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DriverX:
The onus lies on you really.

how?

Fiscus105:
I strongly believe God's existence as a supreme being and I also believe in existence of Satan to cause calamity, but.......thre are many stories in Bible which are fictions of imaginations, exaggeration and ignorance. Thou I don't blame the story tellers because that was how it occurred to them then, world was still in completely crude form then.

I understand.
The issue we atheists usually have with believers is when they paint the Bible to us as flawless and immutable even when we have tons of evidence suggesting otherwise.
The global flood myth is not even worthy of any research in science, you can easily disprove it in a classroom with basic scientific knowledge in geology and biology. You don’t even need science, just common sense will tell you that the global flood didn’t happen.
But when Christians insist that it happened irrespective, it becomes so dangerous because we know it’s a lie and lie that could further kill critical reasoning and hinder the advancement of humanity.

PastorM:
I only asked a question. I'm not here to be insulted.

I don’t mean to insult you but your question doesn’t make any sense.
The environment of now and then naturally is almost about the same thing, the only difference is that we have more population now and we weren’t this advanced which even makes it more difficult for Noah to get to say South Africa to tell them about the flood.

Learn something, the Bible has flaws and words of the Bible are not ultimate, stop taking it as such. When an objection comes, dont let your instinct make you want to defend the Bible at all cost, you won’t learn new things by doing This. Learn to be reasonable by looking for what is actually obtainable irrespective of whatever the Bible says. Someone with fair science knowledge will understand why Noah’s ark story is total ridiculous and should be classified as a myth

OkCornel:
Alright, 3…2….1, school me on how humans descended from a common ancestor they shared with the apes. I’m listening.

I am awaiting the sufficient and persuasive evidences. I don’t want extrapolations, wild guesses and hypotheses. I want proofs.

Same way I’ll like a theist to prove to everyone of us man was formed from the dust of the earth.

The evidence doesn’t only say that you share same ancestors with just monkeys, it also says that you share same ancestors with bacteria, banana, snails, pigs and even HIV.

If you disagree the we may have to give you a total overhauling in basic biology and not just evolution.

OkCornel:
Smh, you’ve missed the point altogether!

Same way you can easily see loopholes in these religious books with common sense questions is exactly the same way a theist would see loopholes in scientific claims humans evolved from whatever.

Use that same logic and self introspect! It’s laughable for example to argue Noah had to traverse the entire world to preach and keep mute on considering if his message was spread by words of mouth by others - that’s a deficiency in the logic you’re espousing here.

On the flip side, can you furnish us with sufficient and persuasive evidence humans evolved from apes? Or from habilis to erectus to sapiens?

The same way you’ll passionately defend your viewpoint is same way a religious will do too.

And it’s a complete waste of time since ego will push everyone to prove themselves right rather than have an open mind to learn!

Anyways, your excellency… do have a lovely night rest and enjoy yourself.

There are no loopholes in religious text, religious text are all wrong.
The Bible from the first statement of in the beginning is false until revelation. Trying to justify all the unverified hoaxes in the Bible with unknown phenomena in science is a common fallacy of “whataboutism” which religious people always commit.

The Bible is mostly lies, the lies are evidently outnumber the truth in it.

OkCornel:
Look you’ve raised valid points which will defy rules of logic for one to hold onto their beliefs.

And I acknowledge that.

Just use the same energy you criticise the viewpoint and belief of others to self introspect too.

For example (not directing this at you though), it reeks of double standards to raise valid points on Kangaroos in the Middle East whilst swallowing the humans evolved from whatever theory that flies around in the absence of sufficient and persuasive evidence.

Abeg one to their own beliefs…as long as you’re not bombing one another.

BTW… I don’t subscribe to religion either. The truth doesn’t need religion to prove itself.

We aren’t talking about evolution and by the way, evolution is fact. It’s logical and backed by testable experiments.

It’s a pity you lack common sense that’s why you think an argument against evolution validates Noah’s flood. Logic is far from a typical Christian. Always saying nonsense to justify the nonsense in the Bible

OkCornel:
Just thinking out loud, whoever said Noah has to travel the entire world to warn about the flood?

People who heard will spread the gist as well. On and on it goes…. But heck! Not my headache.

Got pressing issues in my lifetime to sort.

Damn, I pity how Christians reason

PastorM:
Some countries that we have today never existed during the time of Noah.
I asked if the OP assumes the Ancient World is the same world that we have today.
When did the continents form - Africa, Asia etc?
Was Africa today the same Africa back then?

