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manny4life: Unfortunately, I have argued this part before. I remembered when I told my fellow Yoruba folks that the moment non-indigenes begin to desert Lagos for together parts, it's only a matter of time, it will begin to tell on Lagos. Only if Igbos can go back and build same mansions and companies like they do in Lagos, make Lagos a secondary location, Lagos is in for competition.

If all Nigerians could go back to their hometowns and leave Lagos, Nigeria would be better for it. Right now everyone who can afford it abandons their home to head to Lagos while their hometowns a left to rot. Lagos for all its bitchin.g about overcrowding benefits from this situation. If Nigeria is facing a brain drain overall, internally Nigeria is facing a brain drain as well with everyone migrating to Lagos.

The only thing people do is build a house back in their hometown and stay put in Lagos. Who is left back home to challenge the theives that masquerade as politicians or to put pressure on officials to provide basic services to the people.

If for one year Lagos refused people from other regions, when you come back Nigeria will not be the same Nigeria from memory. People rise up to the challenges when faced with adversity, but when they are given an easy out they will take it.

AdeCisco: Ndigbos are minorities everywhere even in their own states. Why can't they go and vote and develop their country and leave Lagos alone with its beloved ACM. Ndigbo kor!! Oun do obo ni mshewwww. Awon ti won ti so nu tipe.

Please if you truly care about the welfare of the Igbo people you will send them back to the SE ASAP. That tough love might be the catalyst for great change in the SE. If you have to confront your problems head on you learn how to deal with them and overcome them

shymmex: How will Lagos benefit from non-indigenes lording over us?

The same people who can't fix their home state, yet they want to fix Lagos, huh??

Fix your home state first before trying to fix the next man's state..

Then do the honors by chasing them out really I can't understand why you want to keep "useless" people around you. Send them packing

You can't because even in your heart of hearts you know Lagos functions by the shear fact it relies on the collective effort of all Nigerians from all regions.

So I'm calling your bluff chase everyone out8)
Nigeria will see the net gain in every region by the end of one year.

Danka7777: Who are these "trespassers" if I may ask?

I don't know, in my mind when you all live a country as long as you contribute positively to the community, pay your taxes, and are a legal resident of that nation you have every right to live anywhere and everywhere and the right to contest for any position under the sun.

Maybe you should direct your question to the Lagos for the SW only committe who thinks if you are not from Lagos and are not from x ethnicity you should shut the hell up and be grateful that they allowed you the privilege to live and work in your own country.

Nigeria I hail thee

cheddarking: Madam calm down Jor,

Lagos is too multi-ethnic anyway to realistically belong to any ethnic group anyway.
Oya Farabale Nicely...
Wind your neck in..

Everyone believes they are telling the truth let me tell my own.

In some people's minds they think making Lagos indigenes only will be to the detriment of others but actually Nigeria would benefit by and large.

Dear God please give the indigenes of Lagos the strength to chase out the trespassers so that the rest of Nigeria benefit from their actions.

Amen

shymmex: [/s]

Blah blah blah...

But why do you guys care so much about the damn state??

You said there are 10 other states in Nigeria that are better than Lagos, why can't you guys go there and leave Lagos alone?

At least Yoruba people had an empire, where's your empire??

You guys just talk the talk but can't walk the walk..

Yes ignore the truth that Lagos the king of Nigeria is the pauper of Africa lmao even tiny Gabon has cities worth looking at. Go to skyscraper city and seem how big mighty Lagos is mocked for its gaudiness. Even blessed Abuja doesn't fair better. Tell me how is it that old a.s.s Nairobi built mostly in the 70's is more modern in appearance than Lagos and Abuja? Yes all hail the mighty substandard Lagos

Dear learn how to read I never mentioned 10 anything, O mentioned the fact that SW people seem to have Lagos on the brain more so than the non-indigenes lol does Ogun and Oyo no longer have cities worth mentioning? Some of you guys were not even born there and Stan hard as hell for that place, are things that bad that nowhere in the SW is worth mentioning?

Who cares about empires, the same Europeans who had kings and queens dropped them for republican systems long after people in the SE figured out that it's the best way to go lol. For all your empires you have nothing to point to but Lagos how sad...

