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IconicR:
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LordReed:
What claim is being made about aliens and wormholes?

that they may exist

I don't understand the question.



That is exactly the point, why would you be calling a god noninterventionist before you have found the god?

I am not the person calling it, I don't even believe that myself nor disbelieve it.
I'm just saying that you cannot disprove that claim because you don't have any evidence.. A claim is not baseless unless an evidence against it exist

LordReed:
It is baseless if there was no evidence to make the claim in the first place.

So aliens and warmholes are baseless?

The reason why traditional medicine needs to be investigated is because some of the claims do have a basis. We know that some plants have medicinal effect so it is worth it to see which do and what those effects are.

So the universe can not exist on its own is not a basis right? It doesn't bother you

No scientist would be looking for pink unicorns on Mars because that would be a baseless claim in the first place.

Why would you look for pink unicorns on Mars when you are yet to find life on Mars?

It's a faulty equivalence. You have to first find life on Mars before checking for a pink unicorn. And who says pink unicorns can't exist on Mars?

LordReed:
LoLz. I have never seen where a scientist says I am going to go find evidence against a baseless claim. Find me which scientist is doing this.

no claim is baseless if it hasn't been disproven.

My undergraduate research work as a biochemist, I worked on finding evidence for or against traditional claims that cashew leaves have diuretic and laxative effect hence they are handy in the treatment of hypertension and bowel movement diseases.
Going by your definition, most traditional medicinal claims are baseless, they usually sound ridiculous. You will see one person selling gbogbonise that can cure all diseases on earth, is that not baseless but science still disprove them.

It's not baseless until proven baseless.

LordReed:
I thought you are an agnostic deist.

no, you see. You still dont get my argument.

I am a weak agnostic. I don't have any knowledge of existence if a god so I don't believe or disbelieve it. I think we do not have sufficient knowledge to know if a god exist or not hence deists, atheists and theists do not know what they are talking about.

LordReed:
Yes that is an attribute you are giving the god BEFORE you have evidence, so it is indeed baseless.

If we found a new planet and we are not sure what this planet is made of yet and I make a claim that this planet can Harbour life. Of course it's a baseless claim and that's what theism does.
Epsitemologically, the individual that made the claim has the burden of proof to prove it but scientifically, the person who made the claim does not necessarily need to find evidence to validate the claim. If you think that the claim is not correct, in science, you will go out and find evidence against it else the argument is still very open.

LordReed:
Yes that is an attribute you are giving the god BEFORE you have evidence, so it is indeed baseless.

I'm not the one giving, deist gave it that attribute. I cannot disprove it, neither can you.
If you cannot disprove a claim with evidence then how is it baseless? if you do not have counter evidence, then don't you think that you are baselessly rejecting the claim?

LordReed:
You didn't answer the question: how does your description of who an atheist is not apply to me?

Where have I said I disbelieve? You're just making unfounded assumptions, that is what is not scientific.

if you don't disbelieve the existence of all god then you do not qualify as an atheist.
Atheists disbelieve all gods without evidence against all gods.

LordReed:
It is is baseless if you are giving attributes to the god. If you are simply saying there could be a god then it would be different. You are giving the god attributes BEFORE you have any evidence.

Where did i give god attributes?
Deist say that their God does not intervene, it's an attribute. You will easily verify this if you can find how everything started but we cannot. We are incapable of doing that, at least for now

LordReed:
You didn't answer the question: how does your description of who an atheist is not apply to me?

Where have I said I disbelieve? You're just making unfounded assumptions, that is what is not scientific.

Because you asserted that a god might exist so you do not outrightly disbelieve it.

HisSplendor:
You can be stupid only if you're speaking from the air. If you think I'm speaking from the air, then you're drawing conclusions without evidence.

I'm also not speaking from the air for flying spaghetti monster

HisSplendor:
I'm done with you already. I've passed my message.

I'm sure you now realize how stupid you were sounding to me

HisSplendor:
I'm done with you already. I've passed my message.

You don't want to accept the flying spaghetti monster as your lord and personal savior?

HisSplendor:
As I said, I can substantiate it to you.

I want substantiate mine to you as well.
Flying spaghetti monster is the real God. If you don't know this, then you have not dig deep enough

HisSplendor:
Neither am I one of those morons who share in your delusional ideologies.

I can't also make you feel the flying spaghetti monster. He exist and I know this because you have not dig enough.

I also think that the flying spaghetti monster is the creator of yahweh, the Christian God. I can make you feel this
The evidence for flying spaghetti monster is below

HisSplendor:
No, I can make you feel it. You'll be touching a world from another world. You'll need to follow the rules for exploration.

Do you think I'm one of those morons you talk to in your sunday school? 😂

HisSplendor:
We already won something much more valuable. Something really tangible and everlasting. Who cares for a perishable prize in Sweden?

Those things only exist in your feeble mind, you cannot substantiate it to me or any other person that don't believe in your fiction

LordReed:
You are making a baseless claim and asking me to provide evidence against what is already a baseless claim.

