throw people into jails. And that was why they never believed in GEJs institutional approach to the corruption war. Even when Transparency International released our recent improvement in the corruption index, the already-zombied folks would have none of it.

It is a pity that once guilty even if proven innocent later...there primary objective of denting your image would have been achieved...

Ever wondered why ACN arm of APC both here and offline use blackmail as their ONLY weapon of war...death of opponent would be in case he proves formidable to such blackmail like Funsho Williams...

tobtap:
very currupt

Define corruption

LouisVanGaal:
OP, you keep blackmailing your moniker by not telling yourself the truth!!!! You want to know how corrupt GEJ was?
'Common Stealing, you people would call it corruption'
'Buhari Jailed Nwobodo in '83 for stealing N5m, money not enough to buy a PEUGEOT..'
That's how corrupt he's and give up these image laundring of your creek king....
Stupidity means trying to sell 'ICED WATER' to a PURE WATER factory owner..

Let's do facts bro...not empty rhetorics or myopic sentiments...

His statement of stealing isn't corruption is 100% correct even in our constitution...I don't do propaganda and lies that's the prerogative and birthright of APC...Counter my facts above with verifiable facts too...thanks and merry Sunday

anulaxad:
Wait,

Who owns this? Please do not let me continue.

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Peddling lies a thousand times doesn't make it a truth...I wonder if there's any proof that the estate belonged to Mama Peace...except that Saharareporters ran through an estate taking videos and pictures tagging it hers...Any proof...Nothing absolutely...Or can you show me any?... BTW is there any proof too that even if it is hers that it was acquired with illegal wealth? or is your definition of affluence tantamount to fraud?...Let's talk facts bro...Do you know much a presidential allowance is? Can't the Jonathan's afford it? Don't have a poverty mentality that equals wealth that's beyond you to fraud and corruption...

... thanks and merry sunday

baralatie:
you know how the APC propaganda works. blaze the topics and care less for the contents of the page. still a gr8 write up though!

I get it now bro thanks and merry sunday

[quote author=IdisuleOurOwn post=37253296][/quote]Do you really support and believe in that statement of his? I am afraid that day may never come... Thanks...merry sunday

baralatie:
topic is miss leading

Such is the power of sarcasm and beauty of instincts...What would you have preferred as topic or heading? Thanks...merry sunday

dunsman:
Some thugs won't still understand, I wonder how they think

Our thinking and emotions are what the politicians and leaders twist and play on to ride the masses... I believe such write up as this is to juggle our memory... Thanks...merry sunday

OrlandoOwoh:
Has Mama Peace started practising how to be taking food to her husband in prison, a thing she said she wouldn't want to do when she visited Ado-Ekiti during the campaign?

That day may NEVER come to pass... Thanks...merry sunday

ChappyChase:
Sometimes I just pity Jonathan...

Don't pity Jonathan rather pity those who trade in blackmail and their supporters because karma is real...what goes around comes around...vengeance always comes around...

doublewisdom:
Good write up!

Thanks...merry sunday

Media prosecution & conviction of individuals seems to be a veritable weapon for ruling political parties now. Media has usurped the duties of law court hence politicians are making good use of it to blackmail perceived "enemies" tainting or even tarnishing their image. This to me, is laying an unfortunate foundation for another monster in the system.

In fight against corruption; It should be noted here, that I am an apostle of Jonathan's proactive measure as shown in his yam & goat analogy as against Buhari's reactive measure of jail policy. Has armed robbery ended with all the jail terms meted to them? Why would treasury looting be any different? I am a candidate of Jonathan's school of thought that believes in building strong institutions as against Buhari's or APC knack for strong individuals. I believe just like Jonathan/PDP that Nigeria's challenge is more in the structure as against Buhari/APC's belief that it is in the faces. Those are my creed.

Since Buhari, APC & their chief consultant(Obasanjo); hasn't started any tangible thing but still in the euphoria of campaign more than five(5)months since being declared winner of presidential elections. Rather we are bamboozled daily with highly conflicting perceived corrupt looting of treasury or recanting of their campaign promises as well as insulting and blackmailing Jonathan & his aides as corrupt and chronic looters of the treasury.