The irony is that you guys think that chasing everyone out of Lagos would be a bad thing, if anything you would be doing large swaths of Nigeria a favor. If you have no choice but to stay in your hometown and do whatever it takes to make it better instead of running away, you benefit in the long run. If anything Lagos who like the US benefits from a brain drain from other places will suffer the most. So please chase out all non indigenes of Lagos, you would be doing a great service for the nation

shymmex: There you go, you can have NYC...

Lagos is in shambles because it's overcrowded, I'm sure when you guys start ruling NYC - we will start cleaning up our state..

I don't even know why you guys still want the 'prize' located at the heart of Yoruba country...

It seems Igbos like violence..

First of all who told you I was Igbo...lol just because I said Lagos ain't sh1t don't mean I'm Igbo.

Second, Lagos like crap because of the God awful buildings that pass for Nigerian architecture. Even if ever slum was removed the city would still look garish because homes constructed from Lego blocks is the standard.

Third, why is it that the only city worth mentioning in the SW is Lagos? I'm not familiar with the North but I can name you at least 5 northern cities and towns, same for the SE and SS. Ask me about the SW and Lagos is pretty much it because that's all you guys talk about. Is all of the SW concentrated in an area known as Lagos? It the SW on comprised of Lagos? Damn as crappy as Aba is it still gets a mention is Lagos the pinnacle of the SW? The last bastion of Yoruba civilization? Jesus some of you guys are not even from Lagos but talk as though you were birthed on the Lekki Expressway.

No some Nigerians are idiots and like violence when they think it's a big deal to tolerate people who share the same country as you. Well done you have caught up to 19th century concepts another century more and you might get to where the rest of the world was in the 20th century in 2100

shymmex: If tribalism is about speaking the truth, and fighting for what rightfully belongs to me, then I'm a 3x OG tribalist..

Why do you guys want Lagos so bad??

Lol I don't want Lagos, I have NYC
The sad thing is when you step back and look at Lagos' counterparts in other countries, Nigerians have been cheated by a mile

In the land of the blind the one eyed man is King.

shymmex: Bwahahahahaha
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The Aworis run the show because the other Yoruba subgroups are 'bi-costal' (in two states)...

The Egbas/Ijebus don't really care about the power struggle with the in Lagos because they both run Ogun state as well... So, I guess that's why Aworis run the show in Lagos..

But Igbos will NEVER rule Lagos, write it down..

The non tribalist tribalist has arrived lol

See insult this thread was DOA.

nagoma: Ranch farming is the way forward but herdsmen are not the armed robbers and you know it.
If Fulani herdsmen are raping your women we would have seen more beautiful children from that end. So it's a lie.

What a disgusting thing to say. God I wonder for some of you folks. After the blasé attitude towards rape the insinuation that Fulani men are gods gift to the world like you guys don't have some ugly fuglies in your group is just icing on the cake.

The irony is that you are one of the "educated" ones, what a waste of good money.

namfav: do you support the victimization, persecution and genocide which we see today against herdsmen?

Do you support the killing of innocent men, women, and children all because they wanted to protect what they worked hard for what they produced?

Because if you are honest you would admit that going on to private property and destroying someone's crops is a crime in most societies. In the US a farmer would have total justification for immobilizing a tresspasser, and that is the "evil west".

Does that mean I support the killing of the Fulani cattle herders? No, but they are as guilty as the people who attacked them. Respect people's property and 9 times out of 10 most people will leave you alone.

Do the Fulani ask farmers for permission to graze? Or apologize when their cattle mistakenly eat someone's crops? Try to make ammends? It's amazing how if you appologize for an error on your part people will be more willing to forgive and work with you. If you think it's going to work in reverse where you eat a person's crops and then they are willing to negotiate you are not being serious.

You keep saying that people attack the Fulani herders before they even destroy farmer's crops, but do you honestly think with the way things are going that people will not start to treat Fulani that way in their community? Instead of waiting for them to destroy their crops people will chase them out or even kill them, because that's what the Fulani are becoming known for (destroying property).

odumchi: @ Zeruchi and Crayola

Superb job!

Nsibidi is an important part of the religious and political structures of the people's occupying the Cross River region. I have recognized some of these pictograms as those painted on the ekpe meeting hall in my village in Arochukwu. The ironic thing is that the ekpe secret society has a strict secrecy policy but yet the type of information you posted still finds a way to get leaked.

I like the idea that you guys have. However, making Nsibidi script the replacement for Latin script in Igboland (and adjacent lands) seems thoroughly impractical. Nsibidi is much more complex than the Latin alphabet and is still an integral part of Cross Riverian ekpe secret societies. Imagine the type of cultural upheaval that would result in making such revered arts widely known?