The claim is not baseless, it would be baseless if you know how the singularity that expanded into our current universe got there.
If you do not have answer for this, then the claim is one of the hypotheses that needs to be falsified, especially the deistic claim.

An hypothesis is never baseless until it has been falsified. A deistic concept of god is yet to be falsified unlike what you have in Christianity.

LordReed:
Good so how does that label not apply to me?

Exactly. You go a step further though and instead of waiting for evidence you are giving the god attributes. You are like a person claiming that aliens are tall and have blue eyes before seeing any evidence to that claim.

nope, theists are like the people who try to describe an alien that they don't know exist.

For me, i dont know if aliens exist or not and I don't believe or believe it. If it does exist, I don't know the nature of it and I even think that we may never know it it exist or not and it doesn't play any significant role in my life. That's scientific.

Agnosticism is of the essence of science, whether ancient or modern. It simply means that a man shall not say he knows or believes/disbelieves that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe/disbelieve. It is why atheism is not scientific

HisSplendor:
That's your perspective. I'm not here to engage anyone too. Just wanted to tell you that your current assumptions are based on your lack of digging.

Then dig yours, you will win a novel prize in Sweden if you can substantiate your digging. You know why you ot anyone haven't won it? Because most god claims are delusions and sane people know this

HisSplendor:
That's because you were relying on others for your digging. Dig for yourself. Make your own finds.

spare me all these nonsense.

I'm not here to engage religious people who are chronically ill at are making shit up

LordReed:
Who is an atheist?

Why do I need to believe in the existence or not of aliens?

An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in the existence of any God.

That's the point, you do not have to believe in the existence or not of aliens. You just have to wait for evidence for to against it to come. This also applies to the concept of a god that you cannot substantiate or invalidate with evidence like a deistic god.

LordReed:
Nope. I don't know if a god does exist. All the human proposed gods have no evidence however there might be gods we have not conceived of.

Let me allow you understand my argument better.

My stance with respect to the existence of God has to do with evidence for or against any concept of God hence if we have a God claim, before you can outrightly validate or dismiss that God, you need an evidence for or against that claim. This is basically how science works.
Now, the Christian God for example can be easily dismissed by scientific methods, in essence, we have evidence against the Christian concept of God, which is why I reject it. But we do not have evidence against a deistic concept of god, it's why I cannot outrightly reject or accept it.

Deist and atheists are those who are on the opposing ends of this argument. Deists are suppose to provide evidence for, atheists are suppose to provide evidence against but none of them have evidence.

Why do you think science is agnostic? It's because science cannot produce evidence for or against a deistic god.

LordReed:
I don't disbelieve that a god might exist.

I don't know if aliens exist.

So if you do not disbelieve that a god might exist and you don't believe it either, then how are you an atheist?
Agnostic atheists usually don't believe in any god but they still do not know if it exist or not.

If you don't know if aliens exist, then do you believe it does it not?

LordReed:
I don't know if a creator exists or not. I have no evidence to sway me towards believing in such a thing.

tyou don't have to believe gravity, it is accepted as fact because it's demonstrable.

What you would have said is that "you do not accept the existence of a god because of lack of evidence".

LordReed:
I don't know if a creator exists or not. I have no evidence to sway me towards believing in such a thing.

We are not too far from each other.
For me, i don't know if a creator exist or not and I don't believe or disbelieve it either. This is because when it comes to the issue of belief or disbelief, it doesn't work with evidence.

People don't believe evidence, people accept it. Evidence is not a matter of belief or disbelief, this is why I think atheism is not scientific.

LordReed:
Where have I said a god does not exist? I do not believe in any god I didn't say a god does not exist. I am an agnostic atheist so it is you who is wrong in making assumptions about what I think.

one what ground do you disbelieve the existence of at least one God?

Do you believe that aliens exist or not?

LordReed:
Again that is not correct since atheism DOES NOT address the issue. What any atheist assumes about the origins of the universe is a personally held assumption and not a feature of atheism so you cannot say "atheists assume that the universe and everything started on its own since they don't believe in a creator".

Okay, answer the question.
As an atheist, do you agree that a creator exist or not?

LordReed:
No but what it means is it's groundless, in my view, to construct an identity around what is essentially baseless speculation. Yes say you don't know and end it instead of inserting an imaginary character and imbue it with attributes.

I agree with you that it's groundless, but it doesn't mean that you will assert that it doesn't exist.

There's an aspect of agnosticism called apathetic Agnosticism: they are of the opinion that the existence of God is unknown or unknowable or both and that even if God exist, it's immaterial and God may not even be interested in creating anything. To them, it's immaterial, I think I agree with them.
There's also apathetic deism, they think God exist but as he exist, it's immaterial because he cannot directly influence anything.

If you say you don't know and the it's ends there, you are an agnostic.
If you say you don't know and then says it does not exist, then you re are atheist. You are wrong, you cannot say it doesn't exist when you actually do not know.

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