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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by gentleoyink: 2:51pm On Jan 03, 2013
I do not support the idea of registered association.

It will limit productivity and innovation. If it is formed, in no time, some people will want to make it look like a cult, they will put stringent measures to ensure that new guys find it difficult to join. In short, it will be like COREN and NSE at the end of the day.

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by zikclassiq(m): 2:52pm On Jan 03, 2013
This is what i do. I purchase a reseller hosting package, develop my own packages(basic, medium, advanced), attach free domain name 2d package, ofcourse u knw what kind of package suits ur client, once u let them know that u have what it takes to get their site online PLUS ur gud design prowess..guy u're gud 2 go.
Thats what i do o. Its not only the webdesign, but taking it online!
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by barackosama(m): 2:55pm On Jan 03, 2013
Gabriel_sylar: Let's recommend capital punishment for them....DEATH PENALTY SENATE WILL PUNISH THEM BY MAKING DEM write codes for 200 hours non stop till they die

Hahaha ....why cnt we do with Out Politics smiley
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by chiefkpokp(m): 2:57pm On Jan 03, 2013
*solid*:
Happy New Year peep.

In d past year, we all have witnessed how ridiculous amount charged by non professionals and newbies have had negative impact on us the professionals and the Website Design & Development Profession.

Personally on several occassions, I have been seen as a person who charge exorbitantly or "just to expensive" with clients siting exampls of other website designer who charge just 10-25k for a website (but we all know what they get at d end-frustration). This actually made me loose some jobs or in some cases, I've had to just consider and do jobs at give away price. But on a particular occassion, I literally walked away due to the clients manner of approach.

If we intend to have good stories to tell at the end of 2013, then, we all must agree to charge a basic/standard fee of not less than 50k for a 5 page website. Cos if we charge less, how much will your service charge be? I charge 20k for yearly hosting and domain name.

I believe we want to live above average life. Lemme hold it here for now.

That is your business, i recently did a job for 20k, and i gathered like 3 of the jobs which pays me 60k, u like stay there and wait for client that will pay your 100k, na u sabi, i don gooooooooooooo!!! Next?

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by barackosama(m): 2:57pm On Jan 03, 2013
Gabriel_sylar: Let's recommend capital punishment for them....DEATH PENALTY SENATE WILL PUNISH THEM BY MAKING DEM write codes for 200 hours non stop till they die

Hahaha ....why cnt we do withOut Politics smiley
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by Fhemmmy: 3:01pm On Jan 03, 2013
chiefkpokp:

That is your business, i recently did a job for 20k, and i gathered like 3 of the jobs which pays me 60k, u like stay there and wait for client that will pay your 100k, na u sabi, i don gooooooooooooo!!! Next?

Do you have a portfolio? if you do, i would love to see . . . You never can tell
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by Ycbgroup: 3:03pm On Jan 03, 2013
nice, instead of waiting for the big ones just make do with little ones and use it to build ur image...don't forget 'rome was nt built in a day
chiefkpokp:

That is your business, i recently did a job for 20k, and i gathered like 3 of the jobs which pays me 60k, u like stay there and wait for client that will pay your 100k, na u sabi, i don gooooooooooooo!!! Next?

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by udohzone(m): 3:17pm On Jan 03, 2013
Really don't know what this post is going to achieve or we just gonna be like the present government who's aim is to setup committee(s) every now and then to handle issues that require some sort of 'proactiveness'. All I can tell you is to MOVE with the time; get your marketing right and stop 'crying' over spill milk......

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by stagger: 3:17pm On Jan 03, 2013
*solid*:
Happy New Year peep.

In d past year, we all have witnessed how ridiculous amount charged by non professionals and newbies have had negative impact on us the professionals and the Website Design & Development Profession.

Personally on several occassions, I have been seen as a person who charge exorbitantly or "just to expensive" with clients siting exampls of other website designer who charge just 10-25k for a website (but we all know what they get at d end-frustration). This actually made me loose some jobs or in some cases, I've had to just consider and do jobs at give away price. But on a particular occassion, I literally walked away due to the clients manner of approach.

If we intend to have good stories to tell at the end of 2013, then, we all must agree to charge a basic/standard fee of not less than 50k for a 5 page website. Cos if we charge less, how much will your service charge be? I charge 20k for yearly hosting and domain name.