We need to as individuals put on our thinking cap to actually decipher who & where the looters are...before we join in decimating the "innocents" while the real thieves mock us. This does not mean or position Jonathan & his aides as saints in anyway at all.

SOME AVENUES OF LOOTING THE TREASURY in Nigeria;

1)AGRICULTURE;

Since I came to know Nigeria, I have always heard of fertilizer scam and looting in agricultural sector especially before farming season. Many politicians and businessmen became stinkingly rich thanks to this avenue. But under Jonathan presidency, this was sorted out using a technology backed initiative which is today being adopted world over. So is the man who solved this age-long challenge the looter or those who allowed it to subsist during their term?

2)GHOST WORKERS IN CIVIL SERVICE;

This is a cankerworm that is bedevilling our system in different strata. The software named IPPIS was introduced to solve this problem. Ever wondered why this software though known and publicized under former administrations was not allowed to see the light of day? It was only implemented under Jonathan. So who are the thieves here? Because several billions were reported to have been saved by mere allowing this policy to be implemented having weeded out thousands of ghost workers. Between those who paid lip service to this scam and the man who removed it; who is the thief or corrupt official?

3)ENERGY PRIVATISATION;

It was reported that a particular administration wasted over $16billion in that sector and only achieved more darkness for the country. Former power minister; Prof Nebo told us a lot about what was achieved in this sector after the celebrated privatisation including developing skilled labour pool for this already privatised sector; though sadly he regretted that they lost the war against pipeline vandals who undermined their efforts. How much was expended by that administration to achieve those compared to what obtained in the past who spent more to achieve nothing but increased darkness?

4) PETROLEUM SUBSIDY;

Buhari termed subsidy an alien language before coming to power. I wonder why he is very reluctant to remove same today? Is it because of national or sectional interest?
By 2012, Jonathan sort to deregularize oil sector...break up and open up NNPC and remove subsidy...ACN, & CPC now APC called, ganged up with labour against him and brought him to stop it...Same people(APC), turned back later and accused him of stealing with his friends through subsidy and called him corrupt...Why stop him from removing subsidy if you knew he & his friends are thieves? When these oil magnates almost crippled the system at the twilight of Jonathan administration, some Nigerians chose to fight Jonathan instead of the oil cabal; just like some fought him instead of boko haram at the height of insurgency in 2014. It's unfortunate that PIB wasn't finally passed into law under him; but sincere oil sector operators would be happy to share the dividends of his local content policy in that sector. Again, who are the real thieves here; Jonathan or the two-timers?

5)SINGLE TREASURY ACCOUNT;

In order to centralize government's revenue thereby reducing shortchanging of the system and blocking leakages, Jonathan implemented TSA. Does a man who wants to loot the system approve such measure which defies the porous status quo? Why didn't former leaders adopt same measure? Who's the real thief between the man who signed & supported FOI to become law and those who went to court to stop its implementation in their states?

Did Jonathan make any mistake during his term? Of course he's human and must make mistakes. Is he the devil being painted of him today? Not near it at all...It is strange that same people who would not be cut dead granting Jonathan/PDP benefit of doubt in situations seek to be granted same. Only if law of karma understood such language.

President Buhari should note that media prosecution, blackmail & conviction which he's embarked on with APC leaders may some day boomerang. Let justice and equity be our watchword.

Thanks and God bless us all...

Caseless:
Babatope, if the yam and goat theorist is not corrupt in your eyez, then you need to be stoned too.

Was the yam & goat theory wrong

Freemanan:
I believe Ezekwesili is indecisive politically... But the Chibok Girls issue is from a humanity perspective... No politics attached... So her political affinity is a topic for another day.

...It's about saying the truth...once truth becomes subjective to any conscience just like it is now to OBY then that soul should be dreaded...Chibok was 200% politics both the abduction & BBOG...Ever wondered why ranking authorities in the school took away their wards that night before children of the peasants were taken...Are the girls back now?...So why are leaders of BBOG abandoning the course and picking up political appointments with APC?...Does BBOG humanitarian service have timeline?

