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FreeIgboho:
See below. I keep educating you. You must pay me o

its double slit experiment, what kind of half baked illiterate are you?

It’s simple to grasp na, matter can be observed either in particle or wave form depending on the observer or whether or not it’s been observed. Open it and read, every good physics student knows this

FreeIgboho:
No, Im.only trying to educate you that we have no way of knowing anything for sure. We go by preponderance of circumstantial evidence, including black holes, dark matter, you yourself. So stop acting like it only applies to "spiritual"!

Ok, since all circumstantial evidence matters then Flying Spaghetti Monster created Yahweh and that’s my circumstantial evidence.

I think all Christians don’t know where Yahweh really come from, Flying Spaghetti Monster sent me to the world to educate Christian on that because he cannot come by himself.

Hismasterpiece:
LOL.. You've been embarrassed and now you're turning to jokes..

Anyways..

Lemme ask you this.

If the Bible never spoke against the bad things you love doing (I'm just speculating.. Im not trying to say that you are involved in any of these things) but however..

If the Bible encouraged yahoo yahoo, sleeping with your girlfriend, telling the truth only when convenient, cheating on your wife, hitting back people who hit you, selfishness, etc..

Bottomline if the Bible totally agreed with your lifestyle would you still be agiinst it? If the Bible never challenged your choices would you still be against it?

My personal belief is that you so-called atheists (which I don't think you are.. I think you're an agnostic) don't really disbelieve in the existence of God, but just dislike Him.. Because you don't want to be told what to do by Him.. You want to do your own thing.. That's what I believe..

And this train of thought accords with scripture. If you doubt me I'd show the scriptures to you.

please embarrass me more, I am learning a lot from you.

I’m not agnostic, I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster since you convinced me and I think he created Yahweh.

You are so full of wisdom

FreeIgboho:
Do you know it is possible that we create reality with our beliefs. That's how weird things could possibly be.
Quantum physics has show that certain particles exist only when someone is watching!

You just keep talking about quantum physics like you know anything about it

Double slit experiment just shows that matter can exist as either wave or particle form depending on how it’s been observed. It doesn’t mean that you create your own reality in actual sense.

FreeIgboho:
Do you know it is possible that we create reality with our beliefs. That's how weird things could possibly be.
Quantum physics has show that certain particles exist only when someone is watching!

stop talking about quantum physics, you have no idea what’s going on there. What you are taking about is the double slit experiment on subatomic particles which depends on the observers mode of observation and a lot of lay individuals don’t know how it works. They just think what you see creates your reality.


In other word, I feel like I should create my own god and beliefs so that I can create my own reality. Whenever someone ask me for evidence which is obviously not available, I can tell them that it’s impossible to prove he doesn’t exist.

FreeIgboho:
You keep referring to my God when I'm trying to have an intellectual discussion. You are just like the ardent religionists - out to defend a viewpoint instead having an open minded discussion

Is your argument not trying to prove the possibilities of a god?
I have agreed with you but if I am going to agree that any god exist then it has to be the Flying Spaghetti Monster or I can start my own religion by creating my own god.

Does that matter to you?

FreeIgboho:
That your experience in the night doesn't prove anything. It could have been caused by a million things. Even brain neurologist have shown your brain alone can make u feel a touch without stimuli or see someone when no one is there

no, his experience was caused by the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

That’s logical enough

FreeIgboho:
You can believe whatever you like. Question is, is there circumstantial or experiential evidence to support it

Thanks for agreeing that your god is a creation of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

Hismasterpiece:
I told you of my experience in the night some years back.. Which I still can't forget till this day... That experience alerted me to the fact that there are people among us whom we can't see.

As for proving the existence of God... It doesn't need to be proven... I don't need to ascend to heaven and take a selfie with God to prove He exists..

God doesn't need proof... It already is obvious.. Look at creation.. Look at the stars.. Look at the sky.. Ponder on the vastness of the universe.. Look at yourself.. Everything screams intelligent design.. There has to be a God...

The logical question isn't whether there is a God or not but rather... Since there is a God, then what is the right way to Him? Is it Islam? Buddhism? Hinduism? Christianity?