I believe we want to live above average life. Lemme hold it here for now.

My guy, it is like you do not know what Indian guys are charging.
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by Fhemmmy: 3:20pm On Jan 03, 2013
stagger:

My guy, it is like you do not know what Indian guys are charging.

That is a topic for another day!
If you know any or some of the Indian boyz, i beg i need couple . . . Lol
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by udohzone(m): 3:22pm On Jan 03, 2013
I checked out the portfolio of this http://www.afolsnetworks.com/portfolio.html and am sure you hand-coded it....lemme show you what wordpress did with small tweaking....www.ceecomsprojects.com (wow)......and like someone said....if you check out what indian/s are charging....and sure you wud visit your village very soon and remain there forever...... grin

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by fuke(m): 3:39pm On Jan 03, 2013
*solid*:
Happy New Year peep.

In d past year, we all have witnessed how ridiculous amount charged by non professionals and newbies have had negative impact on us the professionals and the Website Design & Development Profession.

Personally on several occassions, I have been seen as a person who charge exorbitantly or "just to expensive" with clients siting exampls of other website designer who charge just 10-25k for a website (but we all know what they get at d end-frustration). This actually made me loose some jobs or in some cases, I've had to just consider and do jobs at give away price. But on a particular occassion, I literally walked away due to the clients manner of approach.

If we intend to have good stories to tell at the end of 2013, then, we all must agree to charge a basic/standard fee of not less than 50k for a 5 page website. Cos if we charge less, how much will your service charge be? I charge 20k for yearly hosting and domain name.

I believe we want to live above average life. Lemme hold it here for now.


It is a free word.

You are charging 20k for hosting while some people
host for as little as #2500 pa with satisfactory service.

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by Wallie(m): 4:02pm On Jan 03, 2013
How much can you charge for your services? Whatever your market can bear but keep in mind that we now live in a global economy.

However, a standard 5 page website should not cost more than about $200 (NGN30k) because you can easily get a template online to modify for about $50 (NGN 8k). Better yet, you can get very talented freelancers to do the job for you for peanuts from websites like elance.com, odesk.com, etc.

There's absolutely no reason to be developing STANDARD sites from scratch! Get a template and modify it to your customer's spec. If you need templates, try templatemonsters.com, joomlart.com, rockettheme.com, gavick.com, etc.

Customization should be where you pitch your tent to earn significant money.

Find ways to work smarter and not harder so that you can be competitive in today's economy. I still find it hard to fathom why Nigerian programmers can't be competing for the same jobs as Indian programmers.

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by Nobody: 4:07pm On Jan 03, 2013
except you are not a member of consolidated webmasters association of nigeria, this idea is bullshyt. You got no right to impound any person so long he delivers. if he charges na who go pay go get contract with am.
A case of rich man dey jealous poorman coz him smart pass am.

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by onatisi(m): 4:15pm On Jan 03, 2013
it is all about marketing.even if u charge 1million or 1 naira and u dont market urelf noone will know u.i think a union is lazy man thinking of a way out of stiff competition.these so called professionals must put their ego and pride aside and face their marketing problems squarely instead of trying to create a union to push up their price .there is no way a union will work. and besides i think it is the customer that can differentiate a proffessional ho come these ppl are already calling themselves professionals.let ur customer decided whether u are or u arent

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by Nobody: 4:19pm On Jan 03, 2013
grin grin grin Monopoly is not a good thing..
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by hoodboy(m): 4:29pm On Jan 03, 2013
I believe it is all in how you present yourself. I do some graphic designing once in a while, and what I always tell my clients when I place a charge is "you can always find someone who will charge you cheaper than I have charged and also there are still people that are more expensive than I am, my only guarantee is to grant you satisfaction" at the end of the day, your client is Always gonna be your Client, and learn to stick your guns. Also try to be graphic in your presentation, it works like magic. But be careful so as they do not steal your presentation. Cheers
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by Abrantie: 4:30pm On Jan 03, 2013
"Website Designer" as a profession is so archaic. "Web Presence Consultant" sounds better.

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by acume: 4:31pm On Jan 03, 2013
databoy247:
I totally agree with you. But its gonna be difficult to implement.
Suggestion? Like i said in some post last two years, We need to set up a registered association, and compel all web developers to register with said association. This association or union is gonna serve as a regulatory body for web developers providing a fixed "minimum" charge for jobs. The general public is going to be aware of it. SO if you give your job to non-registered developer, na u sabi.

