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Should A Poem Mean? Or Just Be? by Nobody: 3:20pm On Jan 22, 2008 |
Hi y'all, Have u ever read a poem and found yourself wondering "WHAT DA HECK WAS DAT??" ?? i tot so! Its people like Archibald McLeish who say ", a poem should not mean but be" we should blame for that! I write poetry and I feel everything worthy of the name POEM, should mean something of worth - - u know, not just beatiful nonsense! what say ye? ****just got my collection of poetry published by Raider Pub. Int'l NY, USA, it should be available in Nigeria soon. You can check it out online or order from Amazon by hitting this link http://www.amazon.com/Constellations-Thought-Jon-Adoga/dp/1934360538/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200987874&sr=1-1 |
Re: Should A Poem Mean? Or Just Be? by doyin13(m): 3:47pm On Jan 22, 2008 |
It is those poems that simply want to be that have alienated me from the genre so far. But I still persevere. I am constructing one at the moment. Is construction the right word |
Re: Should A Poem Mean? Or Just Be? by Nobody: 4:51pm On Jan 22, 2008 |
Doyin, I'm glad u weren't alienated for too long! howz construction work doin on ur site!?? just messin with you! I dont see anything wrong with the word in that context, I wrote this in protest to the school of the "let the poem just be" , [center]If thy soul be of the wild and heavy And your lips on fire with beauty Take my brace child and hold steady Here we chant not oft of our wrath Near lain though to the jar broken There; alas, a painter, a preacher and law But sir if all that thy soul wishes Borders not nigh to the broken pieces And that these mean not, but just be; Hang me now on Ars Poetica’s tree! [/center] |
Re: Should A Poem Mean? Or Just Be? by zawrita: 6:23pm On Jan 26, 2008 |
UNLIKE OTHER GENRES ,POETRY MUST BE AND ALSO MEAN. A NEW REFRESHING FEELING OF REVERIE SHOULD SEIZE THE READER OF A GOOD POEM, HE SHOULD EXPERIENCE THE GREAT FUSION OF HIS SOUL, MIND AND SPIRIT IN THEIR QUEST TO DECIPHER THE MEANING OF THE POEM. I DO NOT SUSCRIBE TO ABSTRACT RUBBISH BUT ALSO A GOOD POEM SHOULD DAZZLE THE MIND OF THE READER AND LINGER IN HIS MIND FOR LONG. THE POEM MAY USE SIMPLE WORDS BUT IMAGES AND SYMBOLS SHOULD BE ATLEAST CAPTIVATING. Adogas poem has beuty and rhyme . HAVE A BIT OF MINE. WEB OF LOVE (For sa’adat) Didn’t the poet Wear the sights of saints To see beyond the face of the sun? Didn’t the poet Don the garb of mourning To dance the kiss of death? Didn’t the poet Gulp the drink of madness And sing the Song of Songs? All, for the poetess’s sake? Is that why He Swaggered Staggered Tumbled Rumbled And crashed Into the wilderness as dust of dusk? Could it equally be why? He was slapped Smashed Chained And hanged Across the seven stakes in the WEB OF LOVE? |
Re: Should A Poem Mean? Or Just Be? by Nobody: 9:20am On Jan 28, 2008 |
Way to go Zawrita! that rocks! if u go on writing stuff like this u might be on ur way to the Nobel prize! (ok maybe i'm just psychin' u, lol) the thing u said about "dazzling" the mind of a reader, I'd say that's the difference between good poetry and regular prose, with poetry there's some room for "beautiful nonsense" while tryin' to convey a message, |
Re: Should A Poem Mean? Or Just Be? by herk072179(m): 7:05pm On Jan 29, 2008 |
I'm all for meanin in poetry. It was the being that scared me away from it in Secondary School But sometimes it can be fun as a writer to hide or twist ur meanin I'm attachin 1 of mine it's called Song of a Drunkard It's quite long mind U
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Re: Should A Poem Mean? Or Just Be? by Nobody: 6:32pm On Feb 22, 2008 |
dude, e be like say u dey shack well well, lol, not bad I'd say |
Re: Should A Poem Mean? Or Just Be? by doyin13(m): 7:21pm On Feb 22, 2008 |
@zawrita great poem mischievous- - - - -I really like |
Re: Should A Poem Mean? Or Just Be? by herk072179(m): 8:06pm On Mar 01, 2008 |
Thanks a lot Jon Adoga & no , i no dey shack weeel, weeel? i was just tryin to fit meself into a drunk's mind & know what he thinks |
Re: Should A Poem Mean? Or Just Be? by herk072179(m): 8:19pm On Mar 01, 2008 |
Check dis out, I call it 'Not Good Enough I have a confession About my profession I'm not a poet I've nothing to show for it I'd rhyme a word or two But I'd get u bored or pooped So let me shut my yap And wish u were closer on this map So the two of us could rap Hey! Don't u just like word play Till u come my way What can i say But have a nice day! |
Re: Should A Poem Mean? Or Just Be? by ppanther(m): 8:58am On Mar 08, 2008 |
Got to Be Mean Remember the days When we were young and green When we had to be told What every poem should mean. Trees could never be trees; Had to be similes And every clause Had its own metaphors. Then we grew up And discovered hip-hop Everything had to rhyme Every day, every time. In the beginning Most of us ignored the meaning 'Cause flow was the only way We had to go. Now it's full circle again; The battle of heart and brain The verse versus the refrain. Should poems be or mean? What could a poem ever mean If it's never been? Copyright 2008 Winston C. Ikekeonwu |
