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Latakia:
He pain this IPOB terrorists apologist

Shut up again

MaxInDHouse:
To you who can't get it's BENEFITS but to me it's a book from my God who wants us to benefit ourselves! Isaiah 48:17-18

Its relevant only to brainwashed Christians, it doesn’t have any value in the real world.

Deal with the truth, the Bible is not realer than Spider-Man comic

MaxInDHouse:
You deserve to be consoled!
Ara ìjà l'eyín wà!

Above all, your fictional book remains a storybook

Ficient:
A lady that says a firm NO to sex in a relationship has just increased her chances of getting married to the guy eventually

I can never marry a lady I have not had sex with.
I will be curious as to why she doesn’t want to have sex?
I’m of the opinion that I need to get any lady I’m getting married to pregnant before anything Sef.
See this one

Latakia:
Sex before and after marriage with anybody other than your wife or husband is a sin before God. The consequences start from punishment of the grave.

SHut up

Mariangeles:
Why would you ask her for sex? Is she your wife?
What makes you feel you're entitled to her body?
Do you have any intention of marrying her? I think that should be your main focus.

What state law says I cannot have sex before marriage?

sagenaija:
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You made a statement. It's either that you don't understand the meaning of the words you use or you want to mislead people.

You said "theories are modified....". What is the meaning of modified?

If 'modified' is not a change from a previous state or position then you must be very 'intellectual' and 'scientifically literate'.

Whether it's J. Lamarck or Darwin the issue had been how new species came up. The positions of these men 'evolved' over time, incorporating the works of others. But the bottom line is how do we account for the different species we find in nature. The title of Darwin's seminal work on the issue attests to this.

Observation is different from proof of causality. If you see a cell phone, you can make a number of observations about it. But those observations will not account for how it came about. Whether by mutations or spontaneous alterations of genes how do new species originate? That's the key issue.

Whatever 'evidence' provided by scientists for evolution is even at the molecular level it is all based on creative imagination. For example, if the second law of thermodynamics is true how does that favour evolution? What is the 'FACT' in the theory of evolution?

To claim that an unproven theory is a fact is a disservice to science and humanity.

This is the theory of evolution, read ur carefully (I hope you do) then come back and debate it



1. Recombination or Variation

Recombination is the newly produced geno types are derived from the existing genes. The gene combinations having similar individuals with two types of alleles, mixing of the chromosomes in the course of sexual reproduction of two parents create new individuals, an exchange of the chromosomal pairs of alleles that happens during meiosis, known as crossing over, yield the new form of gene combinations. Chromosomal mutations like inversion, deletion, duplication, translocation, polyploidy all are resulting in the recombination of gene.

Natural selection is typically the most powerful mechanism causing evolution to happen. However, it only chooses among the already existing variations in a population. It does not yield new genetic variations but it is also responsible for making genetic combinations, which were not found in earlier generations.

Sperm and ova are basically different from somatic cells in the number of chromosomes that they have. Both male and female sex cells usually get only half the number of parent chromosomes (23 out of 46 in humans).

2. Mutation

The changes that take place in the gene is because of phenotypic effect differential as the mutation. This creates several numbers of changes that might be harmful. Various mutant forms of genes are falling to the normal genes in a homozygous condition. These changes are reason variations in offspring.

Mutations can have a variety of effects. They can often be harmful. Others have little effect. Although very hard, the change in DNA arrangement may even turn out to be useful to the organism.

A mutation that happens in body cells that are not passed through to subsequent generations is called a somatic mutation. Mutations take place in a gamete or in a cell and that gives rise to other gametes are special due to the impact the next generation may not harm the adult at all. Such changes are named germ-line mutations because they occur in a cell used in reproduction, giving the alteration a chance to become more in over time. If the mutation has a harmful effect on the phenotype of the offspring, the mutation is mentioned as a genetic disorder. One after the other, if the mutation has a positive effect on the fitness of the offspring, it is known as adaptation. Thus, all mutations that disturb the fitness of future generations are agents of evolution.

Mutations are vital for evolution. Every genetic aspect in every organism was, primarily, the result of a mutation. The new genetic variant spreads with the help of reproduction, and differential reproduction is a defining factor of evolution. It is easy to understand how a mutation that lets an organism to feed, nurture or reproduce more efficiently that could cause the mutant allele to become more abundant as time passes by. Soon the population may be quite ecologically and physiologically different from the original population that is short of the adaptation. Even harmful mutations can cause evolutionary change, particularly in small populations, by eliminating individuals that might be carrying adaptive alleles at other genes.