Crayola1 and I are the same lol spambot got me for posting too much at one time.
Actually in one of the post I put up the author of the blog mentions the fact that the script is still used by secret societies and that he will do his best to avoid those scripts.
Also like you said Nsibiri is not as handy so the guy is developing a shorthand called Akagu which is simplied characters more practical for everyday use.
I just haven't gotten around to posting that part yet. Akagu is also similar to Katana (Japanese script) that is used for foreign words.

I'll post that stuff soon enough

shymmex: I see anger all over the thread... Bwahahahaha

The last time I checked the thread is about Igbo, and Hausa. If you want to get other cultures involved, create another thread for that... There is no harm in having a discourse, and learning from other people..

And the blame game continues...................................................

I'm not blaming I'm declaring

Malawian: @ Dudu, when you dig up yoruba script, i will hail you. Your problem probably is that your claims that yorubas are the most literate tribe in the country is under threat by this script. FYI, such scripts have been found in virginia usa and is said to have been from igbo slaves brought there. Lemme tell you what you are dreading to hear; while igbos were already reading and writting from antiquity, your tribe was busy trying to figure out how to cook Yoruba stop hatting igbos and humble yourselves to learn from us cos we are special people!

I think it was the comparison to Egyptian script that got to him

No Igbo people did not come from Egypt Nts_Negro, but it is interesting to note the similarities in the script which some academic did

Go easy, Its not that serious I don't know why he got upset but no need to play the tribal game

I don't know, but I would take it in stride. You must be doing something right if your name is never far from people's lips for everything

shymmex: Is the wooly hat Igbo, or not??

Yoruba people with western surnames, are either descendants of returnee slaves - or those who have lived most of their lives in the western world.. In Yoruba culture, your surname is connected to your hometown, and your family house...


https://dupsies.com/Dstore/images/DPH350.jpg

I don't know to be honest, I don't look into fashion so much
No first names, not last names.

To be honest its people closer to the Delta region like GEJ who tend to have English names.

shymmex: Saying Igbo has no 'culture' or 'civilization' is just banter.. ... What do you expect me to say when some Igbo posters fond of making fun of Oduduwa, the progenitor of Yoruba race??

But it can be argued that Igbos never had a homogeneous/central civilization like other well known civilizations around the world, but that's a topic for another day...

Back to your question - one can argue that the red wooly hat Igbos wear as part of their culture is western.. Also, most Igbos tend to have English names - and the language has also been comprised.

I hold you to that

Well it served them well, it was the last part of Nigeria to be under British rule and the scene of one of the longest campaigns by the British to assert their complete dominance (31 years to be exact8))

"One can argue" is the point of contention, I've seen photos of Igbo women with mow-hawk hairstyles in the very distant past, but the hairstyle is considered a western so which came first

In addition to an Igbo name, its common to have an Igbo first or Middle name and an English name I've met Yoruba people with the same, other etnicities around the world do the same.

So I'm going to need some more evidence

shymmex: Interesting debate so far...

But being a neutral party, who have mingled with both sides - I think Igbos are most westernized Nigerians..

There's no logic in trying to argue against Islamic influence on the Fulani culture because they're intertwined - and the Fulani 'Civilization' in Nigeria was built on jihad and Islam... Igbos on the other hand had a separate culture and civilization before the first white man got to the shores of Nigeria.. Substituting part of your culture for the western culture shows that your culture isn't pure, and it has been compromised... But you can't talk about Fulani culture in Nigeria without Uthman Dan Fodio - and we all know what he was famous/infamous for.

Can we have an example of this Western behavior? An example I can hold on to? Because right now I'm trying to build a point on a vague concept of "alleged westerness" when no one has said what it is that constitutes Westerness?

Speaking English?

And though this is a different argument all together, are you not among the folks who claim the Igbo had no culture or civilization Lol I do remember some of the things you guys say in passing even if you don't.

Fulaman198: I don't know about that, the Igbo I have come across seem to try to show "high-class" and give off the image that they are rich, well-off and educated (which they are without a doubt), but why do they have to boast about it?

