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ijawkid: Are you black or white if I may ask??

Logicboy03: Anony said that it is not atheist discrimination.

crazy: The Monster Leo Igwe
Leo Igwe, Executive Director of the Nigerian
Humanist Movement, the secretary of the Atheists
in Nigeria, has been suffering for his several
crimes because there is no peace for the wicked.
Leo Igwe and his father were detained for murder
charges though he still has a lot of other charges
hanging over him, he has been perpetuating evil
in Nigeria and parades himself with two identities
( Leo Igwe and Dr Olusegun Fakoya), Leo Igwe is
dishonest, dubious, devious, and manipulative.
He pretends to be an empathetic listener to
children, thereby leading propaganda that
children are being branded as witches, tortured
and killed every day in Nigeria, but most of the
time he had only one person on his mind.
Actually it has been established that Leo Igwe and
his father are wizards who are tormenting their
community with their crafts.
As far as Nigeria is concern, Leo Igwe is a criminal
and he has been in and out of detentions for the
crimes he committed along side his father,
(murder) now his father has just seen a little
reward for his crime that serves him right. Leo
Igwe and his father jointly murdered a man after
injecting him with HIV virus substance.
One would have expected that Leo Igwe’s father
being an old man, will respect his age and put his
life right in preparation for death, but this old idiot
is still as wicked as his son Leo. One then wonders
what cruel, wicked, demonic, diabolic, fetish and
highly satanic family this son and father are from.
Leo Igwe’s father is a terrorist in his community.
It is often echoed that he killed his wife Leo Igwe’s
mother and Leo Igwe was part of it.
Leo Igwe and his fellow Atheists (fraudsters) view
themselves as good judges of people, actually
nobody believes Leo Igwe except his Atheists
group.
He channels all his effort in opposing God and the
Bible. He teaches that God does not exist; he is on
full time salary by the atheists, to him his faith
has given him job; Very soon the whole world will
hear how he has been creating problems in
Nigeria, Leo Igwe whose mission is to turn Nigeria
to Atheism is highly supported and financed by
Mags Gavan, Sam Itaumah, Gary Foxcroft, Richard
Bartholomew, Brayton, (Bene-diction) Jeremy
Rodell, Marie-Thérèse O’ Loughlin, kent Solomon,
Philosopher Stephen Law, Kelly Stowe, Richard’s
concubine Amanda Jayne Archer, Mark
Oppenheimer of Yale university, and host of other
Atheists
Their activities reflect a virulent mix of personality
traits in Nigeria, Leo Igwe has the propensity to
lie, deceive, cheat, and manipulate the
whole world with the support of the above
mentioned names into believing they love
children and humanity, when actually they hate
them.
Leo Igwe has a very dangerous high temper and
severally he has engaged in street fights and open
quarrels, his mouth is full of poison and indecent
utterances. A man that does not believe in the
existence of God can not show love because God
is love. To love, you must believe in God.
The assembling of all the Atheists against
Nigerian Gospel ministers so as to dab them black
will fail. My heart goes for Helen ukpabio whom
they have highly blackmailed irrespective of lack
of facts.
Helen ukpabio Believes in God, and believes evil
spirits must be cast out, not by torture, not by
killing nor by collecting money, but by the spirit/
power of God.

Zikkyy: No. am not. am leaving that to the courts. i don't have the facts.



@bolded, YES. What am asking is why is the relevant (legal/law enforcement) authority not doing anything to bring the people involved to justice? we all agree that committing a 'crime' is wrong (legal/moral), but it's rare to see an offender reporting himself. it's like accusing ibori of not reporting himself to the police.

Ubenedictus: conspiracy huh? The theory posted in d op has proved false and u need a new conspiracy theory, Goodluck.

new york times: Top Vatican officials — including the future Pope Benedict XVI — did not defrock a priest who molested as many as 200 deaf boys, even though several American bishops repeatedly warned them that failure to act on the matter could embarrass the church, according to church files newly unearthed as part of a lawsuit.

