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Nigerians just Fight over the most stupid of things... smh

First, what are their ages?

Second, how can you be comparing a neutral picture of a woman in a natural state (talking unguarded) to a delibrate professional picture of another woman with heavy make up?

Liberty90:
Look yorubaa too.

Not really. Can’t you even see the typical Aboki raskamono way they are dressed?

Although that one sitting in the middle wearing green looks “Heebo-ish” so much. He might be your long lost Ebonyi or Enugu cousin.

lol these boys look Hausa-ish

Taraba ke?

Nowenuse:
The Maigari of Lokoja is subject to the Etsu Nupe Bida. He is more of a Nupe king in a Nupe speaking settlement than he is Hausa.

But na waa o.
Why did the Nupes allow Hausa customs and mannerisms to erase so much of their uniqueness like this?
I always knew the Hausa talk in Lokoja was all Bullshit anyways.

Trottle:
I agree with your assertion. But the question is why are Yoruba sub-groups always added to the Yoruba nation, but that of the Nupes is being deliberately relegated, from the colonial daysdays to this present day?

Who is separating them?

look at the Bassa Nges for example, their territory is not contiguous with the rest of nupeland.
the Kakandas too are quite far off from kin Nupe and the only access they have is a river link to Baro from where there they actually migrated downstream, nothing more.

All the other groups are known to outsiders as Nupe only. Only Nupe people actually even know that they usually separate themselves.
Certainly not the fault of the outsiders.

The Nupe of Nigeria inhabit the "low basin formed by the valleys of the Niger and Kaduna rivers, between 9ºE 30' & 8ºE 30' north." They occupy an estimated total land area of about 7,000 square miles. With reference to a modern map of Nigeria, Nadel delineates Nupe's southern boundary to be a line drawn from Leaba, on the Niger, eastward to Kataeregi marks the northern boundary of Nupe land, another line drawn eastward from Shari (or Tsaragi) to Abugi and on to the Niger south of Baro ....

The Niger, flowing almost straight north-south between Leaba and Jebba divides Nupe country from Yoruba in the west; the slowly rising country, east of Lapai and Gidi, sloping upward towards the hills of Gbari country, forms the eastern boundary of Nupe.

http://scientiamilitaria.journals.ac.za/pub/article/view/151

That shows you that the Yoruba country on the East side of the Upper Ogun forest reserve axis actually terminates at the banks of the Niger

Trottle:
Even the name "Yoruba" is a British invention to join various ethnicities with similar cultures and linguistic similarities together. The same applies to the other "Super-tribes".

I can say the same about Nupe that is not even a "super tribe" and conclude that the Dibos are not nupe, the Kakandas are not Nupe, Kupas aren't Nupe as well, Gupa, etc. Because all these groups have their different peculiarities.
So you see.

Fearlez:
They have done so when they proposed for Anioma state with Onitsha as the head quarters which would have expanded Igbo geopolitical tentacles seamlessly into Niger-delta but Delta state was created instead!

Na lie.
Igbos sabotaged Anioma state creation and decided to go for the creation of Ebonyi state in the SE instead.lol
You can't ie to us.

Besides an Anioma state was not supposed to be in the Political south but rather, added to the SE as an additional state.

Trottle:
We are still running in circles here.

Jebba was originally founded as a Nupe settlement and had remained so right unto Colonial times. But in the immediate post-Colonial era, after the White man singularly created a Yoruba race out of thin air... (Abdullahi and Ndace, nd).

Excerpt from "the Makers of Nupe"

Yoruba race was not created out of "Thin air"
There were strong sociolinguistic factors and ethno cultural elements that determined what clans were Yoruba and what clans were not.
Okene to Kabba or Akoko land inOndo state is less than 20 minutes on keke, yet the colonial masters did not label the Egbiras as Yoruba.

Trottle:
Did you spent at up to two weeks to explore

Below is a screenshot form Yahaya (2003):

There are a few reasons why I can't take this list serious.

For Example look at Koton Karfe that is quoted to be a Nupe town, eve though everyone knows that the town is Aboriginal to the Egbira Koto and is ruled by an Ohimege.

Trottle:
The LGA is an oversight from my part. Yoruba is not the only language the speak. The perspective I'm coming from is that Jebba is traditionally a Nupe town. Obviously, the world is becoming very diverse, and Jebba is not ab exception.

"All cultural traits of the Igbomina people portray them as Yoruba. Although under colonial rule they were partitioned to the North and South, they still remained either in the Yoruba provinces of the South or in the Southern part of the Northern provinces–contiguous to
the Yoruba provinces.

