Obama is a nominal Christian, not sure what that means , but he sure used to go to a church with family a while back.

For the 4 years of his presidency we have had bloodshed and large scale wars reduce by 65% and the focus shifting back to the economy and healthcare.

Obama's healthcare system might not be perfect , but it is a good start for the coverage of the less privileged in society. He seeks to protect immigrants and tries to alleviate the divide between black and white.

No successful terror attack has happened since his tenure.

His wife is the epitome of hardwork , a good and supportive wife and a role model to younger women no doubt.




Romney a Mormon, a High Priest in this cult where it is believed that SATAN and JESUS were brothers , a cult where blacks were cursed because of their skin color.

We have a hardworking man no doubt and a good wife , but he supports a strike on IRAN which could potentially plunge this world into irreversible doom.




WHO is best for America and who do you support for the elections in November , a High Priest of the Mormon Church OR the liberal Nominal Church goer , president incumbent.

Frosbel.


There remains a section of African Americans that are foolish enough to vote solely on the religion of the candidate. These are religious slaves. The smart ones look at policies.


If Obama came out today and said that he was an atheist, they wouldnt vote for him.



I dont vote by religion because I am not foolish.

Romney loses because of his lower tax rate, support of war in Iran and flip-flopping.

Logicboy03: Frosbel.
[b]There remains a section of African Americans that are foolish enough to vote solely on the religion of the candidate.[/b]These are religious slaves. The smart ones look at policies.

A significant amount of these dumb asses look at everything through the lens of the slave masters' religion.

lmao, you should see the so called "black spiritual leaders" and the ignorant biblical sh#t that comes out of their mouths.

Logicboy03: Frosbel.
Romney loses because of his lower tax rate, support of war in Iran and flip-flopping.

Don't know who I'm voting for yet, but I agree with Romney creducing tax rate(easier said than done)and I find Obama's contant talk about increasing the taxes on ony the "rich people" and pumping them into programs for the poor to be a tad bit socialist.

besides, Obama looked lost during the debate when regulations came up.

Martian:

Don't know who I'm voting for yet, but I agree with Romney creducing tax rate(easier said than done)and I find Obama's contant talk about increasing the taxes on ony the "rich people" and pumping them into programs for the poor to be a tad bit socialist.

besides, Obama looked lost during the debate when regulations came up.

Romney pays 14% tax. You as an average american pay 15-28%.



Obama had his facts right. Mitt Romney change his campaign stance druing the debate and was promising things that could not happen in reality

Martian:

A significant amount of these dumb asses look at everything through the lens of the slave masters' religion.

lmao, you should see the so called "black spiritual leaders" and the ignorant biblical sh#t that comes out of their mouths.

Agreed!

Eddie Long, Creflo Dollar and co.


Deceiving their black brethren

Martian:

Don't know who I'm voting for yet, but I agree with Romney creducing tax rate(easier said than done)and I find Obama's contant talk about increasing the taxes on ony the "rich people" and pumping them into programs for the poor to be a tad bit socialist.

besides, Obama looked lost during the debate when regulations came up.

So I guess you are among the rich who just want to protect their A.S.S-ets from proper taxation.

But take a good look at romney. This guy is sooooooo fake. He lacks a personality.
on any given day, he just says whatever needs to be said.
He has no idea how he is going to fix any problem. He just badly wants to be president. Look at all the neocons that have encircled him.
Its gonna be deja vu all over again.
More wars, more hostilities and more infringements on the basic democratic freedoms.
Just look at his voodoo economics.
They make absolutely no sense.

Logicboy03:
Romney pays 14% tax. You as an average american pay 15-28%.
Obama had his facts right. Mitt Romney change his campaign stance druing the debate and was promising things that could not happen in reality

Romney pays 14% because that's what he owed. He gets his income from Long Term Capital Gains that are taxed at a maximum rate of 15 percent. It's not his fault that he doesn't get his income on a hourly basis and work a job that uses his Marginal tax rate................you have to know more about taxes to understand the peculiarities.

Politicians have been changing their stances since the first politician learned how to campaign and they all promise things they will never do. so to me, it's really about the perseon who I feel know more about economics and the proper role of government.

