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Hmmm,  I am with you on that one 100% with regards to the movie and I bet all Africans (black africans outside of SA) would feel the same. Infact I believe although the movie was successful, it shouldnt come at the expense of another country(Hope South Africans understands my point)

@the viper
Yes, I thoroughly understand what you saying and in terms of corruption it is every in the world(Even in Ghana, SA and Botswana) I was just stating a fact.

Overall, all countries has problems and I don't think its fair that the movie singled out a particular country and depict a bad portrayal of it.
In South Africa, crime is a major problem, and so has Nigeria has its own problems. Criticizing each other wouldn't help anyone but if we get ourselves properly educated with regards to our fellow African country maybe Nigerians might give solutions to South Africa's problems and South Africans might have solutions to Nigeria's problems. One thing is for sure is South Africans arent jealous of Nigerians and the same vice versa.
This thread is become a war between two countries and there wont be a winner!

And about infrastructure you are boasting of they were mostly built by the deposed apartheid only a few were post apartheid

You dont live in SA, among other things South Africa has the largest construction industry in all of Africa, and Sandton City(Northern suburb outside of Joburg) is one of the most fastest growing city in the world. And post apartheid, Joburg grew to become the 18th largest city by land area.

thing goes for south africa who were eager to please and thank fellow africans for the help they were given during the aparthied time.add that to the big corruption in south africa

Hmmm, need I remind that South Africa is the 3rd least corrupt country in africa and 55th in the world(Italy lies at no. 56) and need I remind you nigeria is one of the most corrupt countries in the world

why didn't them make movies about notorious armed robbers in south africa any one visiting south africa without strong enough security is bound to be robbed at gunpoint south africa is an AIDS

There are countless movies about AIDS crime in South Africa
let me repeat that:
There are countless movies about AIDS crime in South Africa
i.e Jerusalema, Tsotsi, Yesterday etc.
Directed and produced in South Africa.
Infact most of South African movies are about crime and AIDS

Reading the reviews from the film, there is alot of positive reviews infact some may say that its one the of the best sci-fi movies of all time. Im just proud that an african film(especially non-Hollywood) has made a huge success in the world

If there is a thread called "Which sport do you like apart from football/soccer" you will notice there wont be any replies.

Cricket[b]s[/b] can render your kids stupid.

what the f8ck?

i dislike rugby so much with the way they rough handle themself in field of play

You should notice how much respect they(rugby players) give to referees unlilke football players, and how much they handle themselves off the pitch. Rugby players are among the most disciplined sportsmen in the world.

Oh, by the way anyone every seen the New Zealand haka(A new zealand war dance that is performed before a game)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4LNjNXt1yM
best thing since watching 300

American sports are the worst sports because only americans play them but for some reason they have the audacity to call them world series so that an american could win all the time.
Cricket is a colonial sport played by former and current British colonies.
Rugby on the hand is one of the best sports because there is a position for any size of a player and you kick, run, chase also its a strategic sport based on game plan and of course its a full contact sport.

immadosumn:
I hate to keep the very inflammatory rhetoric of this thread alive, but I just couldn't resist 

So here it goes:

- As a Nigerian who lived in SA for more than 10 years ( through the first general elections that elected Madiba to Mbeki's political demise) I have what you might call, a first hand knowledge of life in SA, post apartheid.

- SA, like most multi cultural/multi-racial societies is still largely polarized along the lines of race, sex and of course, class. The ruling black elite only replaced the Afrikaner National Party in largely symbolic terms. There's no "real change" in the lives and future outlook of everyday South African blacks. The same ones, whose parents and grandparents were at the receiving end of the Boer brutality, still largely remain in their AIDS infested, crime ridden and sadly, poverty stricken "shacks" as they call them; sprinkled on the fringes of every major South African city, much like the defunct Apartheid system designed it.

- SA blacks are not helping matters, if anything, they actually make it worse for themselves. Xenophobic outbursts such as recently demonstrated in the riots of 2 years ago, profiles for the keen observer, the real mindset of these Africans.

- The Boers created a class system with the European invaders (slave masters) being at the top of the food-chain, the "Coloureds" (Mulattos) in second place, the imported Indian slaves in third place and you guessed right, the real owners of the land at the bottom of the food-chain. Access to education and socioeconomic  opportunities was rationed along the lines of this class structure. This still largely permeates in every specter of society, today.

