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"Plenty of people name their children Christian. No one wants to name their child Atheist." - Anonymous

To sustain the belief that there is no God, atheism has to demonstrate infinite knowledge, which is tantamount to saying, "I have infinite knowledge that there is no being in existence with infinite knowledge" --Ravi Zacharias




Watch scientist John Lennox reply here;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X9dfkddiSE

Praise God.

frank317:
Your foolishness knows no bound. If your God created me in his images and I am foolish... Is that my fault? Did i create myself? Wasnt it you that said ur God created me in his own image? Do u even reason at all or are u just a noise maker?
If I am foolish and I was created in ur Gods image, from whence did my foolishness come from?
The foolishness you display on this forum even shows dumb your God can be.

Guy, are you totally brain-dead. Why do you reason like a kid.
God created you with freewill. You have chosen the path of foolishness and thats your problem.
Ill spell it out for you once again;

If you constantly show that you are a fool, does that automatically translates to the fact that your earthly father is also a fool?

Read the bolded 10 times over maybe it will stick you lamebrain.

KingEbukasBlog:
He was clearly being sarcastic

KingEbukasBlog, I suggest you free frank. He obviously is under-educated so i dont expect him to recognize sarcasm when he see one, hes the same guy that didnt understand the use of quotation marks. I think this quote from a formerly world renowed atheist sums up his feelings.

"I was at this time of living, like so many Atheists or Anti-theists, in a whirl of contradictions. I maintained that God did not exist. I was also very angry with God for not existing. I was equally angry with Him for creating a world." C.S. Lewis

Note that;
1. Lewis maintained that God didnt exist just like frank still does
2. Lewis was angry with God for not existing, so is frank (notice how he calls God all sorts of names)
3. Lewis was angry with God for creating a world, frank still is. (notice how he constantly rejects the fact that the world was created for a purpose, a reason and of course God's pleasure.






Frank317, each word you type shows how unintelligent you are. You are far more unintelligent than the dullard that created this thread, you are a disgrace to atheism.
I maintain that you are still an "ode", cos youve not proved otherwise.
Ill come down to your level to explain this just once and thats all its gonna be.

[i]If you constantly show that you are a fool, does that automatically translates to the fact that your earthly father is also a fool?
Pls take my advise, quit disgracing yourself

dalaman:
What about the tens of millions of theist that have left theism for atheism?

This lovely lady has shared her trauma:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWsN6JhYEKk

Share yours and get the help you need.

"I was at this time of living, like so many Atheists or Anti-theists, in a whirl of contradictions. I maintained that God did not exist. I was also very angry with God for not existing. I was equally angry with Him for creating a world." C.S. Lewis

frank317:
Are we in agreement that your God is an Almighty ode for creating an ode like me?

But He dosent exist na, be lyk say make i dey cal santa claus ode. Ol boy, you be confirm ode.

dalaman:
They are all dead. They people that wrote the bible are the God you believe in.

Okay, ive heard you. Now can you stop trying to persuade me not to know how the world started.
Can you stop trying to persuade me not to believe in God with you.
Can you stop being stup1d

Beautiful cake there.

dalaman:
What do you know apart from the mythology and fiction the ancient Hebrew men (who happen yo be your God) wrote? I've asked you many times over to tell me what the purpose of juman life is but you've been unable to do that despite claiming to posses such knowledge.

You should substantiate your dumb claims first. You think i will take dumb questions seriously.
When you begin to show signs of open-mindedness and a receptive heart, ill consider taking you serious.
For now, keep expressing your rage against God, even though in your view He dosent exist.

dalaman:
I don't know how life came about.

Not only how life came about, you sure dont know anything about anything. So what exactly do you want?
You desperately want us not to know with you, right?.

frank317:
Your God does not exist. If I am all these things you call me doesn't that show how foolish your God is? According to you he created an ode like me right. Then your God must be an almighty ode.

Yeah, keep up the rage,

djdoxxx:
Eeyah, Pity You Didnt Realise I Was Only Referring To KingEbukablog The King Of Stupidity...It Would Be Detrimental If You Join Him Wallow In His Stupidity...

stupid1ty is when you
1. go to the sports section.
2. give arguments against sports even though you believe sports is nonsense.
3. call those who try to call you to order pained and foolish.
4. and insist that you are not a reta*d.