Its gonna promote professionalism and give web developers their long due respect in the society. Atleast street barbers do have a union how much more web developers.

My 2 cents.
I totally disagree with your view, my take on is let us stop exploitation, the guys that charge lesser amount are still making profit, lets not be greedy in doing our professional jobs.
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by Afam4eva(m): 4:36pm On Jan 03, 2013
In as much as i understand the OP's frustration, i don't think his suggestion is practicable especially since i'm not aware of any web design governing body. Even if there was, i don't think anyone has the right to determine the price for an intellectual property. The best they can do is to regulate the quality. When the quality is regulated, the number of designers who collect chicken feed from clients will reduce drastically because no one who knows his onions will do a website for a very cheap amount except the person is running a charitable organization. At the end of the day, it's left for the clients to decide how much they want to pay and they should be satisfied with the quality that comes with what they paid for. If you pay one naira, you'll get a one naira design and if you pay one million, you'll get a one million job. It's gonna take some time for Nigerian clients to be more informed about IT in general. That way, they can makee an informed decision when requesting for a web design.

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by Aafulenu(f): 4:37pm On Jan 03, 2013
you guys have forgotten that price most times are determined by mkt forces.
besides price can also be determined by the buyer

for example u have two clients-
one a financial institution that needs a 3 page static website (u knw they have a lot of money)

two, a poor village school who also want a 3 page static site.
will u charge them the same?

you have to charge according to ur clients.

again, as someone already said, with templates there is really no need of u coding from scratch. and again with cms like joomal and wordpress very soon more pple will start doing their basic/simple sites themselves
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by solutions247(m): 4:37pm On Jan 03, 2013
Wel said,wel read so far. The thing i kw i kan say is that everybdy does is whole tin in its own way meaning we al Got our 24hrz daily so it depends on u..
2ndly using template is not sumtin to b kaled for cos there exist sum kases where u dnt wnt this tin to fit lyk dis, wit ur own knowledge of Html/css you kan make d template work for you instead of using almost dsame patern n also deir IMAGES.
3rdly coding 4rm skratch mean creatin ur own template and its very good for beginners who actualy want to b able to solve problems when given an already made website
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by NET1(m): 4:50pm On Jan 03, 2013
The keyword here is 'MARKETING'. Although, I don't like what some developers are doing, I think the best way to beat them is to market ourselves better.

.NET
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by vicade(m): 5:01pm On Jan 03, 2013
Its a Global Village.I am a "middle man" web designer. I don't code but I get jobs. A chick in naija once charged me 50k to do the graphics design for a website job. At the end of the day an indian dude from a company I found online did the same job for 100 us dollars. Quality to me and the client was outstanding. Nowadays I use indians for most jobs I get cos they are more affordable for the quality that is required by clients.

Most nigerian developers I've met for another project have said an android application will cost between 500k-1 million naira. 3 indian companies quoted between 1000 and 2000 us dollars depending on the scope and requirements.

So as per the topic, Compete or Die;Natural Selection at its best.

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Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by Nobody: 5:48pm On Jan 03, 2013
chiefkpokp:

That is your business, i recently did a job for 20k, and i gathered like 3 of the jobs which pays me 60k, u like stay there and wait for client that will pay your 100k, na u sabi, i don gooooooooooooo!!! Next?

No offense but am pretty sure you still live with your parents eating free food and you don't pay rents for your home or office, you may not even have an office, if yes, for how long can you sustain this? The chances are if you charged those same people or client 40k each, they'll most likely still pay! All the OP is saying is don't be cheap. If I make 60k monthly, I'll go bankrupt!
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by Fhemmmy: 5:53pm On Jan 03, 2013
fewj:

No offense but am pretty sure you still live with your parents eating free food and you don't pay rents for your home or office, you may not even have an office, if yes, for how long can you sustain this? The chances are if you charged those same people or client 40k each, they'll most likely still pay! All the OP is saying is don't be cheap. If I make 60k monthly, I'll go bankrupt!