If you can come down to that plane then we can have a sweet discussion

How can you prove that your experience that night wasn’t facilitated by he Flying Spaghetti Monster?

FreeIgboho:
So now you've been educated. I know u thought u were this logical and intellectual atheist. Now you've been taught u know NOTHING.
The same preponderance of circumstantial evidence that establishes your existence also establishes the existence of God. Neither of you can be proven for certain.
Now u know.
Ciao!

seriously I know nothing, I agree.

But I believe that your god was created by the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Do you agree?

triplechoice:
I responded to your post my friend. Cut the crap of hasty reply and take responsibility of what you ignited

Why are you agitated?

Hismasterpiece:
Ah! Why are you contradicting yourself?

I thought you said that evolution had evidence?

I think you may be confused.

Just admit you're an agnostic and say you don't know for sure rather than say you don't believe and yet can't back up your belief.

ok, you convinced me and I agree with you that evolution hasn’t been proven, so how does that become an evidence for your god?

FreeIgboho:
Point is, you can't be selectively asking for proof. Everything is based on approximation and preponderance of circumstantial evidence. There is no circumstantial evidence that unicorns exist or flying spaghetti monster

Do you agree that your god was created by the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

FreeIgboho:
Why don't you believe in evolution that is perfectly logical and has evidence to support it. Are you saying that when the universe was born human beings existed?

Whether or not I believe in evolution is still not evidence that unicorn and your god exist. You still have to provide evidence for your god if not it doesn’t exist

That’s the point

FreeIgboho:
You are the one shouting "prove to me that God exists", when in actuality nothing can be proven to exist including you yourself.
Lol, before this talk I bet you thought you knew certain things for sure. Now you have been shown you know nothing for certain.
Everything is approximation and preponderance if evidence. Even the brain u r using to think, you don't know what limitations and defects were intentionally built into it. Bottom line: you know nothing!

Ok, I don’t exist.

How does that prove that Unicorns exist?

That’s how your reasoning sounds like

Hismasterpiece:
LOL.. So you agree that evolution is improbable? Hallelujah!

So the next question if not evolution then what is the logical explanation for human existence?

Please educate me

ok, evolution hasn’t been proven and I don’t believe in it.

So how is that a plus for the existence of you imaginary friend?

Why is that not a plus for the existence of unicorns?

Hismasterpiece:
LOL..... You're running away from the question.. Classic atheist move.. Well done.

So what if evolution hasn’t been proven, how does that mean your god exist?

Can’t you see why that reasoning doesn’t make any sense?

FreeIgboho:
So prove to me that you exist outside my head. Prove it to me!

Even if I don’t, it’s not evidence that your god exist.

Don’t you get it, because A doesn’t exist is not evidence that B does.

Hismasterpiece:
You've still not answered my question about evolution o..

You are scientifically illiterate, that’s why I won’t discusss Science with you.

If you have any thing you want to know about evidence I can teach you. Don’t come and ask bogus questions like someone that didn’t pass elementary science.

FreeIgboho:
How can you actually "test" anything when you don't know the true nature of things. Prove to me that you exist. You can't even do that. Bottom line, everything is an approximation, preponderance of evidence. Don’t scapegoat religion because everything you think you know for sure is also susceptible to doubt!

It doesn’t exist, you are just trying to cover it because you dogmatic and don’t like evidence

triplechoice:
You didn't present it has a solution to all of live problems. But when your audience are people who are looking in that direction, what do you expect?

In any case, I rather you addressed the things I said against your seeming advantage you claim you have over the theist. I said they don't exist.

Atheist experience even far more worries which I mentioned.

They are not mentally free as you think.

They are not free from biases and can also suffer from cognitive dissonance.

You have not disproven any of those and so where is the advantage?

The thread wasn’t mean to disprove anything.

Are you following at all?

Calm down and don’t be in a haste to reply

FreeIgboho:
What is he saying? My friend I mean, you have NO WAY of knowing if reality exists exclusively and entirely inside your head!

i think you are arguing because you have no evidence.

I won’t accept it if I can’t test it. It’s as simple as that

Hismasterpiece:
Ogbeni answer my question jare

Why?

Have you answered any question of mine?

Just provide evidence for god and stop trying to argue endlessly.