Thats what your doin here you fool.

DeepSight:
Stoo being foolish. There is God. Have a nice day.

You should tell your friends that, just that they are so much addicted to God and religion.

dalaman:
Tell that to KingEbukasblog and many other christians who feel other wise. You see the bible also says other wise in some parts. The bible was written by different people who have very different ideas of who God is and how God acts, most of the view and imagine God differently that is why the bible is filled with contradictions, it says one thing in one place and then say the direct opposite in another place. There are many places where God promises wealth only to those that believe in him and destruction to those that do not believe in him. It is all there in that book of contradiction called the bible, that is why on every issue you will find christians on opposing sides all using the bible and quoting verses to justify their positions. There are places in the bible where it specifically says that the unbelievers and the wicked will have their wealth destroyed. But the reality we see around says the bible or who ever wrote it doesn't know what he is talking about..

Dullard, once again you prove how under-educated and feeble minded you are. You have a very poor reasoning capability.

But transgressors will be altogether destroyed; The posterity of the wicked will be cut off. Psalm 37:38
The house of the wicked will be destroyed, but the tent of the upright will flourish. Proverbs 14:11

Because they do not regard the works of the LORD Nor the deeds of His hands, He will tear them down and not build them up Psalm 28:5

All these verses about destruction of the wicked, Did you ever sit down to analyse when and where they will be cut off, Did you ever come to a realisation of the concept of death and destruction. you were a foolish christian if you really ever were.

The devil cometh not, but for
1. to steal,
2. to kill, (notice a stepwise process)
3. and to destroy: (after he has killed)
I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. John 10:10
More abundantly, How. These are questions to be asked not kindergaten questions.

Death and Destruction lie open before the LORD-- how much more do human hearts!- Proverbs 15:11
Proverbs 27:20 too talks about death and destruction. If you were half as diligent to christianity as you presently are to stupid1ty, your life would have changed for the better.

dalaman:
False, many people sow good and reap evil, others sow evil and reap good. Many things in this life just seem to happen arbitrarily or haphazardly. Some people plant and it does not even grow for one reason or the other, many invest money in good businesses and it fails, many other invest in bad businesses and it flourishes. That is the reality of this life.



But there are places in the bible where God said the wealth of the sinners will dry up or be inherited by the Godly.

"Good people leave an inheritance to their grandchildren, but the sinner's wealth passes to the godly". - Proverbs 13:22

There are many passages in the bible where God promised riches and prosperity to those that believe in him.

2 Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

Other verses have God promising believers that they shall always be the head and never the tail in what they do.

I remember i clearly typed "You sow, you reap. positively or negatively Are you blind or just stup1d. YOU SOW, YOU REAP
As long as the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.- Gen 8:22

Read through the parable of the sower, You can sow hundreds of seeds and reap NOTHING.
The fact remains. YOU SOW, YOU REAP.
If you brains cant decode this, ask someone who can.


"Good people leave an inheritance to their grandchildren, but the sinner's wealth passes to the godly". - Proverbs 13:22

Can someone help me tell this dolt that unbelievers too have wealth.

2 Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

What is your yard stick for measuring riches and success? Money alone
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest
1.prosper (Visible prosperity)
2.and be in good health(health prosperity,
3.even as thy soul prospereth.(Soul prosperity/salvation) 3John 1:2

Dont be desperate, be calm, and realise that you are a fool.
Read again: He maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. - Matt 5:45
He sends rain to who? The most important is soul prosperity/salvation, you reject that, you choose destruction.

dalaman:
Stop talking thrash about success is not success in God's definition, your God has no definition, Your God are the bible writers, they are your God because what ever they wrote is what you accept hook line and sinker, you have no God but dead ancient men who wrote the bible. When you show me anything that your God wrote himself then I will begin to take you seriously, until then your God remains the dead men who wrote the bible.