Because they have the right to? God gave us all that right You are welcomed to invest in earplugs or have an Ipod on stand-by if its too over the top

Fulaman198: lol well you are right I do, but I don't act Westernized like some Nigerians I have come across. When they have an education they flaunt it, but what good does it do them? Then they forget the culture they were raised in which taught them to be humble and show modesty and go about in their Lexus, BMW or Mercedes and pretend they don't speak their native tongue. It is sickening to me

Hey, if you don't want to let people know you worked hard for your degree that's your prerogative
Well like I said celebration of the individual's achievement is part and parcel of Igbo culture long before the first European set foot on what is now Nigeria.

Fulaman198: You do know there are two groups of Nigerian fulani right?

There are the Rimbe and Rimaybe

That is to say the Rimaybe are the ones who share culture similar to that of the Wodaabe since they are both Mbororo.

The Rimbe (people who are not nomadic Fulani and are sedentary) don't have culture similar to the Wodaabe but more in-tune with the Hausa. However, they can still speak Fulfulde.

But from your own admission the sedentary Fulani look down on them and by extension their tradition because its the nomadic Fulani who are closer to what pre-Islamic Fulani were like

Fulaman198: It is without a doubt that more and more people are being affected by Western culture

However it is our duty to not let it affect us and preserve our culture(s).

Lol the fact you are typing to me in English means you have been infected with the Western bug
You went to a school that taught western curiculum including English and most likely have a college education..in bum bum bum...a Western class

Oh no you are going to have a craving for burgers and fries

Fulaman198: You have got to be joking...

What about the Gerewol? That is the most Famous Fulani ceremony, it has nothing to do with Islam

What about the Worso or the Cure Salee?

We are talking about Fulani Nigerians, don't try to drag your friends from all over and drag it out as Nigerian Fulani culture. And I know you didn't drag the Woodobe who are looked down on by, ironically Fulani Nigerians

Fulaman198: Chinese are not quite as Westernized as their fellow Asian Japanese and South Korean counterparts. India which is also doing well is hard to say whether or not it is Westernized. I use what they portray on their media to depict their culture to determine whether they are Westernized.

I mean what is this: http://articles.entertainmentinghana.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/p-square2.jpg

How do they look any different from African Americans?

You mean the Chinese who buying Western labels left and right

Of course its hard to tell if Indians are Western are not for you, they are not Igbo

And they show a lot of things from the West

I just saw a video of two Hausa guys dressed in the same stuff and rapping on youtube I guess Hausa people have been infected too? After being infected by the Middle East disease first

Fulaman198: Let me educate you then, Fulani pre-colonization have not changed their culture at all one bit. We have an identity, we call it Pulaagu (Tabital Pulaagu). However, Igbos are most definitely not the same since the inception of modern technology and Western ideals being brought to West Africa. Igbos are far more Westernized now than they are African.

Once again name a ceremony by Fulani people that is not tied to Islamic religion, here I'll even give you one for Igbo people.

Despite being Christian, the New Yam festival is held along with the masquerades for the Gods who bless the people with a good harvest. The outfits are similar to the ones wore centuries ago and the "Gods" are being celebrated.

Tell us what makes one African ?

Pagan9JA begs to differ with you on your assertions though

Fulaman198: Now I a beginning to think you are taking my words out of context.

First and foremost, education <> tradition. Getting a Ph.D. in a WESTERN or Western education is nothing to brag about. Bragging about it even more makes you look less humble. Humility is a problem I see with many Igbo people. They talk about their riches, what they have, the nice cars they drive etc.

Do you go to the grave with these things? I want you to amount to something, seeing that you are a fellow Nigerian I want you to be successful in the way you find success.

However, I don't like it when Nigerians go about flaunting what they have (usually they are Igbos), it makes other Nigerians look as if they are not humble.

How does getting a Ph.D. or speaking top-notch English make one more Igbo or more Nigerian? Yes, in Nigeria education is important, but what is it doing for the people in the entire country when most Nigerians are leaving home to Oyibo mans land?

No I'm repeating what you said, maybe its the context you are using that is poor

My friend we live in global economy tradition can only carry one so far, and Indians and Chinese seek out education even more than Nigerians are they too Western as well? And they will celebrate when they get that degree too, because not every person has the talent to become an engineer, lawyer. or doctor. So what exactly do you want them to learn? African studies only? And only in a Nigerian institution of education?

Well I guess Igbo people will just have to die off the face of the Earth en-mass because traditionally the celebration of and individual achievements is part and parcel of the culture. What you see as bragging is acknowledgement that this person worked their behind off to get where they are, it wasn't luck, magic, or godfatherism that got them there.

