₦airaland Forum

Fulaman198: It is like me saying Southern and Igbo are the same thing when they are not. Yoruba who live in the south are keeping their culture more so than Igbos. I am for Africans keeping their culture, not adopting someone elses. I can list a lot of traditional Yoruba videos on youtube, can't say the same for Igbos.

Then I know you are quite the liar because Youtube has tons of traditional Igbo ceremonies and dances old and recent

Zeruchi :
Fulaman198 we are talking about the Fulani of Nigeria only

Fulaman198: That is rubbish, it is well known that Fulani have assimilated to others cultures better than most Ethnic groups in West Africa.

Look at Fulani who "conquered" Hausa, what language are they speaking? They are speaking the language of the conquered.

I can say how are you in Igbo (Kedu? Kekime?) can you say how are you in Fulfulde?

What about the Fulani who are in Yoruba land of Illorin? Are they still speaking Fulfulde, so don't give me such rubbish sir

Actually no you don't which is part of the reason why there is a strong antagonistic relationship between the Fulani and Hausa in Nigeria, the Hausa being the ones that fled during Dan Fodio's Jihad. In many cases the history of the Fulani has been of conquest, and in the cases they couldn't take over completely they settle for cozying up to the group that would improve their fortunes.

Like I said, there are more Yoruba there so at best you become buddy buddy and work from there

If they settled well with others then why are they part and parcel of Boko Haram (Not all Fulani, but some are members of the group)? Because those guys are the height of tolerance

The irony is that many people in the North welcomed British administration because of some of the behavior of the Fulani towards the other Northerners (if you want I can get you a source for that )

Anyone who watches a Nollywood film can say Kedu I'm not Nigerian, but if I spent time with Fulani/Hausa/Igbo/Yoruba/etc people I would learn some of the language as well as the culture

But come on be honest you know most Fulani people are not know; knowledgeable of Igbo, but many Igbo businessmen have a degree of fluency in Hausa and even Fulfide in order to do business

Fulaman198 we are talking about the Fulani of Nigeria only

afam4eva: The problem I have with some of you is that you always pretend that this tribal BS is one-sideed which you know is very far from the truth. I will not deny that their are Igbo tribalists on nairaland just as there are Yoruba tribalists. But you alwayts want to focus on one side of the coins and you call yourself a one-nigerian. Always speak the truth irrespective of which tribe is been molested and continue with your unity gospel. That's if you're really sincere about it.

Afam bu Afam

Very true, I will never say that there are not Igbo tribalists that go out of their way to start trouble and you have every right to fight fire with fire, but for those who claim to be "above the fray" ignore the idiots from all sides and show folks that there are Nigerians who do not believe in stereotypes and deal with each people of all backgrounds as objectively as they can.

shymmex: I could care less if you call me a tribalist, or not... But tell your fellow Igbo guys to stop stalking me, and I would go about my business without being confrontational...

How is saying you admire a particular group of people on a thread about them stalker-ish?? You're not even making sense at all..

Preach your gospel to odenigro aroli, logic mind, andre uweh, acm10, noiseless, and the other pseudo-igbo SNs - and maybe then, most posters won't worry about Igbos...

Well I'm glad you take your title in stride I'm not a parent and you are a big boy so tell whoever is stalking you to stop
You do it nearly in every thread, its a bit creepy, but I'm sure you think its endearing

I'm not a preacher either, but you fance yourself as one with your spaming of quotes and claims of being de-tribalised and then 10 minutes later say tribalistic things but you do you dear

shymmex: ^^^^It's funny how you're so quick to play the blame game when it comes to your tribe..

The biggest stalkers on NL are igbo people - and that's a FACT!!

Maybe, if igbo people can learn to mind their business, stop stalking other people, and stop moaning about other tribes and their 'alleged' betrayal of the igbo - most people won't give a fvck about Igbo... Don't you think if other people care about Igbo that much - the migration pattern in Nigeria, would be to the East, and not the other way round??

Interesting thread, and kudos to the Fulani guy for standing his ground... Don't let them bully you into submission - you're the lone Fulani voice on the NL..

