About our discussion, I find it extremely difficult to "counter" Scriptures. When a person presents a portion of the Bible as support for a particular viewpoint, I prefer to present other portions of Scripture, if any, that "appear" to contradict those ones. My reason is that if the person is truly after the Truth, they will get on their knees before the Lord and pray for Light in their understanding. That way, their encounter with the Truth will be a true inward and eternal experience unlike what arguing doggedly would've done. That does not mean that I consider argument a bad thing but that I'm certain arguing never brings anyone into the Truth. It does, however, test the persons involved as to how much of the Truth they have come into enabling those blessed with Humility to keep after the On-high calling.

I say all that to explain why I am reluctant to address the passages you have presesnted as you probably prefer that I do.