3. Heredity

In humans, eye color is an example of a hereditary characteristic: an individual can inherit the "brown-eye trait" from mother and father. Inherited characters are regulated by genes and the complete group of genes within an organism's genome is known as its genotype.

The complete group of observable characters of the structure and behavior of an organism is known its phenotype. These traits arise from the interaction of its genotype with the surroundings. As a result, many features of an organism's phenotype are not hereditary. For instance, suntanned skin comes from the interaction between an individual's phenotype and sunlight thus, suntans are not passed on to their offspring’s. However, some individuals tan are more easily than others, due to differences in their genotype a striking example is individuals with the inherited characteristic of albinism, who do not tan at all and are highly sensitive to sunburn.

Heritable characters are well-known to be passed from one generation to the next with the help of DNA, a molecule that encodes genetic information. DNA is a long polymer that includes four types of bases, which are exchangeable. The sequence of bases along a specific DNA molecule states that the genetic information: this is comparable to a series of letters spelling out a passage of text. Before a cell divides via mitosis, the DNA is copied, so that each of the resulting two cells will get the DNA sequence. A part of a DNA molecule that specifies a single functional unit is known as gene different genes has a different series of bases. Within cells, the long strands of DNA form condensed structures so-called chromosomes. Organisms get genetic material from their mother and father in the form of homologous chromosomes, having a unique combination of DNA sequences that code for genes. The exact location of a DNA sequence within a chromosome is called a locus. The different forms of this sequence are named alleles. DNA sequences can change through mutations, making new alleles. If a mutation takes place within a gene, the new allele can affect the characteristic that the gene regulates, altering the phenotype of the organism
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4. Natural selection

Natural selection makes a change in the frequency of the genes from one generation to the other selecting the differential type of the reproduction. The natural selection method forms an adaptive relation between the environment and the population over several combinations of genes. In 1859, Charles Darwin set out his philosophy of evolution by natural selection as a description of adaptation and speciation. He well-defined natural selection as the "principle by which even a slight variation ofatrait
, if useful, is conserved". The idea was simple but powerful: persons best adapted to their surroundings are more likely to live and reproduce. As long as there is some difference between them and that difference is heritable, there will be a certain selection of individuals with the most helpful variations. If the differences are genetic, then a degree of difference reproductive achievement will lead to a progressive evolution of specific populations of a species, and populations that grow to be sufficiently different finally become different species


Based on these simple remarks, Darwin concluded the following:

• In a population, some individuals will have genetic traits that help them live and reproduce (given the conditions of the environment, such as the predators and food sources present). The individuals with helpful characters will leave more offspring in the next generation than their peers since the characters make them more effective at surviving and reproducing.

• Because the helpful characters are transmissible, and because organisms with these traits leave more offspring, the characters will tend to become more common (present in a larger fraction of the population) in the coming generation.


Darwin's model of evolution by natural selection permitted him to clarify the patterns he had seen during his journeys. For example, if the Galápagos class shared a common ancestor, it made sense that they should resemble one another. If groups of birds had been isolated on other islands for several generations, still, every group would have been visible to a different environment in which different transmissible characters can be preferred, like different shape and size of mouths for using different food sources. These characteristics could have led to the development of distinct species on each island.

5. Isolation

It is one of the vital aspects responsible for the synthetic theory of evolution. The isolation helps in avoiding the interbreeding of organisms which is a generative form of isolation.

Type of isolation

1. Geographical isolation

When the populations are separated by a geographical barrier, such as sea, river, mountain, deserts and for marine animal’s land, they are largely prohibited from interbreeding. Such populations are called allopatric and are forced to evolve freely and accumulate genetic differences. Geographical isolation can be different for different species. For instance, a small stream might be an effective hurdle for land insects and small mammals but for birds even mountain and oceans may not be barriers.

2. Reproductive isolation

The mechanisms of reproductive isolation are a group of evolutionary mechanisms , behaviors and physiological processes critical for speciation. They stop members of different species from producing offspring, or guarantee that any offspring are sterile. These hurdles maintain the integrity of a species by reducing gene flow between related species

2. Temporal or habitat isolation

Any of the factors that stop potentially fertile beings from meeting will reproductively isolate the associates of distinct species. The kinds of hurdles that can cause this isolation contain: different habitats, physical hurdles, and a difference in the time of sexual maturity or flowering

3. Behavioral isolation

The different mating rituals of animal species generate tremendously powerful reproductive blocks, termed behavior isolation, that isolate apparently similar to the species in the majority of the groups of the animal kingdom. In dioecious species, males and females require to search for a partner, be in vicinity to each other, carry out the mating rituals and release their gametes into the environment in order to breed

4. Mechanical isolation

Mating pairs cannot be able to pair successfully if their genitals are not compatible. Insects' rigid coverings act in a manner analogous to a lock and key, as they will only let mating between individuals with matching structures, that is, males and females of the identical species.