Arthur Budzinski, at a cemetery behind St. John's School for the Deaf, says he was first molested in 1960 when he went to Father Murphy for confession.

The internal correspondence from bishops in Wisconsin directly to Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the future pope, shows that while church officials tussled over whether the priest should be dismissed, their highest priority was protecting the church from scandal.

The documents emerge as Pope Benedict is facing other accusations that he and direct subordinates often did not alert civilian authorities or discipline priests involved in sexual abuse when he served as an archbishop in Germany and as the Vatican’s chief doctrinal enforcer.

The Wisconsin case involved an American priest, the Rev. Lawrence C. Murphy, who worked at a renowned school for deaf children from 1950 to 1974. But it is only one of thousands of cases forwarded over decades by bishops to the Vatican office called the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, led from 1981 to 2005 by Cardinal Ratzinger. It is still the office that decides whether accused priests should be given full canonical trials and defrocked.

In 1996, Cardinal Ratzinger failed to respond to two letters about the case from Rembert G. Weakland, Milwaukee’s archbishop at the time. After eight months, the second in command at the doctrinal office, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, now the Vatican’s secretary of state, instructed the Wisconsin bishops to begin a secret canonical trial that could lead to Father Murphy’s dismissal.

But Cardinal Bertone halted the process after Father Murphy personally wrote to Cardinal Ratzinger protesting that he should not be put on trial because he had already repented and was in poor health and that the case was beyond the church’s own statute of limitations.

“I simply want to live out the time that I have left in the dignity of my priesthood,” Father Murphy wrote near the end of his life to Cardinal Ratzinger. “I ask your kind assistance in this matter.” The files contain no response from Cardinal Ratzinger.

The New York Times obtained the documents, which the church fought to keep secret, from Jeff Anderson and Mike Finnegan, the lawyers for five men who have brought four lawsuits against the Archdiocese of Milwaukee. The documents include letters between bishops and the Vatican, victims’ affidavits, the handwritten notes of an expert on sexual disorders who interviewed Father Murphy and minutes of a final meeting on the case at the Vatican.

Father Murphy not only was never tried or disciplined by the church’s own justice system, but also got a pass from the police and prosecutors who ignored reports from his victims, according to the documents and interviews with victims. Three successive archbishops in Wisconsin were told that Father Murphy was sexually abusing children, the documents show, but never reported it to criminal or civil authorities.

Instead of being disciplined, Father Murphy was quietly moved by Archbishop William E. Cousins of Milwaukee to the Diocese of Superior in northern Wisconsin in 1974, where he spent his last 24 years working freely with children in parishes, schools and, as one lawsuit charges, a juvenile detention center. He died in 1998, still a priest.

Even as the pope himself in a recent letter to Irish Catholics has emphasized the need to cooperate with civil justice in abuse cases, the correspondence seems to indicate that the Vatican’s insistence on secrecy has often impeded such cooperation. At the same time, the officials’ reluctance to defrock a sex abuser shows that on a doctrinal level, the Vatican has tended to view the matter in terms of sin and repentance more than crime and punishment.

The Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, was shown the documents and was asked to respond to questions about the case. He provided a statement saying that Father Murphy had certainly violated “particularly vulnerable” children and the law, and that it was a “tragic case.” But he pointed out that the Vatican was not forwarded the case until 1996, years after civil authorities had investigated the case and dropped it.

Father Lombardi emphasized that neither the Code of Canon Law nor the Vatican norms issued in 1962, which instruct bishops to conduct canonical investigations and trials in secret, prohibited church officials from reporting child abuse to civil authorities. He did not address why that had never happened in this case.

As to why Father Murphy was never defrocked, he said that “the Code of Canon Law does not envision automatic penalties.” He said that Father Murphy’s poor health and the lack of more recent accusations against him were factors in the decision.