Martian:

Romney pays 14% because that's what he owed. He gets his income from Long Term Capital Gains that are taxed at a maximum rate of 15 percent. It's not his fault that he doesn't get his income on a hourly basis and work a job that uses his Marginal tax rate................you have to know more about taxes to understand the peculiarities.

Politicians have been changing their stances since the first politician learned how to campaign and they all promise things they will never do. so to me, it's really about the perseon who I feel know more about economics and the proper role of government.

Bros,

Romney pays 14% rather than 28% and above because he has enough tax loopholes or credits to reduce his taxable income.

Logicboy03:


Bros,

Romney pays 14% rather than 28% and above because he has enough tax loopholes or credits to reduce his taxable income.

And right after the elections, he would use the loopholes for further deductions to effectively reduce his tax rate to below the 14%.

Logicboy03:
Bros,
Romney pays 14% rather than 28% and above because he has enough tax loopholes or credits to reduce his taxable income.

plaetton:
And right after the elections, he would use the loopholes for further deductions to effectively reduce his tax rate to below the 14%.

No.............Look,

There is the Marginal Tax Rates (MTR), the average tax rate, and the effective tax rate.

The MTRs are 10%, 15%, 25%,28%, and 35%. As your income increases your marginal tax rate increases. eg if you make 15000, the first 8500 will be taxed at 10% and the rest at 15%.

The average tax rate is just your tax bill divided by your taxable income. Just statistical crap.

The effective tax rate (romney's 14%) is the total tax you pay divided by your total income( not taxable income, because some things are exempt and the deductions also reduce income to be taxed). Just for statistics.

The so called "loopholes" are available to everyone and they are nothing but deductions for medical expenses, interest, investment,charity, theft and losses. The "loopholes" helps reduce everyone's taxable income and for those who don't have loopholes to use, they get a standard deduction.

Taxes are also used to stimulate the economyand one of those ways is to keep a low rate on returns on long term investments. This tax rate is only 15 percent and since Romney is rich, he can afford to invest like that and pay only 15% ..................like every rational human with that kind of money would. Also, short term investments are taxed at the MTRs so he could have paid as high as 35% on some of his income.

Tax credits are dollar for dollar reductions in your tax bill and they are aslo available for everyone..........Anyway, this is just a simple and incomplete explanantion of the tax code but it shows that Romeny isn't doing anything wrong. He just has good accountants. lol

Martian:


No.............Look,

There is the Marginal Tax Rates (MTR), the average tax rate, and the effective tax rate.

The MTRs are 10%, 15%, 25%,28%, and 35%. As your income increases your marginal tax rate increases. eg if you make 15000, the first 8500 will be taxed at 10% and the rest at 15%.

The average tax rate is just your tax bill divided by your taxable income. Just statistical crap.

The effective tax rate (romney's 14%) is the total tax you pay divided by your total income( not taxable income, because some things are exempt and the deductions also reduce income to be taxed). Just for statistics.

The so called "loopholes" are available to everyone and they are nothing but deductions for medical expenses, interest, investment,charity, theft and losses. The "loopholes" helps reduce everyone's taxable income and for those who don't have loopholes to use, they get a standard deduction.

Taxes are also used to stimulate the economyand one of those ways is to keep a low rate on returns on long term investments. This tax rate is only 15 percent and since Romney is rich, he can afford to invest like that and pay only 15% ..................like every rational human with that kind of money would. Also, short term investments are taxed at the MTRs so he could have paid as high as 35% on some of his income.

Tax credits are dollar for dollar reductions in your tax bill and they are aslo available for everyone..........Anyway, this is just a simple and incomplete explanantion of the tax code but it shows that Romeny isn't doing anything wrong. He just has good accountants. lol

We know he is not doing anything wrong , except ofcourse for his offshore shananigans, which, as a presidential candidate, he has failed to own up to.
People who move their wealth offshore are ones who do not want to pay commensurate taxes in their domains.
They are tax dodgers.

plaetton:
We know he is not doing anything wrong , except ofcourse for his offshore shananigans, which, as a presidential candidate, he has failed to own up to.
People who move their wealth offshore are ones who do not want to pay commensurate taxes in their domains.
They are tax dodgers.

