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HisSplendor:
Neither am I one of those morons who share in your delusional ideologies.

I can't also make you feel the flying spaghetti monster. He exist and I know this because you have not dig enough.

I also think that the flying spaghetti monster is the creator of yahweh, the Christian God. I can make you feel this
The evidence for flying spaghetti monster is below

HisSplendor:
No, I can make you feel it. You'll be touching a world from another world. You'll need to follow the rules for exploration.

Do you think I'm one of those morons you talk to in your sunday school? 😂

HisSplendor:
We already won something much more valuable. Something really tangible and everlasting. Who cares for a perishable prize in Sweden?

Those things only exist in your feeble mind, you cannot substantiate it to me or any other person that don't believe in your fiction

LordReed:
You are making a baseless claim and asking me to provide evidence against what is already a baseless claim.

The claim is not baseless, it would be baseless if you know how the singularity that expanded into our current universe got there.
If you do not have answer for this, then the claim is one of the hypotheses that needs to be falsified, especially the deistic claim.

An hypothesis is never baseless until it has been falsified. A deistic concept of god is yet to be falsified unlike what you have in Christianity.

LordReed:
Good so how does that label not apply to me?

Exactly. You go a step further though and instead of waiting for evidence you are giving the god attributes. You are like a person claiming that aliens are tall and have blue eyes before seeing any evidence to that claim.

nope, theists are like the people who try to describe an alien that they don't know exist.

For me, i dont know if aliens exist or not and I don't believe or believe it. If it does exist, I don't know the nature of it and I even think that we may never know it it exist or not and it doesn't play any significant role in my life. That's scientific.

Agnosticism is of the essence of science, whether ancient or modern. It simply means that a man shall not say he knows or believes/disbelieves that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe/disbelieve. It is why atheism is not scientific

HisSplendor:
That's your perspective. I'm not here to engage anyone too. Just wanted to tell you that your current assumptions are based on your lack of digging.

Then dig yours, you will win a novel prize in Sweden if you can substantiate your digging. You know why you ot anyone haven't won it? Because most god claims are delusions and sane people know this

HisSplendor:
That's because you were relying on others for your digging. Dig for yourself. Make your own finds.

spare me all these nonsense.

I'm not here to engage religious people who are chronically ill at are making shit up

LordReed:
Who is an atheist?

Why do I need to believe in the existence or not of aliens?

An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in the existence of any God.

That's the point, you do not have to believe in the existence or not of aliens. You just have to wait for evidence for to against it to come. This also applies to the concept of a god that you cannot substantiate or invalidate with evidence like a deistic god.

LordReed:
Nope. I don't know if a god does exist. All the human proposed gods have no evidence however there might be gods we have not conceived of.

Let me allow you understand my argument better.

My stance with respect to the existence of God has to do with evidence for or against any concept of God hence if we have a God claim, before you can outrightly validate or dismiss that God, you need an evidence for or against that claim. This is basically how science works.
Now, the Christian God for example can be easily dismissed by scientific methods, in essence, we have evidence against the Christian concept of God, which is why I reject it. But we do not have evidence against a deistic concept of god, it's why I cannot outrightly reject or accept it.

Deist and atheists are those who are on the opposing ends of this argument. Deists are suppose to provide evidence for, atheists are suppose to provide evidence against but none of them have evidence.

Why do you think science is agnostic? It's because science cannot produce evidence for or against a deistic god.

LordReed:
I don't disbelieve that a god might exist.

I don't know if aliens exist.

So if you do not disbelieve that a god might exist and you don't believe it either, then how are you an atheist?
Agnostic atheists usually don't believe in any god but they still do not know if it exist or not.

If you don't know if aliens exist, then do you believe it does it not?

LordReed:
I don't know if a creator exists or not. I have no evidence to sway me towards believing in such a thing.

tyou don't have to believe gravity, it is accepted as fact because it's demonstrable.

What you would have said is that "you do not accept the existence of a god because of lack of evidence".

