₦airaland Forum

atobs4real:
We don't even need ur support world Bank because our renewed hope is yielding results.
Dey play

When did you realize that the renewed hope agenda was about selling air and buying time to a second term for a considerable part?

Angelfrost:
The girl's only offense worthy of rebuke was being unnecessarily rude... She wasn't wrong in rejecting his advances.

The guy on the other hand failed to read and understand the signs, except she was manipulating him.

Chemistry is a real thing in such matters... Why ask a girl out when her attitude and disposition toward you don't match up in any way to yours?!!

In other words he should assume a no and ditch a basic objective inquiry of asking a question that provides that knowledge?

Whether or not disposition or attitude (which can be deceptive) was read he was not wrong in asking. The girl needs schooling.

"Assumed": Everyone uses a fair amount of assumption.
Also a question is a basic inquiry of something or knowledge of something. it is objective and removes assumption. It is never wrong to ask.

The lady is uncultured obviously, some people here are fond of supporting animalistic behavior like one displayed by the lady and call it being "assertive", that is utter nonsense. There were more ways than one to reject the proposal without being insulting.

If things were to be equalized and commensurate energy returned in response, the guy could take the rejection, but insult her as well by being creative with assumptions about her as she has done him.

What's with the twisting of things to praise bad behavior? If she continues this way of communication rejecting and being insulting she's bound escalate a non-volatile to something undesirable.

Please can somebody reminds us what they said was gonna be the benefits of subsidy removal again?



Are we seeing it though? Are we benefitting from it?

KosiGee:
“How you come eat, come in hella late and chill at a restaurant. Your bill was a thousand dollars and you leave sixty dollars tip?” the message read.

I think Peter wrote this…”How you come eat”…. sounds Nigerian pidgin and I doubt this person would’ve sounded like that.

I think Peter wrote that and he replied himself for attention.

That how ebonics be.

yungchop:
Never, I wouldn't even think of it.

Your answer reminds me of the video meme of the guys who says "I will never do such a thing" very sternly

TimeManager:
Coming on the show, the honourable minister was as calm as a cucumber. Rufai triggered him when he told the minister he reported him ( Rufai) to the President. The statement triggered the minister's response. Rufai should try separate professionalism from politics, he has had lots of heated moments with members of the opposition which he feels is giving him more fame and popularity. I already suggested you go watch the video, you'd have a better clarity.

-Kiss the truth!

I beg to disagree here.

This is because he actually did referenced Arise in one of the public (is it speech or hearing) sessions with stakeholders. So if that was not a lie why get triggered at that point. There was no need. Infact, he would have effortlessly out-classed any event of attempted pressure or whatsoever.

TimeManager:
Go watch the video, Rufai was rude and combative ontop of his being ignorant. I followed through the arguments and I am impressed with everyone involved. But I feel like his attitude irked the honourable minister.

-Kiss the truth!

Well if you ask me, the combative spot would be where he said something along the lines of "keep * yourself, let the world know who you are" but way before it got there it was fair. Umahi like got pre-heated or something because of feeling Rufai was too small or something. The source of the heat has got to be before the interview took place because I didn't see the need to have responded to Rufai that way if indeed it was the case that he was "too small". There wasn't any need for him to pick offense there.


Also the question was not ignorant. You seem to think because someone else outside a profession or expertise not using the correct or specific jargon translates to ignorance, you are mistaken. The Onus is on the professional to adequately inform the client or layman common to both. The issue hear is not Rufai, it is the communication failure of the minister. Infact, even if you assume Rufai were misinformed, ignorant and what not, he will have a lot more leeway compared to the expert public official.

Putindbutt:
He should learn to ask th right questions, perhaps enrolling in school of journalism, obviously he's not a trained journalist. He is political and any opposition going on his show already know what to expect. Seun of Channels would have had a different outcome from the minister if he was in his shoe.

Those questions were right. He is (arguably) blameless here. He did the job right.

Umahi should learn to serve (this is crazy to say knowing his experience in service as ex-governor should have shone here).


Even corporate entities deliver reports as frequently as weekly, even daily, telling us or Rufai to wait is like saying corporate entities shouldn't ask for progress reports they should only wait for year ends or until project ends.

zero8zero:
Since the figure isn't expected to remain the same throughout the duration, while not wait then?. S journalist that refuses to learn, rather engaging in arguments and posing questions in a manner that suggests he knew more than the minister. He better be left to rot in ignorance. And anyone who thinks he has the knowledge to debate, the minister has thrown down the gauntlet.

