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Don't create state police. Our governors will mess it up.

Look at what Wike did in rivers state

LordReed:
That is not the issue. Anybody is free to speculate however when it comes to the likelihood of finding evidence that is when that gap begins to be significant. If aliens or wormholes exist, they exist within parameter we can find.

Does it mean that because you are incapable of finding something, so that thing does not exist?

The subject matter is not about whether we can find it, the issue here is irrespective of whether we can find it or not, does it mean that it does or does not exist. If something is becoming difficult for you to grasp, just say that "you don't know" and let it end there.

The existence of a creator is a big conundrum even for science, science thinks that it's impossible to know. Because when you find a creator, you have to find infinite amount of creators or find how that creator created itself. Just say that you don't know.

LordReed:
Atheists are not proposing anything about the start of the universe, get that straight.

no one is even proposing anything, not even the scientists but atheists assume that the universe and everything started on its own since they don't believe in a creator.
That's wrong because no one knows for sure

Childfree:
My bad, I thought you are a deist. You would have just ignored the questions.

I don't have to be a deist to answer your questions. I use to be an atheist, but the moment I realize that deism is hard to disprove and that we may never be able to disprove deism, I realized that Atheism is wrong and agnosticism is the best answer.

FuckSilly:
Most x tain fools, hypocrites and real terrorists will still come here to say trash.

They have serious problem at respecting people's culture, way of life and stance.

A X tian can make fun of her religion by acting as a cporn star nun and absolutely nothing will happen. Muslims don't tolerate that and if you find that hard to understand, Fucƙ up first publicly with YOUR REAL IDENTITY, and not all these social media bluffing and see how you're made to learn your lessons - THE HARD WAY.

you and Mohammad are crazy.
E no go better for Mohammad. Do your worst.

I'm not Deborah, Awon werey

This muslim people are mad o

HisSplendor:
Theism is not flawed. It's only flawed for those who refuse to dig deeper. You can't scratch a surface and reach conclusions on what lies in the depth beneath. Theism involves digging but many don't dig enough. If you dig enough, you'll find.

Theism is so flawed that it's more flawed than atheism.
Theism in flawed both from Philosophical and scientific standpoint. It's very flawed that it cannot prove Philosophically if their gods exist, it still cannot provide scientific evidence for its claims.
Theism is a bunch of fallacies by default.
Theism is so flawed that no sane person should be a theist, especially theism that is associated with religion. Religion is an organized fraud in its entirety.

Theism is so ridiculous that it didn't dig anything but creates ridiculous things frm thin air

LordReed:
Except you seem not to be taking into consideration that there is a massive gulf between those 2 categories. A 13billion year gulf.

13billion of big bang doesn't tell how everything started, it only explains how our current perception of reality with respect to spacetime started expanding from singularity.
The appearance of singularity which was an infinite dense matter that contained everything that is in the universe today cannot be explained by science. Science does not know, atheists don't know, nobody knows.

Deists, atheists and theists are just rationalizing their own personal opinions, they don't know anything.

Childfree:
Workch quick questions please.

Curious what is the deist god, It's Characteristics/features and why so. And please where or how did you come about this knowledge?

I don't know, but generally deist agree that this god does not interfere in the proceedings on the universe. I think it's characterisric is unknown. They also argue from ignorance just like atheists: they argue that universe cannot start itself, the opposite of what atheists propose.

Secondly, I just took a big dump, of course we can't possibly say it is the dump that creates the universe or not since we don't have enough evidence for or against it. Is this what you are insinuating?

we don't know what created the universe, we don't even know if the universe was created it not. Atheists and theists should just agree that we don't know.

Lastly, why can't the deist god be the religious god?

Because deism is not an organized sect, where people come together to do rituals and worship a deity. In religion, people worship deities, deists don't. They are usually apathetic to the God, they don't think that it should be worshipped since it doesn't manipulate the universe to Favour anyone.

LordReed:
You are shifting goal posts. You asked about aliens and wormholes. Besides you shifted the goalpost to the worst thing you could have selected. The origins of the universe is probably something we will never be certain about since it occurred billions of years ago. If that is where you are locating your god then it is as good as useless since it not something we can know so why bother.

The origin of the universe that we may never is the basis upon which some agnostic reach the conclusion that we may never know if a creator or God exist.
There's nothing wrong with that.
Because you cannot know if it exist doesn't mean that it doesn't ot it knows.
We may also never know if a wormhole or aliens exist because of how vast the universe is.

KnownUnknown:
Oh yeah?. How did you work out those odds?

availability fo evidence is the odd. The moment to find evidence for or against, it all changes

Oh yeah? Based on your calculations, what are the odds that nothing started anything that started something that started everything?

availability of evidence for or against. The probability that a flying reindeer without wings exist is zero, gravity is the evidence against it.

