Noccerino:

Egun is one

Eguns are basically Yorubas with a twist from Dahomey.
They were under the Oyo empire for Hundreds of Years, they have deeply intermarried with the Yorubas, They all SPEAK YORUBA language, Bear Yoruba names or a mixture, worship same gods as Yoruba, eat same foods, etc.

Even when you go to Porto Novo, Benin Republic, the Eguns have heavily blended with Yorubas even there as well.

Now How about Igala in Anambra? and Idoma in Enugu?

NwaforIgbo:
The op craftly called all minorities sharing just common boundary with the Yorubas yoruba, while other tribes that not only share boundary with the Igbos, but also speak Igbo language, practice Igbo tradition and have I gbo laws, was regarded as and called bini people.
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LIES! Haba

Which ethnic group that shared common boundary with Yoruba within Nigeria did he call Yoruba? Is it Benin or Nupe or Egbira or Itsekiri or Etsako?

fratermathy:


Ogunu is an Urhobo town, under Agbassa Kingdom.
Ajamimogha and Ugboroke are in Warri City are Itsekiri locales.

The others are communities in the local government. They are not within the metropolitan Warri. They are to Warri, what Okwe and Ibusa are to Asaba (if you are familiar with Asaba).

in that case, all those urhobo settlements that are not in any of the Warri Local Governments can't be considered to be Warri as well.
All those other places I listed are all in Warri South, so they are rightfully Warri.

PrecisionFx:


Awori, Egun Egba,etc all make up the ethnic group called Yoruba.

Yes, but you said it yourself that why is the South East the only Zone that contains one ethnic group, while all the other geopolitical zones are multi ethnic.
That is why I asked you to list the tribes n the SW for us to hear.

These are your own words:

PrecisionFx:

Why should the SE alone be the geopolitical zone in nigeria that have one ethnic group and the remaining 5 geopolitical zones in nigeria have average of 60 ethnic groups each.

I was just trying to tell you how wrong you were.

PrecisionFx:



Mr Afam, I dont have time to go into a shouting/insulting match with you. Just proceed to understand the meaning of the words you used. Fine the Anthropological definition of Ethnic group and Tribe. It will educate u well enough to the extent that you would not need to look for whom to insult.


In this assertion, The IGBOS whose population is over 40 Million have been labelled one ethnic group, But Cross river(less than 4 million people) alone have over 20 ethnic groups. Why should the SE alone be the geopolitical zone in nigeria that have one ethnic group and the remaining 5 geopolitical zones in nigeria have average of 60 ethnic groups each.

An Ethnic Group is a group of tribes.......Digg it.

Its only in nigeria that each village is an ethnic group...

So What are the other significant tribes in the SW?

fratermathy:


I created a thread in 2015 concerning the Warri ownership saga and it even made FP then.

Warri is a very volatile place but let me attempt to present you with some facts:

1. The traditional "Warri" is an Itsekiri enclave and the name seems to be derived from Itsekiri as well.
2. The modern Warri is largely made up of Urhoboland, with some parts of Itsekiriland.
3. The cosmopolitan Warri is 80% Urhoboland (extending to Delta Central LGAs such as Uvwie, Udu and Okpe).
4. The Olu of Warri title has attracted criticisms, litigations, etc between Ijaws (who also occupy riverine Warri areas), Itsekiri and Urhobos.
5. It was finally resolved that the Olu of Warri is JUST a title and he has no hold over Urhobo land or Ijaw land in Warri.
6. Traditional Urhobo homesteads in Warri include: Otovwodo, Ejeba, parts of Okere, Ugberikoko, Ogunu, Iyara, etc.
7. Itsekiri areas in Warri include Upper and Lower Erejuwa, parts of Okere, Ugbuwanugue, parts of Alder's town, NPA area, etc
8. Itsekiris use the term "Warri" to refer to their entire land, including those areas NOT in the city of Warri.
9. Urhobos use Warri to refer ONLY to the Warri City where their land is situated and its adjoining areas. Urhobos have never claimed to own all of Warri but ONLY where their land is located.
10. Both the Urhobos and Itsekiris are MIGRANTS to the Warri area. Itsekiris migrated from Yorubaland while the Urhobos there migrated from Olomu and Agbarha. The time of the migration and who arrived first is a subject of controversy and lost to history.

Who owns the following parts/towns of Warri township:

Ubeji
Ajatiton
Ajamimigha
Ifie
Ugbolokposo
Jalla
Ogunnu
Ugboroke

Aren't these all Itsekiri locales within the actual Warri township?
cc: Efewestern

omenkaLives:
The Indigenous Primates of Biafra (IPOB) won't like this one bit.