@bolded, you want me to believe these because.......
You dont believe in God, and you desperately need me not to believe with you. I hope you show the same concern to your parents, siblings and relatives cos if not, it shows you were raised with hate and you hate them back by not exposing them to this wisdomfoolishness.
The "ancient" Bible principles still apply till today, i wonder how ancient men could be so learned, intelligent, posses such wisdom and be vast in philosophy.
I choose to believe their words over yours anytime anyday.

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

dalaman:
Many people don't give anything to any God but they own and remain some of the most successful business owners in the world today. God has nothing to do with money or how successful a person or a group of persons will be that is a fact.

Look here dalaman dullard, you were never a christian, you know absolutely nothing about christianity.
Riches is good but its not synonymous to godliness, anyone can be rich. As long as this earth remains

As long as the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.- Gen 8:22

Whatever you sow, you reap, positively or negatively, moneywise or anything. Its the system. it has nothing to do with knowing God. If a satanist plants a seed, it will grow. its the same with investing money.

Nowhere in the bible did God say unbelievers wont be rich, maybe throughout your years of false christianity you never came accross this;

He maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. - Matt 5:45

The devil tempted Jesus with the riches of the world, oh yes he has power over the riches of the earth and answers only to God. His temporary control started when our first parents swore their alleigance to the devil.

We demand our godly riches due to a greater authority and dominion in us through Christ. Others have wealth which by default is from contrary sources.


This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have GOOD SUCCESS.- Josh 1:8

The bible specifically classifies the type of success. It seems to me that there is such a thing as BAD SUCCESS.
Success is not success in Gods defination.If you choose not to believe God, by default you have sided with evil. satan gives, God gives, you choose.

These are basics. You were never a christian, if you ever were, then you knew nothing about it. You were just following blindly, i guess its d same for your newly found belief.

frank317:
Lol!!! Ebuka is educated... But he believes a talking snake talked man into eating a forbidden apple. now the creator is so angry that we can't love him anymore. Is this what they tought in school now? I must have missed classes.

In Js1-3, we were taught the story of creation in C.R.K, In science we were taught evolution. Growing up we were able to make solid deductions and filter out the garbage.
I doubt if you have any form of education whatsoever. if you do, your certificates should be withdrawn, you dont deserve it.

frank317:
Whew... U didn't hug the transformer? How then can u be helped? Cos u need someway to vent this anger out. Oh oh oh... The invisible sky daddy can take the heat. I know he is the cause of all this frustration. Tell him to show his face for once and get this over with gaddamit.

There are many ways in which you can get help, ultimately you can turn to God for help. But trying to transfer agression to others on a faceless forum aint gonna help atall.
You can change environment for a start. Try changing your friends too (they obviously have a negative effect on you)
Understand that bad things happen and try to respond positively at all times.
Approach a relative or your guardian for counsel.
Most importantly, find a good psychiatric home. I dont wanna rule out that possibility. Take my advise, it'll help.

dalaman:
We don't need to go too far. We can start with you. How much do you have after paying all the tithes, sowing all the seeds and offering all the money. Do you have 10 million naira cash at hand?

Ive made much more money than ive given God and the needy. Asides that, 10 million cannot be compared to the grace, joy, peace, love, favour and other goodies that i enjoy.
You might wanna ask me to calculate the amount of joy i have in comparison to my service to God. Just quit already, you got no point.

KingEbukasBlog:
ah brother @winner01 ... why na ... frank317 at the education section ... he would utterly embarrass himself there ... let's be sure he went to school first

Lol , Even as flexible as sport seems, he might not survive arguments there. He's clearly under-educated, he has shown that severally.
I just hope he dosent go about his everyday life this way.

frank317:
your God does not exist, if he does, we wouldnt be here arguing with you day and night... meanwhile have you hugged the transformer?

Actually If he didnt, you wouldnt be here arguing. I cant be brain-dead disproving the existence of santa simply cos it dosent exist, I cant even devote 5 minutes talking about it and thats it.

I have not hugged the transformer. Dont wish evil on me. The fact that you were raised with evil dosent mean you should wish evil on others. Learn to be positive.

frank317:
Its high time you get used to seeing us here otherwise you will get high blood pressure. If you cannot stand our presence here you can stop commenting on atheist threads simple.