- SA blacks are NOT like the rest of black Africa. Their genetic disposition makes it impossible for them to empathize with each other, much less Makwerekweres (a commonly used derogatory term for foreigners) from "North Africa", as these sadly mostly ignorant people refer to the rest of Africa. In fairness though, hundreds of years of living under the gun pretty much made it impossible for SA blacks to evolve like the rest of Africa did, ie, managing or would I rather say, mismanaging our own affairs - at least we mostly did it, our way; SA blacks sadly, cant say that.

- @ Thabo's line of argument here shows you only a minute part of how blacks in SA see the rest of Africa.

- Dont get me wrong, there are very well traveled and very cultured blacks in SA, but you will have to go through a bunch of jerks like @ Thabo before finding any. They will rather not want to be identified with their fellow blacks in SA.

- I remember growing up in Nigeria and there was an elderly SA couple living as tenants of my dad's, while both lecturing in a State University. I first learnt much about the brutality of Apartheid from this very political couple as an inquisitive preteen. I also remember they enjoyed their time in Nigeria with both their daughters even being married to Nigerians.

To sum it up, SA with all of its technological and industrial development cannot be really compared to the rest of Africa. The country was created and designed by the Boer farmers (trekkers) and the Brits for their own consumption. It was never created with the desire of one day giving it up to the ill equipped Africans to plunder. Ten years on, their fears seem a little justified. SA blacks have a very vibrant trade union and skilled labor force; but not enough to meet the challenges the new dispensation faces.

Giant of Africa or not, Nigeria has always played a role in these issues. I don't see that changing very soon. As they would say in SA, black is lekker! My 2c.

This sums up the entire thread, now this topic shall rest

@Okotie

no.1 in cricket(both Test and ODI) and current world rugby champs

Oh by the way, according to the latest rankings SA is now ranked no.1 rugby(Rugby world cup is the third biggest sporting event in the world after the Football World cup and the Olympics)
SA is dominates the world in two major sports, I thought I might share those stats with you

Why the fck does anyone chose to live in China?

Well if you look at it the victim was white, and it was in Stellenbosch(in the western cape which is still governed by whites in south africa) it is highly unlikely to spread to the rest of africa so everybody can relax

What a dumb thread

samparian:
if we go by the emboldened statement, it means there is no country in the world, worthy of being called Giant, because every country in the world has its share of poor and homeless people including USA and UK

Exactly, there is no Giant of the world

Africa doesnt care about Nigeria, when it sneezed nobody heard anything.

In 1996 Ashanti became the first African operating company listed on the New York Stock Exchange.

You have a point there, but

finalized its sale to South African behemoth AngloGold to create the world's second biggest gold miner, AngloGold Ashanti.

Anglo Ashanti is at present a South African company.

Anglogold merged with Ashanti Gold fields, but it was mainly an operation ochestrated by Ashanti and it was ably led by Sam Jonah from Ghana and it was the first African company to be listed on NYSE

Could you show me your reference then.

Its simple the hottest woman in Africa is Charlize Theron, so the hottest women in africa come from South Africa

asha 2:
Nigerians have false image of themselves.

Its so true, you hear of Nigerians bragging about they are 8th biggest produced of oil in the world, well South Africa is the no. 1 producer of gold in the world since 1905 and they have earthed 60% of the worlds gold, also being the no. 1 producer of platinum in the world.

Lets talk about institutions:

Where do you get the best:

Schools
Universities
Scientific research facilities
Hospitals
Tourist attractions(Apart from the pyramids)
Sporting stadiums
Economic, Law and Judiciary institutes
Media and research
and more

in Africa?
South Africa

Since re-inception 1994

How many world cups did u say SA have been to?

2(1998, 2002)

How many times have south africa won the all african games?

2(1995 Harare;1999 Johannesburg)

Have u guys ever managed to make wave in the olympics?

Outside of USA and Australia, South Africa made head waves in Swimming
South Africa has still the most gold by an african country(even though it performed poorly in Beijing)

Where is SA in the FIFA ranking?

Yea sure SA is not good in Football, but it is no.1 in cricket(both Test and ODI) and current world rugby champs, just to name a few sporting stat, oh South African golfers has won more majors than any other country apart of the USA

How many south africans can you point out to be making wave in the world at the moment?