If an alien visited earth and meet you first, it may assume that we still live in Bronze Age and are capable of inventing anything sophisticated because of how you are reasoning.
Maybe it’s a prerequisite to be utterly ignorant before becoming a Christian, because it seems to me that you lot don’t even know anything outside of your Bible.
Noah’s flood is presumed to have happened 4000years ago and the oldest humans fossils we found in Africa, the oldest one found in Morocco is dated 300,000years, that’s about 296,000 years from when Noah’s flood was presumed to have happened and you are here asking unreasonable questions.

What has your question got to do with the He fact that no evidence that any global flood ever happened and noah couldn’t have informed people in then Africa. Why do you Christians like letting humanity down with your backward reasoning?

PastorM:
You're assuming the ancient world is the world as it is today?

how do you mean?

Joeblazeochola:
gbam! u have said it.

Lol, you are a clown

Nothingserious:
Please close the thread.
Talk don finish for ya mouth

The next thing we will hear from you clowns is that we will all ascend to space.

It’s funny seeing how you guys run to your prayer houses every Sunday like you know what you are going.

Clowns

Nothingserious:
Your weak arguments dismantled already.
Next one please!

Lol

Argument of penguins in Middle East?

Lol, that’s stupid like Flying Spaghetti Monster

Religion makes one stupid.
Even the religion if Flying Spaghetti Monster makes more sense, but both are still full of shoe and nonsense

Nothingserious:
You already exhausted the logical questions you were asking before.
Now you are just angry and showing emotional instability.

Your 2 weak arguments quashed. Come up with better thoughts you foolish, ignorant, narcissistic and cocky godless fellow!

It takes an overwhelming level of stupidity to believe that Penguins were ever in the Middle East

I will never allow my kids be as stupid as Christians

Nothingserious:
Your weak arguments dismantled already.
Say something else please.

Who has time to argue against such nonsense.
Llamas travelled from Peru to join an ark in Middle East.

You Christians are so dumb and ignorant. You all know nothing. Only believe anything told to you like zombies and programmed robots

How can llamas travel a cross the Atlantic to join an ark without any evidence left in form of fossil?
To be a Christian, you have to lack common sense, it almost like you need to be abjectly stupid to be a qualified Christian

It’s like religion kills brain cells

Nothingserious:
You have drifted now.
I can see you don’t have common sense.

First of all you asked how Noah would have gone to many places to preach then.
I showed you he did it in 100-120 years and also asked you to discuss what locations anyone could not cover in 120 years. But you changed the topic.

Secondly you asked how structures survived if the flood happened. I simply told you the 2 questions you ask to discredit the flood are very weak. I haven’t even told you the flood happened or did not happen. However I simply followed your 2 questions to say they are weak.

If you try to rubbish the flood account by asking how Noah could have gone round to tell everyone, then you fail. Because he did it in 100-120 years which is enough to talk to everyone.

If you bring arguments on surviving structures, that’s also weak because any good structure should have strong debris after a 40 day flood.
We can confirm that using houses that have been permanently flooded in Lagos and other locations, and even some underwater structures.

The animals and humans were the most affected and not structures. So again, you bring up a weak argument.

You that you have common sense and you still don’t know that there’s no way a flood can cover all the earth.

So Noah trekked to meet those in ancient South Africa to inform them about the flood?

You are a joker. The flood is a lie, only demented people believe such nonsense

Nothingserious:
So what is a 40 day flood supposed to do to those structures?
Kindly analyze for us.

Let’s also analyze structures that had permanently been in waters for years. Did the waters completely exterminate them?

Some houses in Lagos had been submerged in floods at one time or another. Did the structures disappear completely?

Please analyze for us.

The flood cover the peak of Mount Everest. Those using those structure, didn’t record the flood. They didn’t document it and didn’t record any mass murder as that time. There’s no archeological evidence whatsoever on the walls that they were once flooded

Let’s see if you have common sense. Think about it

Nothingserious:
List the structures so we look at them one after the other and examine the effect of flood on such structures.

No historian will specifically pinpoint most of the events of that era. That is why estimates are used.

So you no longer argue on how Noah would have reached many people within that time?

Gobeliki Tepe is 10,000bc
Barnenez is 4,850BC

They are still standing until date

Nothingserious:
Lol!
You can keep running from pillar to post and change the topic a million times. So we have established the logical possibility of Noah preaching to then known smaller world in 100-120 years.

The flood most likely occurred sometime between 2,000 and 10,000 B.C

You don’t know exactly when the flood occurred?