The Vatican’s inaction is not unusual. Only 20 percent of the 3,000 accused priests whose cases went to the church’s doctrinal office between 2001 and 2010 were given full church trials, and only some of those were defrocked, according to a recent interview in an Italian newspaper with Msgr. Charles J. Scicluna, the chief internal prosecutor at that office. An additional 10 percent were defrocked immediately. Ten percent left voluntarily. But a majority — 60 percent — faced other “administrative and disciplinary provisions,” Monsignor Scicluna said, like being prohibited from celebrating Mass.



To many, Father Murphy appeared to be a saint: a hearing man gifted at communicating in American Sign Language and an effective fund-raiser for deaf causes. A priest of the Milwaukee Archdiocese, he started as a teacher at St. John’s School for the Deaf, in St. Francis, in 1950. He was promoted to run the school in 1963 even though students had disclosed to church officials in the 1950s that he was a predator.

Victims give similar accounts of Father Murphy’s pulling down their pants and touching them in his office, his car, his mother’s country house, on class excursions and fund-raising trips and in their dormitory beds at night. Arthur Budzinski said he was first molested when he went to Father Murphy for confession when he was about 12, in 1960.

“If he was a real mean guy, I would have stayed away,” said Mr. Budzinski, now 61, who worked for years as a journeyman printer. “But he was so friendly, and so nice and understanding. I knew he was wrong, but I couldn’t really believe it.”

Mr. Budzinski and a group of other deaf former students spent more than 30 years trying to raise the alarm, including passing out leaflets outside the Milwaukee cathedral. Mr. Budzinski’s friend Gary Smith said in an interview that Father Murphy molested him 50 or 60 times, starting at age 12. By the time he graduated from high school at St. John’s, Mr. Smith said, “I was a very, very angry man.”

In 1993, with complaints about Father Murphy landing on his desk, Archbishop Weakland hired a social worker specializing in treating sexual offenders to evaluate him. After four days of interviews, the social worker said that Father Murphy had admitted his acts, had probably molested about 200 boys and felt no remorse.

However, it was not until 1996 that Archbishop Weakland tried to have Father Murphy defrocked. The reason, he wrote to Cardinal Ratzinger, was to defuse the anger among the deaf and restore their trust in the church. He wrote that since he had become aware that “solicitation in the confessional might be part of the situation,” the case belonged at the doctrinal office.

With no response from Cardinal Ratzinger, Archbishop Weakland wrote a different Vatican office in March 1997 saying the matter was urgent because a lawyer was preparing to sue, the case could become public and “true scandal in the future seems very possible.”

Recently some bishops have argued that the 1962 norms dictating secret disciplinary procedures have long fallen out of use. But it is clear from these documents that in 1997, they were still in force.

But the effort to dismiss Father Murphy came to a sudden halt after the priest appealed to Cardinal Ratzinger for leniency.

In an interview, Archbishop Weakland said that he recalled a final meeting at the Vatican in May 1998 in which he failed to persuade Cardinal Bertone and other doctrinal officials to grant a canonical trial to defrock Father Murphy. (In 2002, Archbishop Weakland resigned after it became public that he had an affair with a man and used church money to pay him a settlement.)

Archbishop Weakland said this week in an interview, “The evidence was so complete, and so extensive that I thought he should be reduced to the lay state, and also that that would bring a certain amount of peace in the deaf community.”

Father Murphy died four months later at age 72 and was buried in his priestly vestments. Archbishop Weakland wrote a last letter to Cardinal Bertone explaining his regret that Father Murphy’s family had disobeyed the archbishop’s instructions that the funeral be small and private, and the coffin kept closed.

“In spite of these difficulties,” Archbishop Weakland wrote, “we are still hoping we can avoid undue publicity that would be negative toward the church.”

Ubenedictus: i really donot wish to say one uncharitable word to u but seriously, did u just compare d assange case to d child abuse case? And incase u arent aware d u.s hasnt even exadited assange for espionage! And they havent even issue an arrest warrant on espionage! It seems u havent been following d news, assange has not been charge with espionage, he was charged with sexual assualt! So my dear, u comparism doesnt even help ur arguement! And ratzinger hasnt even broken any law, because d law of a foriegn state doesnt apply to him!