You have made it so obvious that you are terribly irritated by our presence here by calling us God haters and over emphasizing we are obsessed with this section. I am yet to grab your point ... Or what do you want us to do? Run when you state it?

OK once again for peace sake, I hate your God (since you chose to mock him by saying he is hateble I will help you) and I am obsessed with religious section, what do you want to do about it? If it hurts you so much hug a transformer.

For the umpteenth time, You are a God-hater, whatever meaning you give to it, no problem, i know youre brain-dead. other sensible atheists dont believe and its that simple. If you need to vent your frustration about religion, then do it on your family. Dont infect the public with insanity, especially a section which you claim not to believe in.
I want to be sure this is the only place youve discussed your demonic ideas, not even your family will grant you the audience priviledge ur receiving here.

Im continually amazed at your obsession for God even when you claim He dosent exist, and that ls why i cant get used to insanity. Dosent mean i wont constantly tell you how much you need help.

This is a public forum that has about 40 other sections, but you choose to spend your life one the one section that is important to you. The same one you claim you dont believe in. Speaks a lot about your state of health. I recommend for you a good psychiatric home.

You should try the sports section and give them arguments against sports, or the education section and give them arguments against education. Lets see if they wont consider you a reta*d.
Once again keep your trauma to yourself or go get help. No one is responsible for your woes.

Atheism is cool. At least, that's the popular perception of a world view that's enjoyed a rebrand and a renaissance in the last couple of decades. Authors like Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens have issued forceful public challenges to the claims of the major faiths and the rights they've traditionally been granted, while well-respected and high-profile public figures have lent vocal support to their ideas. When Stephen Fry outlined an atheist (or even anti- theist) position on an Irish talk show, the interview went viral in hours, while comedian Ricky Gervais frequently uses his substantial platform to attack and undermine religion in film and stand-up.

Christians can naturally feel a little threatened by this kind of activity. Witness the scores of 'response articles' which appeared within days of Fry's "capricious, mean-minded God" outburst.
If we do feel worried or undermined in our faith, it should probably prompt some serious self-examination; a belief that is truly practiced in everyday life should be strong enough and have enough evidence to withstand a few specious celebrity soundbites. Infact, there are reasons to feel strangely positive about the atheist pronouncements of public figures. Not only are there countless people who have found themselves in church, or on an Alpha course, precisely because the arguments of Dawkins and others left them dissatisfied, but there are also many stories of formerly high-profile atheists who ended up losing their surety, and in many cases converting to the Christian faith.

Below are just five of those stories, of former atheists who found that their belief in nothing ultimately led them nowhere.


1. C. S. Lewis
Before he wrote the Narnia saga, some divisive sci-fi and the popular theology books that led to thousands of rational conversions (mine included), Clive Staples Lewis was a professed atheist. He spoke of a "blandly Christian childhood", but wrote in his biographical work Surprised byJoy of his "seemingly firm belief in the inexistence of God", which was later shattered by a combination of reading GK Chesterton and developing a friendship with JRR Tolkien.
In perhaps the most famous passage from that book, he writes:
"You must picture me alone in that room at Magdalen, night after night, feeling, whenever my mind lifted even for a second from my work, the steady, unrelenting approach of Him whom I so earnestly desired not to meet. That which I greatly feared had at last come upon me. In the Trinity Term of 1929 I gave in, and admitted that God was God, and knelt and prayed: perhaps, that night, the most dejected and reluctant convert in all England."


2. Peter Hitchens
The younger brother of noted atheist writer Christopher Hitchens once shared his late sibling's worldview. A journalist, author and conservative political commentator, he infamously set fire to his copy of the King James Bible as a15-year-old at boarding school.
He and Christopher shared a tempestuous relationship over 50 years, exchanging their youthful arguments over toys for debates about the existence of God in later life.
He describes coming to an awareness of his own sin, writing that "my large catalogue of misdeeds replayed themselves rapidly in my head...I had absolutely no doubt that I was among the damned, if there were any damned". Getting married in church, and swearing oaths before a God whom he'd previously rejected, further unsettled him, and he slowly found himself professing a Christian faith.
After his brother famously published God is not Great in 2007, Peter wrote his own book, The Rage Against God in response, critiquing the new atheist movement among which Christopher was so prominent.


