To them who hear so much to fear..Even to the brave; Fits of Doubts, To the weak; Quakes of Agony. He that hath such name let him be herald...Logicboy come and answer to the plea of the unlearned to indeed see the secret of thy logic..

This can be fun.

Rules: Lets keep it clean and to the point, No Fighting Please Lets Discuss 'Atheism' Let me keep start it by asking you
to 1. Define Atheism in your own
words 2. Why and How are you
convinced there is no god?

mkmyers45: Rules: Lets keep it clean and to the point, No Fighting Please Lets Discuss 'Atheism' Let me keep start it by asking you
to 1. Define Atheism in your own
words 2. Why and How are you
convinced there is no god?

1) Atheism; the disbelief in God due to the lack of evidence for him




2) I first lost my belief in God (the christian god) through slavery which I will go into further. However, the main reason for the non-existence of god is the lack of evidence for him. Furthermore, the religions I know all have paradoxical and self-refuting gods. They claim that god is omnipotent (but can he make a rock that he can not move?) god is omniscient (why would such a god test people's faith?) etc.

Logicboy03:


1) Atheism; the disbelief in God due to the lack of evidence for him




2) I first lost my belief in God (the christian god) through slavery which I will go into further. However, the main reason for the non-existence of god is the lack of evidence for him. Furthermore, the religions I know all have paradoxical and self-refuting gods. They claim that god is omnipotent (but can he make a rock that he can not move?) god is omniscient (why would such a god test people's faith?) etc.

How many religions/gods did you study to arrive at your unbelief?

Let the fun begin!

mkmyers45: How many religions/gods did you study to arrive at your unbelief?

Christianity, Judaism, Islam my local pagan religion.

Beyond that, I simply ask any other religion to bring evidence for their god and I will believe.

Logicboy03:

Christianity, Judaism, Islam my local pagan religion.

Beyond that, I simply ask any other religion to bring evidence for their god and I will believe.

What is evidence to you,what can you say to be the Strongest argurment for atheism and Why has you search for the truth stopped?

mkmyers45: What is evidence to you,what can you say to be the Strongest argurment for atheism and Why has you search for the truth stopped?

Evidence is material or at least, a logical conclusion from material evidence.


The strongest argument for atheism is a simple one, there is no evidence for god. The religious people have failed to bring evidence for god. If there was undeniable evidence someone would have won the nobel prize by now for proving god when no one has done so in thousands of years.


The burden of proof is on the claimant. You believe in god? The define god and bring your evidence for him. Most christians fail in even having a consistent definition of god, talk less of bringing the evidence

Knight of Logic

Is this some kind of Joke ?

Logicboy03:


Evidence is material or at least, a logical conclusion from material evidence.


The strongest argument for atheism is a simple one, there is no evidence for god. The religious people have failed to bring evidence for god. If there was undeniable evidence someone would have won the nobel prize by now for proving god when no one has done so in thousands of years.


The burden of proof is on the claimant. You believe in god? The define god and bring your evidence for him. Most christians fail in even having a consistent definition of god, talk less of bringing the evidence

Why has you search for the truth stopped and why then do you seek Universal atheism? From a logical point of view explain the laws governing the universe?

frosbel: Knight of Logic

Is this some kind of Joke ?

Yes it is, One too noble for you to catch..

hmmmm.... Atheism, some take offence when you tell them you are one.. Some even start looking down on you as a "lost" soul contrary to popular belief that atheists do this to the theists. For me, Atheism is the disbelief in the existence of a deity of any form or shape

I guess most of us are actually just agnostics at heart since no one can actually prove the non-existence of a deity of any form. However, I am convinced that our concept of god is flawed in so many ways beyond doubt to allow me the conclusion that no one group has the exclusivity to "salvation". Since they all claim it, they must all be wrong! simple logic

I am not convinced there is NO "god" to be honest, but I am 100.1% sure Abraham's god isn't real. Also, if any deity exists I can put my foot down and say he has no influence whatsoever on our planet. Religion is only a poor attempt by desert dwelling ancient minds to comprehend the world they lived in.
I reach this conclusion by merely looking at the history of this god/gods and how he/they came about. The information is available for anyone interested to do some research. It is appalling that majority of Christians and Muslims alike have no idea how their religion came about or how it started. For the Jews, I can pardon them because Judaism is more of a culture than a religion to them hence everyone else has no excuse to be ignorant.


That's my fundamental reason for disbelief in a "god". My idea is simple.. if the foundation isn't real, then everything else about it is hogwash.
Put that aside and I can come up with loads of reasons why i don't believe in god

mkmyers45: Why has you search for the truth stopped and why then do you seek Universal atheism? From a logical point of view explain the laws governing the universe?

How has my search for truth stopped? Ask better questions!

what do you mean by laws governing the universe?

mkmyers45: To them who hear so much to fear..Even to the brave; Fits of Doubts, To the weak; Quakes of Agony. He that hath such name let him be herald...Logicboy come and answer to the plea of the unlearned to indeed see the secret of thy logic..

Reyginus: This can be fun.

you dont say

frosbel: Knight of Logic

Is this some kind of Joke ?

pastormustwacc: Let the fun begin!

indeed let it

obadiah777:

Logicboy03:


How has my search for truth stopped? Ask better questions!

what do you mean by laws governing the universe?