I will tell you, according to the Bible genealogy , the time of Adam to Jesus is 4004 years. From he time of Adam to Noah is 1656 years, it means that the flood happened around 2000BC.
And that’s approximately 4000year ago.

So how come we have structure still standing on earth today that are far older than 4,000years? Flood didn’t destroy them?

petra1:
It wasn't a short period . Noah Spent years in building the ark and preaching

So he got to Africa as well?
Show me that in the Bible

Joeblazeochola:
The one spelt wit capital letter "G" d creator of earth, the i am that i am, chai.. the begining and the end. haba now

So others are fake and yours is the original?

Joeblazeochola:
dats y i told u earlier, awa ignorance will pass away bt GOD's word will nt change.

Which of the Gods?

Tokskob2008:
I try as much as possible not to dabble into religious debates (all religion inclusive) because I feel it far supersedes the reasoning of an average man both living and dead. That being said, as a Christian at least by birth I don't really take much of the things in the Bible to heart that serious. Honestly apart from the book of Psalms I don't think I enjoy any other books in the Bible..

Good to know that you don’t take them too seriously, because most of those narratives using a sane and non-indoctrinated mind makes no absolute sense.

Joeblazeochola:
am nt a pereacher n i dont have answers to all tins. mose dat wrote d 1st five books of d bible was nt dia wen d world was created he was able to do so cus he "is d only man hu saw God", God make man out of clay, those it make sence to u? birds fly witout engine? insects produce light wit out wires? d wisest man on earth is a baby in d afairs of GOD

Whether or not god exist, the Noah’s flood story is ridiculous and lacks even the tiniest atom of evidence that it ever happened.
If you believe those things in the Bible then I can’t help your ignorance

jubrilcastle:
I would suggest you try and find this clip online "The Qur'an and the Bible in the light of science" by Dr Zakir Naik and Dr William Campbell. This very topic was a point of discussion

Sorry, there’s no scientific evidence for the Noah’s flood. I will tell you some reasons.
1. There’s no scientific evidence that a kangaroo that never been found outside of Australia either fossilized or alive in nature can ever cross the Indian Ocean to join the ark.

2. The earth doesn't have enough water to cover the peak of Mount Everest.

3. There’s no scientific evidence that a 500years man can build a sea worthy boat that will house million of terrestrial species for 1years. Even the one Ken has tried building in Kentucky proves it’s impossible such boat to ever sail.

4. So when the flood was over, the carnivores waited for the herbivores to start having enough babies before they start eating? Why does religion lack basic sense?

Why modify evidence to suit your narratives that unfounded?

Nothingserious:
So are we done with how Noah traversed the then known world to preach in 100-120 years which is more than enough to reach out to a lot of people?

What year did the Noah’s flood happen?
I want you to answer that

Nothingserious:
According to the Bible, Noah’s accounts started from Genesis 5 whereas the Tower of Babel happened in Genesis 11.

Isn’t it logical?

What year before the birth of Jesus did the Noah’s flood happen?

Like how many BC?
Do you know that or should we do the maths together?

Nothingserious:
100-120 years is a long time to reach out to the then known worlds.

Civilization and population hasn’t been as complex as it now by then.

Also note the Noah accounts happened before the Tower of Babel in Genesis 11.

According to the Bible, what year did Noah’s flood happen?

Kdon2:
There was no Africa then now!

Uh?
You say what?

weblord1900:
What do you say about Moses.

The worst navigator of all time

Fair enough, since GPS didn’t exist then and No evidence that Israelites were ever slaves in Egypt.

Joeblazeochola:
if u like belive, if u like dont belive both of us will pass away but d word of GOD stays d same, u tink ur wise because u went to school bah?

Should I believe it even when it doesn’t make sense?
Don’t be silly, question these things. A lot of them don’t make any sense

Joeblazeochola:
if animals from different location can travel in pairs to d ark without him telling dem u shld knw, n maybe u shud also consider d year it happened n d population of d world.

Do you have any evidence that kangaroos were ever in the Middle East? Or penguins crossed seas and oceans from Antarctica to join the ark? Or Galapagos tortoise crossed oceans?
Haba, wear your thinking cap dude

Use your sense before typing na.

I have been wondering how Noah sent out the message of catastrophe from the Middle East to other parts of the world in such a short period.

I don’t know which is most unacceptable; the story itself, or whether people don’t question it or even how believers feel insecure when curious people question this.

Lalasticlala, seun