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advocatejare:
In short, you don’t believe in the existence of God?

yes

advocatejare:
Op is entitled to his opinions.

Before I engage people, I always want to know the religion they practice or who they believe in.

If Op can tell me his belief, I may engage him, same applies to you too!

I'm an agnostic atheist

[quote author=Uptownerd post=109090768][/quote]Isreal is not a Christian country

Speaklove:
First of all #Lordreed I never intended to go public -with with this discussion between myself and you.
but as i was noting down the words that God inspired me to give as a reply to your question I found out that "they are too
Powerful and effect-creating"so much that they could also be the saving grace for others while keeping you in view .

This is not a plan to shame you or put you to public ridicule or debate -I am not a debator.
So please bear with me and forgive me for taking this path .
Thank you very much for your cooperation and understanding-#speaklove

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This is was Lordreed's reply to one of my comment on a particular post of mine
This is the link https://www.nairaland.com/6901414/ever-thought



This is my reply .
It is not meant for lordreed alone but also for all those who upheld the same thought about god like himself.

#speaklove#
You said
" A god that resides in your mind. "
#me
So if you claimed he resides in my mind then that should be one if the evidences that he is real because ;the mind is one of the four components of the soul .

The human soul is a living matter ,
And the mind is not an ordinary term to describe the thinking faculty of a human but a factual space of existence within the soul of man .

Secondly
You said "If your god was real you'd direct me to him but alas all you can do is offer supplication to your mental magic sky daddy"

#me
This is an indication that you've conceived a wrong or partial definition of the term or word "REALITY" within you .

"Reality" is not "Reality" because you can see or touch it ,rather it is about what you can or not see or what you can hear or not hear but
Which affect and influence your existence irrespective of your knowledge about it or acknowledgement of it .

So God was not or is not real because we think or imagined his existence but because we can see and feel his influence ,his power ,his dominion ,his artistic splendor displayed all over the wall of creation .

We ourselves are one of the proofs of the existence and reality of god -in that we are constantly faced with bewilderment every time we behold the streams of miraculous innovations and new findings from experiment conducted by this wonderful being called man .
So even the findings done through scientific experiments are not(or should not be) for discrediting the existence of God but for pointing to undeniable and factual traits that are no less than the handiwork if a higher being
Whose splendor are greater than anything humans can think or imagine ,and this being can not be called anything less than God-the Creator.

In fact;sometimes it is the wonder that flows from the exploits of men that made some men to begun to call some of their fellow men "gods" .
Even the man David looked at man and wondered, that he asked in
Psalms 8:4-6
[4]"What is man that You are mindful of him, And the son of man that You visit him?
[5]For You have made him a little lower than the angels, And You have crowned him with glory and honor.
[6]You have made him to have dominion over the works of Your hands; You have put all things under his feet,
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But they had no knowledge that man was made in the image and likeness of God.
This means: man was created to manifest the majesty of God to the whole of creation as a representative of God on earth .

So the scriptures say
Romans 8:19
[19]For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.

You #Lordreed#
I believe you are here on nairaland .
I did not believe because I could see you
But I believed your existence here on nairaland because I can feel you and see the works of your hand .

You yourself are an expression of the reality of God.

If you are looking for the evidence of the reality of God do not go far my dear friend
But look at yourself in a mirror .

You are fake as far as the mirror is concern because you don't live in the mirror ,
(same way god does not live in the world)

The mirror can't see you (even though you can see yourself in the mirror)
The mirror can't hear you (even though you can hear yourself speaking be for the mirror)

But you yourself know that you truly exist even though the mirror doubt or deny your existence .

The mirror can not see you
But you can see the mirror and even see yourself in the mirror .

The same way when God want to take a look at himself to see how he looks
He looks at "Lordreed" and smile and say how handsome I am .

But "lordeed" doesn't want to believe in god because he cant see God ,but God can see himself in" Lordreed" because God is real .

Lordreel -you are like " a mirror ",and God is like "Lordreed " who take a look at a mirror and see himself in the mirror even though the mirror might disagree , deny or doubt the existence of Lordreed".

So the mirror's inability to hear or see lordreed does not invalidate the existence of Lordreed .
The same way
Lordreed's inability to hear or see God does not invalidate the existence of God .

This is my reply to Lordreed and to every other person who upheld the same thought that he penned out as a question or argument for the nonexistence of God .