Today, they occupy Irepodun, Ifelodun and Isin Local Government Areas of Kwara State. There are few Igbomina towns in what is now Osun State. These include Ila-Orangun Oke-Ila and Ora Igbomina. Jebba- South is also Igbomina, although the population is now mixed. Towns like Iponrin, Lanwa, Ayetoro–Ile and Agbeyangi that are now in Ilorin East Local Government Area of Kwara State are all Igbomina

www.academicjournals.org/article/article1381857172_Ibiloye.pdf

Anyways, in a plebiscite , shebi it is the native people that will vote abi?
No need to argue over something that the Jebbans themselves will decide.

You know Yorubas are not known for "land grabbing" tendencies. We call Jebba the last Yoruba town before Oke Oya (Northern) for a reason, the claim is not baseless brother.

Trottle:
Jebba is Moro LGA so?
A town being in an LGA dominated by an ethnic group does not strip it from its identity. Take for instance, Tsaragi is in Edu LGA and Tsare (share) is in Ifedlodun LGA but the two town are divided by a very narrow road.

AUTHORITATIVELY??
Are you an historian in any field(Anthropology, Sociology, African studies etc) or have you published books that takes talks about these two towns. Or you've only lived there for some years or at worst a decade and you depend on heresay from just abt source?

Sir, please respond accordingly thanks.

Kwaran Jebba is NOT in Moro, it is in Ifelodun.
Yoruba is what they speak, Nupe migrants there from across the Niger and from Edu speak Nupe or both.
The Pako-Jebba (Kwara side) are Yorubas and speak Yoruba. Neither do they have an Etsu like all the other traditional Nupe settleents around.

Only Jebba Niger (Mokwa L.G.A ) have a community head that is an Etsu Yankpa in person of Tetengi Mohammed.
The Kwaran Jebba have their Oba in like manner.

Trottle:
Since you don't want to act civil without name calling and other disgusting act, let me school you a bit (even if you are my grand pa's age)!

Jebba is a Nupe town, and the name Jebba is an anglicized Nupe word which originally is "Ejeba" which means; a place where river/stream flows.

Check this out:

"Jebba, town, Kwara state, western Nigeria. It lies on the south bank and at the natural head of navigation of the Niger River, 550 miles (885 km) from the sea. It is populated by the predominantly Muslim Nupe people, whose kingdom, refounded by Tsoede, flourished in the region in the early 16th century. From this period date the noted Jebba bronzes. The island of Jebba in the Niger River still retains a traditional Nupe settlement."(Britannica, 2017).

The "Oba" is an invention which is a century old or less, and it is closely linked with the anti-Nupe colonial master Frederick Lugard and the capitalist Goldie of the Royal Niger Company. Though, other machinations are involved.

Before I forget, predominant language in Jebba is the NUPE language.

Sir, don't think we are all high school kids here or tribal warlords here. Peace.

I know there are two Jebbas, Jebba North is in Niger, and Jebba is in Kwara.
The Kwara Jebba in Ifelodun local government, Yoruba is what I know to be the predominant language there. The Jebba in Kwara could have verry well been added by the Kwara state Government or the FG to EDU local government, lafiagi- with which they share a border at Bacita and Shonga, but it remains in Ifelodun for linguistic and cultural reasons, which is that they are not Nupes.
btw, How was Lugard Anti Nupe? care to explain that part?

ehikwe22:
tell an Edo man to be part of your Odua republic and he will remind you about what led to the creation of Midwest. It's almost like a rehearsed answer because that's what most of them say. It's not an option to them. Don't fool yourself.

So, that is why they will be part of Biafra?
You are funny.

durentchigozie:
eyah. His fellow tiger clawed ofe mmanu have started dropping likes.

Keep lookin like black pigs.

lol, ugly thing.
I pity you.

durentchigozie:
Afonjas are good but verrrrryyy ugly people.

Tufia

So, tell us who is the Verrrrryyy ugly person in the entire set of pictures above
I would rather look like any of the above people than be a hairy chest beating Igbo descendant of apes from Anambra or Abia.

Come fight me, I dey my house.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4279/35305345822_d6427c39eb_n.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4260/35085838060_532062d5db_o.jpg
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fratermathy:
See as he stylishly avoided talking about Urhobo/Isoko and went to pitch his tent with Ijaw instead.