Why wait?

Hasn't more money been borrowed for this purpose?

Where is the tracking?

Don't you ask question like these when you pay for services your artisans or vocational workmen do?

Do you pay for services and not get involved in the progression?

So if you give a workman a job to do with pre-allocated funding, and he needs more funding, for you it's no questions asked?

What kind of thinking is this?

zero8zero:
Did Rufai ask about the cost of the work done so far?. He was asking Umahi to give him the cost of the entire project. The minister cannot give him an answer to a question he didn't ask. Pls stop being disingenuous. If someone is ignorant in a particular field, he/she's supposed to learn and take to corrections while an expert in the field explains. Rufai wanted to score cheap political point but was doing so ignorantly. At the start of the project, Umahi was on Arisetv giving the estimated cost of the project. Some people are just a bunch of rouble rousers and a subject matter as this one is really exposing their ignorance.

Yes he did ask for the cost of work done so far. The verbiage used was different but point to the same thing.

Also, in the spirit of educating the journalist or the public that the journalist represents at the point of asking, being the expert that the minister professes he is, he can give an answer that best describes the figure being requested. Those are standard questions, parametric even. One does not score a political point by merely asking of a characteristic of a project. If the figure(s) the minister is trying to hide is prohibitive, scores can begin from there, of course after reasonable considerations, after all the figure isn't expected to remain the same throughout the project lifecycle.

Also, Rufai does not need to be an expert in the field of his guest to ask the questions he did. Infact, assuming his question were ignorant it actually plays in favor of the journalist in the sense that he is representing at the moment a section of the populace who do not have expertise in that field but would like to know the same answers he is seeking, that way he fulfills his journalistic purpose of informing all strata of the public who are equally contributors to the construction of the said project.

Tracking...

TheBizGenius:
To tell you the truth, I have also compared this road to the same being done somewhere between 2 European countries and I feel Nigerian's road is crazily expensive.

But I also don't have the drawings. Maybe na marble finishing our own go get. Maybe na drone go make our own expensive, I no know. So, I have not complained about it.

I appreciate your having an engineering background and our robust engagement on this.

Thanks a million.

Lols at "marble finishing". Sincerely, seeing the quotations I keep imagining whether operational maintenance or facility management or dynamic surveillances (utilizing drones like you mentioned) has been factored into the ballooned figures. But I doubt that cos projects are supposed to have a definite start and definite end, operations are different.


Same here, It was a great exchange.

Thanks as well.

TheBizGenius:
Instead of this, I would advice that you take up the drawing of Umahi's road (as I usually call it), and do your own costing.

The same way you can't do comparative costing for a borehole without understanding the soil of the area, you can't compare roads costs for soils you haven't tested. That would be unfair to the engineer.

Just saying my own o.

Em, you do know that a road project by whatever name, does include testing right? and all that expense is included in the budget.

The last time I eye balled the comparison I was looking at an over-valuation by the Lagos-Calabar by at least 100X for the same length of the Cairo-CapeTown. I mean reasonable considerations can be made regarding the heterogeneity of terrain and all, reasonable.

CharlotteFlair:
Put more emphasis on the "indefensible". Because that my friend is crux of the matter. 😆

Lols, they think we won't notice.

I will do a comparative cost analysis between the proposed Cairo-CapeTown Highway to this Lagos-Calabar more carefully when I get the time.

I know they will want to wine by saying, oh, the concrete road is more expensive than flexible pavement and that it is going to incorporate a railway in it but like they say follow the money, it will reveal things.

TheBizGenius:
No matter how proficient you are in mathematics, you would know you can't find an average of 2x + 4y. Why? They have different variable quantities and therefore different entities.

If, and I say this with my full chest, if he has covered 1km and it happens to have a bridge, then the average cost would be gargantuan and ridiculous to anyone hearing it and would not be reflective of what the average cost of the project would be in the long run.

PS
I never said he wasn't dodging explaining the question. I even made a comment somewhere that he could have simply explained better.

You would be surprised to find otherwise then.

Besides the vanilla average being requested by the public regarding this small interview, there are at least 19 types I know of and research its best usecase for the suituation at hand. It's simply the getting the best estimate a central value for any venture. I frequently make use of at least 5.

TheBizGenius:
No matter how proficient you are in mathematics, you would know you can't find an average of 2x + 4y. Why? They have different variable quantities and therefore different entities.