3. A. N. Wilson
The British author and journalist writes that in his 30s he"lost any religious belief whatsoever, "and went on to write a book–entitled simply Jesus –which poured scorn on the idea that the gospels contained historically accurate information on a man who he simply regarded as a prominent Jewish leader. However, after spending "five or six years" quietly attending church, he says he discovered that he had come to adopt the faith preached there.
Wilson is now one of modern atheism's most outspoken critics, riled particularly by the assertion that faith is the pursuit of the weak-minded. In a famous article for the Daily Mail, Wilson broke cover as a Christian convert and took aim at celebrity atheists, or what he called "all the liberal clever-clogs on the block", while in another Christmas Dayarticle for The Telegraph, he wrote of his now utter conviction that
"the Gospel would still be true even if no-one believed it."


4. Anthony Flew
His name may not be familiar, but Flew was one of the most significant atheist thinkers of the pre-Dawkins era. He was a prominent critic of religion, suggesting that atheism should be the default position until evidence for God could be produced; that the burden of proof should be on the faiths, not on the faithless.
He carried these beliefs late into life, even signing 2003's Third Humanist Manifesto. However, just a year later, he announced that he had dramatically changed his philosophical allegiance.
Flew hadn't converted to the Christian faith, but he had embraced deism–the belief in God. So convinced was he, that in 2007 he published his final book, There is a God: How the world's most notorious atheist changed his mind.
It has been discredited by atheists ever since who claim that Flew's change of position was due to his declining mental health, and that the book was mainly the work of his co-writer. However, before his death in 2010, Flew lucidly and specifically addressed this in one of his final articles, itself a rebuttal of Dawkin's references to him in The God Delusion.


5. Alister McGrath
Today he's one of Christianity's fiercest and most respected defenders, but Alister McGrath had to undergo a Pauline conversion before he got there.
Growing up in Northern Ireland in the 1960s, McGrath writes that he "came to the view that God was an infantile illusion, suitable for the elderly, the intellectually feeble, and the fraudulently religious...It was the received wisdom of the day that religion was on its way out, and that a glorious, godless dawn was just around the corner. "As a young intellectual with an aptitude for science and specialisms in quantum theory and then biology, McGrath' srationalist worldview had little patience for theories of blind faith.
However, his deep engagement with science was–perhaps counter- intuitively–the very thing that unsettled his unbelief. He writes:
"Atheism, I began to realize, rested on a less-than-satisfactory evidential basis.The arguments that had once seemed bold, decisive, and conclusive increasingly turned out to be circular, tentative, and uncertain". He became a Christian, and continued his enthusiastic pursuit of science, realising that his growing interest in theology was not in conflict with it; rather the two disciplines illuminated each other.
Having at first been a fan of Richard Dawkins' scientific writing (if not his arguments for atheism), he has since become one of his most enduring opponents, both in print (he's the author of The Dawkins Delusion) and in public debate.


What's perhaps most interesting about all of these stories is the diversity among them. One might imagine that famous intellectuals tend to arrive at a conclusion of Christian belief by means of rational argument, yet that's by no means the only reason given. Conviction of sin, the observation of transformation, and the sense that God was simply pursuing them all contributed to these widely-varying testimonies. McGrath realised the rational argument for God was stronger than that against Him, but Wilson based his decision mainly on what he saw in the behaviour of Christians.

Surely this contains one of the strongest rationales for faith. Belief in God isn't blindly based on acceptance of the Bible as truth, or simply because the argument makes sense, but because when we begin to truly look for him, we begin to find him everywhere. In nature, in science, in supernatural experience, and perhaps most compellingly of all in the transformed lives of the people who have already believed in him.

The journeys of these five men are not unusual. They are simply five high-profile examples of what can happen when closed minds open to the possibility that they might just be wrong.

For more high profile converts, visit; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Christianity_from_nontheism







Article by Martin Saunders - A Contributing Editor for Christian Today and the Deputy CEO of Youthscape.
Twitter: @martinsaunders