DrummaBoy:

I have answered your question. You apparently have problems with comprehension. Read what you quoted again.

No you didn't answer my question, you only criticized Oyakhilome.

Amen.

irishCream: nigga stop denying ur god damn man-made religion, from the content of ur comment u're one of them maybe she invited u to come and assist her same way some of those naive members of urs do go and come back wid crammed version of answers when asked a question on visit. No witness can decieve me I know them in and out they're not better than an average christian. The same bible y'all read says God sees the heart (1 Samuel 16:7) so stick to ur man-made doctrine and stop being a nuissance to others, preach to urself first.

Thank you irishcream, you are a good woman.

Rich4god: Stop attacking his personal view... Allow him to make his argument as he wishes...

Please take note! Bernimore's quote is not my personal view. I have clarified myself in this thread, which I believe you might have seen.

https://www.nairaland.com/1877865/yooguyz-athiest

There is word out there that am an Athiest masqurading as a christian because of the below post made by me


Re: Implication Of Tithing by Yooguyz(m): 10:47pm On Apr 11, 2013
good evening op, i have never paid tithe in my life and i don't intend on paying tithe but let those who do keep doing it, *in my mind* #deluded bunch of tithe paying folks# I am a Caktholic christian but i dont believe in God, in fact religion is the opium of the masses.
YOU can ATTACK me cos am used to attacks infact i'll welcome one so far it's sincere #but if i troll you with multiple id's eh?#
funny thing about me i don't even believe in the bible am quoting it's for gullible people
you know yourself
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https://www.nairaland.com/1253965/implication-tithing#15197331

The above statement made by me was intended to be a sarcastic reply to a moniker on that thread. And it was put forth by this moniker who is well known for trolling my threads.

BERNIMOORE:

wow, its been long that i visited the NL, but im only passing by and reading your post and i wonder the kind of hypocrite you are, and what you are doing on the religion section when you are an atheist and every christian is gullible in your own convinction as you confirm it by your own post in the next link (bolded) https://www.nairaland.com/1253965/implication-tithing#15197331 if you like tell mods to help you remove the post but i hav a screenshot

funny enough your father is a priest, and if i am correct you are an ORDAINED priest, and you have travelled with missionaries on evangelism


i am posting this so that everybody will see the true picture of who they are dealing with, i m not a jehovahs witness but i have them as friends and before delving into the topic here, what do you gain in trying to distort christianity, today you support penticostals tommorrow you support so called gay christians, you incite others against jehovahs witnesses but in your mind you are calling those who think you champion their course 'mumu',

if i lied pls tell the whole forum now so that i provide further proof!

https://www.nairaland.com/1876439/17-top-facts-u-probably/2



Old NL members are aware of my hatred for athiesm that is even implied in my signature. Please disregard any insinuations of the above, as it is a desperate attempt to discredit my watchtower threads.

kokolet007:
Wow! U are such a eye opener! A son of a priest turn to atheist! =))º°˚˚˚°ºнaĦaнaº°˚˚˚°º‎​=)) I quess he's the black sh**p of his mass
May jehovah redeem ur soul!

Go through the thread in the link Bernimore provided, it was intended to be a sarcastic reply to some one in that thread, don't misinterpret it.

Re: Implication Of Tithing by Yooguyz(m): 10:47pm On Apr 11, 2013
good evening op,
i have never paid tithe in my life and i don't intend on paying tithe but let those who do keep doing it, *in my mind* #deluded bunch of tithe paying folks# I am a Caktholic christian but i dont believe in God, in fact religion is the opium of the masses.
YOU can ATTACK me cos am used to attacks infact i'll welcome one so far it's sincere #but if i troll you with multiple id's eh?#
funny thing about me i don't even believe in the bible am quoting it's for gullible people
you know yourself
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I impore you not to take Bernimore's post seriously cos the moniker is notorious for trolling.

I've cross checked the statements properly, I actually did make them. Sorry for the false alarm.

Re: Implication Of Tithing by Yooguyz(m): 10:47pm On Apr 11, 2013
good evening op,
i have never paid tithe in my life and i don't intend on paying tithe but let those who do keep doing it, *in my mind* #deluded bunch of tithe paying folks# I am a Caktholic christian but i dont believe in God, in fact religion is the opium of the masses.
YOU can ATTACK me cos am used to attacks infact i'll welcome one so far it's sincere #but if i troll you with multiple id's eh?#
funny thing about me i don't even believe in the bible am quoting it's for gullible people
you know yourself
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It was intended to be a sarcastic reply to someone's post on that thread.

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DrummaBoy:

I don't have any problem with Oyakhilome's statement.

My problem is with the double standard his likes practice. They have no problem making sweeping, generalized statements, that carry no responsibility and offends no one, as long as they do not name names.

Then people like myself come out and say the likes of Oyakhilome preach false doctrine because they preach, for example, Word of Faith. And they are offended. And we ask: why are you offended? And they say because we named their names. And we say: but the likes of Oyakhilome said many pastors will not go to heaven because they were not obeying God. Then they say: Oyakhilome didn't name any name.