Comming from the off again on again Tribalist

You are just made that the boys in the Politics section called you out on you bull
So when you mention you love Igbo women in every other thread that doesn't come off a bit stalker-ish?
Well if people can remember than the internet and the real world are two different places they would be better for it

Too bad Nigerians don't care about Nigeria too much because many are everywhere but Nigeria But that is neither here nor there

To be honest he didn't stand his ground because he gave me one paltry list of names and side stepped my question on cultural events completely

Diagram of what Nsibiri would look like on a Building
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Compounds
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Directions/Coordinates
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Street Sign
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That's what I have been trying to tell him lol. I don't know if he once was maltreated by an Igbo person but I always find it funny that the few Fulani/Northern people seem to have great insight on Igbo culture more so that Igbo people. Even when every group is bad mouthing them they are quick to single out Igbo people and direct the bulk of their scorn towards them, which ironically are the group of people more willing than most to learn any and every language in Nigeria without feeling any language is beneath them. I would bet their are more Igbo Fulfide speakers than Fulani Igbo speakers because Igbo people will learn whatever to do business and relate with the people that cohabitate with them.

I will not say that Igbo people have not taking things from Western culture but they are no more Westernized than their Southern neighbors.

Obiagu1: Do they want me to start writing like the Chinese?

Lol no, but in order to create new words symbols must be combined like Chinese and Japanese do. But at times I do see where one can wonder if this is Igbo or Japanese

Dudu_Negro: You guys need to stop deceiving yourself. This is one of the many projects championed by Chinua Achebe to raise the historical value and age of the Igbo clans in antiquity.

Every culture of people in Africa had symbols and inscriptions in ancient times. Tattoos, house paintings, tie-dyed clothings, batiks and adire. . .these were all artifacts of writings and communication. So nothing unique or special about nsibidi that other cultures lacked. However, it is worth commending that Mr Achebe has made good progress to revive and create a new way of communicating for your clans. It is hoped that you can standardize and develop it into something exclusive to your ethnic group.

What are you talking about?

Achebe has nothing to do with this nor has he ever mentioned Nsibiri, he has mentioned being against attempts to forcefully standardize the Igbo language or suggesting that one version of Igbo should be the standard (which has allowed other dialects to continue but as a consequence prohibits groups from being to always understand each other)

And furthermore no one ever claimed that other cultures did not have writing or symbols that depicted though, Vai exists in Liberia, the Benin Empire had its own script, and so did the Sokoto Caliphate which took Arabic and created Ajami. The South East had Nsibiri, the only difference is that the fact that secret societies as well as recordings by missionaries and others has allowed the script to not fade into obscurity so that this blogger can build upon it. Benin wrote their script on the ground from what I know which is prone to destruction without upkeep and we will never know the full extent of what was lost during the British Expedition.

From your tone I detect a hint of jealousy, if you are willing to do the research I'm sure you can find and equivalent for the Yoruba people no need to deride the people for the East for having easier access to their own.

Further more Nsibiri if you actually read what I posted is not exclusive to anyone group, hence the title South Eastern People which includes Igbo, Ibibio, Efik, and other related groups. Nsibiri was as close to a common "language" in the region with minor variations reflecting the ethnic group who was using it.

Please remove the chip off your shoulder and study the history and culture of your country. I have no problem going through the Benin and Yoruba art threads so what is your excuse?

Anyway I'm not interested in your response I just wanted to put you on notice that your major case of shade is not going unnoticed

Fulaman198: Fulani people do not favour Middle Eastern culture, you are well mis-informed. Fulani people are being mistreated by Arabs in Mauritania and Sudan so why should we favour them? In fact, many Fulani in Senegal and Mauritania are fighting for their rights on a consistent basis against Arabs. If by Middle Eastern you mean "Arab", then the only thing we have in common with them is religion.

For your information, your Christianity is a "Middle Eastern" religion too. So don't give me that rubbish. You don't see Fulani people speaking English with pride or French with pride. We prefer to speak African languages, whether it is our own or that of neighbouring peoples. We are not wannabe Europeans like some Igbos want to be. Where when they get together they only speak 75% English and 25% Igbo.

There is nothing Middle Eastern about Fulani culture.

The problem with that analogy is that Nigerians face prejudice in the West so does that negate the fact that they do have some commonality with Westerners?
Yes I'm quite aware of Christianity's origins as well as the fact that Islam is the youngest of th Abrahamaic faiths, but for all purposes Christianity is no longer seen as being rooted solely in the ME like Judaism or Islam.