Well SA has grammy award winning artist and oscar winning actors, SA has more famous people than any other country in africa

What about the third largest movie industry in the world?It is the nigerian Nollywood

Yea, Home made videos, South Africa made the only Oscar award winning movie in africa, Most of there movies are international award winning movies and are compared to hollywoods movies.
Fact is, South Africa has a major gap in comparison to the rest of africa

Who successfully negotiated the china-africa patnership?

Who gives a damn what china does, South Africa is G8+5 member it makes alot partnerships on its own.

Nigeria played a major role in abolishing or rather,curbing apatheid in south africa.

What did Nigeria do? Holding some exiled people.
Apart from that then you can consider the whole world played apart in abolishing apartheid.

2)Talking about soccer,how many times has south africa graced the world cup? Or rather,how many times have u guys made it to the quarter finals of the Nations Cup talk less of winning.

Since re-inception in 1994 about twice(1998 and 2002) SA qualified for the world cup, and they won the Nations cup once in 1996, finalist in 1998, third position 2000, quarterfinalist 2002.
Apart form football, track and field athletics, basketball SA dominates in every sports in africa.
I suggest that you should get your facts right

back2back:
thanks. from above we can say below are also african heros:

1. Ken Saro Wiwa

2. General Ojukwu(Biafra)

3.  Henry Okha(MEND)

He became a hero because:

After imprisonment(1990), South Africa looked likely to be in a civil war but he orchestrated peaceful negotiations with the Apartheid Government which led to be the worlds biggest political breakthrough in modern day politics

Oh by the way, I guess you guys never heard of the AWB(Military Wing for the Boer Afrikaner), white supremacist who killed and bombed alot of black people. The leader Eugene Terblanche planned alot attacks in black townships but was never named as a terrorists was he?

Do we allow WEST define for us an African hero or do we define for ourself who is an African hero?

the real man behind the Wetern guilt gloss

There is no west or western gloss regarding Mandela's story, his story is a just person fighting for human rights for his people and just so happened to be african. This thread is like asking what Ghandi has done for Indians, or what Martin Luther King has done for African Americans because all of them has fought for human rights for there people but yet somewhere along the line you guys are seeking for a demon in peace and human rights.

@Beaf
He was definitely the founder of the military wing, but the man who orchestrated the bombings is called CHRIS HANI(look him up)

Later, mostly in the 1980s, MK waged a guerrilla war against the apartheid regime in which many civilians became casualties.[31] Mandela later admitted that the ANC, in its struggle against apartheid, also violated human rights, sharply criticising those in his own party who attempted to remove statements supporting this fact from the reports of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

As I said, Mandela at that time was in robben island were he had no direct influence in those bombings.

After imprisonment(1990), South Africa looked likely to be in a civil war but he orchestrated peaceful negotiations with the Apartheid Government which led to be the worlds biggest political breakthrough in modern day politics.

Besides is there anything terrorist in spending 67 years fighting for human rights?

I believe that Mandela has done alot for africa and is a symbol for peace, does that answer your question?

First I would to say that I was born in Nigeria who is living South Africa (for the past 6 years) and fortunate to experience the good side of South Africans. But with South Africa now is facing 'economic apartheid' and there is such a vast difference with regards to class regardless black or white. The poor community feels neglected in the new South Africa and while the black middle class reaping good benefits thus creates a very hostile situation(i.e crime). Other countries facing huge class difference are mexico, brazil and columbia and just like SA crime is a major problem.

As for Mandela though he has done his part and he is, sorry was a good leader and South Africa now needs to break away from there economic apartheid, I think that should solve South Africa's problems.

, Im in SOUTH AFRICA, living with SOUTH AFRICANS,

i suggest you board the next available flight to South Africa.
when you get there, ask them this question and tell them your view on Mandela.
i wont be suprised if you return in a coffin

Another ignorant statement, there is alot of south africans that questions his credibility especially the poor black community(the most violent) you would find they would agree with the posters thoughts because they are just as ignorant.

You lack serious knowledge and Im not willing to argue with you, go look up info regarding Nelson Mandela.
As for terrorist, the apartheid government named him a terrorist because he was rebelling against the current regime and once more show you are highly ignorant, the bombings in SA occured in the 1980's when he was still in prison(Robben Island). The idea of placing him in an island is for him not to have any communication with world thus he had absolute no authority regarding the people that bombed that area. Further more isnt it enough for a person to spend 67 years of his life fighting for human rights.

And so for the bombings, study South African history before you make an argument.