If, and I say this with my full chest, if he has covered 1km and it happens to have a bridge, then the average cost would be gargantuan and ridiculous to anyone hearing it and would not be reflective of what the average cost of the project would be in the long run.

PS
I never said he wasn't dodging explaining the question. I even made a comment somewhere that he could have simply explained better.

That's exactly what was expected of him. Any average person knows in business that the average cost is meant to reduce after the 1km you have referenced. That is what averages do.

Let's assume not everyone knows, drop the figure and the addendum that explains the figure which will be subject to change as the project progresses.

TheBizGenius:
I validate what you have said.

As a civil servant, he should have simply said, "So far, this is how much we have spent".

But he can't use that amount to appropriately explain the cost per km.

It's different projects muddled together.

It's sand filling, bridge work, cement work etc. You can't find an average of all of that together.

You can't be building a house and use the cost of when laying the foundation (which may be tiny) as average when you will still spend massively on the decking part when the time comes. You talk of average when the project is the same all through.

Any average figure can be explained appropriately.

See ehn, you know when the lady journalist, I think Ayo, asked about a website for tracking completion in terms of work done, kilometers achieved and funds spent so far? The figures he is dodging can be calculated from there, tracked until completion. The figure at the instant of completion is what Umahi wants to rather give, knowing well that it can't be arrived at until completion.

damosade:
In as much am not a supporter of this government . I think we must be knowledgeable enough about project management and when it comes to road construction you don't give an exact amount because it is subjected to changes in accordance with the state of the economy that js why it is always . estimated. Cost , budgeting and contractual type plays a lot in determining the cost.

There is average cost based on work done, there is average cost based on proposed or working budget or its alterations.

It is the comparison between the two that give ability to track when the project is overshooting budget threshold or not.

The man didn't give any figures based on what was last measured or what funding has been spent on the length of road so far.

These things are straight forward.

TheBizGenius:
I have a first degree in mechanical engineering and I am disappointed in what Makinde said.

If you have a road project that transverses

A. over marshy areas and you have to sand fill,

B. over water and you have to build a bridge and

C. over hard soil and you simply lay your asphalt on it,

how do you get the average cost of such a project?

But I also understand that Umahi dey hide figures to dey chop as naija politician anyway but professionally, he is right.

Make I no even mention the Arise broadcaster own. Mtchew.

Don't brag this with your degree anymore, What!! you mean you don't understand what "Average" is ?

Even if the road passed through space to the moon, there is an average cost.


Infact, as the project progresses, there will be an average cost for the work done and one for the proposed budget or alterations. What are you talking about? You mean even with all the calculus you ought to have learnt a statistical and math fundamental concept such as average is what is evasive as this? So are you saying you couldn't track if you were going to run out of budget or within as the project progressed? It is just betraying irresponsibility if you asked me.

But at the end, we as engineers know he is dodging the question.

Quelme:
Mankinde is a senseless governor. An Oluwole engineer who doesn't have a clue about road construction.

Who do you give cost per kilo on a road which transverses different terrain? But Rufai and Makinde are senseless....

They were not senseless, Umahi is dodging the question needlessly.

Money spent so far on work done is apt question, both from the engineering perspective and the citizens paying, and necessitates an average cost according to the latest evaluation of work done.

Do you feel senseless for asking how much expenditure has gone into executing any project you contract service men to do in your sphere as the paying client or project financier?

I hope you know that every cost incurred on that project is going to be tolled and paid eventually by everyday Nigerians, all citizens.


The senseless one is the public servant that missed the opportunity to answer the public he is serving the question appropriately and the citizen for whom the concept of accountability is alien or one who feels a public servant is above questioning.

Both the world bank and Nigerian leaders are playing you the citizens and I can see the comments buying it.


They really know what is happening and what they want but they have to role play for public perception sake.

mtchewp

Lols,

When the student is ready the teacher will appear.

The markets and markets prices has been shoving data to your faces that your minimum wage now has to be between NGN700,000 to NGN1,300,000 but you guys be playing with your lives and destinies.

Mind you that range is just minimum wage o, we are not even talking medium class.

2.5m annual rent will require one to be able to allocate 208,340 for rent monthly. The question is how many people get paid even that? How many civil servant rise up to the grade to be paid that amount?

Now even if one were paid that amount, one wouldn't want to empty 100% of one salary on rent alone as it is not even feasible to do so. So if that is assumed to be 20% of one's take home, one will be required to earn x5 of that, i.e. 1.1m monthly

According to your Finance ministry less than 5% of your assumed 238 million population even have at least 500k in their accounts, which translates to a measely 12 million -ish people, 😂, ha ha. Imagine only 12m people across the 37 states barely even have the chance to survive this, lols.