This answer his inspired by the spirit of the same God whose existence you question or doubt .
Even this answer alone is a pointer to the glory of the living God -even Jehovah who saved us and washes us from our sins by the blood of his son Jesus Christ .
For God so loved the world that he gave his only son that whosoever believe in him should not perish but have everlasting life.

#Lordreed .this is a stream of love that flows from the heart of the spirit of the living God who dwells in me towards you ,
And he declare unto you today and now
2 Corinthians 6:2
[2]For He says: “In an acceptable time I have heard you, And in the day of salvation I have helped you.” Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.

Please yield your hearts to Jesus and be saved.! please.

I love you .

Modified thrice by 7 :45pm. On 2 -1 - 2022

It's amazing how you think you can convince any athiest by using quotes from the Bible.
The flaws in the Bible which we have read is why we are mostly atheists

Rosement:
Thanks for participating. Which is your preferred option? Please simplify, are you picking Option B or you don't know the answer?

My option is not there.

I don't know

Rosement:
Do we all agree that Option B is impossible. Only Option A and C is possible because logically, something that does not exist cannot create itself but if it has already existed prior to its creation, it can create other things or other aspects of itself.

So, it is either the universe has always existed or a creator existed before the universe and created the universe.

We are left with Option A and C. If you pick any of these options, you have to explain logically why you prefer that option to the other option. Please give your explanation without using Biblical principles.

If you think option B is not possible then you don't understand basic physics.
Things have been seen to come out of nothing in quantum physics. That's why I am telling you that you need evidence first and not solely logic.

We have tonnes of evidence that something can come from nothing in quantum physics. This is even a study niche to understand how the universe started

Jokerman:
C.

Only a fool will say no one created the universe, or that the universes just exploded and became what we know of today.

There are intelligent signs everywhere for us to discern the truth...

only a fool says things without evidence.
The universe aslo has all the trademark that nothing created it

Rosement:
In classical antiquity, there was no real ancient analog of a modern scientist. Instead, philosophers engaged in the philosophical study of nature called natural philosophy, a precursor of natural science.

A lot of people have been debating theories and forming philosophers on this forum but now they are mute.

In a way, we are philosophers because
philosopher is a person who seeks wisdom or enlightenment : SCHOLAR, THINKER.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/philosopher

Classical antiquity couldn't even figure that the earth isn't flat with their logic.
That's what logic does, it makes sense objectively but can be misleading if there's no evidence to work with.
Logic works better when evidence to test it is available else you may create wrong inferences.

Rosement:
Since scientists doesn't have a definite answer to the creation of the universe and they keep debating among themselves, we cannot rely on scientific theories but we can think of a logical answer ourselves. So which of these options, do you think is possible?

logic without evidence is unrealible. You can reach objective conclusions that may start a self-delusional mind frame.

The smartest way to learn is always be truthful to yourself that you don't know but you are going to find out instead of making stuffs up in the name of logic.

Rosement:
A. The universe does not need to be created because it has always existed.
B. The universe created itself.
C. The universe must have a creator because it cannot create itself.

I don't know as there's no evidence for any of these argument

Two stupid people.
Religion is an insult to the intelligence of humans.

Bearfruit:
truth shall be cast to the ground, the hatred is to Christ... Christianity nothing more. Take away the prince of peace let see if there will be peace anywhere in the world.

You are deluded in your religious beliefs

SisterFire:
...check my profile I have a thread running still on page214 running till 2000pages.. Ask me what disturbs you and I won't withhold d truth .

Otunski:
Can Daddy Freeze point to any emperica data to support this? At least we have on record how many people died in the
US civil War, world wars Holocaust, Vietnam war, BokoHaram insurgency, Gulf war and more recently the Covid-19. You can just start making spurious claim without facts to support it . It's even more annoying how people are supporting Daddy Freeze on this claim

The total is between 16 million and 31 million deaths due to religion in recorded history. By comparison, 60 million people died in World War II.

Here's the breakdown, rounding to the nearest million (so the witch hunts don't make the cut):

The Holocaust: 6 million
The Crusades: 1-3 million
Partition of India: 1 million
The Inquisition: 1 million
30 Years War: 3 - 11 million
French Wars of Religion: 2-4 million
Nigerian Civil War: 1-3 million
Second Sudanese Civil War: 1-2 million

This is aside the unaccounted death caused by religious ignorance. He's right from all probability that religion may have caused more deaths indirectly and directly than all he listed.