There is nothing to sway and you are making ignorant arguments based on your indoctrination.


While agnosticism is utterly confused.

indoctrination is having to knowledge about a thing and still make conclusions about it. Do you have knowledge about the origin of everything? The answer is No

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KnownUnknown:
I’ll let an atheist answer this barrage of nonsense.

lol
It's fact, atheists cannot substantiate their conclusions using demonstrable evidence for or against.

They are as flawed as theists. Smart people don't jump into conclusions when knowledge is insufficient.

KnownUnknown:
No, because aliens are beings that probably exist in the universe. To them we would be the “aliens”. Given the vastness of the universe, there is nothing extraordinary about the probable existence of aliens.

Wormholes are hypothetical ways to travel in the universe based on current theories of the “fabric” of spacetime.

The probability that aliens exist is 50:50 currently.

The probability that something started everything is also 50:50.

Only evidence can sway the balance, of you are on the other side of this balanace, you are making a conclusion out of ignorance. Atheism is as flawed as theism

Flathead8:
Yes I will. Your entitled to your opinion

Then all shit goes. No wonder the useless country is not working

LordReed:
The difference being these are things that can have a clear path to procuring evidence for them, not so for a deistic god.

There's also no clear path to procuring evidence that the everything started on its own.

The chances that universe started on its own and it didn't is still 50:50. So why in a haste to reach a conclusion that something which could be what deist refer as a creator started it?

It chance that aliens exist is still also 50:50. Only evidence can sway this balance.

KnownUnknown:
What is deism if not theism without the dogma and doctrines of religion. It’s the same old nonsensical claims that can be summarily dismissed.

deism is theism but not religion. Hope you dig that.
All theistic beliefs are not religious in nature.
Religion is an organized sect that performs repetitive rituals to a diety, in deism, no one, necessarily need to worship or revere any deity.

If you say so. Atheists are those who can’t quite dismiss the concept of gods. An atheist usually holds on to the concept of god from whatever tradition he was indoctrinated into.

No, an atheist is someone who doesn't see an evidence for the existence of a god/creator hence he rejects it utterly without even making attempt to find evidence against it to wait for an evidence against it.

An atheist can be likened to someone who says aliens do not exist because there's no evidence that they do. Of course this person is a stupiddd person, he should have just waited for us to explore further, knowing fully well that we do not even understand anything yet.

An atheist is like someone who takes a cup of water from the ocean and then concludes that fishes don't exist. An atheist does not really know how everything started, but he's concluding that nothing started it because we have no evidence for or against yet. It does not make sense.

Atheist are straightforward and flawed thinkers, they cannot recognized the fact that what we don't know is way more than what we currently know. They are close minded already when we can just agree that we don't know, it's why I think it's a silly way of reasoning.

MayntheeMayn:
You are not making sense bro.

I want you to know that the “A lack of evidence is not absesne of evidence” coined by carl sagan doesn’t mean the jargons you are saying.

The actual quote by Carl Sagan appears in his book The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark and is part of a discussion of various logical fallacies (in this case, the “appeal to ignorance” fallacy):

Appeal to ignorance—the claim that whatever has not been proved false must be true, and vice versa (e.g., There is no compelling evidence that UFOs are not visiting the Earth; therefore UFOs exist—and there is intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe. Or: There may be seventy kazillion other worlds, but not one is known to have the moral advancement of the Earth, so we're still central to the Universe.) This impatience with ambiguity can be criticized in the phrase: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Using Sagan’s examples as a guide, the closest statement one could make with regard to the existence of God is that it’s fallacious to claim that a lack of any evidence that God doesn’t exist is evidence that God actually does exist.

okay, I agree with you

MayntheeMayn:
The philosopher and mathematician Betrand Russell waded in on the argument. He used the example of a ‘cosmic teapot’ to illustrate his point. He said that, even though it could not be refuted, no one should believe him if he claimed, without proof, that a tiny teapot was orbiting the sun between Earth and Mars (Boncheck, 2016).

In similar vein, Martin Burton, Director of Cochrane UK, wrote that an invisible unicorn had been grazing in his office and invited readers to prove him wrong

I agree with whatever you say, leave me alone

MayntheeMayn:
Why do you need to believe aliens or warmholes exist?
If you can know something, why believe it?
The people that called it “hypothesis” are not stupid.

I don't want to engage you dude. You like unending and uneducative arguments

KnownUnknown:
I did say a deistic god has to take a human form
I said “ I also know that your deistic god will be defined as some vague superhuman character whose description is totally dependent on your prior religious indoctrination and your vocabulary.”

deism is not a religion. You have to understand deism before you argue against it.

it doesn’t matter whether you call it deistic god or theistic god, it all depends on your imagination.

atheism also is an imagination because it doesn't have evidence either for its claims that a creator cannot exist. It depends on lack of evidence which is a fallacy of appealing to ignorance.

