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Smooyis:
If there are miracles, will you believe. We live in a world without hope and faith.

Miracles still happen in abundance but we chose not to see.

miracles don’t happen. All acclaimed for miracles are products of ignorance and gimmicks

Jeromejnr:
Rubbish strawman analysis.

Trying to from mathematician to a STEM professional.

You don't even know how to use probabilities.

Do you know what a conditional probability is? Does your logic even fit a probability theory that should be based on sound logic?

Let me not even start with you.

There is no statistical figure at any level of significance to say that the event or praying is not mutually exclusive to the curing of bed wetting.

You are resining a primitive ape. No data to extrapolate that.

There’s high level of data that links bedwetting to DNA. It’s statistically significant.


It seems you just started basic logical fallacies hence you try to showcase your brittle eloquence in that regard

Jeromejnr:
Mr man.

What you are saying does not hold water. Are you the one who encoded it in his gene?

And the reason why I am against you guys so called non miracle explanation is because I have had 2 experiences as such myself. Which I shared to someone here some days back.

And mine was Alcoholism. An Alcoholic who's throat would itch him for a drink. And after prayer, In a party I drank and was digusted, tried drinking again and was disgusted and couldn't finish drink and that was the end with my Alcoholism.

So I guess it was also encoded in my DNA to stop just some hours after prayer at that particular point in time. Why not a day before the prayer?

Schooling is meant to make you critically sound and not to reason like a primitive ape.

With the knowledge of probability you got from school, what is the statistical significance of this event? That’s even if there’s a proof that the prayers is linked with the stop in bed wetting.

You ignored the statistically significant event to proof an event that has no statistical basis.
The problem of Africa is reasoning, they lack proper culture and that’s why we can’t make sound decisions.

For someone who reasons like you, that person will never be willing to find statistical or evidential basis to whatever happens.

Too bad we have your likes as majority in our society

Jeromejnr:
Mr man.

What you are saying does not hold water. Are you the one who encoded it in his gene?

And the reason why I am against you guys so called non miracle explanation is because I have had 2 experiences as such myself. Which I shared to someone here some days back.

And mine was Alcoholism. An Alcoholic who's throat would itch him for a drink. And after prayer, In a party I drank and was digusted, tried drinking again and was disgusted and couldn't finish drink and that was the end with my Alcoholism.

So I guess it was also encoded in my DNA to stop just some hours after prayer at that particular point in time. Why not a day before the prayer?

The lessons of permutations and combination taught in mathematics is a waste in your regard.

Total waste of time teaching you that aspect of maths if you still reason this way

Jeromejnr:
You have not still said anything. You are busy focusing on the problem which many of us already know and not the way he got the solution.

Provide explanation why his resolved case isn't miraculous based on the solution he sought. We don't want what other teenagers went through.

It will stop whether or not prayers are made and controlled by the gene, if it’s not encoded in the gene for it to stop, there’s nothing your prayers can do about it.

It stopped for op at 19 because it has been encoded in the gene that way but op is a religious person who doesn’t understand basic science, he thinks prayer stopped. Even when we have overwhelming evidence that it stops anyways in almost everyone.

Jeromejnr:
The question was provide an explanation according to the OP's own circumstances.

Not your own story.

Give us a rational explanation. If someone were to give a story of how he had a migraine headache for 15 years and one day he goes to someone and the person says drink this plain water to be cured and instantly he is cured of a 15 Yr ailment, you can't just sit down in the corner of your house and say, well, that's fake how can a glass of water cure a migraine nothing miraculous.

You have to give an explanation.

So give us one according to his own set of circumstances.

You are trying to form intelligent but even your own argument against his cannot hold water at a peer review.

Provide proof based on his own circumstances.

I am telling you that bed wetting Is totally normal in a lot of teenagers and it’s controlled by the DNA and sometimes some other medical conditions.

Stop being ignorant and learn How stuffs work. The gene has been identified long before now and you guys want to take us to the Stone Age with your ridiculous set of beliefs.

iambabaG:
Christianity and idiocy..
Nocturnal enuresis is a medical condition that delays total bladder control even in adults.

You prayed to your god for what exactly??

I swear.