Oh yes, meanwhile the population demand for 2 bedroom apartment in urban areas country wide is estimated to be at least 22.4 million.

Meanwhile the remaining 210 million Nigerians enter village and deal with bandits.

Could he have been related to Cecilia Ibru of them Oceanic bank?

MichaelSokoto:
Abeg, wen last did u hear anyone boasting... "I go feed u and ur family!" in a fight?

dat phrase as bn completely wiped out by emilokan!

These days that would amount to threatening another with a good time, ha ha

lexy2014:
Lagos-Calabar Highway Costs 7 times more per km than Pan-African Cairo-Cape town route.

1. Nigeria’s Lagos-Calabar Coastal Highway, a 700 km highway.

Budget: $11–13 billion

2. Cairo-Cape Town Highway, a 10,228 km Cairo-Cape Town Highway

Budget: $1.65 billion

what is the pressure on Lagos-ibadan- shagamu- ore - Benin roads that Lagos calabar road will reduce?

are there no roads within Lagos calabar corridor?

please what is the state of those roads right now?

what will the Lagos calabar road do that existing roads in that axis will not do?

Wow !

Going by these figures, that would mean the $11-$13 B budgeted for the Lagos-Calabar corridor should be enough to build at least 7 of those Cairo-Cape town roads or another interpretation would be that that budget should actually be able to build the same Lagos-Calabar road a whooping 102 times over. That is the extent to which the project has been inflated or overcharged or over-budgeted or over-valued. As has been observed time and time again, this is a nasty tradition of stealing by overcharging under the guise of providing service. smh. Where is the projects valuation units and independent audits reports. Can they focus on cutting cost and effectively doing thing more efficiently?


Meaning the Nigerian Government over-charged 102X for one road, and that is amount (the least amount) they intend to collect back from the road users (majorly their citizens) through the tolls which will be erected on it.



The other day that was how the budget for a few hundreds solar street lights amounted to an equivalent of about NGN 220 m per unit, and I am left wondering, will this be a "forever street light", facility management covered, insurance covered, 100% uptime guaranteed, replacement guaranteed


Nigerians when you wake, behold your morning!

Poloyanabo2:
Bounce back from apartheid how?
Apartheid is the reason for their high development,
Other African countries(sub Saharan) that didn't experience apartheid is there any doing even up to half as good as South Africa?

Botswana is doing fantastic. Probably one of the very few doing great (they are fortunate to have a reasonable leadership for their population considering the resources they've got), Rwanda is up there too but it's got suspicious dealings.

Shimbo96:
They should go to G&J PLASTIC along SAGAMU-ABEOKUTA road if they want to see illegal Chinese people in Nigeria and it will amaze you how they use NIGERIANS as a slave in our own country. People there work 10hrs in a day making 70hrs in a week which is against labour law and if you argue with any Chinese Nationals then you will be sack immediately without paying you. I have my evidence just waiting for a trustworthy person or firm to give my petition to. For the record, the hostel for NIGERIANS is full of bedbugs and mosquitoes while those heartless people are living inside luxury. I can tell you for free that every tribe is there hustling because they need the money so for once we should all come together if we want the best for this country... Bye for now.

https://reportgov.ng


Asap!

Register your complaints and observation to that effect and give feedback when you can.

McVites Shortbread Milk Classic (btw the chocholate version was nothing speacial imo) and Jacob's Cheedar cracker are my favorite luxury biscuits.

When on a budget, I default to Beloxxy's cracker and the soda cracker and a bit of Yale which reminds me of that nostalgic classic Nasco biscuit of Yesteryear

The government has all the apparatus to curtail these things and it is not being effective...

Reflect7:
I’ve no idea why Paul Kagame is agreeing to take in unwanted people from the UK and US. Thought he was sharper than that.

He is sharper than that ordinarily but allegedly his balls' being held cos he is in bed with and helping the same eff up his brothers in CG and another.

SatoshiX:
Can people like you allow what's happening in Rwanda to happen in nigeria without shouting marginalisation and screaming democracy is deead??

No need to get new avoidable problems that come with medication (which is discontinueable) to manage it lifelong. That is unnecessary overhead and diversion of resources that would have gone into more rewarding development and sustainability. It is rather astute to avoid them (avoidable problems) in the first instance.

How much did it cost to do this SFA test in Lagos?




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