We have recorded deaths by caused inquistions, religious leaders and institutions for blasphemy in the medieval Times

amnesty7:
And how many lives has atheism saved?

stupid questions.
Your question should be how many lives has atheism killed

marshalcarter:
Dem dey talk say wetin you no know pass you...oga Mr OP...go and read what the slave did to his wife before Bro Abraham chased her out...he prayed to God for direction and God told him what to do...
There are some parts of the Bible that have been removed due to one or more reasons...so go read your Bible and get your facts right...

Happy new year OP...remain blessed

Abraham na pschycho.
Na prison him go dey if he tries that now

Businext:
What can the purpose of this thread be?
Kindly close it and don't invoke curses on yourself.
Those who bless Abraham will be blessed and those who curse him will be cursed.
The Bible is not there for us to analyse characters to defame them and pass lame judgements to what end?
People who have lived and gone to face their Maker, while you and I remain on the race.
They are there for us to learn and have sense.
Before you talk always ask yourself what if na me person talk this thing to and about? Or my papa or mama? How I go feel

#LifeNaJeje

What is it that I should learn from a story of a psychopath like Abraham?
In this modern world, that man will be in jail for attempted murder or rehab from serious mental issues

Businext:
What can the purpose of this thread be?
Kindly close it and don't invoke curses on yourself.
Those who bless Abraham will be blessed and those who curse him will be cursed.
The Bible is not there for us to analyse characters to defame them and pass lame judgements to what end?
People who have lived and gone to face their Maker, while you and I remain on the race.
They are there for us to learn and have sense.
Before you talk always ask yourself what if na me person talk this thing to and about? Or my papa or mama? How I go feel

#LifeNaJeje

Nonsense upon unsubstantiated beliefs

OK, my vote goes for Abraham. After hearing voices in his head he gives up his home and makes his family and sex slave live in a tent. He mutilates his own genitals, then his son’s then actually gets the kid to help him build an alter so he can offer him up as a human sacrifice. The voice in his head tells him to stop at the last minute. But still later after getting his sex slave pregnant he sends her and his other son out into the wilderness to die because he wife nagged him about it.


I mean. Bleep.

What Abraham needed was a course of Chlorpromazine two to four times a day in conjunction with some sort of talking therapy twice a week. However, it seems god isn't a man of science or medicine.

There's nothing wrong in becoming atheists. I am an atheist and I am fine dude.

DeepSight:
For it has always seemed somewhat odd to me, that one may create something, and then proceed to sit in magisterial judgement over it - in terms of condemning it to destruction or granting it life. In terms of saying that it is good or evil - Because - any such judgement is necessarily a judgment of the Creator itself and no one else, surely?

Who else is responsible for the nature of a created thing if not the creator of the thing?

That's because the creator story according to religion is bullshit and a bronze age contraption is what formulated by nomads who had to idea how the universe works

greencard:
if you say you are really woke, or probably exposed as you Claim, then other people's faith and beliefs shouldn't bother you, nonetheless ridicule them.

I have a boss who is a atheist and a Caucasian

I have another Oga who is Hindu and a Indian

I have another boss who is a Muslim

Then I myself is a Christian

We all work together in same environment, and yes we do discuss religion, but non of them ever ridiculed my religion.

It is you that need to work on your ego and belief and more importantly serious work need be done on your Brains too

How does that make any relevance here?
You will work in peace as long as you don't try to force your religious tenets on them and you don't try to let them think that your religious tenets should be the standard.
The work place isn't even a place to discuss your religion affiliation unless you are a psychopath. I'm still yet to see how the religious structure in your workplace validates your premise.

bobestman:
How can a spiritually blind man see evidence in all that. Even your Science bow to the Creator of all things. Nothing I say can make sense to you cos you have already conditioned yourself to be an Anthiest. You are swimming in the pool of delusion and falsehood. The greatest delusion and foolishness is not to believe in a Creator when you yourself is a small god/Spirit
May the light of the Sovereign God shine on you. May your blindness be cured. May you recieve an encounter that will soften your hard heart so the light of God can penetrate and show you the true WAY. So shall it be in your life. Bye Bye

How can a dullard like you even say anything that is accurate?
If there’s no evidence to test then it doesn’t exist. Brainwashed dude

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bobestman:
I have got nothing to proof to any Atheist that God or Spirits exist cos their is more hope for a FOOL than for them.