All the above points explain the modern synthetic theory of evolution.

sagenaija:
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You made a statement. It's either that you don't understand the meaning of the words you use or you want to mislead people.

You said "theories are modified....". What is the meaning of modified?

If 'modified' is not a change from a previous state or position then you must be very 'intellectual' and 'scientifically literate'.

Whether it's J. Lamarck or Darwin the issue had been how new species came up. The positions of these men 'evolved' over time, incorporating the works of others. But the bottom line is how do we account for the different species we find in nature. The title of Darwin's seminal work on the issue attests to this.

Observation is different from proof of causality. If you see a cell phone, you can make a number of observations about it. But those observations will not account for how it came about. Whether by mutations or spontaneous alterations of genes how do new species originate? That's the key issue.

Whatever 'evidence' provided by scientists for evolution is even at the molecular level it is all based on creative imagination. For example, if the second law of thermodynamics is true how does that favour evolution? What is the 'FACT' in the theory of evolution?

To claim that an unproven theory is a fact is a disservice to science and humanity.

Whats the business of first law or thermodynamics and evolution?

How does it disprove theory of evolution?

MaxInDHouse:
Well packaged with information about current world events, past events and future events. I have brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, and children throughout the world who will gladly embrace me with love simply knowing that i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses!
You have nothing! Even the whitemen you're following in this line of thought don't give a damn about you because according to their theory you evolved from the ape family, who born monkey?
Charles Darwin is no more now i for tell you say go greet am for house say you be one of him pikin for atheism, nah den you go know sey you're totally empty!

Bible is still fiction according to the topic

MaxInDHouse:
Empty atheist!

Why are you bitter?

TenQ:
I am not asking questions about Evolution as I said before, Darwin discussed evolution of SPECIES (already existing).

Unfortunately, evolution strictly speaking must start from unicellular organisms. Therefore, that is my question!

If you don't know the answer, then you can't be of any help. But then the question is when discussing evolution of species, how far into the past are you allowed to go? Is their a restriction?

Evolution of specie is what Darwin discusses and not origin of life.
We have evidence for evolution of species but we don’t have evidence for origin of life.

Science doesn’t have answers for that question now. However we have two strong hypotheses we are testing, abiogenesis and panspermia but they are not facts yet but theory of evolution is fact.
If you can put forward your own hypothesis, maybe we can test it and see if it works

MaxInDHouse:
Go and hide your face in shame, this is not one of your usual fruitless arguments with some misinformed Churchgoers!

The lord Flying Spaghetti Monster loves you.
Repent from your sinful ways

hupernikao:
You aren't truthful and it won't help you.

I am not such you blackmail or use strawman card for.

Show me where I called atheist any bad name. Just show me where I abuse anyone. Every of my words online are deliberate and well coordinated. Don't ever think they are misused.


Is it by telling you the truth that you aren't an atheist but untrained psychologist that you called "Name calling?". Bro that's a description not an abuse. I stand by that anyday and that wasn't referring to any atheist but people who fall into that category but calling themselves atheist, a category you also fall. Many on NL are same as that claiming atheist.

So, you need to embrace that truth and not see it as accusation or abuse.


And also, your usage and understanding of the Bible need a lot of assistance, I have said that severally, trying to use the Bible to come against my concerns for you is not a smart one. What I am doing to you is exactly what the bible stands for: to correct and teach. All you need to do is to be open to these corrections and stop seeing it as an attack or competition.

You don’t need assistance to understand the fairytales in the Bible.
You only need to find evidence to discard it like any other comic and storybook

TenQ:
You like digressing and going off tangent to the issue at stake

Microbes have specialized cells organelles for excreting don't they?

2. All living things have organs/organelles that
i. Take in Energy
ii. Digest and store the energy
iii. Excretes wastes as a result of digestion of energy source
iv. Possess means of replicating themselves
It doesn't matter if they were Amoeba, bacteria, plant or animals. From your vast knowledge of Biochemistry, you should be able to chronicle their evolution/appearance in living things?