You need to be an extreme idiot to do religion

rollywise:
Oh ye blind fool. Doctors bow to the might of God's work. There are till date illness beyond medical resolution. Yet God healed people of such ailment. May you not learn of God's mighty ways the hard way. Congratulations to the testifier. Your miracle is permanent

Its a normal thing.

I bed wetted until 18. It’s a highly genetic in adolescents and will stop when the bed wetting gene says so. The instruction is in the DNA

You people really are very ignorant.

Plut01:
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I have interest in this thread.....But I will be back when am done worshiping my Obatala. Note, Bed-wetting is one of the most disastrous sickness that can plague any living human...... Far worse than Mental illness.



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Nothing disastrous about it

Jeromejnr:
So why don't you give us the rational explanation based on his circumstances in the story.

We will be waiting.

I bed wetted until I was 18.

Bed wetting has a strong genetic undertone in kids and adolescents.

A gene called the “bed wetting gene “ has been identified in human DNA, it usually responsible for bed wetting in adolescence.

The gene plays a vital role in impulse signaling between the brain and the muscles of the bladder.


Nigerians like to believe anything linked with the supernatural without properly taking steps to find out

You people are not serious.
Bed wetting has a genetic undertone and I realized that because I studied Biochemistry.

I bed wetted until 18 and later in my course of study, I discovered that there’s a bed wetting gene that causes nocturnal Enuresis.

The gene dictates when when you will stop bedwetting whether or not prayers are made, it stops when the gene says so.


N/b: some other medical conditions can also cause bed wetting however for kids and adolescent, it’s usually genetic and controlled by the DNA.

Dtruthspeaker:
Must you advertise your envy? If you do not have a reasonable objection to present, it was better you walked on by.

how would one object to stupid things from a deluded person?

Dtruthspeaker:
Men, you guys do not get good education. The standard has terribly dropped. That explains why you guys become atheist.

My response is based on the idioms "fair weather friends"; "A friend for food" and other friend idioms!.

Anytime this one post nonsense, he thinks he’s smart.

Miracles never existed and doesn’t exist today

No one can come and proof that they do

Emmanuelcann:
Comprehension is helpful.

You are right, you obviously didn’t comprehend the op

Emmanuelcann:
So, why are you bothered? When you die you can see for yourself.

I need to die to see an omnipresent god?
Wow

An omniscient god that preaches forgiveness but lost his mind over an apple.

He’s omniscient but had to ask Adam where he was in the garden of Eden.

Few years later, an omniscient god didn’t know that humans will become sinful, killed almost of them in a flood and then regretted ever doing it. He apologized by creating a rainbow.

Fast forward, his omniscience knowledge allowed his own children of Isreal become slaves in Egypt and then as an all loving god, he needed to kill all innocent first born because Pharoah didn’t grant him permission to let his people go.

An omniscient god tormented his own children in the wilderness for 40years all because he didn’t envisage that they were going to be stubborn and serve idols.

Let me end the story here but dude is too full of anger for an omniscient god, seems like everything angers him. Sounds like what any narcissistic tyrant would always do.

It’s shocking that adults believe these things

KaideeGee:
Good point, even the scripture says the letter killeth but the Spirit giveth life.
When you read the scripture, don't do it with a theoretical mindset, invite the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ said He will guide is into all truth, open your heart to God, pray on submission, and for guidance, I hope that will help.

Okay back to the topic.

And a man of the house of Levi went and took as wife a daughter of Levi.
Exodus 2:1 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/exo.2.1.NKJV

So the anger of the Lord was kindled against Moses, and He said: “Is not Aaron the Levite your brother? I know that he can speak well. And look, he is also coming out to meet you. When he sees you, he will be glad in his heart.
Exodus 4:14 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/exo.4.14.NKJV

Bro, as you can see here, Aaron and Moses were from the tribe of Levi. Later, God set apart Aaron and his entire Lineage to be priests. Clear? No? Priests are a subset of Levites okay? When we mention Levites, priests are also included.
But understandably, in OT times the priest would eat from the offerings and sacrifices. So the other Levites could get there tithes.
Now, sacrifices aren't made or permitted any more. Pastors set apart monetary offerings for Church maintenance, so doesn't it make sense that a pastor should go after tithes, after all, The husband man is the first partaker of the harvest.
Ultimately, bro, it is up to you, do what you know is right, life is personal. But try to advance continually by taking positive things from every opportunity. Have a nice day bro.

i am not here to hear sermons though, I just want to let you know know that your pastors are not Levites according to the scriptures.
Levite have to come from the tribe of Levi and no Nigerian pastor qualifies into that category.
Even Jesus Christ himself doesn’t and didn’t collect tithes partially for that reason according to the scriptures.