What offshore shenanigans? Lets bring facts to the table instead of emotions.
One question though Plae, if you were worth $250m, and you could bank some money off shore to take advantage of the tax laws over there, would you do it? Keep in mind that you are not breaking any laws of your Land by doing this.

Martian:

What offshore shenanigans? Lets bring facts to the table instead of emotions.
One question though Plae, if you were worth $250m, and you could bank some money off shore to take advantage of the tax laws over there, would you do it? Keep in mind that you are not breaking any laws of your Land by doing this.

Agree. I would do the same because no laws are broken. But...., and this is a big but, by so doing, i would be depriving my country of tax revenue, one necessary for development and maintaining the services that we take for granted. If every millionaire does it, then only the working middle class would shoulder burden of bankrolling the government, the nation.
So even though it is legal, even smart, it is grossly unpatriotic, more so for an individual who wants to run the development agenda of the government and nation.
It is a contradiction to deny your nation of needed tax revenue by stashing your wealth in another nation, then come back and ask the tax payers of your country to elect you president.
Obviously his personal financial interests trumps that of the nation he wants to lead.

plaetton:
Agree. I would do the same because no laws are broken. But...., and this is a big but, by so doing, i would be depriving my country of tax revenue, one necessary for development and maintaining the services that we take for granted. If every millionaire does it, then only the working middle class would shoulder burden of bankrolling the government, the nation.
So even though it is legal, even smart, it is grossly unpatriotic, more so for an individual who wants to run the development agenda of the government and nation.
It is a contradiction to deny your nation of needed tax revenue by stashing your wealth in another nation, then come back and ask the tax payers of your country to elect you president.
Obviously his personal financial interests trumps that of the nation he wants to lead.

.

He is not denying the US any tax revenue. I'm not saying he is clean, but he is no more a tax cheat than any other american. If he invests in a particular geographical area apart from the U.S, he has the right to store his money there as long as the IRS is aware of his dealings. he is not evading taxes in the U.S and moving the money to offshore accounts, is he? If he isn't, then what's the problem?

I think some regressive taxes should be made progressive and be applied to people in Romney's tax bracket but there is nothing wrong with him putting his money where he wants and using whatever the law allows to reduce his tax burden.

Martian: .

He is not denying the US any tax revenue. I'm not saying he is clean, but he is no more a tax cheat than any other american. If he invests in a particular geographical area apart from the U.S, he has the right to store his money there as long as the IRS is aware of his dealings. he is not evading taxes in the U.S and moving the money to offshore accounts, is he? If he isn't, then what's the problem?

I think some regressive taxes should be made progressive and be applied to people in Romney's tax bracket but there is nothing wrong with him putting his money where he wants and using whatever the law allows to reduce his tax burden.

I dont know if you are aware that Glaxo SmithKline(GSK) and other multinationals were recently investigated and fined by Britain for using tax heavens in leichenstien to set up phony companies solely for the purpose of juggling funds in order to avoid paying over a billion dollars in taxes.
Although their actions were legit under the law, their sole intent was to avoid paying taxes that were due to the Uk government.
Romney, like others in his tax bracket, set up phony companies with an address and no staff, and pass them off as investments.

They move funds here to call it a loss, and then they move same funds over there and call it a profit.
Like I said, even though its legal and even financially prudent, it is still a bet against one's country.

No one who engages in such financial shananigans should contemplate running for , not to mention being rewarded with the presidency of the same country against which he has been betting.

plaetton:

Agree. I would do the same because no laws are broken. But...., and this is a big but, by so doing, i would be depriving my country of tax revenue, one necessary for development and maintaining the services that we take for granted. If every millionaire does it, then only the working middle class would shoulder burden of bankrolling the government, the nation.
So even though it is legal, even smart, it is grossly unpatriotic, more so for an individual who wants to run the development agenda of the government and nation.
It is a contradiction to deny your nation of needed tax revenue by stashing your wealth in another nation, then come back and ask the tax payers of your country to elect you president.
Obviously his personal financial interests trumps that of the nation he wants to lead.

hmmm!

Plaeton!

^^^ Good one.

truthislight:

hmmm!

Plaeton!

^^^ Good one.

Seconded.

frosbel this religious opium dey shak yu well well o!

bigmaut: frosbel this religious opium dey shak yu well well o!

what else should we be discussing on a religious forum