A lack of evidence for something is not absense of evidence, that's why atheism is flawed.
A lack of evidence for a creator is not absence of evidence for it. Just like warmholes and aliens

KnownUnknown:
Yes, I do. It’s the same amount of information that I have that the monster under your bed does not exist.

does this information also apply to aliens and warmholes?

Flathead8:
Respect people's opinion, I'm sure you have opinions too that you want ppl to respect

your opinon is shit and cannot be respected.
Will you respect my opinon if I insist that 1+2 is 5?

BItt:
hello friends, i am wondering what business i can start with 50k that wont affect my job much.
I have never done a business in the real sense before., please can you kindly suggest what business that is capable of growth

50k is small o

dboY1123:
After all my challenges in the past one year, I think I have to relocate and leave my comfort zone.
I can teach and also work in any part of the job provided the work is clean or not fetish.
I am a graduate, I finished last year but I need a job..

My business is not moving like before and I need to support my family. I am not married.
I can commute or relocate depends on the Job and if there is accommodation.
I am religious and hardworking, I also learn very fast so I can fit in easily.

I don't know how to search for jobs, because all the applications I have been submitting online is futile.

Any idea on how I can start job hunting in Lagos, and I would be immensely grateful if you can help me out.

what business are you into?

Nice2023:
Make una dey argue.


While u guys are arguing I am working on making more money and probably invest more.

I have an investment idea.
Can I pitch to you?

Governor Alex Otti’s government says an innovation park and a modular refinery will be established in Abia to accelerate economic development.


Information commissioner Okey Kanu stated that plans were underway to build the park and refinery. Mr Kanu disclosed this during a news conference on the outcome of the State Executive Council at the Government House, Umuahia.

He said the decision to embark on the project was informed by the resolve of Mr Otti to fulfil his campaign promises to the people of Abia. The commissioner added that the initiative would provide an avenue for the Abia government to address the issue of youth unemployment.

“A lot of investors are showing strong interest to partner government to establish the innovation park. The park will house an incubation centre. Those involved in manufacturing, logistics, power, modular refinery will form part of this park,” the commissioner explained.

On payment of pensions, he said that the government was committed to resolving all hitches. Mr Kanu added that the Abia government was making efforts to ensure payment of 100 per cent pension to pensioners. He, however, apologised to pensioners over the shortfall in the June payment and attributed the shortfall to the historical method adopted by the past administration.......




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Flathead8:
Because you have made caricature, satire and parody out of your religion, doesn't mean Muslims have to tow the same path!

Southern Christians have constantly made skits mocking and slandering Jesus Christ to show the West that they are woke and exposed, what a blasphemy!

You wish you had the same connection and affection towards God, but your too civilised for that

all Muslims are asking is to respect their religion just like how you will like to be respected

Whadafuk is with religion that Nigerians smoke.
Are you people daft in this country?

KnownUnknown:
I have more than enough information to know that your deistic god is a nonsensical figment of your imagination.

I also know that your deistic god will be defined as some vague superhuman character whose description is totally dependent on your prior religious indoctrination and your vocabulary.

You in particular are still suffering from the notions found in Hebrew mythology and “Nobel lie”.

You see, that's it. How did you know that a deistic god has to take a human form?

How did you arrive at that conclusion?
What information do you have with respect to that?

KnownUnknown:
Theist: believes in a particular nonsense
Atheist: does not believe in a particular nonsense
Agnostic: believes he doesn’t have enough information to believe or not believe in a particular nonsense (they seem to be confused theists who define their nonsense as “unknowable”)

For various reasons, especially indoctrination, all seem incapable of calling nonsense what it is. Nonsense

Do you have enough info to decide that a deistic god does not exist?

IconicR:
What's the difference between an agnostic and an atheist

agnostics don't say God doesn't exist. We just don't know if he exist or not because of lack of sufficient knowledge.
Particularly for me, I know the Christian God is fake, but there is a particular kind of God that I do not have sufficient information to be able to disprove.
I don't do it in secrecy, all my friends and family know this.

In a saner clime, no one gives a fuckkkk about it, only in Africa where most people are demented that religion becomes a problem

IconicR:
I don't take any atheist seriously, anything you do in secrecy is not worth doing. Atheism is mostly an online thing, most of them have a special sit in their respective churches. Even your Nairaland owner is Adeboye pikin. Be deceiving yourselves.

I am agnostic, and I don't do it in secrecy. Most atheist practice atheism in secrecy because Africa is still very backward and fill of religious morons who may even hurt them.

In saner climes with less brainless religious people, atheists are very vocal