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LordReed:
LoLz. Reinforces why I no longer care so much about labels. Here is someone who agrees with my stance but because I use a different label from what he would like calls me confused. LMFAO!

Dude, learn to read beyond labels, you'd have an easier time of life

it's pure science, we don't believe or disbelieve. We don't choke on it.
Evidence decides. We strictly base all on it.
Atheism is not scientific. Sorry bro

Credibility. What's the difference between civilian rigged election and military coup d'etat. You rigged an election in guise of democracy and you're talking about military coup.

You have lost all moral stands to criticize any illigality because your resumption as a present is illegitimate and the whole world can see it. That's why the military in Niger are talking your statement with a pinch of salt

Depriest2020:
They just disrespected Tinubu. No cause for alarm, Tinubu will deal with them at the appropriate time.

Tinubu cannot do anything.
You cannot interfere directly in other sovereignty, unless you want make US and EU come interfere for our own rigged elections

ahnie:
He go come use the same mouth use take kiss person .ewwwwww

yes na, you no go know na 👌

elated177:
No, workch, I didn't skip physics classes. I am a physicist.

Are you are afraid of this line of discourse?

Just answer my questions.

don't ask me silly questions. If you studied physics then why are you asking me how thunder works

ReacherSaidNoth:
Jesus Christ this guy

Skepticism does not negate belief or non-belief. Answering that question honestly will sweep you off your weak foundation so I understand your need to run .

Continue your bullheaded ignorance with others who have the patience for it. I'm out.

I don't believe or disbelieve aliens either.
I don't believe or disbelieve wormholes or multiverses either.

It's strictly scientific, I will wait for the evidence for or against. No beliefs or disbelief.

Atheism is not scientific, we don't believe in science.

What is it about beliefs and disbeliefs that you guys choke on when you can just wait for evidence for or against?

LordReed:
This is the same person that said I was confused when I said the same thing. Bwahahahaha!

it's how science works. No beliefs, wait for evidence.
I don't believe or disbelieve aliens either.

Onitsha is not even in the top 3 most beautiful cities in southeast.
Enugu, Owerri, Abakaliki are way more beautiful

ChimaAdeoye:
Soludo is doing a fantastic job to rebuild Anambra cities! I hope he does not relent until the final liveable cities are achieved in Anambra.

It has been long overdue to have real urban renewal in Anambra urban centers to make them habitable and beautiful. The whole thing looks unimpressive now, but if Soludo keeps to his promise to sustain these projects until all these roads and projects are achieved, he would have performed a miracle in transforming Anambra cities from their present chaotic, unplanned, & congested nature into well-planned, attractive and progressive cities that generate wealth.

Kudos to Soludo! The Solution!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBDgEj6nup8

you Anambra people celebrate mediocrity a lot.
Your cities are still far from modern.
No city in southeast is modern, however the best cities in southeast are still Enugu and Anambra.
I know you guys argue a lot, but e no concern me

Emusan:
That's human philosophy which isn't entirely correct!

Spirituality can't be tested because it's beyond the material world yet many trust it.



You can't test miracles from God.

I believe you have heard many of such miracles, just search for one and test it.

you an test miracles, we have tested miracles and almost of them are negative. It's why we don't bother testing them again.

Miralce are always lies when they are subjected to scientific scrutiny.

Emusan:
I don't get your point here!



Well, you can't test miracles from God because it's never from Man.

Though many Theists as regards traditional religions claimed theirs can be tested.

anything that cant be tested should not be trusted.

I can test it, show me any miracle claim, if we investigate it, we will ee if it's true or not. It's testable

elated177:
Workch, how do you think thunder works? Would you say that thunder was created?

Did you skip basic class in physics? It was thought in ss1, go bck to secondary physics textbook

ReacherSaidNoth:
Do you or do you not believe in a god? Note, I'm not asking you if you know or don't. A belief question not a knowledge one.

I don't believe or disbelieve it. In 100% skeptical

Emusan:
Well you can't test Theists claim using scientific methods.

Theists claims are based on MIRACLES which means beyond natural processes and anything that beyond natural processes is beyond human comprehension.

If there should be a Creator called God then He should be the one who will tell us how to find Him and not us suggesting a way to discover Him.

anything that can't be tested should be trusted. It's prone to bais, fraud and manipulation.

I can test miracles, if you claim you can perform miralces, we can test it

jaephoenix:
Humor me. Just answer the question and you'll understand

the question is a non sequitur

KnownUnknown:
This is just rubbish and I don’t think you are even smart or educated enough to realize it.

lol 😂
Atheists actually reason like theists in the opposite direction

KnownUnknown:
What about the deistic Goddess question?

do you understand what a deistic god means?
It's a god claim by deist based on caused and effect, they argue that this universe cannot start on its own and since evidence suggest that gods don't interfere via miracles or revelation, it means something must have started everything and that something does not interfere.

How does this even compare to sango?

Two things:
1. The universe cannot start on its own
2. The thing that started the universe does not interfere henceforth.

We have evidence for number 2, we do not have evidence for or against number 1. We need evidence against number 1 to prove that such thing is nonsense. We cannot call it nonsense if we don't know how the universe started actually

LordReed:
Abeg rest.

lol

LordReed:
And you don't know the difference between non belief and disbelief. Go educate yourself.

I do, I know the difference.
It's the opposite side of same coin If evidence does not exist either ways.