Feel like a brawl tonight. Who's game?

Hhahahahahaha!

LWTMB!

Hmmn

Pikin wey dey steal.... may God give us the knowledge of how to deal with such kids in the right way.

Efewestern:


this map is more like linguistic group. (Yoruboid)

No doubt yoruboid extend to SS and NC, but the map is also at fault, the ijaw group in ondo were Map under Yoruba.

what do you think?,

There is a small circle in ondo state with Ijo written in it, they aren't classed under Yoruba.

diezani:
very few people read the narrative. the story fits Ogboni confraternity patten, where a man's eldest son is expected to fill his shoes. on the death of the man, his wife was seen as shielding her children from replacing their dad.
and for those shouting edo this and that, ogboni na Yoruba confraternity.. even alhajis be members

The origin of Ogboni might be Yoruba, but nothing indicates this case is connected to Ogbonis in anyway!
Besides, Ogboni members in Edo are Edo people not Yorubas.

Case closed.

Hweme or Xweme, not Kweme, thanks.

hammer6:
There is something u seem to forget wen talking about Itsekiri.

They are also an Ijoid group. Itsekiri are basically Ijaw mixed with Yoruba.

In itsekiri land, it is common to find ijaw settlement.

Shut your trap there, Itsekiri is an Ijoid group since when?
You are suffering from cognitive dissonance, all in your bid to promote an Igbo agenda.

You are disagreeing with an Ijaw man (Nengibo) in some posts, and also supporting Ijaws against Itsekiris in another post with Efewestern and Onuwaje.

Agent of confusion.

Olu317:
You people have started. It is obvious you are BINI or their apologist, if not, why comparison? Didn't BINI learn everything from ILE IFE? Kindly save that stuff about pride from someone like me from that egocentrism about BINI this, BINI that. This is Urhobo thread and it is quite fascinating reading all these postulation. Don't bring in Yoruba issue into it because it will become messy.

I won't respond to you here in full, because like you said, it is an Urhobo thread. We should let the Urhobos enjoy their thread.
First I am not Benin, nor am I a Benin apologist.... But your insecurity and close mindedness to discussing the natural diversity within Yoruba has has exposed you as a close minded person.

dialect is not the only difference between Eastern and Western Yorubas in case you dont know. There are many others. Oyo Yoruba rely havily on the talking drum in their music for example. Drums drums and more drums everywhere, usually the strap around shoulder ones. If you go to places like Ekiti/Akure, Okitipupa/Ode Idepe/Ode Irele, Idanre etc, you would notice that it isn't all about drums. They have different tempos and genres of music, more Agogos, more diverse drum types, and many instruments I don't even know their English names. In Oyo music, all these are absent.

Like 9jakool also pointed out, their chieftancy and some traditional practices also differs to some extent.

In Owo, we have the Ugbama, Ughare, Igharo (men over 50), Olisagho, Edibo, Ogwamodu.
The first place the owos settled after leaving Ife is called Ugbo Ogwata, also known as Okiti Asegbo (Asegbo Hill).\All these are veery different from what is obtainable in standard Yoruba.
Infact, even Ufe (Ife) dialect is closer to what is obtainable in Ekiti/Ondo/Ijebu/Ijesha/Owe(Kabba)/Ijumu etc, than what it is in Oyo.

A traditional square/hall is called an Ugha....... similar to Iga Iduganran in Lagos (standardized Oyo version).
Look at the Olowo, his hands are placed on two white pieces of clothing and supported by two stewards (odibo), left and right. Does anywhere in the Western Yoruba sphere of culture do that with their Obas?



9jakool, open a thread about the diversity in the customs and traditions of Yoruba clans, and I will join you there.

9jakool:

Just beautiful! You know your stuff. It's almost as if I'm staring at myself in a mirror. I wanted you to keep rambling because your words are just spot on. I've familiarize myself with every corner of Yorubaland including dialects and traditions.

Yes you are right about Owo and Oyo. Do you know the Ologho regalia is different from that of many Yorubas. His regalia is very similar to that of Benin's. The chieftaincy titles are also different from that of Oyo and very similar to Benin's. Owo like other Eastern Yorubas like Ijebu, Ilaje, Ondo, Owe, Oworo, Bunu, etc have so many kinds of local/regional traditional garments and fabrics that are different from the general Yoruba garments and fabrics.

Eastern Yoruba dialects are also very intriguing. In ondo state, some names of towns have been standardized in the Oyo/Ibadan variant of Yoruba. For example
Owo- Ogho
Idanre- Udanrhe
Ile Oluji- Ule Oluji

Other names of towns like Ugbo, Ugbonla, etc have remained unchanged.