FreeIgboho:
That's the point, we have no way of knowing the true nature of reality, so you can't go about saying God does not exist. YOU DON'T KNOW!!

How do you think I don’t know the true nature of reality when even every illiterate in villages have the default setting of accepting god?

People in the hinterland who don’t even know basic biology think like you that gods exist. I think you should check you definition if reality

Kids who can’t even think for themselves think gods exist. How is that reality?

Hismasterpiece:
... Says the atheist that got his worldvirw from the internet..

SOrry, my worldview is because you didn’t provide evidence.

I am sorry, we have to test it before we accept it.

Hismasterpiece:
You know that the evolution theory is just that... A THEORY.

It has never been proven and never can be proven.

Lemme ask you a question. Since humans evolved from monkeys why do monkeys still exist? If humans evolved why haven't we evolved further?

I sure would like to evolve from being 6ft to being 20ft.. I sure would like to evolve from being mortal to being immortal..

Why hasn't evolution happened since the purported original evolution?

You know in the book written by Charles Darwin after talking about the evolution theory he spends the last chapters of the book doubting his own insinuations right?

So please answer my question.

I have a masters in biochemistry, you want to teach me theory of evolution?

FreeIgboho:
So spirituality is no result at all? How about all these people testifying everyday about miracles and how their lives were tandformed? Explain placebo effect, Mr. Proof

So why haven’t they proven it’s consistency by allow people to test it. Those are claims that hasn’t been tested and hence can’t be called evidence
just go and win one of the multimillion dollar bounties?

FreeIgboho:
My friend, but you haven't provided evidence that God doesn't exist either. You should say "I don't know" and stop there. You have just been shown that NOTHING can be proven to exist including you yourself yet u r still arguing
As for quantum physics, see below

Tel me the law of physics that was disobeyed.

Let’s see how knowledgeable you are about this topic and even it it disobeyed it. In science we accept new evidence, whether or not we like.

If it disobeyed so what’s the problem with that? We follow the new evidence and discard whatever we knew.

Learn to do that

FreeIgboho:
My friend, but you haven't provided evidence that God doesn't exist either. You should say "I don't know" and stop there. You have just been shown that NOTHING can be proven to exist including you yourself yet u r still arguing
As for quantum physics, see below

You have shallow knowledge of what you are talking about.

What law of physics was disobeyed?

Learn to read stuffs through and don’t believe whatever you read online. It makes you gullible.

FreeIgboho:
My bros u have it mixed up. Consistency of result is not proof. Just as your waking up everyday does not prove that you exist. Once you accept that you have no way of knowing anything for sure then. "proof" is ridiculous. Explain the below:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVhiwceUpk8

Proof is mathematical

Consistency of result means it’s reliable.

No result at all like spirituality means it’s can’t be trusted. Provide one line of consistent result then see me change my mind

Hismasterpiece:
Isn't existence evidence enough?

When you see the stars, the moon, the sky, creation in general doesn't common sense tell you that it is somebody that put all those things there?

existence is the evidence that my parents mates and fertilization occurred without the interference of a god.

Human existence is attached to the evidence that we evolved from preexisting organisms, no evidence that a god was involved.

The stars are evidence that molecules can coalesce in space at tremendous gravity to start nuclear fusion reactions, it has been studied and no one saw a god involved.

Everyone always think their opinion is common sense that’s why Christianity has thousands of doctrines and contradicts each other. Only testable evidence reveals the true sense.

triplechoice:
You're mistaken .I don't subscribe to any religion or is certain about the existence of any God or gods

My previous reply was not to argue the existence of any God. Please provide any evidence if you think I did.

I am not interested in such arguments. I only wanted to let you see that you're presenting atheism has a panacea for all of live problems so that people can get involved or subscribe to it.

The same strategy employed by certain religious groups to get converts is the same you're using and I think it is deception when you lie to people so they join your group.

Atheist are regarded as honest people who try to tell it as it is .

I didn’t present atheism as a panacea for all life problems, you misconstrued my stance.
There’s never a time when atheism is going the only solution to the global problems. I only mentioned advantages of being an atheist over theism.

I think you shouldn’t have replied my post in a haste.