Re: Should A Poem Mean? Or Just Be? by BTT(m): 7:13pm On Mar 31, 2008 |
Hi y'all |
Re: Should A Poem Mean? Or Just Be? by Neoteny(m): 5:21pm On Apr 01, 2008 |
poems can just be, and still mean just by being. one classic " hauling your head this way and that way as you clung to the sun to the last shred of the exploded dawn -in your fist That Monday (hughes, Night ride on Ariel) And I Am the Arrow the dew that flies suicidal at one with the ride into the red -Eye, the cauldron of dawn" (sylvia platt, Ariel) these are actually 2 poems by the estranged couple. it doesnt seem to mean anything, but by being, it means a lot after sylvia platt died. "dew that flies suicidal". brilliant. |
Re: Should A Poem Mean? Or Just Be? by BTT(m): 6:21pm On Apr 02, 2008 |
Till Nature calls us all up, the issue of the essence of poetry will continue to flog academic literature. While I would do my best not to be academic at all, i strongly believe that the holistic concept of "art for art sake" is substantial. Many a persons want to create an art solely for the sake of creating an art. a good example is wen u create for a competition, . . . Expression in any case, remains the main index of poetry. Therefore, that is the MEANING. As long as the writer has made an expression, it IS, so, it MEANS. On the other hand, a poem might just be for a particular purpose; The poet takes into account the rules of the game and ensures his work fulfils all righteousness to have an "acceptable'' meaning. Obviously because society is govern by a set of norms, fulfilling such norms usually attracts credence, and vice-versa. This is the crux of avant guardist artists. . . Shortly, the sociology of literature remains that every aspect of society is mirrored in literature. Thus, nothingness is a meaning in itself. . . So, let your poem BE. Create it. Leave the critique and the headache to the critics. That is the only way they can comfortably remain in business! Don't worry, they will help you give it a MEANING. @ POSTER I've some works I wish to publish, can you link me with your Archibald Mcleish. +234 01-2195050 or +2348060641635, or bttmonarchs@yahoo.com. Ciao. |
Re: Should A Poem Mean? Or Just Be? by Nobody: 7:02pm On Apr 02, 2008 |
@ BTT just beautiful - ", nothingness is a meaning in itself. . ." dat's just wonderful I don't have any links to Mcleish - I just came across his writing and wasn't sooooo pleased. So many writers in the past had written on Ars poetica, but his just went down the wrong way. anyways, I was (self) published by Raider Int'l (NY USA), u can hit me for details. @ Topic (hey, it's my topic, lol)this discourse is on, still on, TO BE OR TO MEAN?!?! thanx y'all |
Re: Should A Poem Mean? Or Just Be? by Neoteny(m): 12:50pm On Apr 03, 2008 |
To Be or Not To Be, that is the question, |
Re: Should A Poem Mean? Or Just Be? by jesusfreak(f): 1:02pm On Apr 03, 2008 |
sometiimes i hate complex poetry but i love it when ppple play on words too, does that count? i wrote ds piece recently and i think its deep though not my everyday style Lying hearts So it is true That when men stoop Their heads can touch their scrotums What wisdom exists In the roundness of a fat fool’s belly Cannot compare with that of a child His belly is big and round, yes Like a fura da nunu pot Yes instead of milk There are green algae Decomposing slowly like a chameleon’s carcass The same big bellies unite both beings So it is true That when a man looks beyond his nose He sees his forehead Even clowns dance in a king’s courtyard Only when he wants to forget the enemies at his gates So who fools who? The jester who dances for the king’s money Or the king who laughs in the face of war So it is true That when women go to war Their breast milk turns sour Women who dance like soldiers And chant the songs of freedom Only do so for their children The ones who know them not The ones who call other women “mother” When they come home With the spoils of war So u hail their victory Or hiss in shame? What do we know? |
Re: Should A Poem Mean? Or Just Be? by uzygirl(f): 12:50am On Apr 04, 2008 |
Well, methinks you all are really gifted, but poetry should always makes sense, else it's just ramblings |
Re: Should A Poem Mean? Or Just Be? by BTT(m): 11:50am On Apr 08, 2008 |
@ Jesussfreak Brilliant poetry; great philosophy. Pls keep it up. @JonAdoga Hit me up pls. Sms 08060641635 for my email. |
Re: Should A Poem Mean? Or Just Be? by richness(m): 3:43pm On Apr 23, 2008 |
I believe a poem cannot just be cos every poetry has an essence or meaning, or seek to at least communicate behind it. so the question whether you understand the meaning or the communication was done. again bear in mind that poetry is a means of expression of oneself and i may not wish to communicate it to anyone. so the most important thing is that the person writing the poem expresses himself and not that another person understand check out www.xclusivideas..com |
Re: Should A Poem Mean? Or Just Be? by Cayon(f): 1:58am On Apr 24, 2008 |
I like!!! Your poem is very much about the reality of things. Nice ppanther: |
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