In other words: What is the sequence of their appearance in the formation of living things from chemical reactions?

its good you have corrected yourself on the cell and organelle thing. Now I can address your other points.

Your question is not about evolution. Ask a question about the topic “Evolution”. Your question is about abiogenesis which obviously not the topic.

I’m waiting for you to ask a question on theory of evolution. It’s also embarrassing that you can not differentiate evolution from abiogenesis as a topic

TenQ:
That wasn't your argument. Don't microbes excrete?
If they excrete, do they not have specialised cells that do that?

You are thrashing too wildly apart.

Na by force to talk science?

TenQ:
Not as much as you!

”microbes have specialized cells for excretion”

A statement by someone with no single knowledge about cells

How can someone with A brain make such comment?

Microbes are cells for god sake, how can there be specialized cell in a cell for excretion

TenQ:
vacuole, is a space within a cell that is empty of cytoplasm, lined with a membrane, and filled with fluid

You mean that vacuoles aren't bound in cells?
It's just a question o!

So why are you now saying a cell have “specialized cell” for excretion?
Are you dumb


how can a microbe have specialized cell for excretion? Product of bad education

MaxInDHouse:
By the end of the day you end up knowing that you don't have anything extra apart from what everyone has, but a true believer has what you can never ever have:

Then Peter said in reply: “Look! We have left all things and followed you; what, then, will there be for us?”........ everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands for the sake of my name will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit everlasting life! Matthew 19:27 & 29

Jesus promised that i will have brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers and children all over the world and it happened just as Jesus promised. So that's why i believe that Jesus has what it takes to lead me to everlasting life!

What has your spaghetti sauce given you that you feel other humans don't have?

More Gibberish from the Bible.

Acknowledge the Flying Spaghetti Monster now and be saved

TenQ:
See how you contradict yourself.

Microbes excrete by passively or actively transporting waste proceducts via vacuoles between the extracellular fluid and the cytoplasm.

I beg, what are vacuoles made up of? Cement and Gravels?

its an embarrassment that I have to teach a grown up man parts of cells. Study the image below of plant and animal cell to understand what a vacuole is

You don’t know the what microbes and cells are or the difference organelles and organs and yet you always been want to talk about science. What kind of person are you? you keep making amateur mistakes
Nawa o
This won’t be happening if you paid attention in integrated science

TenQ:
See how you contradict yourself.

Microbes excrete by passively or actively transporting waste proceducts via vacuoles between the extracellular fluid and the cytoplasm.

I beg, what are vacuoles made up of? Cement and Gravels?

Vacuole is a cellular organelle. It’s found “inside” of a cell’s cytoplasm and not a specialized cell.
Are you kidding me that you don’t know this?
You didn’t go animal and plant cell in biology?
What kind of embarrassment is this?

Whenever you try to talk about science it’s one mistake or the other

MaxInDHouse:
You missed the import of Christianity!

Can't you see that you try to tell me what you're gaining from your so called freedom only to end up adding to what i already have but you can never have what i have:

A global family of peace loving worshipers who will welcome me anywhere i go throughout the entire inherited earth as my family in the faith. So we are looking for people who wish to have what we have, that's why we are coming to knock on your door but once you declare to us that you don't want what we have then we'll leave you and off we go to the next door, you can only speak for yourself not for everyone!

Oga, Flying Spaghetti Monster is the true god.

Know this and know peace

TenQ:
That wasn't your argument. Don't microbes excrete?
If they excrete, do they not have specialised cells that do that?

You are thrashing too wildly apart.

Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Microbes have specialized cells for excreting, do you know anything at all?

Microbes are unicellular organisms themselves, I have always told you to stop talking science.
Microbes excrete by passively or actively transporting waste proceducr via vacuoles between the extracellular fluid and the cytoplasm.

How can you say microbes have specialized cells to do excretions?
Guy why can’t you just simply ask for basic explanation for things?

How can a unicellular organisms have specialized cells for excretion?

It is still this same you that doesn’t know what an organ is

Someone that doesn’t know basic cellular biology now wants to talk about evolution

MaxInDHouse:
So keep your faith in your God while i keep mine in my God!

The world will be a better place if Christianity has been doing this
But you dudes will knock on our doors to preach your falsehood

MaxInDHouse:
The foolish says in his heart "there is no God"

And who told you i can have sex (different styles) and drink whiskey, champagne, baron, red wine when i feel like?

You know nothing so you're confused due to the misinformation you got about God!