Freemanan:
I have known Joseph Edgar for a while now and sensible articulation and veracity isn't his strong point... He lives on lies and sultry....
Well, before any of you start blasting Oby, please clear your ignorance...

www.nigerianmonitor.com/2015/06/26/oby-ezekwesili-and-president-buhari-to-meet-over-chibok-girls/


www.informationng.com/2015/08/the-world-must-ensure-that-chibok-girls-are-never-to-be-forgotten.html

A single meeting... Was that the tempo under Jonathan?... How come her boss has accepted political appointment and moved on?...How often do you hear about BBOG nowadays?...I lost hope in Oby the day he requested for empirical evidence before he can accept that Obj is corrupt... then I ask did he wait for same empirical evidence before declaring Jonathan corrupt

kaboninc:
Whyntthetruth write book? On women..

*mistakenly steps on my cake*

Abeg me no write anything ooo...Nah so Francizy go dey put person for trouble...

come smell my mouth whether you go hear smell of any toto for my mouth ...Abi you no dey see people wey dey sample babes for this room?...Me still dey waka around...the one wey I wan catch the other time, shebi u pursue am comot...I don register for monastery sef since una ministry no favour me...

Freemanan:
You are outta Aces... Goodnight

Really...

Freemanan:
You still beg the question.... Is PDP better off, in the light of this topic?

Yes...Peter Obi is PDP now though worked as APGA member as governor...He's the man to teach Oshiomole & co financial management...

Freemanan:
You are beginning to go South on me.. Why are you always saying "Outside Lagos"? And our discussion is based on PDP/APC States... Leave the Light of the Nation out of this... Discuss PDP states please.

1)Maybe you need to check your question or post which I quoted here...

2)You cannot take a governor away from his state hence I have to refer to the governor vis a vis his state...

Freemanan:
Let me open your eyes to the fact Ya you already know but turning away from...

This is Orji's projects that never greeted human eyes yet millions went down...
sunnewsonline.com/new/theodore-orji-and-his-notorious-gaffe/
saharareporters.com/2013/07/24/abia-state-theodore-orji’s-government-deceit-and-falsehood
This is Seriake's projects of millions that never came to reality...
urhobotoday.com/?p=6907
dailypost.ng/2015/08/08/bayelsa-apc-leader-accuses-dickson-of-mismanaging-n15b-flood-fund/
and My Darling Delta State Where PDP has It's headquarters of Looting and Rot...
saharareporters.com/2013/06/29/more-worries-delta-state’s-550m-tourism-projects-lucky-onoriode-george
thepointernewsonline.com/?p=167
I believe you have a defence for these?
Truth be told, this happens in all government. Stop painting APC black as if PDP is better off... That's all.

1)PDP leaders NEVER claimed to be saints...APC leaders did...so we have to ascertain the veracity of their sainthood status...

2)APC claimed Jonathan is their problem but in truth they are the devils and enemies to masses under them...looting them dry and pointing fingers elsewhere...

3)This thread is about PDP man referring APC Oshiomole to go for financial management course in the hand of another PDP man; Peter Obi...

4)Even TA Orji you used as example here...refused to raise bond in Abia state so as not to mortgage his state's future...Unlike most APC governors...

Freemanan:
Please, why is Anambra part of our discourse?

1)It is the most densely populated state after Lagos yet has NO single debt owed anywhere to anybody till date...

2)It is more cosmopolitan than any APC state outside Lagos yet increased salaries recently for workers by another 15% even while APC governors were crying and insulting Jonathan... hence Onuesoke in original post here referred Oshiomole to understudy them for financial management...

3)It is the ONLY state that is not officially recognized as oil producing state yet generates sufficient fund for modern infrastructural development...

4)It is the state used by the man in the post who advised Oshiomole to learn how to accept responsibility and learn proper cum efficient financial management...

Freemanan:
You should Google the landscape of Edo, Lagos, Imo and Rivers.... I wonder your definition of swampy.... You wanna talk about Hyped Project billing? Really?


You know I am a fan of facts...