Ubenedictus: if he isnt a citizen of d said country, then d countries laws dont apply to him. Learn a little about law, not to talk of the fact that a coverup cant be proved.

Ubenedictus: pls dont make me call u dumb! The direct superior to d priest is d bishop just as d direct superior of a teacher is d principal not d minister of education.

Ubenedictus: he didnt order any of d above!
i'm well aware of the father muphy case my dear, his case stated 20yrs after d crime dat means d statues of limation of both civil law and church law had expired! The police was told but they couldnt do anything becos of d stat of limitation, even at dat d diocese decided to pursue d case in a ecclesiatical court. b4 muphy was asked d very 1st question he was seriously ill on his sick bed which later became his death bed, he was already very elderly, by d time his trial started he appealed to rome specifically to d congregation of doctrine of d faith. Though d church court wanted to overlook d stat of limitation his ill health couldnt be overlooked

If u are anyway learned in d proceeding of civil law u will know dat serious illness esp permanent is good ground to stall and/or end a legal procedure. Muphy's illness made it imposible 4 him to be dragged to and from d ecclesiatical court, so d cdf case ruled dat his case b kept in d freezer till he recovered. As u may know he never recovered, his sick bed was his deathbed.
Despite d fact that muphy couldnt be civilly or ecclesiatically prosecuted d cdf made sure dat till he could recover to face trial (which he never did), he was under censure and was prohibited from pastorial activities, which means he couldnt excercise any priestly function and couldnt see no children.
In that case there was no foul play. .

Ubenedictus: actually my dear a communist state like nth korea and islamic state like saudi arabia will kill u just 4 been a xtian. Reporting anyone in such interesting cases means death for both d 'reporter' and d 'reported'. So yeah, i'm sure bishops in those countries will b happy to remain alive while doing d moral thing. Interestingly countries in america, europe and africa have law making it illegal not to report.

davidylan: you "dont know" but you are sure God didnt do it? Oh well...



err which "points"?



unfortunately i have a job. Feel free to make this thread yours.



and i presume you understand?



and your answers must be written in some sky somewhere because they are definitely not on this thread.

davidylan: If you think God didnt then who did and how? Answer the question.

davidylan: here you are cursing and screaming then accusing others of "blind rage". Shakes head.

davidylan: But you quote the bible effortlessly, mutilate it to your hearts content and happen to know how poor Mac and I are at our jobs no?

davidylan: After you've answered mine. I remember asking first.

davidylan: I remember asking the questions first... where are the answers? Rather you kick the can down the road and try to hide your lack of intelligence by pretending to ask the same "questions" you have been using as a smokescreen for years now?

Answer the question first - how was abiogenesis responsible for the creation of life. When you have done that you clown would have earned the right to demand i answer your question.

davidylan: Abiogenesis (/ˌeɪbaɪ.ɵˈdʒɛnɨsɪs/ AY-by-oh-JEN-ə-siss[1]) or biopoiesis is the natural process by which life arises from inorganic matter. The word is usually used to describe the processes by which life on Earth originated. The earliest known life existed between 3.9 and 3.5 billion years ago, during the Eoarchean Era when sufficient crust had solidified following the molten Hadean Eon.

davidylan: If the black man is in a hole today... he has people like you to thank. Empty heads who surprisingly think they are bright because they no longer read the bible.

davidylan: and where is the answer for abiogenesis? Again hiding his ignorance behind empty "questions" that he asks by rota on every thread.

davidylan: Empty waffling... all the time wasted rehashing the same tired abuse of the book of genesis could have been better invested explaining in detail the proof for abiogenesis. But of course how can your eminence tell us the "facts" when you can just hide behind empty blather?

davidylan: and i suppose you are a product of inorganic matter? Except of course you are too dense to prove it.

wiegraf: Basically this happened, all sides agree (judeoxtians will say dog, but you get the picture). Unless you believe life existed before matter. But regardless, for our kind of carbon based life that is impossible. How it occurred is the question, not if it took place. Evolution comes into play after this process, of course.

davidylan: Of course i read them... the problem is you are too much of a coward to stand by them.
If you believe in abiogenesis by faith it is one thing... if you believe it has evidence then provide it or shut up and slink back into your hole.

davidylan: Yeah... abiogenesis happened... and his proof? All sides agree.