And I am asking: is there a difference btw I who named a name and you who didn't? And you say: yes. And I say: no; because Oyakhilome made his statement with some people in mind. The only difference BTW us is that he was too cowardly to name their names.

See?

You did not answer my question. Will all pastors go to heaven? Yes or No?

@Emusan, please help me ask kookolet07 to provide the scriptural basis of the 1919 doctrine that has it that Jesus chose the watchtower as the only true religion, since she doesn't respond to my posts any longer.


"In 1919 the cleansed slave class could look forward to ever-expanding activities." Watchtower 1993 May 1 p.16

"Similarly, starting in 1919, Jehovah brought forth the seed of the woman as a spiritual nation." Revelation - It's Grand Climax p.18

"How long did this respite for the seed of God’s woman last? Revelation 12:6 says 1,260 days. Revelation 12:14 calls the period a time, times, and half a time; in other words, three and a half times. In fact, both expressions stand for three and a half years, extending in the Northern Hemisphere from the spring of 1919 to the autumn of 1922. This was a period of refreshing recuperation and reorganization for the restored John class. ... After 1922 Satan spewed out a flood of persecution against the Witnesses." Revelation - It's Grand Climax pp.184-185

ooseven:
The ideologies you should be against are those that breed violent, fraudulent and criminal people, not JW.

What makes you think that an organisation that still persists in predicting the end of the world despite past failures in order to garner more followers and increase donations is not fraudulent?

ooseven:


So if they are nice people, why do you bother them. If they preach to you and you politely decline, why is there a need to antagonize them.

I don't have anything against witness, I have a problem with the hypocrisy of watchtower leaders as much as you have problem with pentecostal pastors.

I open my threads out of pity for the average gullible witness, to expose some watchtower theology for what it truelly is.

You should be grateful to me for my eye-opening exposes.

If not for my threads people like Charism would still be deluded.

They are decent people who do not cause harm to anyone and live their lives in a simple way.

The ideologies you should be against are those that breed violent, fraudulent and criminal people, not JW.

DrummaBoy:

So because he didn't call anyone's name, he cannot be accused of judging; or touching an anointed?

This is the whole hypocrisy in this ministry stuffs the likes of Oyakhilome practice.

Oyakhilome refrained from calling names because he cannot bear the responsibility and opprobrium that will follow such actions. And if he dare call anyone's name his own skeletons will be revealed. Period.

So Oyakhilome made such sweeping statement without having anyone in mind? Keep on deceiving yourselves.

My position: Biblical truths must be stated as it is. If a man preaches false doctrine, his doctrine, what he said, who said it, where he said it and to whom it was said, should all be clearly stated. That's the responsibility that follows preaching.

If a preacher worth his salt cannot do this, I doubt his call by God, for these are true test of those truly called. Gospel preaching has forever contained its offence. You reduce the offence, you loose its power.

Ok, can I take this to mean that you believe that all pastors will go to heaven?

ooseven:

You failed when you assumed I was a witness.

People now look up to you to attack a particular religious group and you duly obliged even though your record shows a frightening lack of basic understanding and comprehension.

Ok! I would take the bolded as an insult from a Jehovah's witness claiming not to be a jehovah's witness in order to draw attention to his post.

I will break down my original statement to assist you.

1. I believe all relgious ideologies have flaws

2. I like Jehovah's Witnesses even though I find some of their beliefs disagreeable

3. I don't like fraudulent pentescostal pastors

4. All the Jehova witnesses I have ever known turned out to be nice people, therefore JW probably breeds nice people

Number 2 is only where need clarification, thanks for clarifying that.

I veeeeery much agree with you on number 4 though. The few witnesses I've met on nairaland have been "extremely nice" to me.

HezronLorraine: I saw it and It was more than superb,I was awed and impressed.Great job.It was a wonderful piece.

Thanks for the compliment am flattered.

BERNIMOORE:

wow, its been long that i visited the NL, but im only passing by and reading your post and i wonder the kind of hypocrite you are, and what you are doing on the religion section when you are an atheist and every christian is gullible in your own convinction as you confirm it by your own post in the next link (bolded) https://www.nairaland.com/1253965/implication-tithing#15197331 if you like tell mods to help you remove the post but i hav a screenshot

funny enough your father is a priest, and if i am correct you are an ORDAINED priest, and you have travelled with missionaries on evangelism


i am posting this so that everybody will see the true picture of who they are dealing with, i m not a jehovahs witness but i have them as friends and before delving into the topic here, what do you gain in trying to distort christianity, today you support penticostals tommorrow you support so called gay christians, you incite others against jehovahs witnesses but in your mind you are calling those who think you champion their course 'mumu',

if i lied pls tell the whole forum now so that i provide further proof!

Long time! What happened to you bro?