Atheism is the absolute non-belief in all Deities isn't it? Then that means that to you no god exist at the moment innit? Then its only logical to conclude that you search is over..if you discontend this then indeed your non-belief is not total...I then go on to ask Is the mechanics of the universe random in nature?

Viewing from the side lines....would chip in a thing or two as the debate gets hotter.

mkmyers45: Atheism is the absolute non-belief in all Deities isn't it? Then that means that to you no god exist at the moment innit? Then its only logical to conclude that you search is over..if you discontend this then indeed your non-belief is not total...I then go on to ask Is the mechanics of the universe random in nature?

Atheism is based on the lack of evidence for a god. When there is evidence, I will change my belief. For you to claim that I am no longer looking for truth is quite foolish and insulting.


The universe has both order and randomness.

Logicboy03:


Atheism is based on the lack of evidence for a god. When there is evidence, I will change my belief. For you to claim that I am no longer looking for truth is quite foolish and insulting.


The universe has both order and randomness.

No its not insulting as there is indeed evidence for the existence of deities which the atheist chooses to reject based on certain factors..Kindly point out anything random in the universe.

mkmyers45: No its not insulting as there is indeed evidence for the existence of deities which the atheist chooses to reject based on certain factors..Kindly point out anything random in the universe.

There is no evidence for the supernatural. None.
Example of something random; the weather.

The atmosphere is a chaotic system and that is why weather prediction is not always accuarate. The weather is affected by so many variables.


Just like the flight of a butterfly

Logicboy03:


There is no evidence for the supernatural. None.
Example of something random; the weather.

The atmosphere is a chaotic system and that is why weather prediction is not always accuarate. The weather is affected by so many variables.


Just like the flight of a butterfly

The weather is not in anyway random...Factors affect is indeed what makes it orderly as for all we know Climate is stable but liable to change. Butterflies employ a variety of
aerodynamic mechanisms to
accomplish their graceful mid-
air maneuvers.

Logicboy03:


There is no evidence for the supernatural. None.
Example of something random; the weather.

The atmosphere is a chaotic system and that is why weather prediction is not always accuarate. The weather is affected by so many variables.


Just like the flight of a butterfly

Is Prophecy not an evidence for the supernatural?

NOSTRADAMUS QUATRAIN #2 - 24 Wildmen ferocious with anger,
crosssover rivers, Bestes farouches de faim fleuves
tranner, The greater part of the battlefield
will be against Hitler; Plus part du champ encontre Hister
sera; In armor of steel they will make
the great assault, En cage de fer le grand fera treisner, When the child of Germany will
heed no one. Quand rien enfant de Germain
observera.

I give you Nostradamus prediction of Hitler. How did nostradamus gain such knowledge?

mkmyers45: Is Prophecy not an evidence for the supernatural? I give you Nostradamus prediction of Hitler. How did nostradamus gain such knowledge?

What dirty prophecy is that? What did he prophesy?

That is nonsense rambling- there is no clear statement of events in that rant.


Nostradamus never even mentioned hitler. He mentioned "hister"

Logicboy03:


What dirty prophecy is that? What did he prophesy?

That is nonsense rambling- there is no clear statement of events in that rant.


Nostradamus never even mentioned hitler. He mentioned "hister"

You truly do not have the heart of a learner..anyway The
word "Hister" is a
combination of the two words "Hitler" and "Ister," thus providing both the name and place of origin of the infamous Nazi leader. The word "Ister" was the Latin name for the Danube River in Germany, upon whose banks Adolf Hitler was born.

mkmyers45: The weather is not in anyway random...Factors affect is indeed what makes it orderly as for all we know Climate is stable but liable to change. Butterflies employ a variety of
aerodynamic mechanisms to
accomplish their graceful mid-
air maneuvers.

Climate and weather are different terms.

Knowing how something works doesnt mean that it is not random. One can randomly select people from a group by spinning a bottle. You know the technique but it is still random.


Weather is affected by so many variables that can change over periods of time that weather forecasts are only slightly accurate. Hw many times has BBC predicted a rainy day and we got a cloudy day in london? Many times.

Logicboy03:



Climate and weather are different terms.

Knowing how something works doesnt mean that it is not random. One can randomly select people from a group by spinning a bottle. You know the technique but it is still random.


Weather is affected by so many variables that can change over periods of time that weather forecasts are only slightly accurate. Hw many times has BBC predicted a rainy day and we got a cloudy day in london? Many times.

Do you know that even if a single droplet of water falls that it has indeed rained?

mkmyers45: You truly do not have the heart of a learner..anyway The
word "Hister" is a
combination of the two words "Hitler" and "Ister," thus providing both the name and place of origin of the infamous Nazi leader. The word "Ister" was the Latin name for the Danube River in Germany, upon whose banks Adolf Hitler was born.

That is wishful thinking there bro. The source of many crazy conspiracy theories.


So, you decode what someone says with the biggest stretch of coincidences to make it a prophecy?


You now stretch it to believing that Hitler was born close to the banks of the river?

mkmyers45: Do you know that even if a single droplet of water falls that it has indeed rained?

Nonsense

Logicboy03:


Nonsense

What? A droplet of water from the cloud is what?