You also don't see a large amount of Fulani receiving education either so I don't see how you expect them to be fluent in it. Fulanis in other WA countries are fluent in their Native toungue as well as French so I don't see what pride has to do with being fluent in your country's official language in addition to your own. What utter bull don't blame lack of education as pride, Igbo people outnumber Fulani in school 3-to-1 so part of that means a degree of English literacy. Lol this coming from the folks who have Arab names full stop, there was a thread for Hausa- Fulani names and most people were stumped because in most cases the people they came in contact with were Arab names. I reiterate that other groups that are Muslim have no problem converting local equivalents of Islamic names even the Igbo you so deride do the same with Christian names or meanings having an Igbo equivalent.

Name one thing about your culture that isn't tied to Islam in some form? Do you still practice pre-Islamic traditions? Tell me one ceremonial completely seperate from Islam practiced today.
Even Senegalese Muslim retain a degree of pre-Islamic culture.

What is god called by the Fulani? I ask because you seem to have a special hard on for Igbo people and in effect display your ignorance about Igbo people, but seem to bristle at the fact people call Fulani culture like they see it?

Fulaman198: It is not that Hausa can not speak English, it is that Hausa believe in their own tradition and keeping to their culture more rather than adopting a Westernized culture like Igbos do.

Its unfortunate that my opinion of Fulani people is based solely on the internet, the few I've seen (including you) do more,for lack of a better word, to make folks dislike Fulani people. I have no idea why you have to pull out Igbo people in some bizarre measuring stick every time, when the fact of the matter is that your people heavily favor Middle Eastern culture more so than Igbo people favor Western culture no one who is honest will deny that even if an Igbo has a English name tacked on and Igbo name still exist while the only Muslim group I've seen that converts Arabic names into a local flavor are Yoruba.

To think that your group is so few in number online but the ones I meet often leave a bad taste in my mouth and they are the so called "worldly" ones. I only know of one Hausa/Fulani/etc person that seems more well rounded in approach and not lock step in thought.

Anyway my two cents.

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Anansi book cover
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kwangi: how does one go about learnin g this 'cos i'm interested. I mean classroom or any kind of real life tuition. I dont think the internet will cut it for me. Interactiveness is fundamental.

You can go to these sites

http://nsibiri..com/
http://nsibidi.wikia.com/wiki/Nsibidi_Wiki

To see a frequently updated dictionary as well as the blog to see how the characters are put together to make readable sentances

Dudu_Negro: Interesting!! I see where you said it was before contact with white people but did this method of writing and communication continue after the arrival of the white man?

Among the general population no, but it still exists in secret societies.

Nsibiri (rough) list (Dictionary)
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/63616534/Ikpo-Nsibidi-Dictionary

Ọwụwa Ụwa Òzọ - Anaéto abụzíala nkwákpụ (Movie Poster)
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Names
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Kwụ sị
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Time
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No parking
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Abia tower
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Happy Birthday
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Nsibiri conjunctions 2
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Character Sheet 2
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Enugu
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I looked for nsibidi for "above/top" and "hill" and could not find any. I decided that from previous radicals in nsibidi, that the simple 'I' shaped radical could be used to depict a hill or a mountain and from these I forged these two characters meaning 'top' and 'hill'. These characters may change if I find out there are characters for 'hill' and 'top/above'.

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Restaurant
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Igbo
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Chí
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Middle + Fire/energy + Top + Land/Life = Chí

Note - 18 March 2011:
I understand that 'Chí' is a very abstract concept in Igbo culture (among many things), and this character was created to capture the basic "idea" of Chi. Many concepts in Igbo culture may not be able to be explained with words. The characters that will be created do not intend to add any meaning to the concepts, but to create a character that is, in a basic form, relevant to the concept as has been done with old nsibidi. Nsibidi characters used to import words into nsibidi writing will not attempt to explain the complete purpose of the concept it represents, but, instead, to roughly rationalise its use as a representative of that word. A circle with strokes around it will not explain the role of the sun in photosynthesis. Thanks for bringing this to my attention so I could explain.

Scholarly Comparison between Egyptian writing and Nsibiri
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From 'General History of Africa: Methodology and African prehistory', (1981) University of California Press.

Umuahia
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My hometown. Child in a house = household = children = úmù + Ahiá = market >
Umuahia.
I actually saw an original copy of a symbol where children were in a house which is where I got children from.

Idemili
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Symbol for Idemili, which literally means "pillar (represented by the symbols on the side) of water (represented by the symbol in the middle)"

Diary Entry
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