LordReed:
I don't know if a creator exists or not. I have no evidence to sway me towards believing in such a thing.

We are not too far from each other.
For me, i don't know if a creator exist or not and I don't believe or disbelieve it either. This is because when it comes to the issue of belief or disbelief, it doesn't work with evidence.

People don't believe evidence, people accept it. Evidence is not a matter of belief or disbelief, this is why I think atheism is not scientific.

LordReed:
Where have I said a god does not exist? I do not believe in any god I didn't say a god does not exist. I am an agnostic atheist so it is you who is wrong in making assumptions about what I think.

one what ground do you disbelieve the existence of at least one God?

Do you believe that aliens exist or not?

LordReed:
Again that is not correct since atheism DOES NOT address the issue. What any atheist assumes about the origins of the universe is a personally held assumption and not a feature of atheism so you cannot say "atheists assume that the universe and everything started on its own since they don't believe in a creator".

Okay, answer the question.
As an atheist, do you agree that a creator exist or not?

LordReed:
No but what it means is it's groundless, in my view, to construct an identity around what is essentially baseless speculation. Yes say you don't know and end it instead of inserting an imaginary character and imbue it with attributes.

I agree with you that it's groundless, but it doesn't mean that you will assert that it doesn't exist.

There's an aspect of agnosticism called apathetic Agnosticism: they are of the opinion that the existence of God is unknown or unknowable or both and that even if God exist, it's immaterial and God may not even be interested in creating anything. To them, it's immaterial, I think I agree with them.
There's also apathetic deism, they think God exist but as he exist, it's immaterial because he cannot directly influence anything.

If you say you don't know and the it's ends there, you are an agnostic.
If you say you don't know and then says it does not exist, then you re are atheist. You are wrong, you cannot say it doesn't exist when you actually do not know.

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LordReed:
That is not the issue. Anybody is free to speculate however when it comes to the likelihood of finding evidence that is when that gap begins to be significant. If aliens or wormholes exist, they exist within parameter we can find.

Does it mean that because you are incapable of finding something, so that thing does not exist?

The subject matter is not about whether we can find it, the issue here is irrespective of whether we can find it or not, does it mean that it does or does not exist. If something is becoming difficult for you to grasp, just say that "you don't know" and let it end there.

The existence of a creator is a big conundrum even for science, science thinks that it's impossible to know. Because when you find a creator, you have to find infinite amount of creators or find how that creator created itself. Just say that you don't know.

LordReed:
Atheists are not proposing anything about the start of the universe, get that straight.

no one is even proposing anything, not even the scientists but atheists assume that the universe and everything started on its own since they don't believe in a creator.
That's wrong because no one knows for sure

Childfree:
My bad, I thought you are a deist. You would have just ignored the questions.

I don't have to be a deist to answer your questions. I use to be an atheist, but the moment I realize that deism is hard to disprove and that we may never be able to disprove deism, I realized that Atheism is wrong and agnosticism is the best answer.

FuckSilly:
Most x tain fools, hypocrites and real terrorists will still come here to say trash.

They have serious problem at respecting people's culture, way of life and stance.

A X tian can make fun of her religion by acting as a cporn star nun and absolutely nothing will happen. Muslims don't tolerate that and if you find that hard to understand, Fucƙ up first publicly with YOUR REAL IDENTITY, and not all these social media bluffing and see how you're made to learn your lessons - THE HARD WAY.

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HisSplendor:
Theism is not flawed. It's only flawed for those who refuse to dig deeper. You can't scratch a surface and reach conclusions on what lies in the depth beneath. Theism involves digging but many don't dig enough. If you dig enough, you'll find.

Theism is so flawed that it's more flawed than atheism.
Theism in flawed both from Philosophical and scientific standpoint. It's very flawed that it cannot prove Philosophically if their gods exist, it still cannot provide scientific evidence for its claims.
Theism is a bunch of fallacies by default.
Theism is so flawed that no sane person should be a theist, especially theism that is associated with religion. Religion is an organized fraud in its entirety.