For your information i'm now 52 and my wife 41, both of us still play like lovebirds and enjoy different sex styles as we love to.
When God created Adam and Eve, the book says he always give them signs when approaching their domain because they may be having sex anytime they feel like as man and wife.
So you were thoroughly misinformed about God!

The foolish says in his heart that there’s no Flying Spaghetti Monster

sunjai:
the only thing I feel for you is pity.

Feel Pity for yourself because you have been indoctrinated from childhood to believe series of fictions as being fact

MaxInDHouse:
You know PEACE because you don't have to worry that an invisible being is watching over you, so you need security guards with dogs, hall walls with iron burglaries and you have to suspect everyone around you (including your own relatives and security guards whom you're paying) because you only want to believe in what you can SEE yet you're scared of those you're seeing.
Certainly you have the type of PEACE you deserve!

Peace is when you can have sex whenever you like without being scared or committing the sin of fornicating because one silly book says so

Peace is when you can drink alcohol with Roy obeying a silly book

sagenaija:
See the HIGHLIGHTED. Don't be too quick to always immediately oppose the other person's statements.

Modification means changes. In other words, basic or FUNDAMENTAL changes made, which can alter the position.
Workch, what this means is that any area in a theory that is not proven is modified. Modification means that the original position held in that area is no longer held as valid. Therefore it is in effect REJECTED!

Nope, it’s not change. You are just scientifically illiterate to understand but I will give you examples.

Examples 1: Newton’s laws of gravity is accurate as the equation is still very relevant in lunching spacecraft and describe laws of motion on earth and moderate speed but at high speed, the law breaks down hence it cannot work on that realm then Albert Einstein developed the theory of gravity which works better at high speed close to speed of light. If you apply theory of gravity at moderate speed, it will give you same thing as newton law of gravity. It’s not to say that Newton’s aw of gravity is wrong.


Example 2; Dalton’s atomic theory figured that elements contains atoms which contains negative charge and positive charges, he was very correct here but what he missed was the arrangement of the elections and protons. Rutherford came forward and discovered the arrangements, hence we have to modify Dalton’s theory by including the arrangement. Bohr then discovered that the Electrons moved in elliptical clouds called and have can move from one energy state to another, we have to modify Rutherford theory by adding that.

3. Lamarck theory of evolution discovered that certain traits can be passed from parents to offspring, that’s fact but he didn’t account for how those traits are sharpened and how they are being passed to offspring. Later, Charles Darwin discovered that the environment is responsible for selecting these heritable traits by natural selection and this natural selection cause variation, we tested this and it was correct he didn’t figure what caused the transfer of this traits not until Watson and crick discovers DNA and Mendel discovered that DNA is the cause of this hereditary traits, we have to modify Darwin’s theory by adding this to form the modern synthetic theory of evolution.

This is the beauty of science, we accept new knowledge that has evidence and can be proven and we modify what we know before now. It’s not like religion where irrespective of the evidence, they don’t change their mind. We accept new evidence and modify what we have. If you can disprove evolution with facts and testable evidence and not the creation nonsense in the Bible, we will modify The theory of evolution again. As a matter of fact, if you can provide evidence for creation that we can test, we wil immediately replace evolution with it. There’s no shame in that

That’s why I love science

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know PEACE at all?

Well i am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses and i'm telling you that i can travel to any part of this planet and feel relax in the home of any JW throughout the earth today just as if i have brothers, sisters, mothers and children all over the world! Perhaps you can tell me a better way to have PEACE of mind knowing that you have a home to sleep comfortably and being welcomed hospitably throughout the earth!

I know peace because I don’t have to worry that a fictional character is watching whatever I do.

jmoore:
You ended up saying nothing. All these dumb atheists roaming around religious section.

I am not atheist because I accept evolution. Majority of Christians including the Church of England and Catholic Church accept evolution.
Only I’ll-informed people, majorly literalists and ill-educated christian in developing countries in Africa don’t see evolution as fact.

You are part of the latter

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted settles the matter!

You are not me so it's not compulsory that we must react the same way to issues, what matters to you is not my concern but what's affecting the lives of people around me!

The Bible until all in it has been verified is a story book.

Know that and know peace

sagenaija:
Theories can be proven or REJECTED. Yes or No?

nope, hypothesis can be proven or rejected.
Theories are modified when better evidence suffice.

You are illiterate of science

sagenaija:
This thread is about evolution, isn't it?

Yes, how does evolution assess origin of life?