Every human being is a Creation of the Sovereign God and exists as Spirit, Soul and Body. Cos of His Spirit in us, we are also Co- gods. The reason the Bible said "you are gods but shall die like ordinary men". We have lost that power as God cos of disobedience and corruptions . Everything in the World today never happened by chance but is the handy work of a great Architect. (The Sovereign God). Every great edifice or any great thing in the world today is the product of someone who sat down and carefully planned it. Similarly many great things your Science are trying to explain or can't explain today are the works of Great God.
Scientifically speaking the Spirit is likened to a force or let me say force of gravity which your science believe that it exists but can't explain how it happens. It's a great unseen force. If you are told to put on a light in a room, when you stand up and on the light, a reaction occurs which you can't see and then the light comes. Its akin to when a Creator says "let their be light" , then you experience a force or Spirit hovering everywhere and later their was light. That's how the Spirit works.

Your body which is earthly, water, fleshly and decay when ppl die consists of a Soul and Spirit. When you pierce someone, you may find water and then blood. Water is a representation of the flesh cos we are made of water. Blood is a symbolism of the Soul. There is life in the blood. This is why when ppl die, it's the flesh that dies, the soul lives on in another realm, or will face judgement or will remain in the grave ...that's how various Religion doctrines put it. The spirit goes to the Creator, you can't see it unless you are privilege to. The Spirit of man is the candle or light God uses to know everything about you. If science can implant things in your body that can monitor you and with which they can know everything you do, why can't the Sovereign Father? The way those things and even CCTV monitor everything you do, that's how the Spirit of God in you does. It's of God and can record and reveal everything you do earth. Can't you see that your Science are playing God. Supernatural and miraculous things they can't explain, they try to recreate. They are still learning. The Spirit in you is the light of God in you, it's your Chi/ Ori/Higher self/Angel/the Christ in you and so on

I know you are a hardcore Anthiest. I don't waste my time with such people. I just gave you a little evidence, you can accept this truth or thrash it.

[/s] long epistles with no evidence because you are brainwashed a and not very smart to figure that out

Eminemdstan:
Assalam alaikum.
actually,i started masturbating early this year around june.
i do it to the extent of ejaculating and i feel very ashamed after this sinful act.am willing to stop and have put many steps to stop masturbating but i just find myself breaching the rule i set for myself.
pls i need steps i can follow to stop.
be it duas,supplication or anything just help me.

thank you.

There is nothing wrong with masturbation, only religious people see something wrong with it and it’s hypocrisy.
From a religious point of view, a masturbator and fornicator should be the same

bobestman:
You are blind and proud. I can't do anything to help you man. Stick to what works for you.

Show me Evidence for spirits

bobestman:
You are also spiritually dead according to other people's religion. The Spiritual control the Physical. Religion, Politics and Science you Worship are tools the Powers that be are using to control this world. All they gave you are manipulated stories to control you. We are in the age of Light, Enlightment, Acquarius, only woken and Spiritual people who see with not only their 2 physical eyes but also with their One inner and spiritual eye, can tell you the truth. You are Spiritually blind and dead and can never understand this Truth.

Wake up Man and recieve the Light of the Sovereign Father so you can be cured of your blindness

There is nothing like spirit, there’s no evidence for it.
I don’t need to communicate in dumb to get the message across to you

bobestman:
Hahaha I know you are among those Fools who have a spirit in them but still doubt the one who created man and spirits. These knowledge is not for blind men like you. Sorry I can't help you.

I just don't doubt your own creator jargons, I also doubt all other 4000-like creation jargons because they are ridiculous stories without evidence. And only intellectually dead people believe them

greencard:
lol

If only you know who you deh talk to

I know your type sha

U are noticed

Who can’t be very relevant and you still talk as if you never attended a university in your life.
Well, most Nigerian graduates are still illiterates by global standard. No surprise a lot of you cannot figure things out beyond religion

bobestman:
Thank you. The message is already clear

it shows that you know nothing about the topic. You are scientifically illiterate and nothing else is in your head aside religious nonsense

Gen [3:16]
Unto the woman [Eve] he [Jehovah] said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Here’s Deuteronomy 21:18–21:

If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.

bobestman:
If we talk now, many of you will call us Racist, Tribal etc
Mass is their original home. And the time for their judgement is coming so they are making all effort to return there. Mass/Red planet/Rothschild/Redchild. Let me just keep it short. The day the seals or codes in the Bible will be lifted, many of you Christians will weep cos you all are decieved. Things you all understood in that book is not up to 30%.

you can’t even spell “mars”