I’m not ready to read the cherrypicked version of a Nigerian Christians who doesn’t want to stop paying tithe because he has been indoctrinated by it.

KaideeGee:
I thought you were an atheist?

So you mean to tell me that you are Christian and you don’t know who Levites are?

You are going to Wikipedia when the answer is everywhere in the Bible?

No wonder lot of You easily get scammed

KaideeGee:
I thought you were an atheist?

If you read the Bible by yourself, you will become an atheist. If pastors read for you, you will remain a Christian.


Numbers 1:48-53
For the Lord had spoken to Moses, saying, “Only the tribe of Levi you shall not number, nor shall you take their census among the sons of Israel. But you shall appoint the Levites over the tabernacle of the testimony, and over all its furnishings and over all that belongs to it. They shall carry the tabernacle and all its furnishings, and they shall take care of it; they shall also camp around the tabernacle.read more.

KaideeGee:
I smile at this, bro, check Wikipedia for levite okay?

Do you have to check Wikipedia for who Levites are?
It’s in the Bible, do you read your Bible?

You Christians are funny

KaideeGee:
Please who is the levite in this case

Levites are descendants of Levi, the third son of Jacob I.e. 3rd tribe of Isreal.
Even Jesus couldn’t collect tithe because he wasn’t a descendant of Levi but Judah (fourth son of Jacob).

Yours pastors are scamming you because you don’t know your Bible. I am an atheist but I know this

gigabytes:
This is your version. Irrespective of devils work like OP can never stopped paying tithe and offering. It pays me more.

this is dogmaticism, even with evidence you still can’t change your notion.

FreeIgboho:
I already accepted the possibility. What's your point

Then move on.

Okay, let me serve my god in peace

FreeIgboho:
Mu--, stop hypocritically selectively asking for proof when nothing can be proven, including your very existence

yes, it means Flying Spaghetti Monster exist

FreeIgboho:
Could ver well exist. Who am I to say. I'm not even sure this our entire reality, including myself, is not a simulation. How hard would it be to create flying Spaghetti monster

so what’s your argument all about?

FreeIgboho:
I never said that. I sayingbtge universe is so weird anythingb8s possible. Has nothing to do with QP.
Below is what I presented about QP. One has nothing to do with double slit

Yes naw, that’s why Flying Spaghetti Monster exist

hopefulLandlord:
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the one true God. all others are manmade and impastas

there are proof FSM is real and true unlike fake gods like Yahweh, Allah etc

1. The planets are shaped like Meatballs, Only FSM can delightfully create the planets with such a shape

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/47/64/1e/47641eb05e46a6d32bbd988ca12a8c20.jpg

2. The Human DNA is shaped like Pasta, oy FSM can have delight in creating DNA in such shape too

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/c3/c7/c0/c3c7c09b1f956adf310458c038d6efe3.jpg

3. He boiled for our sins, what sacrifice could be greater?

https://www.spaghettimonster.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/Collander.jpg

4. There was a time I doubted the existence of FSM, so I decided to go down on my knees and pray to him, telling him to reveal himself to me; after a long prayer and apparently no sign, I decided that FSM isn't real after all; so I took out my headphone from my pocket to watch some videos on my Ipad, lo and behold below is the shape the headphone took

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/25/5f/55/255f557ecbd6295ac2251edd6122470b.jpg

I still wasn't convinced until I decided to make coffee, still in doubt about his existence
I poured the coffee, added milk and returned the extra coffee to the kitchen, when I got back to drink my coffee it looked like the below

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/02/14/45/0214450a026caff932b914f52fc8a7b7.jpg

5. he manifested himself to a group of divers underwater http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/08/13/diving-team-discovers-flying-spaghetti-monster-underwater/

a definitive answer as to the existence of the spaghetti monster. That's more than any of the other religions have as evidence.