Theism is so ridiculous that it didn't dig anything but creates ridiculous things frm thin air

LordReed:
Except you seem not to be taking into consideration that there is a massive gulf between those 2 categories. A 13billion year gulf.

13billion of big bang doesn't tell how everything started, it only explains how our current perception of reality with respect to spacetime started expanding from singularity.
The appearance of singularity which was an infinite dense matter that contained everything that is in the universe today cannot be explained by science. Science does not know, atheists don't know, nobody knows.

Deists, atheists and theists are just rationalizing their own personal opinions, they don't know anything.

Childfree:
Workch quick questions please.

Curious what is the deist god, It's Characteristics/features and why so. And please where or how did you come about this knowledge?

I don't know, but generally deist agree that this god does not interfere in the proceedings on the universe. I think it's characterisric is unknown. They also argue from ignorance just like atheists: they argue that universe cannot start itself, the opposite of what atheists propose.

Secondly, I just took a big dump, of course we can't possibly say it is the dump that creates the universe or not since we don't have enough evidence for or against it. Is this what you are insinuating?

we don't know what created the universe, we don't even know if the universe was created it not. Atheists and theists should just agree that we don't know.

Lastly, why can't the deist god be the religious god?

Because deism is not an organized sect, where people come together to do rituals and worship a deity. In religion, people worship deities, deists don't. They are usually apathetic to the God, they don't think that it should be worshipped since it doesn't manipulate the universe to Favour anyone.

LordReed:
You are shifting goal posts. You asked about aliens and wormholes. Besides you shifted the goalpost to the worst thing you could have selected. The origins of the universe is probably something we will never be certain about since it occurred billions of years ago. If that is where you are locating your god then it is as good as useless since it not something we can know so why bother.

The origin of the universe that we may never is the basis upon which some agnostic reach the conclusion that we may never know if a creator or God exist.
There's nothing wrong with that.
Because you cannot know if it exist doesn't mean that it doesn't ot it knows.
We may also never know if a wormhole or aliens exist because of how vast the universe is.

KnownUnknown:
Oh yeah?. How did you work out those odds?

availability fo evidence is the odd. The moment to find evidence for or against, it all changes

Oh yeah? Based on your calculations, what are the odds that nothing started anything that started something that started everything?

availability of evidence for or against. The probability that a flying reindeer without wings exist is zero, gravity is the evidence against it.

There is nothing to sway and you are making ignorant arguments based on your indoctrination.


While agnosticism is utterly confused.

indoctrination is having to knowledge about a thing and still make conclusions about it. Do you have knowledge about the origin of everything? The answer is No

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KnownUnknown:
I’ll let an atheist answer this barrage of nonsense.

lol
It's fact, atheists cannot substantiate their conclusions using demonstrable evidence for or against.

They are as flawed as theists. Smart people don't jump into conclusions when knowledge is insufficient.

KnownUnknown:
No, because aliens are beings that probably exist in the universe. To them we would be the “aliens”. Given the vastness of the universe, there is nothing extraordinary about the probable existence of aliens.

Wormholes are hypothetical ways to travel in the universe based on current theories of the “fabric” of spacetime.

The probability that aliens exist is 50:50 currently.

The probability that something started everything is also 50:50.

Only evidence can sway the balance, of you are on the other side of this balanace, you are making a conclusion out of ignorance. Atheism is as flawed as theism

Flathead8:
Yes I will. Your entitled to your opinion

Then all shit goes. No wonder the useless country is not working

LordReed:
The difference being these are things that can have a clear path to procuring evidence for them, not so for a deistic god.

There's also no clear path to procuring evidence that the everything started on its own.

The chances that universe started on its own and it didn't is still 50:50. So why in a haste to reach a conclusion that something which could be what deist refer as a creator started it?

It chance that aliens exist is still also 50:50. Only evidence can sway this balance.