IMO landscape is similar to Anambra...Topography of these stated are same...How's Rivers different from Akwaibom?...abi Lagos, maybe you need to visit that 1billion naira road...How's Edo worse than bayelsa?... Do you know meaning of 1billion?...Do you even know cost implication of a normal road construction ceteris paribus...

Freemanan:
Oyo is sick financially right?
How about Kano?
Kwara nkor... Seems you enjoy mentioning APC than you really enjoy things going right... All your arguments have been misplaced so far.

Oyo is already in coma...It seems you don't follow news bro...Ajimobi has killed her with debts...Have you ever asked why ONLY APC states as championed by Fashola & Ajimobi fought FOI domestication in their states...what are they hiding?...
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/08/why-apc-cant-be-ashamed-of-aregbesola-lai-mohammed/

Kwara? which is as good as a village including the capital Ilorin...Have you gone there?...You will weep for them...I wonder why they can't confront Saraki dynasty and free themselves...

I don't know much about Kano economy... but outburst of their governor few months ago points to the fact that all is not well with them...

Yes...I point to APC always because of their noise and lies daily... maligning others as thieves while they are the real thieves without conscience...No PDP state has ever built 1km of road for 1billion but more than 4apc states are guilty of this monumental contract inflation aka digital looting...even Amechi 100million for a single pillar...

Freemanan:
Before 2015, Fayose (still ranting) and Wike never stopped talking gibberish yet They are yet to deliver their lies....

Fayose is playing opposition politics not really complaining about his state's financial status per say...Wike is simply in the news because he wants to probe Amechi...Does it stop the case of APC looting dry ALL states controlled by them...It is only in APC states that you will see a kilometre of road constructed with whooping 1billion notwithstanding they are not in swampy NigerDelta area

Freemanan:
Last I checked, only Enugu is doing well in terms of economy.... Which other PDP state can boast of a better economy than Ogun? Please do enlighten me..
And isn't your hyperbole getting too much? 98%.... Which is the 2%?

PDP states are did/doing well in many states including Akwaibom(SS), Gombe(NE), Kastina-NW(before APC came in now in May 29th), etc...

Ogun isn't doing well...it is bedeviled by a neck breaking debt burden...What does Amosun have to justify such debt...Now, he has to even sack civil servants for revealing the rot in his education ministry...Ogun is older than Anambra state but can it be compared to same state now?...

I read some funny statistics here which stated even Osun as having bigger GDP rating than Anambra abi whole of SE...Where's same Osun today?...smh

2% left is for sake of cosmopolitan Lagos which though viable financially but has always been mismanaged and has accumulated unfair loans and debts everywhere... State any APC state(not PDP states they won after this election) that's not sick financially...

Freemanan:
Last I checked, only Enugu is doing well in terms of economy.... Which other PDP state can boast of a better economy than Ogun? Please do enlighten me..
And isn't your hyperbole getting too much? 98%.... Which is the 2%?

PDP states are did/doing well in many states including Akwaibom(SS), Gombe(NE), Kastina-NW(before APC came in now in May 29th), etc...

Ogun isn't doing well...it is bedeviled by a neck breaking debt burden...What does Amosun have to justify such debt...Now, he has to even sack civil servants for revealing the rot in his education ministry...Ogun is older than Anambra state but can it be compared to same state now?...

I read some funny statistics here which stated even Osun as having bigger GDP rating than Anambra abi whole of SE...Where's same Osun today?...smh

Freemanan:
That's because APC run the larger part of the country then... Noted...

Before 2015; APC were always making noise led by Aregbesola, while even now they kept the noise led by Oshiomole...while destroying and looting dry ALL economies under their watch...So how is it a reason for you here

socialmediaman & fulanimafia ...what's your state...let's discuss your state economy here...not always federal government... because 98% of APC states have been destroyed...

kaboninc:
Loool. You na pro oh.

I think say whyotthetruth and dearpreye na don for these things. Even Francizy no reach you.

Bros...easy oo...Truckie nah professor with international repute in fuckiology...Me be apprentice for dearpre shop for this ministry... franzi don graduate for the ministry...