The Urhobos/Isokos DO NOT trace their origin to Israel! That is an aberration! Urhobo doesn't derive from any Hebrew bullsh*t. Origin remains the same in all Urhobo polity: we are from Aka. Efiks/Ibibios DO NOT come from Israel or whatever. They have their origin in Southern Cameroun.

Secondly, the Efiks/Ibibios DON'T in any way look like Igbos. In fact, the Ijaws DON'T look like Igbos at all. How do the Igbos even look like to begin with?
GEJ looks like a typical Ijaw person, not Igbo. He even DRESSES the way Ijaws do. Have you ever seen him on red cap? Does he even wear anything that resembles Igbo?


James Ibori doesn't look Igbo too. He doesn't even talk like one to begin with. If you have ever seen an Urhobo speak, you will NEVER mistake him for Igbo to start with.

Presenting of Kolanuts is not unique to Igbo. It is present across AFRICAN ethnicities. Are they now all Igbos just because they present Kola?

There are NO SINGLE SOURCES (I dare you to provide any) that has ever assumed, implied or inferred that any Southern Minority group is Igbo! NONE whatsoever. So don't pull that stunt here unless you are willing to provide sources. In fact, a quarter of Southern Nigeria was under the BENIN EMPIRE ruled by the Oba of Benin and the people were never referred to as Bini people (which would have made more sense).

So your attempt to balkanise ethnicities into a phantom categorisation in order to suit your reductionist stupidity will NOT work here. Even core, die-hard Igbocentric people have NEVER EVER dared to call even the Efiks/Ibibios as Igbos, talk less of the Urhobos, Ijaws, Edos, Ogonis and Ekois.

There are some ideas that shouldn't be let out from the tribalistic part of your brain where "bright ideas" about other people's ethnicities come from. If you should say things like this in public, you may end up being a pariah (assuming the audience are not minorities, else you may be lynched).

The White colonialists started this rubbish when they called the Ibibio-Annangs "Kwa-Ibos" or sorta like "Quasi Igbo", a very derogatory term for a people with their own culture and history.

Thank God, these days the Ibibios are putting their history of past existence under Igbo hegemony very quickly behind them and forging ahead with their truly found independence as Aka Ibomites. The Efika are doing the same.

You think it is by mistake these Igbos are actively seeking to use "style -style" to bring back the old eastern region and other minorities under the political guise of "Biafra", so that they can culturally colonize them? lol
I pity any minority that falls into that trap.

PrecisionFx:
There are igbos carved Into venue n kogi states, u don't know because u are probably Yoruba who are well known to never travel out.

I have been there and I have met them and I have talked with them.

There are also a number of Igala n idoma communities in enugu and anambra states.


Ifu choose not to read about dem, it's ur wahala.

Good day

Someone thinks he is speaking with a foolish noob, lol.
There are NO Igbo villages in Kogi. Several Igalas have come out to deny it. I am member of their mega forums on Facebook. They say the only things Igbo MAY have in southern Igalaland are farming settlements built by migrant farmers, and that is also the case in Benue.
That is why Agila and still fighting Mgbo in Ebonyi over land and farming resources with till date.

Tell me why odeke, one of the closest Ibaji communities to Anambra had to fight you Igbo people so violently over boundary dispute if Igboland spills into Kogi?
Idoma communities along the Ebonyi and Enugu borders have good relations with their Igbo neighbors and as such also speak Igbo as a language, but using that avenue to claim that their villages are Igboland is just plain treacherous.... And dangerous.

Keep decieving yourselves.

Is this Nigeria or Kenya?

hmm

lol

Noccerino:
The link below should cure your ignorance of the benue igbos
https://www.nairaland.com/2015869/agony-igbos-benue
So that has been the plan all along, u want anioma to remain in delta state because of infrastructure, you are so pathetic, they have applied for anioma state creation and that will be the 6th South East state... U can hug the nearest transformer.

Your nairaland ink is pure rubbish because in the context of boundary adjustment, you will need to mention the name of the towns and villages that need to be moved to the other side. Not just claiming some phantom farmlands and the labourer workers there as Igboland.
If you want parts of Benue to be moved to South East on the basis of them being Igbo, then that is between you and the Idoma/Igede people who claim all those lands as theirs.

To the second part of your statement, I could care less if Anioma join south East, but they will need to pay back the rest of Delta because every public structure in Asaba and environs was built with our money.