Yawn... and these are the fools complaining that christians put their "faith" in myths. Ask him to provide evidence for abiogenesis and he either devolves into a howling mass of incoherence or starts waffling.

Zikkyy: i interpret that portion of your post to mean the church frustrating efforts of the local authorities. i.e. to ensure the police are unable to do their job. please correct me if am wrong.

chukwudi44: What kind of action do you want to be taken against the church? What has happened to other institutions whoose members were found in such scandals?who is to be held responsible for similar crimes committed by protestant,muslim or even atheists

Lovethywilbedon: Good! But you still have not answered the question. What of places where the law of the land is to report to the police and what of the cases whereby the victims reported to the police, why haven't they arrested any priest? Or are Priest above the law of the land?

Logicboy03: Calm down......I dont believe in abiogenesis and neither do I believe in god.


What I do know is that the proces must support evolution

wiki: Abiogenesis (/ˌeɪbaɪ.ɵˈdʒɛnɨsɪs/ AY-by-oh-JEN-ə-siss[1]) or biopoiesis is the natural process by which life arises from inorganic matter.[2][3][4][5] The word is usually used to describe the processes by which life on Earth originated. The earliest known life existed between 3.9 and 3.5 billion years ago, during the Eoarchean Era when sufficient crust had solidified following the molten Hadean Eon.

Zikkyy: You don't blame the church for that. It's like blaming ibori for the federal government's inability to bring him to justice.

chukwudi44: If you have any case to proove Benedicts involvement kindly take it to the court and try your luck.You think if there was any merit in these claims there would not be covered by the news crazy popular western media outlets.Why does it have to be here on nairaland that it is been debated?

Zikkyy: i want to believe this is public knowledge since you guys know so much. The question is what is the police doing to bring the affected priests to justice. Are they waiting for the church to first report them before they act? it's not just the catholic church, most institutions will first consider the potential damage before taking any action. you will not achieve much if you are waiting for the institution to report them.



for the church to take action, somebody must have reported the case. which is easier? reporting to the police or reporting to another priest or bishop?

Mr_Anony: I do not have a selfish interest in seeing a better world, I preach and I pray that God's kingdom will come on earth and all will come to know God almighty and the great love He has for us.
It is because God has extended to me; a love that I do not deserve, and I can't even begin to deserve - I was dirty and filthy and detestable but God had mercy on me and cleaned me up.
How can I not talk about Him? How can I not tell everyone else about Him?
As tiny as insignificant as I am, the Almighty God who made the whole universe chose to hang out with me. Who am I and what have I done to deserve such great affection? Tell me.
With all my sins and my desperately wicked heart, God still forgives me.
I am like a beggar who has found a place where there is abundant bread. It would be wrong for me not to share this bread with my fellow beggars and show them the man that saved me from death. The man Jesus Christ.
The man who chose to die in my place so that I could escape. Why will I not talk about Him?

Deep Sight: 1. The reason virtual particles are said to have no apparent cause is exactly the fact that they are seen to be emerging in a quantum vacuum, which represents nothingness.

Kay 17: ^^
Like a mother sticking to her ugly murderous son through a trial and its expenses.

musKeeto: Not nice...

striktlymi: Good morning wiegraf,

Why do you think one's personality trait is important to the present discuss? Anyways, I took the test and found out that I am *NT*..sorry, I don't want to reveal everything.

Thanks!

musKeeto: For the atheist, it's different. To totally dismiss God is to throw off, in a sense, a strong support, especially for those who grew up in religious homes. It's to question and drop the very principles one had grown up with, and reconstruct new ones based on personal experience and reasoning, not dictated by any holy books. It's not an easy ride and not one for the faint at heart or IQ. It takes courage to break out, a well rounded reasoning to trudge on in the face of 'hopelessness/meaningless'..