I missed your insults, lies against me, and bullying

You are a true Jehovah's witness.

HezronLorraine: God bless the Man of God.

He stated an obvious truth,he didn't in anyway as he never has condemned anyone.It was a message of admonishment to his flock to understand the fruitfulness of obeying God less they don't make heaven.

Did you see my presentation at the just concluded e-convention? What do you think about it? Did I present it well?

HezronLorraine: Am cool bro.

Dats good to hear

ooseven:

You people focus on all the wrong things.

All religions have flaws in their ideology, but if I were to choose one it will be Jehovah's Witness

I'll take this to mean that you agree that the 1919 doctrine has no scriptural basis.

They are the only ones that try to practice what they preach, they are the only ones who take the study of their source document (the bible) seriously; They are the only ones who do not shy away from preaching about the hard part of Christianity; They are the only ones who do not focus on the financial aspect of church; No forced tithe or offerings; Their publications are essentially free.

What makes you think Catholics, baptists and pentecostals and other denominations don't do they above?

I had the good fortune of meeting one of them on the train, and accepted her offer to study the bible with me. Though I was able to identify parts of their beliefs that put me off, I must say she was one of the sweetest persons I ever met (she was about 80).

All the witnesses i have ever known have been nice and straightforward people and that is what I expect from people who believe in an omnipotent God, not these fake, prosperity preaching, tithe hustling, congregation dumbing, bible neglecting, selfish criminal nincompoops masquerading as new age pentescostal pastors.

Its ironic when you point the flaws in your religion as "mistakes" while pointing out the flaws from other groups as hypocrisy.

I have proof that the watchtower is equally guilty of the insults you just rained on pentecostal churches.


Its self righteos posts like this that motivates me to very critical of the watchtower.

can take the insults you just rained on Pentecostals to mean that "you are looking at the wrong things"?

Candour:

Haba, egbon, with you here to teach us your doctrines, who needs pastor Chris?

Are you telling me he actually said the below?

"Many pastors will go to hell for not obeying God, some are not called by God, some just called themselves for their personal reasons, some are in the ministry to serve their senses”.

If I read it correctly, he didn't call anybody's name.I don't think he's judging any1, he's only stating a bible fact.

I thought your creed has always been "not to judge another man's servant"? If indeed he said that, who gave him the right to? Have you forgotten "touch not my anointed"?

I'm not trying to castigate him, but considering how you in particular castigate any and everybody who says something similar, its surprising you're attacking me for believing this statements credited to him isn't true.

Olusanya333: Do you believe d Bible is God word?

Please help me to ask her about the scriptural basis of Jehovah's witness 1919 doctrine. Thanks

kokolet007:
U are popular on this forum to critize JW, so if u think u can start an argument wiv me U are wrong!

Oh I see! I very clever excuse to avoid answering my questions. I saw it coming am not suprised.

I guess you've researched the OP and found out that some of your " facts" were misleading and some slightly exaggerated.

And that the 1919 doctrine still being upheld by Jehovah's witnesses is not based on the bible.

If you knew about my popularity in this forum, why did you even bother to respond to my posts?

hifaif:

Alright, bro. I wanted to see something new and I saw it. Not the usual old argument.

LOL

HezronLorraine: Hey bro,still up to the same business.

Just saw this now.

Hezron looooong time! What's up!

hifaif:

Alright, bro.

Answered.

kokolet007:
How many question do u wnt answer to firstly u want answer to 1919 now source and figures[b]Yooguyz ur intentions are clear[/b]

I want answers to both of the questions.

Is the boldened an attempt to aviod answering the questions?

hifaif:

What evidence do you have that Jesus died on a cross?

Allow me to answer, I'll be back.


Am back.Jesus was crucified with two nails, one in each hand, not a single nail through the wrist. That separate nails were in each hand is made clear by the use of the word 'nails' not 'nail'. This suggests that Jesus had his arms separated on a cross, not together on a stake as represented in Watchtower publications.

Matthew 27:37 also supports the idea of a cross rather than a stake when it says;

"Above his head they had put the charge against him in writing: 'THIS IS JESUS, KING OF THE JEWS' ". How can something be put above his head, if his hands were nailed vertically as depicted by the watchtower.

"unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side, I will certainly not believe".
John 20:25

Compare this two pix below, which one accurately fits into bible description?

kokolet007:
Do u mean the figures or d doctrines?

The figures and the source of the figures.

[quote author=kokolet007][/quote]

Ok I know the question was not put to me, buh lemme state the one that's bordering me, the 1919 doctrine that implied that Jesus in that year choose the watchtower as the only true religion, could you please throw more light on that?
Thank you.

kokolet007:
These are Facts.......it might look odd to u compare to ur belief,jus take it or give me prove to buttress ur point.

Can you post the evidence of these "facts", for us to examine them?

Who be that who dey call me! I don show.


I dey come, make I book space come back

Are you ok? Only you they ask question, only you dey answer question.