I just hope these dialects can continuously be spoken.

You are so right about the variations. Do you know that some Yoruba subgroups don't even have the obaship system or believe in oduduwa?

Yes, the Eastern Yoruba dialects are way older than the Western ones. Oyo even seems to be probably the newest. So many innovations and consonant simplifications.

Gh to W
Gw to W
Ch to S
U to I (At word beginnings)
Nasal ON to UN
Nasal EN to IN
NE to NI

All these might look minor, but when they all come together and manifest in a long sentence , it convulates things a bit.
A word like palace (Oghofen in original form) becomes just Afin in Oyo. Person (One) becomes Eni. Money (Egho) becomes Owo. Etc

An untrained Yoruba ear from Ibadan or Lagos can't understand these dialects, even though they are actually more authentic.

You should visit traditional events in Ondo town, Owo, Or any Ondo state town and see how heavily they bead. Almost like the Benins in many regards. But then, that is not really surprising. Even their music is different.

Listen to these:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_N4itjiS7w


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l-FwFNuNTM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gnh3OwvhyIA

Oyo was a savannah state and was actually part of a zone of active cultural diffusions between the Sudano-Sahelian and savannah West African states. And so, with them came the Agbada which would later spread all over Yorubaland. I just laugh when I hear some Yorubas saying today that Yoruba men don't tie cloth around their torsos. Yes they did tie wrappers, and still do.

Infact it used to be general clothing, but these days, any male who dorns a wrapper-esque clothing is looked upon like some kinf of conc traditionalist/medicine man.

fratermathy:


I meant no harm. I thought I read that somewhere but based on what you've just said, it seems my source is inaccurate. However, I am quite sure that Itsekiri and Olukumi of Delta State are Yoruboids. Even Okpe in Urhobo clan claim to be from Ife. This confirms your theory of outwardly migration from Yorubaland. However, the Yorubas must have come from somewhere. What are your theories?`

The Yorubas and Igalas started out as the same ancestral stock of people, journeying from the lake chad region.
When they got to the Niger benue confluence area, both groups bifurcated. (ie split into two primordial groups).

One group branched to the western part of the confluence and became large and expansive. The other group branched eastern direction of the river and became not so successful. The Western fold are the Yorubas. This arm of the migration spread and grew into various dialects. The Eastern dialects closer to the original point of the spit are the older dialects, while the more westwards you go, the more innovative and recent the dialects get.

Igala preserved one branch of the original language they spoke. The Yorubas, (especially the eastern groups) preserve the other.
Igala however came into contact with some other languages like Jukun infusion of new words (like attah) which took place when they came under Kwararafa territorial ambitions and expansion ,Idoma, and Igbo words (like Abacha and akpu), due to their geographical location close to some of those groups. Yoruba came into contact with mostly nothing. All dialectal variations of their language have been mostly self driven and natural deviations, except again on the South Eastern flank where Itsekiri, Ilaje, Ikale, Ondo, etc came into contact with Benin language.

The Itsekiris themselves are a medley of various southeastern Yoruboid groups like the Ijebus (Ugborodo, Omadino, Ureju, Inorinetc). This groups came from the ijebu waterside area and Ode Omi + Ikale, Ilaje, Owo, Akure. Majority of the founding stock seem to have been Ilaje-Ikale.

Benin itself has always received a steady stream of migrants from the Yoruba hinterland throughout almost all of its history. Hence both languages converge in certain regards and words, as well as certain customs. There are towns in Edo like Usen that have Yoruba founders. And if towns deep in the heart of Delta north can have Proven Yoruba origin, I am sure there would be specific urhobo stocks with Yoruba foundation, or at least a heavy infusion of Yoruba and Itsekiri ancestry in their early origins as well.

Things like dressing style, use of extensive beading etc, has little or nothing to do with origin as they are both recent phenomena. Coral beads aren't even indigenous to Western Africa. Which would mean that before Europeans brought them in large quantities to trade barter with the Itsekiris and Benins, all these groups, Eastern and Coastal Yorubas, Benins, Itsekiris, Urhobos, Isokos all likely dressed in similar manner.
Even today, not all Yoruba groups use beading in the same volume The Owos are HEAVY on beading, while the oyos seem to be very light on beading. Its just a continuum of one ethnic group linking into another - given the large size and territorial range of the Yorubas, there is heavy variation. You will need to assume all of Yorubaland in one country to really get the full picture. Some groups of Yorubaland behave like dahomeans. in Dance, Music, Dressing etc.

I hope you get what all my ramblings are about sha.

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