Noccerino:
You are a Yoruba man and at the same time an ikwerre man? As for the igbo communities in Benue, u can use Google cos u don't expect me to spoonfeed a grown up like you.
And I hope ilorin is not part of the kwara South u want to move to the SW, those ones are already conquered and must remain under the caliphate.

All of a sudden, you can't mention the names of towns anymore, even though you have been mentioning how Egun is from Burkina Faso and how You want Eche since morning, lol. Now, you want me to go and use google to find the names of phantom towns.
When have you ever seen an Ikwerre person wanting to be South Eastern?

The same person asking me to go and use google didn't find it useful himself to know what is Kwara south.lol. I laugh in Okrika.

And Finally, who told you I am Yoruba? lol
If anioma ever enters South East, and carries all the joint infrastructure in Asaba with them, you Igbos will have to pay the rest of Delta State Billions of Naira used to build that town.

Noccerino:
I totally agree with you
Anioma, Etche, ikwerre, obigbo and benue igbos should also be added to the south east.

Well, if you can list the so called "Benue Igbo" towns that should be moved, why not?
Olukumi villages of delta should be moved into Edo, while Igbanke village of Orhiomwon should be moved into Delta/Anioma.
Itsekiri should also be moved to Edo state, so that the Eddos can have a coast, and also share a state with their half brothers.
Kwara South and Okun land (Kogi West) should also be moved into the South West.

Ikwerre don't wanna join the South East.... there is no argument on that front.

Noccerino:
Egun is a minority in the SouthWest

Ok, Agreed.
Igalas are a minority in Anambra. Olumbanasaa vilages should be ceded to Kogi.
Effium in Ebonyi should be in Benue, while Northern tip of Enugu is majority Idoma.

Cire80:
Oduduwa is an Edo prince and most of the relationship you people have with Edo is from Oduduwa and subsequent interactions. That doesn't mean they would want to be in a country with you. Edos want their country but anything short of that will be Biafra.

First there is no definite PROOF that Oduduwa was an Edo prince, that you are quoting the Benin side of the story doesn't make it true, since that is Benin's version.
2 - You as an Ika can enter Biafra with your Ika communities, but don't be acting like you are now a spokesperson for Benin people.

The fact that Benin People are vehemently against the breaking up of Nigeria because they know that if that happens, they will have to go with Oduduwa. When a referendum for independence occurs to chose between Oodua and Biafra, you honestly think Omorogbe from Benin, Balogun family from Ibillo, Bello from Auchi, and Adesua from Siluko will chose Biafra?
Kwantinuu.

Cire80:
you're talking from a complete outsider/stranger perspective. Did you say Edo is not fond of the Niger Delta stuff? Then you don't know Edo at all. Edo would rather join Biafra than join Oduduwa. Though it might sound weird to you, but I'm telling you now

So you are the Insider that is going to carry Edo into Biafra? lol What is wrong with some of you people? How will Edo fit into the giant Jigsaw puzzle that is Biafra, with their history, almost Godly reverence for their Oba and all that stuff?

Do you know there are Yoruba communities in Ovia North East and Ovia South West? and some other places that speak a Yoruba-Edo mixture?
How about Akoko Edo, Owan, Auchi and all those places?
Edos fit in Oduduwa 80% and nowhere else, even the Edos know it, unless they just want to do small shakara for the Yorubas, like a girl playing hard to get.

Noccerino:
They are a distinct tribe with yoruba influence, simple and short.

Okay, and if they are only one of such in the SW, How does that make the south West Multiethnic?

Mind you, this is the original statement by an Igbo, on which our argument is based on off.

Why should the SE alone be the geopolitical zone in nigeria that have one ethnic group and the remaining 5 geopolitical zones in nigeria have average of 60 ethnic groups each.

Noccerino:
This shows you know absolutely nothing about Egun, Egun have their language which is nothing like yoruba, their names don't even sound yoruba and they don't believe the fell from the sky.

I never said they don't have their language, I said they speak Yoruba, as well as bear Yoruba namesand share close resemblance in ancestral religion etc. Is that wrong?
In some places , they are indistinguishable from Yoruba. Egun communities in Nigeria call their rulers Oba, while those in Benin call their Kings Aholu.

So, you are now the Master of Egun tradition or what? The last part of your statement shows How IGNORANT you are, because Eguns believe in Mawu-Lisa just the same way Yorubas have their Oduduwa. Mawu Lisa is the mother of all Humanity. According to them, Mawu created all things as she was being moved around the primordial earth in the mouth of Ayida Xwedo.

Just concentrate on your igbo affairs biko.