That MIGHT not be true, as a matter of fact, i think it all depends on how much it will cost you to start and end one project.
And ave noticed that some "companies" in Nigeria are just incuring some overhead that is not necessary, as a web developer, how much of office do one really need, and i have seen some that have secretary and yet they are just starting . . . but if the man that charges 20K Naira for a project, as long as he is able to do a good job, he will get more, and while the person waiting to be paid 40K is still waiting for one project, the man charging 20K MIGHT have been able to do like 3 or 4 projects.
It is not how big your office is, nor if you have your own apartment, but all in how best you could offer your service while being able to still do it right and be prudent as well
Just my one cent!
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by SisiKill1: 5:53pm On Jan 03, 2013
This has gotta be the crassest thread this year. What's you own with what other people do?

Truth is the problem is not with the web designers, it's with the clients....Nigerians always want something for little or nothing. Until we understand the concept of YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR, there will always be problems.

So instead of trying to dictate other people's behavior. . .why not keep doing your own stuff and do it well.

The work ought to speak for itself, yes? So what are you afraid of??!
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by Afam4eva(m): 5:54pm On Jan 03, 2013
Sisi_Kill: This has gotta be the crassest thread this year. What's you own with what other people do?

Truth is the problem is not with the web designers, it's with the clients....Nigerians always want something for little or nothing. Until Nigerians understand the concept of YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR, there will always be problems.

So instead of trying to dictate other people's behavior. . .why not keep doing your own stuff and do it well.

The work ought to speak for itself, yes? So what are you afraid of??!

Exactly.
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by abdulkayus(m): 6:02pm On Jan 03, 2013
Hmmm, am a computer engineerin graduate bt dont hav knowledge abt all dis web designin. Am think of goin for either web designin, architectural design or programmin. Pls Nlanders which did u ppl think is d best in terms of money oriented and gettin job.
As a computer engr graduate witout certification, hardly any ICT company will employ u.
CIAO
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by Nobody: 6:06pm On Jan 03, 2013
Fhemmmy:

That MIGHT not be true, as a matter of fact, i think it all depends on how much it will cost you to start and end one project.
And ave noticed that some "companies" in Nigeria are just incuring some overhead that is not necessary, as a web developer, how much of office do one really need, and i have seen some that have secretary and yet they are just starting . . . but if the man that charges 20K Naira for a project, as long as he is able to do a good job, he will get more, and while the person waiting to be paid 40K is still waiting for one project, the man charging 20K MIGHT have been able to do like 3 or 4 projects.
It is not how big your office is, nor if you have your own apartment, but all in how best you could offer your service while being able to still do it right and be prudent as well
Just my one cent!

It's good to see you used the word MIGHT and you placed it in capital letters, if web design is your full time Job, and you're into it for the long hull, you wouldn't charge 20k for websites. If you design a site for 20k, how do you support such a site/client. Clients that you cajoled with cheap prize would never really use such a site, the chances are after one year, domain and hosting is not renewed because such a site was never valued so it wasn't used, and so it didn't provide any benefit for the client and of course it was deemed as irrelevant or a waste.

I am not saying you must charge high prizes, am just saying you can make more money easily, like I said, the chances are that a person/client/organization paying 20k for a website if cajoled could also pay 40k. Seriously how much is a pair of shoes?
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by Nobody: 6:26pm On Jan 03, 2013
Lol
Not in naija
You can't tell me how to manage my business
Re: A Ban On 10-49K Website Design by ocheejemb: 6:52pm On Jan 03, 2013
Nice Topic.

I see where the OP is coming from about charlatans in the business charging peanuts and 'spoiling' business. However, i think it all depends.

As someone said you can't charge a village business the same as a financial institution. You should be looking at how to adapt your business model to make profit regardless of what the customer wants. If he wants a 20k site..give him a properly designed 20k minimal site, use templates and already existing platforms to minimise your development time, and have his site ready in as few days as possible, Chop and clean mouth. If you have 20 of such projects every month are you not laughing to the bank?

Any monkey with an internet connection can host a wordpress site for next to nothing these days if they so choose. With free themes and cheap hosting they can easily produce something very very good. Wordpress is ROBUST, way more robust than anything you can possibly handcode by yourself if you dont have a team of like 1000 coders, because it is open source. One principle of good software engineering is Reuse, there is no need to re-invent the wheel. If you must handcode something, invest that effort in tweaking an already existing feature, or designing you own theme, rather that doing stuff from scratch.

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