He's gone to great depths to convince us.

6. pastors are leaving Christianity for Pastafarianism, example http://www.patheos.com/blogs/chorusinthechaos/mans-faith-completely-undone-due-to-flying-spaghetti-monster-argument/

7. FSM also showed himself to people over 3000 years ago

www.nairaland.com/attachments/4326788_l4f7lhdtobvxsn4un9oexdogj1lmmnzf1t5cxdchbu_jpegdfb51901474c34ae6d4a68a956d05abe

his noodliness touch our everyday lives

The claim that the above is a 3200 year old typo is preposterous. According to an expert, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is actually the God of the sun and stars. Two meatballs, spaghetti, bowl...obvious.

8. FSM was sighted off the Angolan coast

Reputable science magazine New Scientist reports that the FSM has been spotted off the Angolan coast

https://www.venganza.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/nsfsm.png

9. FSM was sighted on Mars

https://www.venganza.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/marscrabmonster.jpg

NASA released this photo of a “mystery object” on Mars spotted a few days ago. No official word on what it may be, but clearly resembles the FSM.

10. FSM spotted this Japanese manhole cover.

https://venganza.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/12ccd034d689_130F6/manholecover_thumb.jpg

11. FSM was spotted at the Olympics helping an athlete win

https://venganza.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/266b1b07c213_1601/goodseat_thumb.png

12. FSM was also spotted at a Pizzeria in Paris

https://www.venganza.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/fsm_in_paris.jpg

13. FSM also revealed himself in an art

https://www.venganza.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/image.png

spotted the FSM at the Crocker Museum in Sacramento. Though He is short one meatball in this apparition we still recognized Him by His Noodly Appendages. Ramen!


14. sighting of the FSM’s Noodly Appendages in the surf in California.

https://www.venganza.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/weeds.jpg

15. Party Girl Jewelry Sighting

https://www.venganza.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/jewelry.jpg

Basking in the florescent glow of the grocery store pasta aisle, the Flying Spaghetti Monster’s Noodley appendages shimmered like diamonds.

as we can see, he's revealing himself to people on daily basis

Is the FSM material, i.e. made of matter, i.e. made of sphagetti? Or is the spaghetti part a metaphor and actually the FSM is Pure Act in the Aristotelian sense? Or are both true at once?

These mysteries are so deep, I don't have enough faith to deny the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

The more you read about us the more you're going to be persuaded that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the true Creator and that FSMism just might be the Best. Religion. Ever. Go ahead. Try us for thirty days. If you don't like us, your old religion will most likely take you back. Unless it's the Jains, whose feelings are easily hurt.

Christians/Muslims and other fake god worshippers are just too blinded by their Impasta (Yahweh/Allah etc) that's why they can't recognise the evidence given by the one true God (FSM)

May his holy sauce open their blinded eyes, R'Amen

Freeigboho, can you read the words of wisdom here? Allow him touch you with his noodly appendages and make your life tasty like a boiled Spaghetti and grilled chicken.

Remember that he boiled for your sins, Permesan be him, Ramen.

hopefulLandlord:
if the flying spaghetti monster is not the true God then why are the planets shaped like meatballs?

Why is our nervous system also looking exactly like the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

FreeIgboho:
You keep talking what you know almost nothing about. I didn't even say anything. I only presented things as written by OTHERS. You are the only person who doesn't know that quantum mechanics defies logic?
Amazing!

But you said quantum physics proves that your reality is what you create because you exaggerated the double slit experiment, an experiment you don’t even understand.

You are talking physics like a primary 2 pupil.

FreeIgboho:
I see u like being called mumu. Point is nothing is validatable - even your existence.
Did you watch that clip?

the Mumu here is the person who doesn’t understand basic physics but claims to be a physicist

FreeIgboho:
I knew you won't know it. I told u you know nothing.
First prove u r not a figment of my imagination and save me the stress

Hoe dos that validate the existence of a god?