No, but those things mean I'll have a much easier trip to the grave than most. Money is not everything, but you do need it.

Well Igbo people are not the only Nigerians and not the only ones that flaunt their wealth. An expensive store in the UK recently put up signs in Hausa because Hausa customers spend a lot in their store, are they flaunting their wealth too much too?

Getting a Ph.D means you have gone farther than most which is an accomplishment.
Well when Nigeria the country you live in decides that English should not be its official language then come back to me. Its the Nigerian government that wants Nigerians to be fluent in English not Igbo people.

So you think Nigerians being uneducated will solve Nigeria's problems?
The problem is that the leaders of Nigeria fall into two groups: bumbling idiots who never saw the four walls of the school house and literate idiots who think that all there is to being educated is to get a degree

Education is not inherently bad, and in a world where people of African descent are consider the runt of the litter its the only thing that gives us equal footing.

Fulaman198: Maybe I'm a bit biased, but it is usually those who are outside ones culture who isn't biast.

I call things as they are. I try to be fair, when I say those "Fulani" in NorthWest Nigeria who only speak Hausa call themselves Fulani, I don't consider them Fulani since they can't speak the language and they are Hausanized. That is being fair, I can not consider them Fulani even if they might have Fulani blood, because they know nothing about Fulani culture and only Hausa culture. I have no hatred towards them, I just don't consider them Fulani.

When I "accuse" Igbos of being a certain way, it is not that I harbour any form of hatred for them, I just wish Igbos would behave a bit more "African" and less European/American.

A bit? I see your are not being humble there

I will never say I'm not biased but not to the degree you are dear. You said you couldn't find anything on Youtube which is a lie, a bold one at that.

Who are you to consider who is what? Not only are biased but you are intra-biased, well done you are going for the gold

Yes, yes you do don't lie we are all friends here.What is African? Please do tell us? Boy the bull you hear online Educate us what is African?

Fulaman198: Would you care to link some that are recent within the last 10 years besides Dim Oma?

Because I find that very hard to believe, you can call me a liar, I don't care. I am calling things as is. Igbos are into Western media and not showing humility.

Who brags about how educated they are? A Fulani man or woman with a Ph.D. wouldn't even mention it. That has nothing to do with character or Moral. A Fulani person doesn't believe in Western material things. An Igbo person will flaunt what they have to the very end and boast (Igbo Kwenu).

I'm not linking anything because its clear you are biased I'm talking in general and you are being very specific. But anyway there are hundreds of videos of Igbo dances and ceremonies, which is what I'm referring to. Flavour who is on nearly every artist track these days sings majority Igbo

I know you don't care, because then you would have to admit to being biased

Now Igbo are not humble too? What next Igbo people only take showers every 3 years?

Personally, if I have a Ph.D I will let people know, I worked my behind off for over a decade and not want people to know? What nonsense. I guess professionals in America/India/Japan/China/etc are not humble because they have clearly stated on their business cards and nametags their level of education My doctor should remove his degree from his walls and remove the MD from his name plate

Well I believe in Islam one is not to judge his fellow man but you must have missed that lesson

And that's good for them, if I work hard for something I want the world to know especially the people (like you) who thought I would never amount to anything. I think is much better than flaunting your wealth while others are dirt poor like Northern Nigerian elite and politicians are fond to do (and we know many of them did not work for it)

nnenna.1:
Did you do a youtube search like I told you? Achikolo, ogene, atilogu dances, Masquerades, etc? You didn't see those? If you don't know anything about igbo culture, Ask! Don't make snide comments or assume.

He says he's not biased but his statement speaks volumes, he pretty much outed himself
And I personally detest lazy people so my only advise for him is to type Igbo into Youtube and go from there

shymmex: I'm a realist, and not the type to endear myself to people, neither am I here to please everybody...

You do you as well...

Back to the topic.

PS: I'm enjoying the topic, and I've learned a lot without the blame game, and superiority complex exhibited by the other crazy poster..

Oh is that what not having morals or principals is being called now
You worry about pleasing others when its clear you can't please yourself, a man without convictions is not much of a man in my opinion He will quickly sell you out for a few coins...

I always do me, I'm not a fair weather person

Are you sure that other poster is not you, with all your aliases you might be insulting yourself