Atheism and Theism are both flawed

KnownUnknown:
I don’t have to disprove anything. You make an extraordinary or nonsensical claim and I reject it outright. I don’t have to say anything but call it nonsense and it’s up to you to prove it. However, I KNOW FOR A FACT that you have no evidence and can’t prove anything because your claims are nonsense. I also know it’s utter nonsense because I can make the same wild claims and would consider you gullible or stupid for entertaining the possibility that it’s not total bullshit.

in science, it's necessary to disprove a claim with evidence before you reject it. I know you re an atheist, so we know atheism is not scientific.

Bla bla bla. Stop referring to science.




You don’t have an example of a leprechaun creating gods
You don’t have an example of a leprechaun not creating gods either

I have not seen a leprechaun creating gods, I don't see how that matters here.

LordReed:
Because I do not believe.

lol, you are confuse

paxonel:
have you ever seen a sick man healed miraculously before?

No I haven't, but I have seen people make numerous claims of it.
If I see a pastor heal an HIV patient that I tested by myself, I will believe in miralces, if not I will be a fool to believe it because I saw it on TV

KnownUnknown:
You can’t demystify it because nonsense is nonsense. You can’t make it clearer, you can’t simplify it, you can’t make it less vague because it’s nonsense.

it's not nonsense until you disprove it. Like with evidence of how the universe started and a creator was not involved else it remains a possibility.

This is not science. Making wild claims without evidence is not science. Wtf?

in science, we make claims without evidence a lot, it's called hypothesis. Don't you know how science works?
Albert Einstein general theory of relativity was a claim for Years until proven with evidence.
Albert Einstein static universe hypothesis was a claim that we disproved with evidence.
The difference with science, is that while so many claims exist, we only make the ones we have evidence for a fact and never become close minded to those we don't have evidence for or against yet. That's why atheism is flawed and not scientific until we truly demystify deism.



[quote"]I don’t recall any atheists saying atheism is scientific!



Your claims are not science!

Don’t avoid these:
Give an example of this god “creating” anything.

Give an an example of how this god “creates”.[/quote]give me an example of a god not creating everything?

I don't have example of a god creating everything, I don't have example for a god not creating everything either.

KnownUnknown:
What evidence “disproves” them but doesn’t “disprove” the deistic god?

Is this deistic god your god?

we have scientific fact that a human can not cause thunder, it's a fact. We don't have scientific fact as to whatever start or how the universe started. It's why a diestic God question remains very open

LordReed:
No, I do not.

if you don't disbelieve the existence of a god then how are you any kind of atheist?

KnownUnknown:
When you realize your delusions you will know that amadioha, sango, and yahweh are as real as your deistic god.
“Demystifying” lol

They are not the same as deistic god. We can easily disprove those with evidence.
We cannot disprove a deistic god

KnownUnknown:
What’s so special about the theistic or deistic claim that you can’t outrightly reject it?

What evidence do they have of this creator?

What kind of “evidence against it” do you require?

Do you treat all baseless claims like this?

nonody has been able to demystify a deistic god. Not even atheists.

Why should they present counter-evidence to something that is nonsensical or without evidence?

Don’t avoid these:
Give an example of this god “creating” anything.

Give an an example of how this god “creates”.

you should present a counter evidence because that's how science works.
It's why atheism is not scientific.
In science, once a scientist makes a hypothesis, it's really not necessarily the scientist that needs to validate it.
An example is the darwinian theory of evolution, Darwin made numerous observations and created a hypothesis, Darwin did not necessarily provide testable evidence for it. It was years after he died that other scientists validated it.
Lamarck didn't provide any evidence for his lamarckian hypothesis, scientists were testing his hypothesis for Years and then disproved it with evidence from darwin theory.

jaephoenix:
You see a chicken inside your bedroom. You didn't keep it there and your door was locked tight by you. I walk up to you and tell you that the chicken was sent by your village peeps. Would you believe me? Yes or no

How does this relate to the question of a god?

Dont you think that you are confused here?

Maynman:
Your own definition of “God”? 😂😂😂

We don’t have many concepts of “God”, god is an English word that means what is “libates upon”.

Your own definition of god 😂😂

There are many concept of gods, depending on one's delusions. It's why we have amadioha, sango, yahweh etc with different attributes. I don't care about these guys.

I'm interested in demystifying the deistic god. Should I tell you bout it so you can be a bit foucs?

jaephoenix:
I decided to look up the word god for perspective and clarity.

1. (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
2.
(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshipped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.
"a moon god"

I noticed you took up the Abrahamic definition, which makes me think you still have some theist thoughts lingering around.

get me right. So you don't go around what I am not really arguing for.

I don't care about all concept of gods, I don't care about the Christian God or Thor or zeus. If it's about these gods, I will be an atheists.

The particular God that is making me an agnostic is the deistic god. If you can not address this particular type of God, then you may not get anything from this argument. Whatever you say may not be relevant to me

jaephoenix:
Aha! Here we go
1. What if 'god' is actually a tiny and weak entity that cannot create any being?
2. Cant you see your theist background is influencing your definition of this 'god'?

My definition of God is something that created everything. We have so many concepts of God that are not creators, but I'm not interested in them. I'm interested in that one that is capable of creating everything.

Stay on that topic

KnownUnknown:
What makes you think anything “created” us.

Give an example of this god “creating” anything.

Give an an example of how this god “creates”.

I don't think anything created us. I'm agnostic.
Theists think so, since I don't have evidence against it yet, I cannot outrightly reject it, especially the deistic concept.

I think that anyone who should reject it should clearly demonstrate to us with a counterevidence.